To watch solely a dog, and say this didn't evolve into a cat, therefore evolution is not real is a logical fallacy, however to watch 8.7 million species over hundreds of years, according to the theory, we would have seen one evolve by now. We have been studying this for long enough and studying enough species to have proven evolution by now.
Evolution is a proven scientific fact. Creatures in an environment evolve through the process of natural selection to fit into their environment. This is a survival mechanism and is a proven fact. Dogs don't suddenly turn into cats. Evolution doesn't work that way. Maybe the person woh posted this creationist nonsense shoud take a biology class.
« the genes in speciation has been proven by your beloved science to have far less groups than the original species they deviated from »
No, it hasn't. How do you feel about having to make stuff up in order to defend your beliefs? Do you feel good about that? Does that make you feel comfortable with your beliefs?
@surferdjr By all means, provide a link to all this ground-breaking research that shows that speciation is the result of a chronic loss of genetic information, and preferably not an article from a religiously or politically orientated propaganda website.
By duplicating and then changing the product of a gene to something that wasn't previously a feature, you are 'adding' to, or at least 'changing' the genetic information of an organism. This is something that drives speciation.
@surferdjr Having an education in a subject tends to give you sturdier ground to stand on when discussing its advanced elements. Evolutionary genetics is a hard and complex topic. When someone with no education or background in an advanced science claims they can tear an entire theory down because of such an 'obvious' gaping hole that thousands of those who spend decades researching the subject have mysteriously overlooked, then it's usually because they're just not getting something.
@surferdjr Ah, of course, when a vast scientific consensus does not happen to fit your worldview, cry "conspiracy!” No, I'm sorry to tell you that the reason why the vast, vast majority of biologists, geologists, palaeontologists and palaeobiologists do not believe in the strict 6 day creation myth of your religion (and all the others) is because it's, well, ridiculous. It boldly contradicts almost everything we know about the natural world, including some basic common sense.
@surferdjr (2) Either: A. There's a whopping great obvious hole in the genetics of Evolution that every evolutionary biologist and millions of geneticists have mysteriously overlooked these many decades, or B. You and other creationists (the vast majority of which have no credentials in biology) simply don't understand the genetics behind evolutionary processes. I'm tempted to think B.
"Evolutionist now Christian". You are aware that most 'Evolutionists' are *also* Christians, right?
@surferdjr (1) Speciation IS Evolution. It's the process behind how new species arise. "They can't interbreed anymore due to a smaller gene pool". Gene pool size (*variety* of genetic characteristics) does not define species and does not necessarily affect breeding.
When a population undergoes speciation, it's not that it has 'fewer genes', therefore cannot interbreed with other populations, it's that the changes acquired through cumulative mutation prevent chromosomal pairing.
@surferdjr (2) See "nature(dot com)/scitable/topicpage/origins-of-new-genes-and-pseudogenes-835" for an introduction to the origins of new genes.
The genesis of new genetic 'information' is a fairly well understood process and plenty of research on this can be found in the peer reviewed scientific journals. It really isn't something contested in science, only in creationist internet gossip. If you want accurate information about something, start with respected sources.
@surferdjr (1) The only thing separating 'macro' and 'micro' evolution is time scale. Over many generations cumulative genetic changes can become so great that two diverging populations can no longer interbreed. This is speciation, a phenomenon that has been observed and documented in dozens of instances both in the lab and in nature. (cont.)
@surferdjr Mutation can and does add new 'information' to the genome. For instance, a mutation may result in an allele that codes for grey feathers instead of black, creating a different phenotype. Something has now appeared that wasn't there before; this is what we call 'new'.
"Cross a donkey with a mule you get an ass". Smooth. An 'ass' is a male donkey.
Mule infertility is down to the difficulties of chromosome pairing due to inherited species differences, not "mutation".
@GuardianAngelFanga Sorry but if you are going to make factually inaccurate statements - they WILL get corrected. The more that Darwin studied it the more he was convinced.
Currently the scientific community accepts it as one of the most thoroughly demonstrated scientific theories there is. Evidence includes (e.g.) Biogeography, Fossils, DNA & Proteins, Palaeontology, Homologies & Anatomy, Physiology, Taxonomy, Vestigiality, Models & Simulation, Richard Lenski “E Coli” Experiment.
@EvolutionAtheist i dont understand ur quabbling, but believe whatever ya wanna believe, but i am never gonna change my fucking mind about that Darwin Theory.
@eduardtube1980 If intelligent design is true then why are there so many faults in many living things? I'm not talking about things that happen due to environmental factors, but things we and other organisms are 'born' with.
@AlanYugi9689 The egyptians believed in many Gods. Many with heads of beasts. I suppose they were wrong and your God is right? You can't both be right. But considering you say they were smarter than us, then they must be right?
@bvsandman If there was such a flood, much of the marine life would not have survived. All the coral reefs would have died, and also the shallow tidal areas that are nurseries for so many fish. During a flood, the sun could not reach and power life, therefore all the coral reefs would have died and everything that relies on them. Unless they had corals on the ark with specially designed tanks...
@bvsandman 'Theory' in this case means.....'1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena'.
Stop using that lame excuse that 'it's only a theory'. Find out what it means first
The numerous and effective scientific dating-methods, however, DO provide the proof that they fossilized billions of years ago.
I can see, just through your words, that you have no knowledge of dating methods and judge them with a false assumption that scientists simply dig up a fossil and say "Well this looks pretty old. 4.6 (not 60) billion years sounds good."
@favoredbythee That's why we have methods such as carbon dating and absolute dating to figure out just how long ago did those animals die. Look up more information on those two methods (there are more, mind you).
One the problems of religion is that it relies on unreliable sources. Science is a reliable means of reaching conclusions on the basis repeatable experience (empiricism). Religion is based on the "revelation" by a specific man in a specific location in history and geography. Scientific research is based empirical experimentation that can be repeated wherever you live. Religion is subjective and therefore limited by cultural circumstance. Many religions have come and gone but science will remain.
@perdondaris science proves religion...trust me in a medical student..i became more of a christian in med school. No freaking way this happened by chance buddy...btw we use the christian calendar, more proof than other about christianity, things in the bible that are happening in todays world, seeing sick people get healed, trust me its hard to believe but it happens.
@sammyjs1983 I do believe prayer works. But not because there is a god to pray but because positive thinking improves your health. It is a psychological thing. There is a difference between me (an atheist) and Hitchens (an antitheist). It would be great if there was an entity looking after your best interests and only wanted to improve your happiness. I once believed that. But by my later experiences I could no longer support that narrative. I am not special and my life story isn't special.
Also, the "christian calendar" we use has nothing to do with religion (even if it was a pope that introduced it). It was the result of mathematical studies to figure out how many days it takes for the Earth to complete a cycle (year). If it was a religious thing, we'd be using the modern calendar since the Bible was written, and not just since the 16th century, when someone sat down to do the maths. Just my two cents on the matter.
@bvsandman That said, the bible also mentioned talking animals, impossible floods, people rising from the dead, walking on water, parting seas and other thing that are highly improbable now, let alone thousands of years ago to primitive civilisations. The reason we believe pyramids can be built is because we've empirically tested them, other evidence supports them and a whole host of research and peer review; the Bible and Creationism have yet to pass such testing...
"All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
I'm not even finished watching and I am astonished that this perfect analogy is not used as a rebuttal everywhere the ludicrous crocoduck argument rears its scaly head.
@EternaISkeptic7 "According to evolution anything can happen" Nope, you again show that you do not understand what it is you are arguing against. Why is with you creationists you are so ignorant of what you don't accept or simply like lying for the hell of it.
@bvsandman There goes that creationist once again when someone asks for proof of god, and they once again change the subject. I'm done talking to you, have a nice day.
@Phunnypickle Although you may think why would a God let all these things happen to people, I wouldn't do it. I look at it as if I was a God and I created what I believe he did, I wouldn't step in unless I have to. Even then I would let my creation handle it. What would be the point of making something like this if you're always gonna step in to help.
@bvsandman thats not the way i look at it. I look at it as Religion is bullshit. If you actually believe in that stuff, you are holding us back as a society. Imagine how much we, as a world could get accomplished without religious bullshit. Didnt i say i was done talking to you? have a nice day.
@Phunnypickle Most of religion is bullshit, there are a lot of historical facts and artifacts within the bible and such. Not all of Jesus' teachings have been used, people use slanderous terms to people that don't think like they do. Remember, who's charities have given the most? That's right religious. Converting is beside the point, they still build schools, raise money for the poor, feed the poor, and bring Jesus to cultures. You seem very upset about this.
@bvsandman They also cause wars, Take billions of dollars and dont need to pay taxes, cause terrorism, and imagine all those jobs that could be made if we took religion out of the picture. we would actually develop as a species without religion. Relgion was made up alonnnnnggg time ago when there was lots of stuff wrong with this world. People needed hope, and that was how they got it.
@Phunnypickle No, YOU think that's all there is too it. It's funny though, I think it takes more faith to ASSUME that a singularity that was smaller than an atom was just "there" and it exploded into this whole universe.
@Phunnypickle The Bible has many historical facts, archaeology, time lines etc. Besides how are you any different from what you're arguing? "It happened", right? With only theories and no proof of it happening. The bible has many other truths. I'm sure you believe the ancient people could build pyramids and build other great wonders that we can't even fathom of making. Yet they're stupid and uneducated when they see something Holy. Nice logic.
the middle east can be easily discounted here as every culture & religion from the region was somehow influenced or based on a previously existing one. as for asia ... well who on earth would ever come flood-story in an area yearly revisited by the monsoon?
@Medhiv83 Discounted? Lol, yet no one has. The point is, every culture has a story of major floods near the same time. Whether it was a "world" flood is arguable.
@TheOneAndOnlyRebekka Because the rock that forms Everest was once below the sea. The land was uplifted as the Indian and Eurasian plates collided; creating the Himalayan range and thrusting this rock upward (the land is still rising today at a measurable rate). The top of Everest consists of limestone, a rock that forms slowly in shallow seas. Dead marine organisms often get buried and fossilised as the calcium carbonate sediment is deposited over many years.
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
praise be to the poop tossing monkey! glory be to the name of the smelly buttlicker that shall clean anothers ass with its mouth!...we MUST praise the almighty invisible missing link, missing information and all of the glowing inconsistencies involved in our religeon! as an athiest, i want to thank santa, the easter bunny, tooth fairy, alah, and i bow to the worship of the missing "monkeyman skull fragment i need to prove evolution! holy be the MM's name! blessed be the turd tosser!
you begin with Micro evolution this is proven, small changes within a kind. yet you end in Macro evolution telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind which is not proven and the missing link for that is not found yet.
« telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind »
No, in fact macro-evolution is *not* evolution "outside of its own kind." Species that emerge from existing species always remain part of the clade they emerged from. Birds are still dinosaurs. Humans are still apes. Apes and dinosaurs are still tetrapods. Tetrapods and insects are still animals. Animals and plants are still eukaryota.
« telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind »
No, in fact macro-evolution is *not* evolution "outside of its own kind." Species that emerge from existing species always remain part of the clade they emerged from. Birds are still dinosaurs. Humans are still apes. Apes and dinosaurs are still tetrapods. Tetrapods and insects are still animals. Animals and plants are still eukaryota.
I'm not from this planet and I can't comprehend how you have people who deny evolution..I mean cmon.. Chromosomal fusion, chromosome 2, endogenous retroviruses, intermediate fossils, its plain and clear! Whats going on here? ITS FUCKING IRREFUTABLE! Its tangible rational testable science. What kind of mind wouldnt accept it?....what? Whats this you say? God? Virgin birth? Talking snake? 6 thousand year old earth? God created everything in its present form?..............you pathetic, sad humans..
@odinata I brought up bullshit for the fact that he's calling himself a non human and the fact that we have no proof of aliens. Grainy BS pictures, with horrible easily doctored video doesn't count.
@odinata The scientific method is used for things we can physically test, only cause we can't test them doesn't mean they don't exist. Look at the quantum physics, Noah's boat has been found, in mountains controlled by the government in the middle east. Talking snakes? Well if it was controlled by the devil then there's no way of really saying it didn't happen. People have personal experiences where the demons talk to them and such. You assume it's BS cause you already have a negative perception
no it hasn't, A SHIP was found in turkey but there is no evidence to support it being the ark, a group of "Evangelical explorers" found a ship and claimed it was the ark because it had compartments which they assumed were for different animals lol,
@costa200 Well, how do know it's not? That was in an area were the flood happened. Not everyone who believes in the Bible is a fundie. Your maturity doesn't surprise me. Most atheists think they are smarter yet all they do is listen to third party bullshit by other atheists and say SEE THIS IS PROOF! Get off your high horse.
@bvsandman Please do listen to yourselves... The government is keeping noah's ark in mountains in the middle east? Can you sound more nuts? And "the flood"? Are you kidding me? Contrary to you bozos i actually work in this scientific field. There was no flood as described in the bible. There is zero evidence for it.
THE BOTTOM LINE, There is a God. And a Satan. Satan is what makes people confuse or doubt that there is a God. Now to continue believing that there is NO God, is logically believing in Satan. Its PLAIN and SIMPLE. All that is not from God will be removed and the rest will remain. Science is just a tool to observe God's creation, not against it. Why many people don't believe in God? Bec. it is written in the Bible that only few will find the way to God and will be Saved. I pray your one of them.
@eduardtube1980 The standard for scientific evidence.. Basically, give me something observable that proves the high probability of that specific theory.
It's an Amphibian you..... They live on water and land. You have micro and macro evolution in the same category. You are Scientifically off. Go read some more and not internet videos either.
@odinata yes, that's exactly what the people of Noah's time before the flood, the people of sodom and gomorrah and the people of babylon thought the warnings will not happen until it came to consume them all. Very sad indeed.
@DaFleegsta my friend, look around you, everything is a product of an Intelligent Designer. Whether it is living or non-living. From the smallest particle of matter, to the vast heavenly objects in outside our planet, everything follows the laws of nature. In human terms, no law exists without a law giver. Same goes with the laws of gravity, electomagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces which, without these laws, life, even the stars and the galaxies could not possibly exist. God Bless.
@DaFleegsta evidence is all around you my friend. Our Universe follows the laws of nature as discovered by a lot of scientists like Newton, Einstein etc is a direct proof that everything is designed. Even Richard Dawkins believes that the Cell is a product of Intelligent design simply because random amino acids cannot bind together to make complex proteins or RNA which is formed by the code embedded in the DNA. The DNA, like a source code to a computer program is product of intelligent design.
@eduardtube1980 You haven't proved that the laws of nature came from an intelligent design. How is that a more probable explanation than natural causes (when natural causes have proven everything else in our world, and intelligent design hasn't proven anything that isn't artificial or made instinctively by creatures).
Richard Dawkins beleives that the cell is a product of intelligent design?? Prove that as well please.
You seem to make a lot of unproven claims.. I'm still waiting on that proof
@DaFleegsta The proof that the laws of nature is a product of intelligent design is because the laws can be represented by perfect mathematical formulas. The laws of gravitation, elecromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear force that all governs the bonds and movements of atoms that makes all the known elements.
Watch Ben Stein with Richard on this interview, watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc&feature=related. Watch his answers on questions about creation of the universe and the origin of life starting at 2:30.
@eduardtube1980 Yeah I've already seen that interview multiple times in the past. You still haven't made the connection between "laws of physics exist" to "therefor, it was intelligently designed". Even if it WAS, we'd have a new problem; "an intelligent designer exists" "therefor IT must have an intelligent designer as well".
Why do you beleive they were intelligently designed as apposed to they always existed, or they spontaneously appeared (there were no laws to prevent it)?
@DaFleegsta The question of who designed the designer is absurd. That is where humans fail to understand and acknowledge the Creator of the Universe. God is infinite, all powerful and exists beyond the realm of matter, space and time. Otherwise, there will be no universe at all. Even astronomers know that matter and life could not possibly exists if the physical constants were slightly different from what they are now. That concludes that the universe, and earth is fine-tuned for life.
@eduardtube1980 So everything must be created, EXCEPT FOR GOD?? You don't provide any evidence supporting why god is an exception to that rule. If god doesn't need to be created, then that means he's not part of 'every-thing'. And if he is not a 'thing', then he is 'no-thing'. According to your theory, god is nothing, ie he does not exist.
If some things can exist without being created (like god, as you propose), then why not beleive matter/energy could just exist without being created?
@DaFleegsta A very interesting logic you have there my friend. "If god doesn't need to be created, then that means he's not part of 'every-thing'. And if he is not a 'thing', then he is 'no-thing'." That is, according to human logic, or should I say, according to YOU? God does not depend on our logic to prove He exists because the proof is already "everything" we see as well as the forces we don't see. As they are proven to be perfectly tuned to permit intelligent life, like you & me. God Bless!
@eduardtube1980 The existence of everything only proves the existence of everything. You fail to make a connection between that and there being a god. I could just as easily say that the proof for the flying speghetti monster is everything we see and the forces we don't see. The countless other religious beleifs have the exact same amount of evidence as you do (zero).
@eduardtube1980 "God does not depend on our logic to prove" What a great way to trick the weak minded into beleiving. "He's there, but don't try to verify it for yourself; it won't work." You could say that about anything, that doesn't make it true.
@DaFleegsta "What a great way to trick the weak minded into beleiving." Isn't that true? That we are all weak? Not just mentally, but also physically, emotionally and morally. We age, get sick and die. We make mistakes, we get in to temptations, we can't cure all diseases, we can't resolve world conflicts as we can't attain wold peace! All are manifestations of imperfections. Why does all these things are happening? All of these are answered in the Bible my friend. Science can only help us much.
@eduardtube1980 Science helps a lot more than the bible does. We may not be perfect, but we can try our best. Now, when trying our best, do we pray for sick to get better? Or do we take it upon ourselves and rely on SCIENCE to treat our ill?
The constant strive for truth that science provides is what has made our society so advanced. It's far from perfect, but it's much closer than it was back when primitive supersticious paranormal beleifs were relied on to help us and our people.
It's interesting you should mention the point that humans were primitive thousands or millions of years ago. Regardless of how long it is, it's interesting that ancient civilizations, like the mayans and egyptians, are actually MUCH more intelligent than we are. We still don't know how the pyramids were built despite all our advances in science and technology, we can't duplicate what a few millenia old civilization did, so much for us being primitive in the past...continued
So let's say we "evolved" a few million years ago, and eventually you had your first ancient civilizations of man that were very intelligent. Isn't it strange how we became less intelligent? I have no doubt in my mind that if the ancient egyptians had our scientific knowledge now in their time, they would be centuries, if not millennia, ahead of us.
Well, seeing as if the ancient egyptians had our knowledge of science (medical, biological, etc) they would've been a lot more advanced than us in all those fields, and would require us centuries, if not millennia, to reach to their level of knowledge. In that respect, our knowledge is actually less than what it was in ancient times, seeing as the egyptians are more advanced than us in several ways, one being how the pyramids were built.
@AlanYugi9689 Just because we don't understand how exactly they built the pyramids doesn't mean they had more knowledge than us.. Yeah, if we had a pyramid building competition and had to use nothing but their tools, they'd probably win.. But we're more knowledgable in the millions of other areas.
We're talking about IF's here.. IF they were smarter than us, yeah, they'd be smarter than us.. But they weren't actually. What's your point?
I really don't see what this has to do with evolution..
@DaFleegsta ive asked that same question science wants us to believe life can come from non living material and that the big bang came from absolutely nothing... so i ask. well why cant a god do the same thing? this is a huge contradiction in science which makes me believe there is a higher agenda at work. if science cant except god came from nothing then i cant except the universe coming from nothing.
@therealistone2003 Actually science doesn't want us to beleive the big bang came from nothing.. I don't know where you got that from. Scientists still don't know what happened before the big bang, they just know that it happened. All the big bang theory explains is how our surrounding universe moves and based on that it was all in the same position approximately 13.7 billions years ago...
@therealistone2003 And abiogenesis has already been proven (it's possible for life to come from non life), although how DNA originally developped is still unknown.. But scientists are working on it.. Assuming it was a supernatural being is the last thing any respectable scientist would do.
@DaFleegsta please provide proof because pasteur already proved that this is not possible and the miler urey experiment has never produced any life ever. so provide proof and i will provide proof that god exist
A science experiment simulating the early conditions of the earth showed a living material called RNA forming from non-living material and replicating itself: wired . com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
There are actually quite a bit of informative videos right here on youtube explaining abiogenesis in further detail: youtube . com/results?search_query=abiogenesis&aq=f
@therealistone2003 Where is your proof the god exists? DaFleegsta gave you his...Tom Cech won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1989 for doing it ! Let;s see you great evidence..
@eduardtube1980 If god can be infinite, then matter/energy can also be infinite. Unless you prove why god gets an exception to that rule.
And no, if the physical constants were slightly different, THEY WOULDNT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
There are tons that we don't know. But lets accept that we don't know and keep trying to figure it out. Lets frown upon people pretending to know things based on no evidence, since it discourages TRUE discovery which could potentially help us in the future.
@eduardtube1980 And richard dawkins doesn't "beleive that the Cell is a product of Intelligent design" like you claimed. The video clearly shows that he admits the POSSIBILITY that a cell may APPEAR to have been intelligently designed (likely from a designer in another part of the universe). Claiming a possibility is in no way claiming to know, it's actually the exact opposite. All that proves is that dawkins isn't ignorant.
But we haven't found that 'signature of intelligent design' in a cell.
@DaFleegsta The signature of ID in the cell is the DNA found in all living creatures. There is no evidence that random amino acids can form meaningful information such as DNA. Another one is the Fibonacci numbers found in both living and non-living things. Dawkin's statement of the possibility of the cell to be intelligently designed by an alien life form is Ignorance, as defined by "Lack of knowledge or information". We Christians, have answers in the Bible that everything we see is designed.
@eduardtube1980 You are just claiming stuff again.. If you can't prove any of your absurd claims why even bother arguing? Give me some links. You're not going to convince anyone who has actually done even basic research on the subject.
Read some books, online articles, watch some youtube videos on abiogenesis and the big bang (which by the way, doesn't attempt to explain it's own origin, just the fact the the universe seems to be expanding, meaning it had a singular point once upon a time).
@eduardtube1980 You simply have a common misconception of abiogenesis. I can see it in the words you use "random amino acids"???? They aren't "random". Have you even tried to learn the subject??
Just type in the youtube or google search bar: "abiogenesis" and start trying to learn what abiogenesis ACTUALLY proposes. Don't get your info from creationist sources. Just like how I've actually read the bible, I expect you to actually learn the theory of abiogenesis.
@eduardtube1980 what dawkins mean is that it's even more possible for our life on earth to start by being planted by aliens than that a god of un-measureable entity to have created it.
the dna isnt composed of amino acid and it didnt came together randomly. look for the Abiogenesis video by the user of the video. it explains better than i can
"Sadly... 99.98% of scientists accept evolution", and "there are four times more historians which believed the holocaust did no happened". Yes, because that is the number of scientists & historians that will suffer the wrath of God when the Armageddon comes. Very sad indeed. :(
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d.n.a is information. information has to come from a source. scientists presents proof of intelligent design part 1-7 . natural selection isnt possible, watch the evidence. love you all. darwinism was held onto by new world order leaders and now being pushed in government schools. think about it, if ppl believe they exist by chance they would be much easier to control and pass phony laws in, statutory law is all used to make money for the state ur from. common law is the law of the ppl
@odinata touche haha!! theres a difference between creationist religion bullshit and scientific intelligent design, we know we evolved, but not by chance, u silly billy.
DNA is considered by some to meet the criteria of Shannon information. However, there are other natural examples that fit the same criteria and require no "source."
When you stop lying to yourself, you'll be able to stop lying to everyone else.
David Wilcock has nothing to support his assertions.
He has a BA in Psychology and no other scientific credentials to speak of and no accomplishments other than operating a suicide hotline for a few years and producing paranormal-type films, effectively selling magic beans to gullible believers.
Labyrinthodonts (e.g., Pholidogaster, Pteroplax) -- still have some icthyostegid features, but have lost many of the fish features (e.g., the fin rays are gone, vertebrae are stronger and interlocking, the nasal passage for air intake is well defined.)
evolution theory is not science but pure speculation. For a scale to become a feather, there should have been numerous transistional forms yet there is not one.
To watch solely a dog, and say this didn't evolve into a cat, therefore evolution is not real is a logical fallacy, however to watch 8.7 million species over hundreds of years, according to the theory, we would have seen one evolve by now. We have been studying this for long enough and studying enough species to have proven evolution by now.
D1fF3ReNT 1 week ago
Evolution is a proven scientific fact. Creatures in an environment evolve through the process of natural selection to fit into their environment. This is a survival mechanism and is a proven fact. Dogs don't suddenly turn into cats. Evolution doesn't work that way. Maybe the person woh posted this creationist nonsense shoud take a biology class.
Cainkane1 1 month ago
The hair changes every time. Bam!
bazzookafromop 1 month ago
There is intelligent design everywhere. But if you're dumb, deaf and blind..
Metsada007 1 month ago
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@surferdjr
« the genes in speciation has been proven by your beloved science to have far less groups than the original species they deviated from »
No, it hasn't. How do you feel about having to make stuff up in order to defend your beliefs? Do you feel good about that? Does that make you feel comfortable with your beliefs?
XGralgrathor 2 months ago
@surferdjr By all means, provide a link to all this ground-breaking research that shows that speciation is the result of a chronic loss of genetic information, and preferably not an article from a religiously or politically orientated propaganda website.
By duplicating and then changing the product of a gene to something that wasn't previously a feature, you are 'adding' to, or at least 'changing' the genetic information of an organism. This is something that drives speciation.
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr Having an education in a subject tends to give you sturdier ground to stand on when discussing its advanced elements. Evolutionary genetics is a hard and complex topic. When someone with no education or background in an advanced science claims they can tear an entire theory down because of such an 'obvious' gaping hole that thousands of those who spend decades researching the subject have mysteriously overlooked, then it's usually because they're just not getting something.
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr Ah, of course, when a vast scientific consensus does not happen to fit your worldview, cry "conspiracy!” No, I'm sorry to tell you that the reason why the vast, vast majority of biologists, geologists, palaeontologists and palaeobiologists do not believe in the strict 6 day creation myth of your religion (and all the others) is because it's, well, ridiculous. It boldly contradicts almost everything we know about the natural world, including some basic common sense.
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr (2) Either: A. There's a whopping great obvious hole in the genetics of Evolution that every evolutionary biologist and millions of geneticists have mysteriously overlooked these many decades, or B. You and other creationists (the vast majority of which have no credentials in biology) simply don't understand the genetics behind evolutionary processes. I'm tempted to think B.
"Evolutionist now Christian". You are aware that most 'Evolutionists' are *also* Christians, right?
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr (1) Speciation IS Evolution. It's the process behind how new species arise. "They can't interbreed anymore due to a smaller gene pool". Gene pool size (*variety* of genetic characteristics) does not define species and does not necessarily affect breeding.
When a population undergoes speciation, it's not that it has 'fewer genes', therefore cannot interbreed with other populations, it's that the changes acquired through cumulative mutation prevent chromosomal pairing.
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr (2) See "nature(dot com)/scitable/topicpage/origins-of-new-genes-and-pseudogenes-835" for an introduction to the origins of new genes.
The genesis of new genetic 'information' is a fairly well understood process and plenty of research on this can be found in the peer reviewed scientific journals. It really isn't something contested in science, only in creationist internet gossip. If you want accurate information about something, start with respected sources.
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr (1) The only thing separating 'macro' and 'micro' evolution is time scale. Over many generations cumulative genetic changes can become so great that two diverging populations can no longer interbreed. This is speciation, a phenomenon that has been observed and documented in dozens of instances both in the lab and in nature. (cont.)
FactThis 2 months ago
@surferdjr Mutation can and does add new 'information' to the genome. For instance, a mutation may result in an allele that codes for grey feathers instead of black, creating a different phenotype. Something has now appeared that wasn't there before; this is what we call 'new'.
"Cross a donkey with a mule you get an ass". Smooth. An 'ass' is a male donkey.
Mule infertility is down to the difficulties of chromosome pairing due to inherited species differences, not "mutation".
FactThis 2 months ago
Carbon dating does not work, u cannot tell what the weather was like 60 billions years ago by carbon built up on a rock, do u think u can?
favoredbythee 3 months ago
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@favoredbythee you stupid fuck
CakesnakeFilms 3 months ago
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@favoredbythee
You don't have a clue what carbon dating is, do you?
odinata 3 months ago
jeeeezzzz... that damn Darwin theory is totally fake. DARWIN SAID IT HIMSELF, a while after his first monkey-human theory. no comment, please.
GuardianAngelFanga 4 months ago
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@GuardianAngelFanga Get some education. Your comment makes no sense.
fire112germany 3 months ago
@GuardianAngelFanga Sorry but if you are going to make factually inaccurate statements - they WILL get corrected. The more that Darwin studied it the more he was convinced.
Currently the scientific community accepts it as one of the most thoroughly demonstrated scientific theories there is. Evidence includes (e.g.) Biogeography, Fossils, DNA & Proteins, Palaeontology, Homologies & Anatomy, Physiology, Taxonomy, Vestigiality, Models & Simulation, Richard Lenski “E Coli” Experiment.
EvolutionAtheist 3 months ago
@EvolutionAtheist i dont understand ur quabbling, but believe whatever ya wanna believe, but i am never gonna change my fucking mind about that Darwin Theory.
GuardianAngelFanga 3 months ago
How do explain person hood, reason and morality? We are personal and spiritual creatures. Did reason come from a reasonable beaning. I respect your
choice not to believe. But, please respect mine to believe. Thank you. Hallie.
hallie5309 4 months ago
@hallie5309 i will respect your stupity. good on ya
kram83au 3 months ago
@eduardtube1980 If intelligent design is true then why are there so many faults in many living things? I'm not talking about things that happen due to environmental factors, but things we and other organisms are 'born' with.
someitalian 4 months ago
@AlanYugi9689 The egyptians believed in many Gods. Many with heads of beasts. I suppose they were wrong and your God is right? You can't both be right. But considering you say they were smarter than us, then they must be right?
someitalian 4 months ago
@achilles197474 I think the time line is a lot longer than you think....
someitalian 4 months ago
@bvsandman If there was such a flood, much of the marine life would not have survived. All the coral reefs would have died, and also the shallow tidal areas that are nurseries for so many fish. During a flood, the sun could not reach and power life, therefore all the coral reefs would have died and everything that relies on them. Unless they had corals on the ark with specially designed tanks...
someitalian 4 months ago
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@bvsandman 'Theory' in this case means.....'1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena'.
Stop using that lame excuse that 'it's only a theory'. Find out what it means first
someitalian 4 months ago
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someitalian 4 months ago
Dead marine animals often get buried in limestone and fossilize, that's no proof it happened 60 billion years ago
favoredbythee 4 months ago
@favoredbythee No, it's not.
The numerous and effective scientific dating-methods, however, DO provide the proof that they fossilized billions of years ago.
I can see, just through your words, that you have no knowledge of dating methods and judge them with a false assumption that scientists simply dig up a fossil and say "Well this looks pretty old. 4.6 (not 60) billion years sounds good."
Sorry to say, however, that is not how it works.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
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@favoredbythee
Name ONE fossil that is claimed to be fossilized 60 billion years ago.
odinata 4 months ago
@favoredbythee That's why we have methods such as carbon dating and absolute dating to figure out just how long ago did those animals die. Look up more information on those two methods (there are more, mind you).
Jandeku 4 months ago
One the problems of religion is that it relies on unreliable sources. Science is a reliable means of reaching conclusions on the basis repeatable experience (empiricism). Religion is based on the "revelation" by a specific man in a specific location in history and geography. Scientific research is based empirical experimentation that can be repeated wherever you live. Religion is subjective and therefore limited by cultural circumstance. Many religions have come and gone but science will remain.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris science proves religion...trust me in a medical student..i became more of a christian in med school. No freaking way this happened by chance buddy...btw we use the christian calendar, more proof than other about christianity, things in the bible that are happening in todays world, seeing sick people get healed, trust me its hard to believe but it happens.
sammyjs1983 4 months ago
@sammyjs1983 I do believe prayer works. But not because there is a god to pray but because positive thinking improves your health. It is a psychological thing. There is a difference between me (an atheist) and Hitchens (an antitheist). It would be great if there was an entity looking after your best interests and only wanted to improve your happiness. I once believed that. But by my later experiences I could no longer support that narrative. I am not special and my life story isn't special.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@sammyjs1983 How does science prove religion?
Also, the "christian calendar" we use has nothing to do with religion (even if it was a pope that introduced it). It was the result of mathematical studies to figure out how many days it takes for the Earth to complete a cycle (year). If it was a religious thing, we'd be using the modern calendar since the Bible was written, and not just since the 16th century, when someone sat down to do the maths. Just my two cents on the matter.
Jandeku 4 months ago
lame
JohnnyBlade68 4 months ago
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@bvsandman That said, the bible also mentioned talking animals, impossible floods, people rising from the dead, walking on water, parting seas and other thing that are highly improbable now, let alone thousands of years ago to primitive civilisations. The reason we believe pyramids can be built is because we've empirically tested them, other evidence supports them and a whole host of research and peer review; the Bible and Creationism have yet to pass such testing...
TheBanile 4 months ago
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"All the evidence available in the biological sciences supports the core proposition of traditional natural theology--that the cosmos is a specially designed whole with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose, a whole in which all facets of reality, from the size of galaxies to the thermal capacity of water, have their meaning and explanation in this central fact."(p. 389) - Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton
achilles197474 4 months ago
I'm not even finished watching and I am astonished that this perfect analogy is not used as a rebuttal everywhere the ludicrous crocoduck argument rears its scaly head.
thabood 4 months ago
That's usually what happens once you actually start using your brian. :)
Arlunce 4 months ago
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He's atheist now. Watch "Why I am no longer Christian."
Arlunce 4 months ago
I've never seen a dog turn into a cat. But I have seen a fire lizard turn into a fire dragon! Creationism... It's just as plausible as Pokemon.
skywize 4 months ago
Pretty good vid actually.
redddbaron 5 months ago
did you know t rexs are basically giant chickens
jplb96 5 months ago
@EternaISkeptic7 "According to evolution anything can happen" Nope, you again show that you do not understand what it is you are arguing against. Why is with you creationists you are so ignorant of what you don't accept or simply like lying for the hell of it.
mtbee9 5 months ago
@EternaISkeptic7 I'll be happy to report/block her :D Clone me all she wants, it makes no difference.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@EternaISkeptic7 Evolution isnt a religion, its Fact.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago 8
@Phunnypickle Theory, get it right.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman Ummm, no, there is proof of evolution, Show me some proof of God.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago 6
@Phunnypickle Adaptation is not evolution. Unless it's completely changing species, how is it evolving? It's not...
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman There goes that creationist once again when someone asks for proof of god, and they once again change the subject. I'm done talking to you, have a nice day.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@Phunnypickle I'm not creationist. Either way, what kind of evidence? What suits you may not suit me, vice versa.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman i respect your opinion though highly disagree with it.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@Phunnypickle Although you may think why would a God let all these things happen to people, I wouldn't do it. I look at it as if I was a God and I created what I believe he did, I wouldn't step in unless I have to. Even then I would let my creation handle it. What would be the point of making something like this if you're always gonna step in to help.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman thats not the way i look at it. I look at it as Religion is bullshit. If you actually believe in that stuff, you are holding us back as a society. Imagine how much we, as a world could get accomplished without religious bullshit. Didnt i say i was done talking to you? have a nice day.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@Phunnypickle Most of religion is bullshit, there are a lot of historical facts and artifacts within the bible and such. Not all of Jesus' teachings have been used, people use slanderous terms to people that don't think like they do. Remember, who's charities have given the most? That's right religious. Converting is beside the point, they still build schools, raise money for the poor, feed the poor, and bring Jesus to cultures. You seem very upset about this.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman They also cause wars, Take billions of dollars and dont need to pay taxes, cause terrorism, and imagine all those jobs that could be made if we took religion out of the picture. we would actually develop as a species without religion. Relgion was made up alonnnnnggg time ago when there was lots of stuff wrong with this world. People needed hope, and that was how they got it.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@bvsandman That is the stem of religion, and thats all there is too it, there was never a god, and there will never be a god. Face the facts people.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@Phunnypickle No, YOU think that's all there is too it. It's funny though, I think it takes more faith to ASSUME that a singularity that was smaller than an atom was just "there" and it exploded into this whole universe.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman Your right, the odds are slim, but hey, it happened!!! what are the chances of anything in the bible actually happening? thats right. 0.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
@Phunnypickle The Bible has many historical facts, archaeology, time lines etc. Besides how are you any different from what you're arguing? "It happened", right? With only theories and no proof of it happening. The bible has many other truths. I'm sure you believe the ancient people could build pyramids and build other great wonders that we can't even fathom of making. Yet they're stupid and uneducated when they see something Holy. Nice logic.
bvsandman 4 months ago
@bvsandman u r funny!
Phunnypickle 4 months ago
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TheBanile 4 months ago
@TheBanile Yet there were flood stories from every culture in the Middle East/ Asia.
bvsandman 4 months ago
@bvsandman
the middle east can be easily discounted here as every culture & religion from the region was somehow influenced or based on a previously existing one. as for asia ... well who on earth would ever come flood-story in an area yearly revisited by the monsoon?
Medhiv83 4 months ago
@Medhiv83 Discounted? Lol, yet no one has. The point is, every culture has a story of major floods near the same time. Whether it was a "world" flood is arguable.
bvsandman 4 months ago
@bvsandman
No argument.
There is no evidence for a worldwide flood.
odinata 4 months ago
@odinata how come they found fish fossils at the top of mt everest?
TheOneAndOnlyRebekka 4 months ago
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@TheOneAndOnlyRebekka
What fish?
Cite your source please.
odinata 4 months ago
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@TheOneAndOnlyRebekka
Hello? Rebekka? If there aren't actually "fish fossils at the top of mt everest", then your question isn't really valid, is it?
odinata 4 months ago
@TheOneAndOnlyRebekka Because the rock that forms Everest was once below the sea. The land was uplifted as the Indian and Eurasian plates collided; creating the Himalayan range and thrusting this rock upward (the land is still rising today at a measurable rate). The top of Everest consists of limestone, a rock that forms slowly in shallow seas. Dead marine organisms often get buried and fossilised as the calcium carbonate sediment is deposited over many years.
FactThis 4 months ago
@bvsandman
Scientific theory is fact--thousands of facts.
Foxes are related to wolves.
odinata 5 months ago
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I have ONE youtube account.
How many does this sock puppet have?
Clone?
EternalSkeptic7 IS a clone of EternalSkeptic77
odinata 5 months ago
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odinata 5 months ago
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Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
achilles197474 5 months ago
What's the name of the song? It's the only thing unclear to me about the video.
ZeerosFate 5 months ago
doesn't really explain...if i hadn't read all the dawkins books i might not be able to follow..but the mudskipper was cool...fx
fredgold57 5 months ago
doesn't really explain...if i hadn't read all the dawkins books i might not be able to follow..but the mudskipper was cool...fx
fredgold57 5 months ago
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praise be to the poop tossing monkey! glory be to the name of the smelly buttlicker that shall clean anothers ass with its mouth!...we MUST praise the almighty invisible missing link, missing information and all of the glowing inconsistencies involved in our religeon! as an athiest, i want to thank santa, the easter bunny, tooth fairy, alah, and i bow to the worship of the missing "monkeyman skull fragment i need to prove evolution! holy be the MM's name! blessed be the turd tosser!
solinari399 5 months ago
I was going to like this video but then i found out you were religious
Triipticz 5 months ago
you begin with Micro evolution this is proven, small changes within a kind. yet you end in Macro evolution telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind which is not proven and the missing link for that is not found yet.
kirbyphanphan 5 months ago
@kirbyphanphan
So you don't feel that foxes are related to wolves?
odinata 5 months ago
@odinata
Hi wildwoodclaire1 aka foxlake02 etc
Why did you say " snakes are fish" ?
hahahahahahahahahahah
Why do you use so many accounts to troll?
You are funny claire.
hahahahahahahahaha
WildCatsKitten1 5 months ago
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@WildCatsKitten1
Check the tubes, socktroll.
I've been posting for days.
odinata 5 months ago
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@kirbyphanphan
So you don't feel that foxes are related to wolves?
odinata 5 months ago
« telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind »
No, in fact macro-evolution is *not* evolution "outside of its own kind." Species that emerge from existing species always remain part of the clade they emerged from. Birds are still dinosaurs. Humans are still apes. Apes and dinosaurs are still tetrapods. Tetrapods and insects are still animals. Animals and plants are still eukaryota.
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
@XGralgrathor
"Birds are still dinosaurs. Humans are still apes. Apes and dinosaurs are still tetrapods"
And you are still full of shit.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
WildCatsKitten1 5 months ago
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« telling that over a long period of time any animal can evolve outside of its own kind »
No, in fact macro-evolution is *not* evolution "outside of its own kind." Species that emerge from existing species always remain part of the clade they emerged from. Birds are still dinosaurs. Humans are still apes. Apes and dinosaurs are still tetrapods. Tetrapods and insects are still animals. Animals and plants are still eukaryota.
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
God isnt real. Religion is bullshit.
Phunnypickle 5 months ago
I'm not from this planet and I can't comprehend how you have people who deny evolution..I mean cmon.. Chromosomal fusion, chromosome 2, endogenous retroviruses, intermediate fossils, its plain and clear! Whats going on here? ITS FUCKING IRREFUTABLE! Its tangible rational testable science. What kind of mind wouldnt accept it?....what? Whats this you say? God? Virgin birth? Talking snake? 6 thousand year old earth? God created everything in its present form?..............you pathetic, sad humans..
Johnf85 5 months ago
@Johnf85 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, sorry, all I read was your bullshit. Too funny.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman
What you can't seem to do is prove the talking snake caused a fruit sin mortality to sweep over the universe......
odinata 5 months ago
@odinata Who said anything about universal sin? I didn't, also super natural is not deterred by the "scientific method" it's a fail one at that.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman
You brought up "bullshit"....
odinata 5 months ago
@odinata I brought up bullshit for the fact that he's calling himself a non human and the fact that we have no proof of aliens. Grainy BS pictures, with horrible easily doctored video doesn't count.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman
We have no proof of talking snakes, rib-woman, fish sleeping bag, Noah's boat...
B.S. is everywhere...
odinata 5 months ago 2
@odinata The scientific method is used for things we can physically test, only cause we can't test them doesn't mean they don't exist. Look at the quantum physics, Noah's boat has been found, in mountains controlled by the government in the middle east. Talking snakes? Well if it was controlled by the devil then there's no way of really saying it didn't happen. People have personal experiences where the demons talk to them and such. You assume it's BS cause you already have a negative perception
bvsandman 5 months ago
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@bvsandman "Noah's boat has been found"
no it hasn't, A SHIP was found in turkey but there is no evidence to support it being the ark, a group of "Evangelical explorers" found a ship and claimed it was the ark because it had compartments which they assumed were for different animals lol,
bigmanoooo1 5 months ago
@bvsandman "Noah's boat has been found, in mountains controlled by the government in the middle east."
Gotta love you fundies... When i'm feeling down i just have to google you guys to have a laugh!
costa200 5 months ago
@costa200 Well, how do know it's not? That was in an area were the flood happened. Not everyone who believes in the Bible is a fundie. Your maturity doesn't surprise me. Most atheists think they are smarter yet all they do is listen to third party bullshit by other atheists and say SEE THIS IS PROOF! Get off your high horse.
bvsandman 5 months ago
@bvsandman Please do listen to yourselves... The government is keeping noah's ark in mountains in the middle east? Can you sound more nuts? And "the flood"? Are you kidding me? Contrary to you bozos i actually work in this scientific field. There was no flood as described in the bible. There is zero evidence for it.
costa200 5 months ago
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God didn't make us in his image. We made God in our image.
marfg12345 6 months ago
THE BOTTOM LINE, There is a God. And a Satan. Satan is what makes people confuse or doubt that there is a God. Now to continue believing that there is NO God, is logically believing in Satan. Its PLAIN and SIMPLE. All that is not from God will be removed and the rest will remain. Science is just a tool to observe God's creation, not against it. Why many people don't believe in God? Bec. it is written in the Bible that only few will find the way to God and will be Saved. I pray your one of them.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 Prove it.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta what kind of proof will you accept?
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 The standard for scientific evidence.. Basically, give me something observable that proves the high probability of that specific theory.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 jesus was not the son of god and the bible was written by mere men. anything else is just a myth. that's THE BOTTOM LINE, fool.
fixedgearplanet 5 months ago
It's an Amphibian you..... They live on water and land. You have micro and macro evolution in the same category. You are Scientifically off. Go read some more and not internet videos either.
giovanone 6 months ago
We are not the descendants of apes, we ARE apes, we are all African apes.
Genetics and the fossils prove it; I accept it; that settles it.
northoforacle 6 months ago
Not one black baby :)
wtf? lol jk
ComboCory 6 months ago
@odinata yes, that's exactly what the people of Noah's time before the flood, the people of sodom and gomorrah and the people of babylon thought the warnings will not happen until it came to consume them all. Very sad indeed.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980
You just can't seem to turn your religious fiction into fact.
Sorry dumbass.
You lose.
odinata 6 months ago
@odinata Let's just wait and see. :)
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980
It's already done.
You're just a cultist.
odinata 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 You think god is real? Prove it.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
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eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta my friend, look around you, everything is a product of an Intelligent Designer. Whether it is living or non-living. From the smallest particle of matter, to the vast heavenly objects in outside our planet, everything follows the laws of nature. In human terms, no law exists without a law giver. Same goes with the laws of gravity, electomagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces which, without these laws, life, even the stars and the galaxies could not possibly exist. God Bless.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 "everything is a product of an Intelligent Designer." A claim like that is going to need some evidence.
"no law exists without a law giver." That's another very absurd claim. What makes you think this? A claim like that is going to need evidence too.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta evidence is all around you my friend. Our Universe follows the laws of nature as discovered by a lot of scientists like Newton, Einstein etc is a direct proof that everything is designed. Even Richard Dawkins believes that the Cell is a product of Intelligent design simply because random amino acids cannot bind together to make complex proteins or RNA which is formed by the code embedded in the DNA. The DNA, like a source code to a computer program is product of intelligent design.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 You haven't proved that the laws of nature came from an intelligent design. How is that a more probable explanation than natural causes (when natural causes have proven everything else in our world, and intelligent design hasn't proven anything that isn't artificial or made instinctively by creatures).
Richard Dawkins beleives that the cell is a product of intelligent design?? Prove that as well please.
You seem to make a lot of unproven claims.. I'm still waiting on that proof
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta The proof that the laws of nature is a product of intelligent design is because the laws can be represented by perfect mathematical formulas. The laws of gravitation, elecromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear force that all governs the bonds and movements of atoms that makes all the known elements.
Watch Ben Stein with Richard on this interview, watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc&feature=related. Watch his answers on questions about creation of the universe and the origin of life starting at 2:30.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 Yeah I've already seen that interview multiple times in the past. You still haven't made the connection between "laws of physics exist" to "therefor, it was intelligently designed". Even if it WAS, we'd have a new problem; "an intelligent designer exists" "therefor IT must have an intelligent designer as well".
Why do you beleive they were intelligently designed as apposed to they always existed, or they spontaneously appeared (there were no laws to prevent it)?
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta The question of who designed the designer is absurd. That is where humans fail to understand and acknowledge the Creator of the Universe. God is infinite, all powerful and exists beyond the realm of matter, space and time. Otherwise, there will be no universe at all. Even astronomers know that matter and life could not possibly exists if the physical constants were slightly different from what they are now. That concludes that the universe, and earth is fine-tuned for life.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 So everything must be created, EXCEPT FOR GOD?? You don't provide any evidence supporting why god is an exception to that rule. If god doesn't need to be created, then that means he's not part of 'every-thing'. And if he is not a 'thing', then he is 'no-thing'. According to your theory, god is nothing, ie he does not exist.
If some things can exist without being created (like god, as you propose), then why not beleive matter/energy could just exist without being created?
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta A very interesting logic you have there my friend. "If god doesn't need to be created, then that means he's not part of 'every-thing'. And if he is not a 'thing', then he is 'no-thing'." That is, according to human logic, or should I say, according to YOU? God does not depend on our logic to prove He exists because the proof is already "everything" we see as well as the forces we don't see. As they are proven to be perfectly tuned to permit intelligent life, like you & me. God Bless!
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 The existence of everything only proves the existence of everything. You fail to make a connection between that and there being a god. I could just as easily say that the proof for the flying speghetti monster is everything we see and the forces we don't see. The countless other religious beleifs have the exact same amount of evidence as you do (zero).
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 "God does not depend on our logic to prove" What a great way to trick the weak minded into beleiving. "He's there, but don't try to verify it for yourself; it won't work." You could say that about anything, that doesn't make it true.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta "What a great way to trick the weak minded into beleiving." Isn't that true? That we are all weak? Not just mentally, but also physically, emotionally and morally. We age, get sick and die. We make mistakes, we get in to temptations, we can't cure all diseases, we can't resolve world conflicts as we can't attain wold peace! All are manifestations of imperfections. Why does all these things are happening? All of these are answered in the Bible my friend. Science can only help us much.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 Science helps a lot more than the bible does. We may not be perfect, but we can try our best. Now, when trying our best, do we pray for sick to get better? Or do we take it upon ourselves and rely on SCIENCE to treat our ill?
The constant strive for truth that science provides is what has made our society so advanced. It's far from perfect, but it's much closer than it was back when primitive supersticious paranormal beleifs were relied on to help us and our people.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta
It's interesting you should mention the point that humans were primitive thousands or millions of years ago. Regardless of how long it is, it's interesting that ancient civilizations, like the mayans and egyptians, are actually MUCH more intelligent than we are. We still don't know how the pyramids were built despite all our advances in science and technology, we can't duplicate what a few millenia old civilization did, so much for us being primitive in the past...continued
AlanYugi9689 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta
So let's say we "evolved" a few million years ago, and eventually you had your first ancient civilizations of man that were very intelligent. Isn't it strange how we became less intelligent? I have no doubt in my mind that if the ancient egyptians had our scientific knowledge now in their time, they would be centuries, if not millennia, ahead of us.
AlanYugi9689 6 months ago
@AlanYugi9689 Wait.. what? How did we become less intelligent?? And the intelligence of man developped gradually..
Yes if the ancient egyptians had our scientific knowledge now back then they probably would have advanced it a lot since.. What's your point?
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta
Well, seeing as if the ancient egyptians had our knowledge of science (medical, biological, etc) they would've been a lot more advanced than us in all those fields, and would require us centuries, if not millennia, to reach to their level of knowledge. In that respect, our knowledge is actually less than what it was in ancient times, seeing as the egyptians are more advanced than us in several ways, one being how the pyramids were built.
AlanYugi9689 6 months ago
@AlanYugi9689 Just because we don't understand how exactly they built the pyramids doesn't mean they had more knowledge than us.. Yeah, if we had a pyramid building competition and had to use nothing but their tools, they'd probably win.. But we're more knowledgable in the millions of other areas.
We're talking about IF's here.. IF they were smarter than us, yeah, they'd be smarter than us.. But they weren't actually. What's your point?
I really don't see what this has to do with evolution..
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta ive asked that same question science wants us to believe life can come from non living material and that the big bang came from absolutely nothing... so i ask. well why cant a god do the same thing? this is a huge contradiction in science which makes me believe there is a higher agenda at work. if science cant except god came from nothing then i cant except the universe coming from nothing.
therealistone2003 6 months ago
@therealistone2003 Actually science doesn't want us to beleive the big bang came from nothing.. I don't know where you got that from. Scientists still don't know what happened before the big bang, they just know that it happened. All the big bang theory explains is how our surrounding universe moves and based on that it was all in the same position approximately 13.7 billions years ago...
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@therealistone2003 And abiogenesis has already been proven (it's possible for life to come from non life), although how DNA originally developped is still unknown.. But scientists are working on it.. Assuming it was a supernatural being is the last thing any respectable scientist would do.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta please provide proof because pasteur already proved that this is not possible and the miler urey experiment has never produced any life ever. so provide proof and i will provide proof that god exist
therealistone2003 6 months ago
@therealistone2003
A science experiment simulating the early conditions of the earth showed a living material called RNA forming from non-living material and replicating itself: wired . com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
There are actually quite a bit of informative videos right here on youtube explaining abiogenesis in further detail: youtube . com/results?search_query=abiogenesis&aq=f
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
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DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@therealistone2003 Where is your proof the god exists? DaFleegsta gave you his...Tom Cech won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1989 for doing it ! Let;s see you great evidence..
pontecanis 5 months ago
@eduardtube1980 If god can be infinite, then matter/energy can also be infinite. Unless you prove why god gets an exception to that rule.
And no, if the physical constants were slightly different, THEY WOULDNT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
There are tons that we don't know. But lets accept that we don't know and keep trying to figure it out. Lets frown upon people pretending to know things based on no evidence, since it discourages TRUE discovery which could potentially help us in the future.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 And richard dawkins doesn't "beleive that the Cell is a product of Intelligent design" like you claimed. The video clearly shows that he admits the POSSIBILITY that a cell may APPEAR to have been intelligently designed (likely from a designer in another part of the universe). Claiming a possibility is in no way claiming to know, it's actually the exact opposite. All that proves is that dawkins isn't ignorant.
But we haven't found that 'signature of intelligent design' in a cell.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@DaFleegsta The signature of ID in the cell is the DNA found in all living creatures. There is no evidence that random amino acids can form meaningful information such as DNA. Another one is the Fibonacci numbers found in both living and non-living things. Dawkin's statement of the possibility of the cell to be intelligently designed by an alien life form is Ignorance, as defined by "Lack of knowledge or information". We Christians, have answers in the Bible that everything we see is designed.
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 You are just claiming stuff again.. If you can't prove any of your absurd claims why even bother arguing? Give me some links. You're not going to convince anyone who has actually done even basic research on the subject.
Read some books, online articles, watch some youtube videos on abiogenesis and the big bang (which by the way, doesn't attempt to explain it's own origin, just the fact the the universe seems to be expanding, meaning it had a singular point once upon a time).
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 You simply have a common misconception of abiogenesis. I can see it in the words you use "random amino acids"???? They aren't "random". Have you even tried to learn the subject??
Just type in the youtube or google search bar: "abiogenesis" and start trying to learn what abiogenesis ACTUALLY proposes. Don't get your info from creationist sources. Just like how I've actually read the bible, I expect you to actually learn the theory of abiogenesis.
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980 what dawkins mean is that it's even more possible for our life on earth to start by being planted by aliens than that a god of un-measureable entity to have created it.
the dna isnt composed of amino acid and it didnt came together randomly. look for the Abiogenesis video by the user of the video. it explains better than i can
72dew 5 months ago
"Sadly... 99.98% of scientists accept evolution", and "there are four times more historians which believed the holocaust did no happened". Yes, because that is the number of scientists & historians that will suffer the wrath of God when the Armageddon comes. Very sad indeed. :(
eduardtube1980 6 months ago
@eduardtube1980
There arn't a signifigant number of historians who deny the holocaut.
Evolution is a demonstrable fact--yes, foxes and wolves share a common ancestor.
Your religious opinions and hand wringing about your story book end of the world isn't going to happen. Sorry.
odinata 6 months ago
Evolution is real because I have seen a creationist turn into an Atheist.
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1234lilmama1 7 months ago
d.n.a is information. information has to come from a source. scientists presents proof of intelligent design part 1-7 . natural selection isnt possible, watch the evidence. love you all. darwinism was held onto by new world order leaders and now being pushed in government schools. think about it, if ppl believe they exist by chance they would be much easier to control and pass phony laws in, statutory law is all used to make money for the state ur from. common law is the law of the ppl
10bhave 7 months ago
@10bhave
"natural selection isnt possible"
And yet it happens EVERY time some woman chooses not to fuck you.....
odinata 7 months ago 46
@odinata touche haha!! theres a difference between creationist religion bullshit and scientific intelligent design, we know we evolved, but not by chance, u silly billy.
10bhave 7 months ago
@10bhave
Biology NEVER claimed that evolution is a matter of chance.....
u stupid fucker.........
odinata 7 months ago
@odinata One of the funniest comments I've seen on YouTube. Thanks for the laugh.
pchtermino1 7 months ago
@10bhave
DNA is considered by some to meet the criteria of Shannon information. However, there are other natural examples that fit the same criteria and require no "source."
When you stop lying to yourself, you'll be able to stop lying to everyone else.
TheZooCrew 7 months ago
@TheZooCrew prophecies and science of a golden age, by david wilcock, watch and learn :)
10bhave 7 months ago
@10bhave
David Wilcock has nothing to support his assertions.
He has a BA in Psychology and no other scientific credentials to speak of and no accomplishments other than operating a suicide hotline for a few years and producing paranormal-type films, effectively selling magic beans to gullible believers.
TheZooCrew 7 months ago 2
Labyrinthodonts (e.g., Pholidogaster, Pteroplax) -- still have some icthyostegid features, but have lost many of the fish features (e.g., the fin rays are gone, vertebrae are stronger and interlocking, the nasal passage for air intake is well defined.)
odinata 7 months ago
evolution theory is not science but pure speculation. For a scale to become a feather, there should have been numerous transistional forms yet there is not one.
daogdaog 7 months ago