Beginning Photography Tips & Techniques : 35 mm Film Camera Versus a Digital SLR

[PedroJesusGomes]

i love expert village... because you never get tired of learning the obvious

[300Z31]

Difference between film and not-film. One uses film, one doesn't. Did that really require a 2 min video?

[Ichimomo101]

I think both film and digital have their pluses and minuses yet any good photographer would tell you that the best cameras are vintage, manual-only (both lens and camera) and, of course, on film.

Film is fabulous if you sit in a darkroom yourself or know a place that can make the pics the way you want them to look otherwise you might get something you don't want to. You need to know what film to pick (the faster the film is the crappier the quality is) on the other hand film helps you develop

[currahee03]

Every time I see a video from expert village it fills my heart with pure hate.

[SaypheZonE]

man this guy sounds nervous as fuk

[SaypheZonE]

man this guy sounds nervous as fun

[MrLangley59]

film rules!!!!!!!



[detestosu]

after 3 years in heavy usage of various DSLR cameras like canon 1DmkII, 10D, 20D,30D,40D,50D, Nikon D70, D300, D100, Olympus E series like E-3 and E-1 and no film usage during this time, i realised that all it took was a Leica M6 and a Cosina CSM 35mm film camera and some real glass (that is very cheap , not leica tho :D) to shatter all the cameras that i had or i dream about. Digital is way out of quality and i now find that digital users are just point and shooters. GO FILM ! :D

[XitzpatX]

he makes it seem that digital cameras are better, but they're not even though they can be convinient. film photography allows you to feel one with the camera and creative, also the big advantage is they take better clearer pictures

[HedgehogStudios1]

very uninformative. Thanks for the useless shit that everyone knows. Tell me something I already don't know.

[DDDROE]

films i used cost 3 - 5euro, developing&digitalizing 36picture film without paper photos cost 7-10euro depend on shop and quality wanted) ..only last weekend I took more than 1000 pictures of my 550D (birthday party, workshop at school, party at club, some random streetscapes) ..well..with my film T50 it would be around 30film cartriges, cost around 135 euro, toget my photos on CDs around next 230 euro ..well all in all ..for that money I can buy prime 50mm 1.4 lens in my country ..you decide...

[whittmikevideo]

I own a few Canon EOS models that I recently purchased from ebay. I was let down after laying out $800.00 for a DSLR that only produces 10 megapixels. My EOS Elan II and my EOS A2 deliver so much better quality photos! I simply drop off my film and have them stored on a cd. You can do this at many drug stores these days if you don't have a camera shop in town. Prices run $3 to $5 and they usually do it in about an hour!!!

[whittmikevideo]

I own a few Canon EOS models that I recently purchased from ebay. I was let down after laying out $800.00 for a DSLR that only produces 10 megapixels. My EOS Elan II and my EOS A2 deliver so much better quality photos! I simply drop off my film and have them stored on a cd. You can do this at many drug stores these days if you don't have a camera shop in town. Prices run $3 to $5 and they usually do it in about an hour!!!

[Tyoneg]

he makes me want to not like film cameras.

[futuristicidea87]

Very informative for a newbie like me. I also get some good pointers from thephotographyclinic (.) com

[whittmikevideo]

@futuristicidea87

I own a few Canon EOS models that I recently purchased from ebay. I was let down after laying out $800.00 for a DSLR that only produces 10 megapixels. I later fopund out 24mp is equal to 35mm. My EOS Elan II and my EOS A2 deliver so much better quality photos! I simply drop off my film and have them stored on a cd. You can do this at many drug stores these days if you don't have a camera shop in town. Prices run $3 to $5 and they usually do it in about an hour!!!

[T0tAlT0dDiNaTi0N]

i have never seen an expert village video on any subject that has been helpful

[MegaTmarshall]

Digital is just faux photography that's designed for a bunch of wannabe photographers that don't have the skill to shoot film.

[Dutch3DMaster]

@MegaTmarshall : So professional photographers who photograph for a living are not real photographers when they do it digital?

There is a bigger skill needed in developing your own film, shooting is more or less the same with chemical and digital camera's.

My granddad who is "only" an amateurphotographer had to quit using his analog (or call it chemical) equipment because the required chemicals for developing were out of stock, because practically no one uses them anymore.

[MegaTmarshall]

@Dutch3DMaster Pro photographers that shoot digital don't command as much respect from me because I see them taking 1000's of pictures of the same scenes to get only a few pictures they want to print. Less thought goes into their compositions as well. I still have a wet darkroom like your granddad. I can still get the chemicals and papers needed here no problem at the camera store. I also have the option of buying supplies online. Maybe you can help him by ordering supplies online.

[Dutch3DMaster]

@MegaTmarshall : There are a lot of pro photographers that still don't shoot thousands of pictures just to be able to pick the perfect one.

I must say that I can agree with you on that, it's sort of cheating, because you don't necessarily analyse your scene, you just shoot and shoot and pick later on.

My granddad has bought a Canon 40D 1,5 years a go but still has all his analog equipment.

I'm not sure if there are Dutch webshops who sell chemicals online actually, but thanks for the tip.

[MegaTmarshall]

@Dutch3DMaster You may not have to restrict yourself to webshops in Holland just to order darkroom chemicals. You might look at the UK or Germany as well to order online. I believe that Agfa is out of Germany so why not take a look at them? I know that they still make all the chemicals and photo papers because I still see it on the store shelves here in Canada. Do they still teach darkroom photography in school in Holland? If so, find the retailer that supplies the schools and problem solved.

[Dutch3DMaster]

@MegaTmarshall : My granddad can hardly use a computer, he barely understands reading email, so I'm not really sure if shopping online would succeed (without me standing next to him pointing him where to click.)

[MegaTmarshall]

@Dutch3DMaster It sounds to me like you will have to do his shopping for darkroom supplies for him on the computer. The materials are available but you just have to go looking for it. You would be surprised how many young people are discovering film photography over here and find it to be fascinating. Many of them are buying hi-end film cameras cheap, shooting film and loving every minute of it. I'm glad that younger people are doing this because they are helping to keep film alive.

[MegaTmarshall]

@Dutch3DMaster Just for fun (and to prove a point) I'm going to pit a borrowed digital slr camera up against my 35mm slr and 2 of my medium format cameras as an experiment. I'm going to shoot pictures of the same scenes by each camera and put the prints side by side in a photo album (digital vs film) so that my friends can compare the final print results. This should be a worthy experiment and should be especially interesting when I start comparing the resolution of digital to 120 film.

[Dutch3DMaster]

@MegaTmarshall : When you are talking about "medium format camera's" are those full frame factor camera's? Because if they aren't, the comparison isn't really going to be fair, lots of image information gets lost in APS-C (Canon) camera's and the crop factor sensors that Nikon uses (I don't know what the abbreviation for Nikon camera's with a crop sensor is so...).

I like your idea though, keep me updated via PM or something, I'd like to see the results :).

[MegaTmarshall]

@Dutch3DMaster The medium format cameras that I'm going to use are all film cameras that use size 120 rolls of film. One is a Yashica TLR (that takes about 12 pics/roll of film) and the other is a German Adox camera (bellows type) that takes 8 pics/roll of film. Both of the cameras are more than 50 years old but in very good condition. The negatives are large so that = a lot of pixels if you compare digital to film. 35mm film is even smaller but I want to see how they compare to a 6MP camera.

[markonvideo]

@Dutch3DMaster If you're still looking for a Dutch webshop, try FotoFilmFabriek.nl.

[mglsotto]

damn. I thought this time I'd find a legit video cause of his plain black shirt and goatie :|

[Drpepper99uk]

Droll, boring, and most people could work out what he was talking about for themselves by either buying a good book on beginner photography, or by joining a local camera club.

[digitalbeachwar]

HAHAHAHA His sign off is fucking hilarious! This video serves no purpose. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[CrzayMazy]

expertvillage got to be one of the most useless channels here on youtube

[mouniradio]

expert village what iz ur fucking problm always u prodcast the most stupid and boring videos,,,,,,,,,, ?????????????

[johnnytastetest]

After submitting this video, this man was tarred and feathered and then forever banished from the "Village of Expert" (population c. 6,040)

The other villagers expertly chased him into the outskirts one night with torches and pitchforks. It was quite the scene.

[HelloNewYorkCity]

for some reason film has this thing to it that makes it much better than digital. i can't say it. my friend is jealous because my 40 year old nikon f2 has better color reproduction than his d300

[MegaTmarshall]

@HelloNewYorkCity My 40 year old 35mm Minolta SRT-101 takes better pictures than any digital camera and I can use it without any batteries because it operates purely on its mechanical mechanism to fire the shutter. Digital will always have a numeric limitation for resolution and colour reproduction but film is seemingly endless because it delivers "what you see is what you get."

[oscardy]

Dude looks like a 60's hippie

[vpdisco]

I learned to embraced digital. We must remember that when photography first emerged as an art form it was often ridiculed by elitist snobs. Regardless if its film or digital a camera is just a tool. The final image is all that matters.

[Ipitythedouchebag]

Film is far superior in Quality, but digital dominates if you are on a budget in the long term. With digital you can also instantly edit the photo and change the way the photo is taken(on most DSLRs anyway). My mom's old 35mm point and shoot took amazing photos with ease that would take at least a mid-range DSLR(her point and shoot wasn't even a high end one).

[jleite5136]

@Ipitythedouchebag I agree with everything you said except that digital dominates if you are on a budget in the long term. Give me a digital camera capable of competing with my Nikon's F5 or my Canon's EOS 1V costing as much. Even Canon's first professional-level digital camera, the Canon EOS 1D, cannot compete with its film camera flag ship, despite being older, nor can it compete with Nikon's 1988 F4 or Canon's 1989 EOS 1.

[jleite5136]

@Ipitythedouchebag A medium DSLR with lens will cost you about $800-$1000 USD. You will also need a computer and digital imaging software. Just think how many rolls of film you could buy, develop. Want it digital? Just have it scanned.

[multibigpop]

Or you could just buy older manual lenses and use the proper adapter so you don't lose infinity focus, even though most people have no use for infinity. And the differences in quality are barely noticeable.

[TrevorDeanM]

Film is the closest thing to our own imaginations. Digital is for business, film is for art. I'd like to see a negative the size of a notebook paper. Film is the king of the jungle and it's only 35 millimeters.

I love this time in the industry. High end, superior equipment is available for a few dollars. Plus film keeps getting better.

[dergotto]

@TrevorDeanM

You are so right.

[pluga]

I to feel the same way as the person below me. I love shooting film than my digital slr. I have my canon eos1n and my digital 40d. Film is far better than a raw or jpeg. lol

[blue9z]

I have both analog and digital cameras (eos). Lately i have vent back to analog film mostly b/w.

There is more soul in traditional film, the pictures have more grain than digital, however sharpnes is excelent and often superior. The pictures you get from digital looks good, boring and soulless.

[masticina]

As noticed by the comments here it is a big war Territory's. I feel both formats, digital and film have their use.

The problem with film that unless you self process it, the picture coming from it might be bad. Indeed send your film to a place to get it done for you and..who knows what you get back.

Hence why digital at least on that point gave you some warnings ahead.

[Robotdrummerzzk]

Expensive digital cameras looks a lot better than expensive film

[Dreambro1]

im finding tons of Quality film cameras at thrift stores nowadays,, cant beat it,, 200 dollar fim cameras for 10 bucks or less,, around 5 bucks on average!

[trhisdone]

I hear you man just got a canon eos 1v for 400... That camera was like 5000 when it came out...

[fayik123]

the sensors on digital slr are still smaller. THEy need to make large sensors now

[MAROONPHOENIX2]

i have a compact panasonic it is from four years ago it costs $500 and it has a full frame (35mm equivalent sensor). they have already been making "large" sensors it just hasn't appeared on that many cameras.

[sirdavid32]

I agree, there´s nothing like film when it gets to grain. Digital adds so much artifacts, I´m just plain glad I continue the real "deal" to the core pictures with my cannon AE1. The cam is about 40 years old (no kidding) and I still complement it with digital shooting for the crucial shots. I don´t want to compromise gray areas (film guys know what I´m talking about) ;)

[PartTimePhotography]

Good stuff - I'll pass this along to all my newsletter subscribers.

[potofgravy]

Film seems very expensive these days though. I'm spending about AUD$25-30 for every 36 (or less) photos.

For experimenting I'd rather have a DSLR in my hands and considering the most popular medium at the moment for photography is the internet it's not so bad.

I still like shooting on film though, it's a totally different experience. It's the same with filming (movies). Digital allows for many retakes but to run with film you need to have a well oiled machine working with you.

[Sinatra192]

I am a filmmaker as well and i shoot my movies on film. Shooting on films adds so much to the filmmaking process. Shooting with digital is like making a home video of your kids soccer game, just point and shoot. Like you said, shooting with film you have to have a great crew to back it up, with digital you can just find anyone to hold the camera . Fortunately I have had amazing crews on all my film shoots.

[potofgravy]

You still need a good crew for a good film, regardless.

Digital is looking very good these days, especially with things like the RED camera. Shooting on digital is very good for creating shows with lots of improv and unplanned actions.  For instance Superbad was shot on digital which allowed them to do take after take after take. It changes the pace of shooting too, there's no need to keep checking the gate and swap over the film, it's far quicker.

[Sinatra192]

All the super expensive digital cameras are creating programs to try and manipulate the photos to look like film, so why spend thousands of dollars on a digital camera when you can actually shoot film for so much cheaper. Digital photography gives you instant results, but with film, if you just take a lil time to meter your lighting, set your shutter and f-stop, and position your model your photos will come out amazing. Digital photography will never fully take over film photography. FILM RULES!

[CoronaKidz]

lol...wake up. Film has been dead for a few years now. The new DSLRs out there blow any film camera out of the water.

[MAROONPHOENIX2]

Quality vs. convenience i will take QUALITY over convenience any day and film beats dslrs in picture quality seems you do not know much about photography film blows digital out of the water.

[CoronaKidz]

Quality? Please. I'm a long time photography and the QUALITY that I get from my digital pics is FAR better than anything I ever did on film. EVER. I'm not talking about Joe Average using a low end DSLR, I'm talking about using the latest and greatest DSLRs out there and then properly edited using a high end photo editing program like Lightroom. I've dealt with my fair share of Film Fanatics who insist that film is better and refuse to go digital. You will all get left in the dust. Sayonara.

[lyamwins]

@CoronaKidz good luck there buddy!

[jleite5136]

@CoronaKidz If the quality you get from your digital pics are FAR better than anything you ever did on film it only proves How good you really were shooting film. Nevertheless, have you ever seen Sebastião Salgado shooting digital?

[nrobnas43]

I want to get back into film cameras because I am getting sick of having to replace or charge the batteries for the digital. I know the batteries with film last about 40 rolls or longer. Plus, I want to to be in charge of the photos- Had a canon A E1 and I had a lot of fun, but no time. Got a nikon cool pix and i think it's great to see photos on computer but then what? What do you think?

[ishouldplayzelda]

i personally hate digital cameras because the only digital cameras i've ever used have a shitty auto focus. there's really no perspective with auto focus..... i also fucking hate batteries too.

[Oronare]

I began in Digital and am moving much more into B&W film.

You do learn a lot more about the science behind Photography, why the histogram matters etc real light readings as opposed to an inbuilt sensor.

Also, when someone says their camera has a 10,12,20 meg capture, i can turn around and say that mine gets a 6 gig capture. The detail and grain control you get with working in film is epic compared to Digital.

I am sure it will catch up some day soon, but for now the film experience is best.

[TheStig000]

Holy shit these guys suck. Every single one of their videos is useless or just plain wrong.

[mikongo]

Photography = Death

[bonesdsm]

Digital photography is shit.

[audiofreeq]

i what way,you cant make that kind of statement without a genuine reason,or do you use hassleblad ?

[nonplasmaant]

It's actually pretty good if you have a high end one, and not the shit point&shoots.

When I watch TV shows with modeling and junk, it irks me that they use that instead of film though. It's becoming a lost art real quick.

[ct92404]

...as an example, in some of the pictures I've taken with my Yashica A (Twin Lens Reflex manual film camera), I could magnify them and read street signs that were over 2 city blocks away. Even one of my friends who DOES shoot mostly digital admitted that it takes better pictures than his DSLR.

When I'm just hanging out with my friends or whatever, I use digital for getting quick snapshots. But if I actually go out to take photos, I use film. I also develop B&W film and prints at home.

[ct92404]

nope, it's true. bonesdsm is completely right. You can pick up MUCH more detail with properly exposed film than you can with digital. Film has more latitude, whereas digital tends to be easily overexposed. I've taken landscape photos with my manual 35mm and 120 film cameras that completely blew away my 8 megapixel digital camera. Film just blows digital out of the water. If you want lame "kewl pics" for your MySpace page, then use digital. For REAL photography, film is much better.

[anilomd]

Thanks for the insight. I just went on a shopping spree in ebay during my latest episode of GAS. I purchased a bunch of film cameras.

[Grimmless]

this video is amazingly useless. even for beginners.