It bothers me how myth busters always use ballistics gel to compare to humans but never put anything that substitutes bone. Also to note, the head has very little muscle, lots of bone and a brain so this is highly inaccurate!
I've seen this test conducted on another program. Their results were the same with the same style scope (cheap, modern Chinese manufactured scope - tasco, bushnell, simmons, barska, etc.). When they moved to a period correct scope, (PU style scope on a 91/30) the bullet passed through due to the simpler design of the scope (less lenses)... As much as I like mythbusters, I have to say that the end result of this test is a "fail" due to their failure to consider using a period correct scope.
at 03:00 the Chinese guy says "in World War 2 the first snipers were used". That is not correct. In World War 1, there were lots of snipers on duty! Germany even had a machine gun sniper unit! And before that, snipers fought in the US civil war. Wikipedia tells that. So sorry Mr Wong you're wrong.
@prilstrudel One could even say that snipers existed thousands of years ago in the form of long distanced bows done by high skilled archers. Or they can also take it into context as in rifles with scopes.
they were using the wrong scope for the target. in the story the sniper Hathcock was going up against had a scope that had only one to two lenses, where as the scope they were using had closer to more or less six lenses in it.
Well, during the Vietnam war, snipers used .30-06 M2 rounds, which were armor piercing, steel cored projectiles due to an assumption that they offered better accuracy. This being filmed in CA, where those are illegal, the Mythbusters are undoubtedly using FMJ lead projectiles for their testing, which are far more apt to deform, and thus deflect against the internals of the scope.
I've watched another video about Carlos Halfcock. The reason they could not prove this myth is because the scopes they were using were not the same as the ones they used in the Vietnam war. The scope the Vietnam sniper had used less lenses which allowed the bullet to travel through
these guys bust themselves more often than not..they aren't very credible wrong gear (input data) and on this video? how about a billion in one shot..it's called luck and it happens now go try to bust that .
Nearly all the comments bellow have not realised the sniper scope myth has been revisited with different results Look to the right at the suggestions ._.
i think it was a russian pu scope that hathcock shot through if it wasnt it was an older more brittle glass for sure. also hathcock was the best(imho hes still the best*R.I.P.*) but the scientific method was thrown almost out the window in this episode. they didnt match the scope in question by a long shot...that was a crappy pun but you get what im saying
And Jamie, point black means "no holdover", so both the close range shot and the 100 yard shot are "point blank" range shots with that rifle/chambering. Depending on the zero and target size, the point blank range of your rifle is between 125 and 250 yards, give or take a bit.
What are they shooting with a different rifle than the one they got at the beginning, which is an exact replica of the vietnam-era 700 (the wood stocked one).
This was done and tested in real and in the film In The Snipers Crosshairs where you can see this american sniper shooting vietnamese sniper quoted Cobra through his scope. I believe this film will interest you if you are into sniping. Thumb up so everyone can see :)
the Myth Busters are "not" able to bust all Myths, I emailed them about 2 biggest and most common Myths in the world that they have not busted and got no reply from them, FAIL.
A shorter scope would increase the odds of success, but, I still think the shot would rely much on luck. I dont think it is a shot you could consistently make.
@TercYspot yep, if gonna prove a myth you gotta use EXACTLY what was used in the myth. they got alot of cool stuff in their programs, but theres a lot of stuff they never account for that would be key in determining success or failure.
scopes back in the day were not made as well as they are now and with thinner glass and some didnt have an adjustable parallax which would mean less matter for the round to go through and also if it was a fix power. i say find a old scope accurate to the date and use that.
as anybody who as studied parabolic arcs will tell you, the VC sniper would have had to have been staring into the sky for the bullet to have entered through the scope.
Gunny Hathcock actually used a Winchester Model 70 .30-06 with a Unertl scope when he was in the bush. When he was in his perch on the mountain top guarding the perimeter he used a Browning M2 .50 cal. He devised a way of mounting his scope on the M2 and because the cyclic rate of the M2 was slow enough, he fired it single shot.
Besides the caliber issue mentioned by 7come11two, this "myth bust" did not take into consideration what kind of scope the North Vietnamese sniper actually used. Mythbusters used modern scopes that are equipped with more and perhaps thicker glass elements. Sgt. Hathcock shot the NV sniper through a Russian-made 3.5x Mosin Nagant PU scope, which contains fewer elements.
i hate to tell em but there are way to many lenses in that scope the scope carlos norman hathcock shot through was a PU scope which only had 3 or 4 lenses in it which made it very possible to shoot through
@DTSephiroth Of course it can, the 50. cal sniper was designed to take out snipers, and vehicles ;-D in Denmark we use it to fx. clearing a minefield at a ssafe distance
@TheXBOXHAT MSR is an example modular sniper rifle you're telling me all the millions of gunsmiths and or collectors or highly knowledge gun owners are all wrong calling them sniper rifles and sniper system yeah no they don't call sniper rifles yep this is a scoped rifle sounds like something a call of duty child would say if it was meant for sniping it's a sniper rifle if it was NEVER made for that and you just added a sniper rifle then no it's all on what it was intentionally made for
You misunderstand. That is only a sniper rifle because it has 'Sniper Rifle' in the name. What I am referring to is any scoped weapon in general. Too many people would look at a rifle with a scope and say: "Hey look a sniper rifle" I admit that rifles such as the MSR and RSASS for that matter with 'Sniper Rifle' or 'Sniper System' can be considered sniper rifles, however that is only in name. If you want another opinion from where I am coming from, go to yahoo answers hunting section.
@TheXBOXHAT i guess marines experts gunsmiths are all retarded for calling a rifle intended for sniping or long range shooting a sniper i guess we should all now call it scoped rifle people who fire the m107 im guessing it's called a scoped rifle until a "anti material man" shoots it then that's when you can finally call it an anti material rifle
Okay now you're just being ridiculous. If it's intended use is for sniping then that means that a sniper will be using it therefore making it a sniper rifle. However all sniper rifles are scoped rifles unless they are without a scope.
@TheXBOXHAT and assault rifles are originally called that gas operated rifle that can shoot fully automatic until a assault rifle man shoots it by definition YES it's basically a high powered rifle that can destroy light armored vehicle from over a mile away but that's completely changed today
Assault Rifle definition: A shoulder fired rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and has the ability to use a selective fire mode.
Therefore the military M16A4 for example is an assault rifle. On the other hand the civilian AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or just rifle as it does not have built in selective fire modes.
A sniper rifle is a rifle that a sniper uses and a scoped rifle is any rifle with a scope.
@TheXBOXHAT exactly the m16a4 was built AS an assault rifle not "a rifle that has selective fire" they make SNIPER RIFLES for the military not oh it's that scoped rifle that's not considered a sniper rifle because the gunsmith is a retarded and decide to make it a sniper system and give it the name sniper rifle and every marine is a fuck tard because they call it a sniper rifle so if a "scoped rifle" is shot by an infantryman it's called an assault rifle
@TheXBOXHAT sniper rifle today's definition ( a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arm) but you're right you're the worlds smartest man every one is a retard
@TheXBOXHAT see im not saying you're wrong yes not EVERYTHING with a scope is a sniper rifle but not everything that has a scope is just a scoped rifle either
Didn't I tell you to stop being overly obsessive? And what's with the language, calm down. On the topic of Marines, I really couldn't care if they call it a sniper rifle, they're part of the military. However when it comes to us civilians I tend to become more strict on my opinions of sniper vs scoped. In a way I suppose that scope vs snipe could be similar to suppressor v silencer. Both are correct it is up to preference. If it's military then IDC, if it's civilian then it's scoped.
At 5.26 shows a soft point bullet!!! So it would never work anyway as the bullet would either fragment or distort anyway causing huge loss of energy in an instant.
That guy at the range needs to brush up on his history of snipers . ww1 was the first time snipers where used not in ww2 by the Americans fucking noob. They where Scottish game keepers recruited by the British forces . They where called ghillies or "servant" in Celtic.
in WWII it was the 1903 Springfield with some modifications and in Vietnam it started with the combination of an M14 with a scope a Remington 700 then the military contracted Remington into designing the M24 which is still used today all of which are in .308 for Vietnam but 30 .06 in WWII
The reason that it happened in Vietnam is because the enemy sniper's scope was a fixed power, and that was basically a tube with a couple of lenses on either end.
Does anyone know just what kind of scope the Viet Cong were using? I know Marines were using an M40 with a Refield 3-9 Accurange scope but were the VC using the same or different?
they are too close, the bullet is going to fast, also the scope that Hatch shot through had less lenses. Also, what kind of ammo were they using, FMJ will take more abuse then hunting rounds. Besides, a confirmed Kill in this matter makes it NOT A MITH...DUHHH
they are using to new of scopes, they didnt have that kind of glass back then, they had some cheap glass and not a strong mag to them as well.. i think they need to re visit this.
At least that was the case when I was in the USMC. just a little "FYI". No matter what platform you utilize for the M2, it will always be the true definition of "Heavy Metal Rock & Roll"!!!! Ha ha
I agree with what you are saying, however, your slightly off on the weight of the M2. The M3 tripod you mentioned weighs almost 45 pounds by it's self alone. The M2 weighs approx 85 pounds. The barrel alone weighs approx 24 pounds. That's why it's considered a "crew served" weapon and normally attached to a heavy weapons platoon because it normally takes 3 people to carry the tripod, receiver group and two
Barrels. At least that was the case when I was in the USMC. just a little "F
Read the book about Gunny Hathcock, it's an awesome book. It's called "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills". It's not the only book on him but my favorite. He told a lot of the stories to the author first hand including the equipment he used.
Actually Gunny Hathcock used a Browning M2 .50 cal like you see mounted on tanks and humvees. He mounted a scope on it and fired it loaded with one round at a time. His Sniper rifle was actually a Winchester .30-06 with a Unertle scope.
@SgtTaz138 More on that Hathcock .50 cal: Hathcock pioneered the use of the M2 as a sniper weapon. It was more like long-range varmint shooting than traditional sniping. Mounted on an M3 tripod. A sniper has to be mobile and Hathcock, a master at the art, employed this combination from a fixed position with protecting troops. A firearm with a bulky profile that tips the scale at 42 lbs, not including tripod, scope, and ammunition is not made for dragging through the bush. Hence the .30-06...
I didn't hear them mention what kind of bullet was used in the test. This is the most important thing. If they're using soft point ammo, the bullet will flatten and fragment. Hathcock was using BALL ammo. FMJ. Boat tail Sierras to be exact. They won't fragment like soft points. Also, Hathcock was shooting a .30-06. I see these guys are using a short action, probably a .308, which is not as fast as the '06, The myth is not busted.
Simple how that man did a shot through the scope: He's a robot like the terminator being able to use a aimbot to aim correctly and through the scope to finish the other sniper off
Ya they used too modern of a scope to punch through, more len's in that thing. More to stop a bullet. Vietnam era scopes only had 2 or 3 len's. This was already proven plausable in the Miltary Channels show Snipers.
GySgt Hathcock used a self-designed .50 caliber sniper rifle for most of his long distance kills, and a Remington 700 series bolt action .308 for the rest. NVA and Viet Cong used Chinese or Russian derived rifles, and very large often WWII era design optics with fewer lenses and weaker glass. If they used a .30-06 chambered rifle in this mythbust the velocity would be lower and thus lessen the distance it'd travel on impact.
the debate on FMJ or non FMJ is a little ridiculous. They were most likely using FMJ rounds here. They were most likely using the same type in Vietnam. The only thing that would have made it easier to preserve the bullets flight path is if it were an AP bullet.
Well I think they messed up here. The Gy. Hatchcock shot was from a farther distance maybe 400 yards. At that distance the bullet itself no longer has the same velocity making it less likely to shatter upon impact. Under 200 yards a 7.62 bullet will most likely fragment upon impact. Therefore destroying what it hit first and what is directly behind that.
@notusmc67427 So the farther distance the slower the bullets moving. The slower the bullet the more likely it will stay intact. The more intact it stays the more likely it will travel the whole way down the metal scope. Even if it tumbles it will be more likely to tumble inside the metal scope. It`s like pushing a car with a small metal pole. If you hit the car at 50 mph it will impale the car. If you slowly push on the car it will move the car not destroy it.
@notusmc67427 not travelling down the scope like Gy. Hatchcock did with his bullet. Also this video calls a highly decorated US Marine a liar. I don`t appreciate that.
dude get over it. why in the hell do you all think that because a Serviceman is highly decorated or high ranked that he cant be a liar? do you know ho many NCO and officers are in leavenworth for commiting crimes? some for capital crimes.
I was in the military and we had plenty of "highly decorated" Nco's that were drunkards, wife beaters, thieves, and one e-6 raped his own step daughter.
so yeah, they called a marine a liar so what. marines have done worse.
@ILuVmYShReDStIcK so? what cod stuff? acog scopes have the same build as those old sniper scopes. they even used it to prove the myth in another program.
"so is it a good rifle"
"im goin 2 cock this gun and make u shit urself"
122333445551 21 minutes ago
It bothers me how myth busters always use ballistics gel to compare to humans but never put anything that substitutes bone. Also to note, the head has very little muscle, lots of bone and a brain so this is highly inaccurate!
kingkong8974 5 hours ago
why the hell where they using modern scopes?
tankoshinomi 1 day ago
I've seen this test conducted on another program. Their results were the same with the same style scope (cheap, modern Chinese manufactured scope - tasco, bushnell, simmons, barska, etc.). When they moved to a period correct scope, (PU style scope on a 91/30) the bullet passed through due to the simpler design of the scope (less lenses)... As much as I like mythbusters, I have to say that the end result of this test is a "fail" due to their failure to consider using a period correct scope.
mscmatt 1 day ago
@mscmatt yeah i think i saw that too, that vietnamese sniper named "cobra" by hathcock.
RiotFalls 1 day ago
use an old scope they had less lenses
cajb687 2 days ago
at 03:00 the Chinese guy says "in World War 2 the first snipers were used". That is not correct. In World War 1, there were lots of snipers on duty! Germany even had a machine gun sniper unit! And before that, snipers fought in the US civil war. Wikipedia tells that. So sorry Mr Wong you're wrong.
prilstrudel 2 days ago
@prilstrudel he just said that they were trained to aim at the glint, he never said the first snipers were used.
loadedClownZ 14 hours ago
@loadedClownZ
okay so I misunderstood him. honest mistake.
prilstrudel 12 hours ago
@prilstrudel One could even say that snipers existed thousands of years ago in the form of long distanced bows done by high skilled archers. Or they can also take it into context as in rifles with scopes.
kingkong8974 5 hours ago
Hm... or maybe the scope was made in China?
JustWickedSwede 3 days ago
they were using the wrong scope for the target. in the story the sniper Hathcock was going up against had a scope that had only one to two lenses, where as the scope they were using had closer to more or less six lenses in it.
ZipWizzard 3 days ago
you can shoot through a PU russian scope no problem.
matthewHizzle 3 days ago
Well, all I can say is, extremely lucky shot might make it.
Bastiest 6 days ago
Now try with a 50 cal :P
AirsoftBadBoy 6 days ago 2
It's not a myth when you know it can be achieved!
MrShockFish 1 week ago
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MrShockFish 1 week ago
I totally lolled at 1:50
cyberboi504 1 week ago
couldn't an anti materials rifle destroy that with ease? Though i do get we're testing on older rifles.
EvilBakaCat 1 week ago
use a baret that wil do!
AlmightyMacky 1 week ago
wow! they totally messed up the myth!! This is how it's suppose to have been done:
1. the enemy uses a Mosin Nagant
2. the enemy uses a PU scope which only has 2 lenses
3. the sniper using a .308 bolt action rifle (Carlos Hathcock)
With these out of the myth (maybe only one) this myth was busted but it was done and I have done it with 2 lenses at 50 yrds with my Mosin Nagant
jesse17ful 1 week ago
Well, during the Vietnam war, snipers used .30-06 M2 rounds, which were armor piercing, steel cored projectiles due to an assumption that they offered better accuracy. This being filmed in CA, where those are illegal, the Mythbusters are undoubtedly using FMJ lead projectiles for their testing, which are far more apt to deform, and thus deflect against the internals of the scope.
ChrisPenta 1 week ago
@ 1:48
Adam.. is everything OK?
CrazyTacky 1 week ago
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CrazyTacky 1 week ago
@MrDip02 your a fuck tard shut up the marines are awesome
ThEsNiPer117117 2 weeks ago
I've watched another video about Carlos Halfcock. The reason they could not prove this myth is because the scopes they were using were not the same as the ones they used in the Vietnam war. The scope the Vietnam sniper had used less lenses which allowed the bullet to travel through
DarkOfTheMark1 2 weeks ago 19
at 1:07 is he saying carlos half cock?
SuperIronsight 2 weeks ago
..and they make fleshlight with animal protein too.
kustomkarson 2 weeks ago
let me take a shot with my mosin and we'll see if it gets through
cameronfields681 2 weeks ago
these guys bust themselves more often than not..they aren't very credible wrong gear (input data) and on this video? how about a billion in one shot..it's called luck and it happens now go try to bust that .
ishredu 2 weeks ago
9:18 Hah "Camper"
thelinkinbacks 2 weeks ago
Pu scope is different to telescopic scope which has more lenses etc.
Ouija121085 3 weeks ago
i think that there are a million ways the bullet can hit the scope so....
moegreen91 3 weeks ago
Nearly all the comments bellow have not realised the sniper scope myth has been revisited with different results Look to the right at the suggestions ._.
SjKimber 3 weeks ago
i think it was a russian pu scope that hathcock shot through if it wasnt it was an older more brittle glass for sure. also hathcock was the best(imho hes still the best*R.I.P.*) but the scientific method was thrown almost out the window in this episode. they didnt match the scope in question by a long shot...that was a crappy pun but you get what im saying
bigtallguyzack 3 weeks ago
@bigtallguyzack Wouldn't a bullet just go through it anyway?
ambiguousrocket 3 weeks ago
omg why they shoot with a modern rifle? it wasn't needed to get the remington -.-
MisamHunnan 3 weeks ago
"Is that a good rifle?" IT'S A REMINGTON 700 WHAT DO YOU THINK!
greymanthe 4 weeks ago
Test it with a m99b
thorbpdk 4 weeks ago
Someones being watching Saving Private Ryan?
beatboxer688 4 weeks ago 45
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tobiaskiba 2 weeks ago
Very cool doing the Hathcock shot.
CSTactical1 1 month ago
And Jamie, point black means "no holdover", so both the close range shot and the 100 yard shot are "point blank" range shots with that rifle/chambering. Depending on the zero and target size, the point blank range of your rifle is between 125 and 250 yards, give or take a bit.
DrTadHusseinWinslow 1 month ago
What are they shooting with a different rifle than the one they got at the beginning, which is an exact replica of the vietnam-era 700 (the wood stocked one).
DrTadHusseinWinslow 1 month ago
This was done and tested in real and in the film In The Snipers Crosshairs where you can see this american sniper shooting vietnamese sniper quoted Cobra through his scope. I believe this film will interest you if you are into sniping. Thumb up so everyone can see :)
RikkuTanaka 1 month ago
No top comment? heres my chance!, shotgun.
pilozard 1 month ago
Search the "Tube" this shot has already been proven possible. By a REAL sniper. These DWEEBS should stick to cannons. SFBrains!!!!
UCanFTW4ever 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
the Myth Busters are "not" able to bust all Myths, I emailed them about 2 biggest and most common Myths in the world that they have not busted and got no reply from them, FAIL.
Shaynexxxx 1 month ago
here is your problem those scopes back then where smaller and not many lenses so you cant bust a myth if you don't use the right materials
brotherhoodlord 1 month ago
older scope would have had fewer lenses = less deflection
slickdog2100 1 month ago
A shorter scope would increase the odds of success, but, I still think the shot would rely much on luck. I dont think it is a shot you could consistently make.
WillBilly425 1 month ago
I think the scope might be a little to skinny, if it was like a 56mm it would probably work...
SnowBroProductions 1 month ago
Yeah the scope that was used in real life was 4 inches long
niceice2001 1 month ago
that myth is on saving private ryan in ww2 because the scope length is shorter in that time
MrMw22wm 1 month ago
this myth was already proven. It is in fact the scope that needs to be changed. The vietnam scopes used many less lenses than the current day ones.
BlackFeign 1 month ago
They didn't use the same scope that the Vietnamese sniper was using...
TercYspot 1 month ago
@TercYspot yep, if gonna prove a myth you gotta use EXACTLY what was used in the myth. they got alot of cool stuff in their programs, but theres a lot of stuff they never account for that would be key in determining success or failure.
ToeCutter454 1 month ago
Where's FPS Russia when you need him :D
RaInBoWaRaB 1 month ago
Does anyone know the name of the scope on the 7.62mm rifle that Adam was firing?. . .
USMCxSCTSNIPER 1 month ago
@USMCxSCTSNIPER m700
tonsiot1 1 month ago
I hoped for the classic mythbusters "Upp the antee" and go to .50 cal
Dustbin2008 1 month ago
1:50 slapping
outonam 1 month ago
scopes back in the day were not made as well as they are now and with thinner glass and some didnt have an adjustable parallax which would mean less matter for the round to go through and also if it was a fix power. i say find a old scope accurate to the date and use that.
150peacemaker 1 month ago
as anybody who as studied parabolic arcs will tell you, the VC sniper would have had to have been staring into the sky for the bullet to have entered through the scope.
snogs11 1 month ago
@SgtMustang375:
Gunny Hathcock actually used a Winchester Model 70 .30-06 with a Unertl scope when he was in the bush. When he was in his perch on the mountain top guarding the perimeter he used a Browning M2 .50 cal. He devised a way of mounting his scope on the M2 and because the cyclic rate of the M2 was slow enough, he fired it single shot.
SgtTaz138 1 month ago
They didn't have the same type of scopes in vietnam that they use in this video, they had like 3-4 glass lenses back then.
tobiaskiba 1 month ago
@tobiaskiba yea im suprised they didnt bring that up.
ballaviking689 1 month ago
Besides the caliber issue mentioned by 7come11two, this "myth bust" did not take into consideration what kind of scope the North Vietnamese sniper actually used. Mythbusters used modern scopes that are equipped with more and perhaps thicker glass elements. Sgt. Hathcock shot the NV sniper through a Russian-made 3.5x Mosin Nagant PU scope, which contains fewer elements.
unclemikey1358 1 month ago
lol 115.511 views xD
p00rtal 1 month ago
What episode is this
carstenwjensen 1 month ago
i hate to tell em but there are way to many lenses in that scope the scope carlos norman hathcock shot through was a PU scope which only had 3 or 4 lenses in it which made it very possible to shoot through
motohead129 1 month ago
I think 50 cal would get through. ;)
BlackBunik 1 month ago
@BlackBunik 50 cal would bust the engine block of an APC
DTSephiroth 1 month ago
@DTSephiroth
Yes that was the point. :P But I could also say that if they used RPG....
BlackBunik 1 month ago
@BlackBunik rofl, I'd love to see that.
DTSephiroth 1 month ago
@DTSephiroth Of course it can, the 50. cal sniper was designed to take out snipers, and vehicles ;-D in Denmark we use it to fx. clearing a minefield at a ssafe distance
carstenwjensen 1 month ago
hahaha he said penetrate... that's what she said
MrGlockfan45 1 month ago
It's only called a sniper rifle in the hands of a sniper. otherwise it's just a scoped rifle.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago 26
@TheXBOXHAT no it's not
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Oh really now? How about you explain yourself then.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT MSR is an example modular sniper rifle you're telling me all the millions of gunsmiths and or collectors or highly knowledge gun owners are all wrong calling them sniper rifles and sniper system yeah no they don't call sniper rifles yep this is a scoped rifle sounds like something a call of duty child would say if it was meant for sniping it's a sniper rifle if it was NEVER made for that and you just added a sniper rifle then no it's all on what it was intentionally made for
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
You misunderstand. That is only a sniper rifle because it has 'Sniper Rifle' in the name. What I am referring to is any scoped weapon in general. Too many people would look at a rifle with a scope and say: "Hey look a sniper rifle" I admit that rifles such as the MSR and RSASS for that matter with 'Sniper Rifle' or 'Sniper System' can be considered sniper rifles, however that is only in name. If you want another opinion from where I am coming from, go to yahoo answers hunting section.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT like i said it's called what it's intended for
MrDip02 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT i guess marines experts gunsmiths are all retarded for calling a rifle intended for sniping or long range shooting a sniper i guess we should all now call it scoped rifle people who fire the m107 im guessing it's called a scoped rifle until a "anti material man" shoots it then that's when you can finally call it an anti material rifle
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Okay now you're just being ridiculous. If it's intended use is for sniping then that means that a sniper will be using it therefore making it a sniper rifle. However all sniper rifles are scoped rifles unless they are without a scope.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT and assault rifles are originally called that gas operated rifle that can shoot fully automatic until a assault rifle man shoots it by definition YES it's basically a high powered rifle that can destroy light armored vehicle from over a mile away but that's completely changed today
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
You need to get over your obsessive behavior now.
Assault Rifle definition: A shoulder fired rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and has the ability to use a selective fire mode.
Therefore the military M16A4 for example is an assault rifle. On the other hand the civilian AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or just rifle as it does not have built in selective fire modes.
A sniper rifle is a rifle that a sniper uses and a scoped rifle is any rifle with a scope.
Now stop distracting me.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT exactly the m16a4 was built AS an assault rifle not "a rifle that has selective fire" they make SNIPER RIFLES for the military not oh it's that scoped rifle that's not considered a sniper rifle because the gunsmith is a retarded and decide to make it a sniper system and give it the name sniper rifle and every marine is a fuck tard because they call it a sniper rifle so if a "scoped rifle" is shot by an infantryman it's called an assault rifle
MrDip02 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT sniper rifle today's definition ( a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arm) but you're right you're the worlds smartest man every one is a retard
MrDip02 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT see im not saying you're wrong yes not EVERYTHING with a scope is a sniper rifle but not everything that has a scope is just a scoped rifle either
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02
Didn't I tell you to stop being overly obsessive? And what's with the language, calm down. On the topic of Marines, I really couldn't care if they call it a sniper rifle, they're part of the military. However when it comes to us civilians I tend to become more strict on my opinions of sniper vs scoped. In a way I suppose that scope vs snipe could be similar to suppressor v silencer. Both are correct it is up to preference. If it's military then IDC, if it's civilian then it's scoped.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@TheXBOXHAT I though a sniper was a profesional with scoped rifles.
ricardogriva 2 weeks ago
@TheXBOXHAT HOLY FUCKING DOGSHIT FINALY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS THAT
artura2011 2 weeks ago
I cant help but to think of how funny itd be if the dummy shot back at them xD
MyKuroo 1 month ago
Sniping's a good job, mate!
bobomborange 1 month ago
the scope hathcock shot had two lenses.
smosh1348 1 month ago
This is the true simulation.
mani1357mani 1 month ago
youtube.com/watch?v=9As6AMGifSY&feature=related
mani1357mani 1 month ago
carlos halfcock
rubberduck182 1 month ago
At 5.26 shows a soft point bullet!!! So it would never work anyway as the bullet would either fragment or distort anyway causing huge loss of energy in an instant.
porty500 1 month ago
That guy at the range needs to brush up on his history of snipers . ww1 was the first time snipers where used not in ww2 by the Americans fucking noob. They where Scottish game keepers recruited by the British forces . They where called ghillies or "servant" in Celtic.
bulletheed1970 1 month ago
the kill comfirmed that carlos H made had only 2 lens not multi what a fucking dumass.
amdz65 1 month ago
@amdz65 I don't know what they want to prove when they don't read some history!
mani1357mani 1 month ago
@amdz65 I always make that same point to people ,I think the "other " sniper was using a PU model scope.Simple and I believe Russian made.
fborrodnco 1 month ago
I would have used a L96A1 sniper for strength in the bullet. But even if it failed I still would have shot it.
lilkoolade 1 month ago
in WWII it was the 1903 Springfield with some modifications and in Vietnam it started with the combination of an M14 with a scope a Remington 700 then the military contracted Remington into designing the M24 which is still used today all of which are in .308 for Vietnam but 30 .06 in WWII
SgtMustang375 1 month ago
you would get some serious scope bite even if it did not go through
ELSWJS 1 month ago
The reason that it happened in Vietnam is because the enemy sniper's scope was a fixed power, and that was basically a tube with a couple of lenses on either end.
1 in a million shot... but do-able at that time.
TROOPERfarcry 1 month ago
well, the guy probably shot the enemie sniper in the scope, but the enemie got away and he thought he killed him. that's possible?
MrBloodyBat 1 month ago
what kind of rounds did snipers use in WWII and Vietnam?
brettawesome 1 month ago
@brettawesome .308 and WWII 30 .06
SgtMustang375 1 month ago
do you know what kind of rifle that was?
brettawesome 1 month ago
Does anyone know just what kind of scope the Viet Cong were using? I know Marines were using an M40 with a Refield 3-9 Accurange scope but were the VC using the same or different?
sniperwolf7 1 month ago
240p... we meet again...
panguins1337 1 month ago
wouldnt the impact of the bullet almost gash out his eye?
BaiXiongMao 1 month ago
@BaiXiongMao It would most likely gash out his eye yes.
polanddemon 1 month ago
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN :D
badman2812 1 month ago
@badman2812 Exactly! :)
zyronn 1 month ago
they are too close, the bullet is going to fast, also the scope that Hatch shot through had less lenses. Also, what kind of ammo were they using, FMJ will take more abuse then hunting rounds. Besides, a confirmed Kill in this matter makes it NOT A MITH...DUHHH
Bhartrampf 1 month ago
You need a so
Maxsurfing1129 1 month ago
AND he gets a black eye
suska16 1 month ago
they are using to new of scopes, they didnt have that kind of glass back then, they had some cheap glass and not a strong mag to them as well.. i think they need to re visit this.
scubadaveojr 1 month ago
They have probably watched "Saving private Ryan"
1orvar1 1 month ago
I would just aim for his head if he was pointing the gun at me. Maybe that is too sensible though.
thebluemantis 1 month ago
why didntthey by an replica or an original scope from that time as well didnt they had even weaker glass and less lenses?
CountryMaster16 2 months ago
I better shoot to his fore head ._. xD
MrRol1980 2 months ago
At least that was the case when I was in the USMC. just a little "FYI". No matter what platform you utilize for the M2, it will always be the true definition of "Heavy Metal Rock & Roll"!!!! Ha ha
SgtTaz138 2 months ago
@Egoguitar1
I agree with what you are saying, however, your slightly off on the weight of the M2. The M3 tripod you mentioned weighs almost 45 pounds by it's self alone. The M2 weighs approx 85 pounds. The barrel alone weighs approx 24 pounds. That's why it's considered a "crew served" weapon and normally attached to a heavy weapons platoon because it normally takes 3 people to carry the tripod, receiver group and two
Barrels. At least that was the case when I was in the USMC. just a little "F
SgtTaz138 2 months ago
Is there a reason that one dude wears a beret all the time?
tretrioeciii 2 months ago
Read the book about Gunny Hathcock, it's an awesome book. It's called "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills". It's not the only book on him but my favorite. He told a lot of the stories to the author first hand including the equipment he used.
SgtTaz138 2 months ago
@techcon87:
Actually Gunny Hathcock used a Browning M2 .50 cal like you see mounted on tanks and humvees. He mounted a scope on it and fired it loaded with one round at a time. His Sniper rifle was actually a Winchester .30-06 with a Unertle scope.
SgtTaz138 2 months ago
@SgtTaz138 very true, that guy was holding a short action.
MrDaajman 2 months ago
@SgtTaz138 More on that Hathcock .50 cal: Hathcock pioneered the use of the M2 as a sniper weapon. It was more like long-range varmint shooting than traditional sniping. Mounted on an M3 tripod. A sniper has to be mobile and Hathcock, a master at the art, employed this combination from a fixed position with protecting troops. A firearm with a bulky profile that tips the scale at 42 lbs, not including tripod, scope, and ammunition is not made for dragging through the bush. Hence the .30-06...
Egoguitar1 2 months ago
I didn't hear them mention what kind of bullet was used in the test. This is the most important thing. If they're using soft point ammo, the bullet will flatten and fragment. Hathcock was using BALL ammo. FMJ. Boat tail Sierras to be exact. They won't fragment like soft points. Also, Hathcock was shooting a .30-06. I see these guys are using a short action, probably a .308, which is not as fast as the '06, The myth is not busted.
7come11two 2 months ago 28
@7come11two
I completely agree with you.
TheXBOXHAT 1 month ago
@7come11two plus what about the scope used? the lens of the Viet-Kong's scope could have been constructed completely differently.
xMRxIR0NMIDGET 1 month ago
@7come11two orginal distance and elevation wasnt mentioned nor was the scope used by the enemy sniper.
McOrca09 1 month ago
if carlos hathcock said it happened IT HAPPENED.
straydogg13 2 months ago 9
happy campers
UndeadKIRA 2 months ago
Let them try it with .50 BMG :)
MrJigssaw1989 2 months ago
@MrJigssaw1989 Incendiary tip? Or just regular tracer? LOL
scorpiostinger65 2 months ago
The scope that the sniper in vietnam had was more similair to a modern red dot, these guys dont know what there talking about!!!
hunterguy28 2 months ago
@hunterguy28
Indeed. I want a re-test with a real Russian PU scope!
caderly123 2 months ago
so i dont get it y would they only use the gun from ww2 y not the gun and scope duhhhhhh
namo13drake 2 months ago
Too many lenses. The scopes then had maybe 2 or three. just sayin
aeclipseguy1 2 months ago
was it in savng private ryan?:l
Ar0npr0ducti0ns 2 months ago
This myth was like the movie sniper
NathanIsaBounty 2 months ago
Simple how that man did a shot through the scope: He's a robot like the terminator being able to use a aimbot to aim correctly and through the scope to finish the other sniper off
AeroClawz 2 months ago
hahaha happy camper!
AmDaBauss 2 months ago
Ya they used too modern of a scope to punch through, more len's in that thing. More to stop a bullet. Vietnam era scopes only had 2 or 3 len's. This was already proven plausable in the Miltary Channels show Snipers.
zhugzug 2 months ago
GySgt Hathcock used a self-designed .50 caliber sniper rifle for most of his long distance kills, and a Remington 700 series bolt action .308 for the rest. NVA and Viet Cong used Chinese or Russian derived rifles, and very large often WWII era design optics with fewer lenses and weaker glass. If they used a .30-06 chambered rifle in this mythbust the velocity would be lower and thus lessen the distance it'd travel on impact.
techcon87 2 months ago
even if it wasn't the same type of scope as the Vietnam myth one, this was still very cool to watch and i enjoyed it a lot
Georgeous129 2 months ago
at 5:31 it shows it`s an FMJ round.
notusmc67427 2 months ago
the debate on FMJ or non FMJ is a little ridiculous. They were most likely using FMJ rounds here. They were most likely using the same type in Vietnam. The only thing that would have made it easier to preserve the bullets flight path is if it were an AP bullet.
notusmc67427 2 months ago
Well I think they messed up here. The Gy. Hatchcock shot was from a farther distance maybe 400 yards. At that distance the bullet itself no longer has the same velocity making it less likely to shatter upon impact. Under 200 yards a 7.62 bullet will most likely fragment upon impact. Therefore destroying what it hit first and what is directly behind that.
notusmc67427 2 months ago
@notusmc67427 So the farther distance the slower the bullets moving. The slower the bullet the more likely it will stay intact. The more intact it stays the more likely it will travel the whole way down the metal scope. Even if it tumbles it will be more likely to tumble inside the metal scope. It`s like pushing a car with a small metal pole. If you hit the car at 50 mph it will impale the car. If you slowly push on the car it will move the car not destroy it.
notusmc67427 2 months ago
@notusmc67427 not travelling down the scope like Gy. Hatchcock did with his bullet. Also this video calls a highly decorated US Marine a liar. I don`t appreciate that.
notusmc67427 2 months ago
@notusmc67427
dude get over it. why in the hell do you all think that because a Serviceman is highly decorated or high ranked that he cant be a liar? do you know ho many NCO and officers are in leavenworth for commiting crimes? some for capital crimes.
I was in the military and we had plenty of "highly decorated" Nco's that were drunkards, wife beaters, thieves, and one e-6 raped his own step daughter.
so yeah, they called a marine a liar so what. marines have done worse.
SEEPRICE 2 months ago
@forsaken8181 it looked like a .223
ddaigle76 2 months ago
Why did you edit out the commercials?
TheOREGON1859 2 months ago
They have done this in another show and it actually went through
photonbombzx 2 months ago
In soviet russia... scope shoots you
marilyn69manson 2 months ago 36
its because the scope has too many lenses. the one from vietnam had a number of lenses similar to a modern red dot.
th3airsofttitan 2 months ago
which movie is that from?
linenlines 2 months ago
@linenlines
"saving private ryan" i guess...
9280Mark 2 months ago
@9280Mark it happened in real life
zx3X3CUT3xzGaming 2 months ago
How hard was it for them to actually do some simple research? Get a Russian 3.5 power scope like they would have issued. Jeez.
TheSillmatic 2 months ago
This has been proven for a scope of that time period.
They didn't have scopes like that in Vietnam!!
ILuVmYShReDStIcK 2 months ago 42
@ILuVmYShReDStIcK Yeah the scopes back then didnt have so many linses only like 2-3 so i think it was possible back then.
jennerl96 2 months ago
@ILuVmYShReDStIcK yeah. they should have used a acog scope to prove it. put it's not even a myth. they had photo's of it
franky1l 2 months ago
@franky1l Dude, don't bring that Call of Duty stuff here, the Vietnamese Army used a Russian PU sight.
ILuVmYShReDStIcK 2 months ago
@ILuVmYShReDStIcK so? what cod stuff? acog scopes have the same build as those old sniper scopes. they even used it to prove the myth in another program.
franky1l 2 months ago