At the end of this year, there will be over 7 billion people on this planet that actively sleep at night. The one thing that all of them have in common is they are going to die. Now that might be somewhat morbid thought, I think it has some profound implications worth exploring. Maybe we should preserve their pillows and blankets so their loved ones can hug something instead of them when they die.
"1 billion people actively use social networking sites. The one thing they have in common is that they are all going to die... I find this profound..." After having quoted this I would like to say the following:
"6 billion people take shits. The one thing these people have in common is that they are all going to die. We should preserve the last shit everyone takes before they die and catalog it. This way we'll know the last things they ate. After all you are what you eat."
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It's just a paradox that fools the mind momentarily, and when you give it proper thought, it becomes obvious that no matter how life-like the digital copy of yourself is, at the end of the day, it's not you. Your digital mimic might "live on", but you have most certainly died. This sort of technology doesn't "mean anything for a definition of life and everything that comes after it", as he put it. If an invention of this sort comes to fruition, it will be nothing more than an elaborate illusion.
@CoN0R115 Maybe your right but consider this if a startrek like transporter were ever made would the transported only be a copy? It would argue otherwise. To take it a step further while you are alive you body and brain swap out structure and material molecules that encode your mind. This suggests that you are already a series of physical copies and that your mind is already just the information that resides in your brain. Yet we still argue that we are unique not mere copies.
>>> I agree that a hand full of tweets and facebook pics is not you. But crank up the resolution and scan copy your brain down to every synapse and nueron and the copy will argue forever that he is you and he will believe it....as much as you believe you are you right now despite having had many millions of molecules in your brain swaped out by your body throught your life. It looks like we are all copies already...information streams that believe they are unique...it may all be a self illusion
I imagine that some of us read books written by dead authors? We may be sad not to see a live person, but that's next best thing we can do. And it's not masochistic. Why not to interact with these books then? This idea is not about eternal life from dead person's first-person subjective experience. It is about attitude and messages that a person wants to leave to the ones who remain behind. It is for the rest of the world, as a gift, a creation. I think it's very human need to share with others.
Who the hell wants ME to be around forever? What a terrible idea! And, I think I am a pretty GOOD person. Imagine the number of assholes this might lead to eternal life -- oh no, sorry, not eternal life where they might make better choices, eternal life where they are ASSHOLES FOREVER. We must put a stop to this technology NOW. :)
I'm very interested in this line of thinking. It's very Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell, what-does-it-mean-to-be-human sort of thing. But the core of the problem for the individual and society does lie in the definition. Just even how he refers to information as "content" has this sort of consumerist implication to it. The same thing goes for people who may try to mystify the "soul", or the collective totality of a system or individual.
@KippurCatArts mistakes like that happen in your biological meat body all the time. You don't instantly drop dead just coz a single protein didn't fold right. Likewise a digital simulation would have enough redundancy to handle crc errors
I mean how true is this. Technology =/= life. In technology, there is a fine line between being beneficial and raiding personal privacy After I die, I definitely wouldn't want my loved ones to take charge of 'me' when I'm no longer in control
Social media makes people feel like celebrities. Facebook makes us more responsible for our lives, but it also makes us accountable to every single person why are we living the way we choose.
why the HELL would anyone want a creepily realistic AI hologram of their loved ones? that is messed up on so many levels... the simple fact is, we just need to accept death and non-existance. you and i WILL die and never come back, and it might even happen soon (or hundreds of years from now if we can learn to significantly slow the aging process). get used to the idea of non-existance and try to enjoy every breath you take, while you're still around.
@xjaskix One could also say that you should get used to the idea that one day technology will develop a way of living forever - with the redundancy required to survive all mishaps.
(eg: oh your body was vaporized in a supernova? We have a backup body ready for you several light years away - uploaded with all of your memories)
Is your fear of immortality, somehow more righteous than my fear of death?
Lets not play games of just who needs to accept what, ok.
some of these ideas are explored in a sci fi novel, The Quantum Thief (Hannu Rajaniemi). themes of who we are, and does our memory mean the same as our soul. interesting to put together considering software Artificial Intelligence. on a tangent, it was funny that the voice for ifIDie.net sounded like an odd Schwarzenegger impression.
if Will i am was the first hologram broadcast we should all be more worried the black eyed peas will continue to perform in perpetuity, bringing the end of civilization as we know it, thanks to this.
The part of the dead journalists last post reminded me that a friend of mine, who died 2 years ago, last Last.fm scrobble was Jeff Buckley – Last Goodbye
I think there are two sides one could implement this idea:
1. Artificially prolong the life of people using their digital traces or
2. Use the data to create a digital memorial or archive
An archive is emotionally very valuable and has always existed in some form or another. However, I would be very concerned if people could not accept my death. ~Oh poor human who is reduced to a producer of digital content.
this is interesting, reminds me of Star Wars... its a completely different look at the world of internally projected interactions... it does boil down to a weird philosophical question.. would the final digital copy of a being be worth the investment into it? how should we view such novelties along side the true being? where does this put respect for the being?.... im curios if anyone would pay for the idea in beta or early phases
Wow..so much fear here clouding judgement. You people will be sadly surprised when you realize the direction that science and technology are going to take mortality and consciousness.
Death is a natural part of the journey of life. Though it may be possible to have a hologram of a loved one after the have pases on, in my opinion it would be much healthier and wholesome exercise to practice letting go of loved ones, rather then becoming obessed with a creation that can never match up to the people they represent.
My only problem with that is my online persona(as my real life) evolves and changes. What I wrote on LiveJournal three years ago, isn't me today. It was me, it was my past. Once I die, that's all my online content will be, the past. Technology can't determine how I will or would have(when I die) change. At least I hope it won't be able to. That's when the robots will take over, right?
This is the false deconstruction of humanity into bite size pieces so that people can feel like they understand themselves. Meanwhile... all meaning and purpose is lost...THAT will be the future for some if people are not careful.
I think that the hard sciences such as neurology are already aimed at accomplishing something like this but better. The soft social sciences would just create a digital cold reading machine. Training a computer to act like one of those charlatan television psychics. "I'm parsing the data now. Your wife says heaven is as ill as spring break in cabo. She's with all her BFFs. She no longer misses Scruffy. She loves you and forgives you for looking at that hoochie in 2016."
The idea that anyone can be broken down and turned into an AI based on a few "sound bite" sized posts and tweets it pretty absurd, especially when you consider that most people don't do all those things. Not everyone has facebook. Not everyone is going to google+. Not everyone tweets.
Personally, I'm sick of social networking and hope that it all just dies because people finally figure out that it's just not worth the time to see what the guy from one class in college did at a party.
What utter bs... You can't create a realistic representation of a living, breathing, THINKING human being based on a few thousand or even a few million pieces of content they posted somewhere.
this is all DATA on the net. extremly volerable for deleting. any wise bloger should also print his good posts just in case. but i don't see what's the big idea here.
@drorjs apparently his idea is that using all the data a person leaves behind you can extrapolate a personality like in william gibson's neuromancer or babylon 5.
Very intriguing idea. All the haters around here didn't get the main point of his lecture. He's proposing more of a philosophical question, rather than a futuristic sci-fi bullshit -- the point is what 'life' and 'death' means when we can live 'forever' digitally.
when it comes to the meaning of 'life' and 'death', how will a dead person's twitter feed be any different than a dead person's tombstone, or a dead person's memory in the minds of those who knew them, or dead person's donation plaque at some museum, or a dead person's name (or story) in a textbook, or other media?
though, if more meaning in life would be: people being able to experience a virtual/holographic living history of a limited side of a loved/important person composed of quantified data--that would be cool. while not the whole story, it's better than nothing?
@dfactory I think the philosophical difference would be that the digital self would be a projection of who we were, not who we are. Until living human consciousness can be transferred or replicated into a digital interactive projection, life ends at biological death. These interactive persona created by what we have left behind when we die, will merely be an exaggerated interactive obituary/tombstone. In case that came off too callus, I actually like the idea. lol
@dfactory i thought that much was obvious, but things can go over peoples heads so easily on YouTube; you know, because no one is capable of abstract thought on here ...
I'm sorry but this idea is ridiculous. It would be an insult to that person to try and keep them going based on algorithms of what a computer thinks the person 'might' be like.
If this guy thinks that these ideas are leading to a new definition of life he is sadly mistaken. How can a robot programmed with your loved-ones' personality be considered alive?
@yudy92 "...think back to this famous scene from election night 2008 back in the united states. Where CNN beamed a live hologram of hip hop artist will.i.am into their studio for an interview with anderson cooper. What if we were able to use that same type of technology to beam a representation of our loved ones into our living rooms..."
Nope, he clearly believes that was a real hologram. Extreme fail of fact checking. One has to be seriously underinformed to believe in this kind of holography.
I'd rather have all my online accounts deleted with all content, and have pictures and stuff like that directly in the possession of those closest to me. I don't want to be part of an online graveyard.
seems like the bar is a lot lower for ANY mention of social networking. it turns out only as substantive as a cranberry juice commercial ffs.
yes. we get it. you want everyone to cluster fuck in centralized corners of the internet so you can have a data mining orgasm and fulfill your profit wet dreams.
From my experience - what is really being talked about here is the "scrapping off" of the first layer of personality, and translating it into a simulation. The simulation is based on the collective body of work. So for example, my children could interact with a "like me" character, long after I am gone. But it will only ever be the first layer of personality - without the complexity, and ultimately boring.
right, like my posts/tweets and what not give an all round picture of of my complete persona. What I do online is just a subset of what I do, know and am.
This isn't a creative thought - the same idea is presented in the tv-series Caprica, possibly in Battlestar Galactica and most probably long before that :-/
I do not want them to judge me based on my post and online activities during my life and hope that no one should and could do it after my death. Let the dead be dead....
@Saesegral I totally agree. We need to start using our conscious vs. our unconscious. Quit living like sheep! If machines are predicting what you're going to do...you might as well be dead already.
This is horrible on so many levels. The saddest part of this is the fact that all that content is the CORPORATIONS PROPERTY! Those photos, diasies and little things that the speaker refers to may be tiny ammount compared to the wasteland of meaningless data that gets posted but they are OURS and infinitely more precious. Even after death the corporation owns you. Grotesque similarity to another sick and servile idealogy - religion. Just let us die in peace and let it be the end.
@ghostandgoblins well said. But remember that corporations cannot exist without the mafia monopoly that is the state. The state grants the corporation its special powers and favors. c4ss dot org
I don't want to last beyond my death. I just want to be gone after I die. Like billions did before. Just being part of humanity's fate. All this new technology has bloated our innate narcissism and solipsism to grotesque levels. A lot of facebook and twitter accounts are desperate screams to the world: "HEEY I EXIST, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ME, WORLD!" It doesn't mean anything. Our void can never be filled. Just part of the human condition. The ancient Greeks understood this much better than us.
what a total crock... nobody is the same irl as they are online, that's why it's called an 'online persona.' anything like this would just create an army of insecure trolls, confused conspiracy theorists, and human RSS feeds... who we are to others depends on context, and the internet is a totally different context than real life.
@htedrom Thats like saying nobody is the same at an after hours dance club as they are at their grandparents funeral. It doesn't really matter how you act in whatever context, its still YOU.
I wonder how long it will take for us to realize that the internet is part of 'real life' and not separate from it.
@htedrom He didn't mean based on those platforms. He used them as examples as precursors of the real technologies. For example the one where the guy recorded 90.000 hours of his home.
@htedrom I dont know about you, but i my 'online persona' (as you call it) its the same person that I am in real life. If you are not the same person in the internet and in real life, I must say you are the crock. And personally I believe that if someone is an insecure troll in the internet, deep inside they are an insecure troll in real life as well.
I hate it when people refer to that CNN thing as a hologram, it was basically a greenscreen cutout that moved in sync with live footage it was being projected on.
Interesting ...the stuff that is typed/setup on youtube facebook etc is there for ever or at least as long as the network exists... who would delete it?
these comments are here as evidence as to how we communicate that which we are thinking ...certainly something to consider ;-])
Answer is: NO! I don't want to talk to a hologram of my dead loved ones. Are you insane??? Dear god. Blinded by technology. Techonology is suposed to make our lives better and easier, and more environment friendly. Not this nonsense.
I'm disappointed that a lot of people are probably disliking this video because it presents a "creepy" thought. Come on folks, of course it's creepy. But it's time to get over that and start discussing the implications of what he is suggesting.
Let's be honest, 99% of what we write on social networks may as well have not been written at all. A week from now nobody is going to care what kind of pizza I had tonight, why bother saving it for when I die?
The intimation that an individual's essential nature or character can be boiled down to or abstracted from what appears on their Facebook profile or Twitter feed seems a bit ludicrous to me. But he makes some interesting suggestions.
Whatever happened to just trying to live a long, healthy, fulfilling life and being in the hearts and minds of people you touched after you die. This whole civilization is going to be gone eventually anyway, so what's the point?
At the end of this year, there will be over 7 billion people on this planet that actively sleep at night. The one thing that all of them have in common is they are going to die. Now that might be somewhat morbid thought, I think it has some profound implications worth exploring. Maybe we should preserve their pillows and blankets so their loved ones can hug something instead of them when they die.
JaySmith91 2 months ago
lemme guess, he finally attended a Singularity University class...
Digipendent 2 months ago
"1 billion people actively use social networking sites. The one thing they have in common is that they are all going to die... I find this profound..." After having quoted this I would like to say the following:
"6 billion people take shits. The one thing these people have in common is that they are all going to die. We should preserve the last shit everyone takes before they die and catalog it. This way we'll know the last things they ate. After all you are what you eat."
luvlatinmamis 3 months ago
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luvlatinmamis 3 months ago
3:22 OVER 9000?
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
Someone's wached Caprica
petko10bg 4 months ago
It's just a paradox that fools the mind momentarily, and when you give it proper thought, it becomes obvious that no matter how life-like the digital copy of yourself is, at the end of the day, it's not you. Your digital mimic might "live on", but you have most certainly died. This sort of technology doesn't "mean anything for a definition of life and everything that comes after it", as he put it. If an invention of this sort comes to fruition, it will be nothing more than an elaborate illusion.
CoN0R115 5 months ago
@CoN0R115 Maybe your right but consider this if a startrek like transporter were ever made would the transported only be a copy? It would argue otherwise. To take it a step further while you are alive you body and brain swap out structure and material molecules that encode your mind. This suggests that you are already a series of physical copies and that your mind is already just the information that resides in your brain. Yet we still argue that we are unique not mere copies.
DK0526 1 month ago
>>> I agree that a hand full of tweets and facebook pics is not you. But crank up the resolution and scan copy your brain down to every synapse and nueron and the copy will argue forever that he is you and he will believe it....as much as you believe you are you right now despite having had many millions of molecules in your brain swaped out by your body throught your life. It looks like we are all copies already...information streams that believe they are unique...it may all be a self illusion
DK0526 1 month ago
His head is really fucked up.
CoN0R115 5 months ago
I can tell that one of this guy's parents are Klingon.
funfungiguy 5 months ago
I imagine that some of us read books written by dead authors? We may be sad not to see a live person, but that's next best thing we can do. And it's not masochistic. Why not to interact with these books then? This idea is not about eternal life from dead person's first-person subjective experience. It is about attitude and messages that a person wants to leave to the ones who remain behind. It is for the rest of the world, as a gift, a creation. I think it's very human need to share with others.
rolandrp 5 months ago
nice.. my robot will be a pervert psychopath if it builds a character from your online activities.. modern philosophy fails
fluorescentcentipede 5 months ago
so frequin depressing..
TPWNage 5 months ago
Sickness ...
dugasman 6 months ago
wonder if he's seen Caprica
Elzurag 6 months ago
Who the hell wants ME to be around forever? What a terrible idea! And, I think I am a pretty GOOD person. Imagine the number of assholes this might lead to eternal life -- oh no, sorry, not eternal life where they might make better choices, eternal life where they are ASSHOLES FOREVER. We must put a stop to this technology NOW. :)
TKStoddart 6 months ago
When this video started, the last thing i thought it would end up talking about was transhumanist digital immortality.
Surprising!
roidroid 6 months ago
That's just like the hologram in Red Dwarf!
GeoTaggart 6 months ago
Remind me of Ubik by Phillip K Dick.
VonKraut 6 months ago
Great Talk!
Parmenides111 6 months ago
I'm very interested in this line of thinking. It's very Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell, what-does-it-mean-to-be-human sort of thing. But the core of the problem for the individual and society does lie in the definition. Just even how he refers to information as "content" has this sort of consumerist implication to it. The same thing goes for people who may try to mystify the "soul", or the collective totality of a system or individual.
Hibryd7 6 months ago
Internal Server Error, Byte could not be "read" LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL U DEAD BITCH
KippurCatArts 6 months ago
@KippurCatArts That will be your death note.
LazyOtaku 6 months ago
@LazyOtaku 1f:1f:2e:1f:1f:1f:1f:4c:61:7a:79:4f:74:61:6b:75:20:32:20:68:6f:75:72:73:20:61:67:6f:20:1f:1f?
KippurCatArts 6 months ago
@KippurCatArts mistakes like that happen in your biological meat body all the time. You don't instantly drop dead just coz a single protein didn't fold right. Likewise a digital simulation would have enough redundancy to handle crc errors
roidroid 6 months ago
I mean how true is this. Technology =/= life. In technology, there is a fine line between being beneficial and raiding personal privacy After I die, I definitely wouldn't want my loved ones to take charge of 'me' when I'm no longer in control
Social media makes people feel like celebrities. Facebook makes us more responsible for our lives, but it also makes us accountable to every single person why are we living the way we choose.
musicheersme 6 months ago
why the HELL would anyone want a creepily realistic AI hologram of their loved ones? that is messed up on so many levels... the simple fact is, we just need to accept death and non-existance. you and i WILL die and never come back, and it might even happen soon (or hundreds of years from now if we can learn to significantly slow the aging process). get used to the idea of non-existance and try to enjoy every breath you take, while you're still around.
xjaskix 6 months ago 13
@xjaskix One could also say that you should get used to the idea that one day technology will develop a way of living forever - with the redundancy required to survive all mishaps.
(eg: oh your body was vaporized in a supernova? We have a backup body ready for you several light years away - uploaded with all of your memories)
Is your fear of immortality, somehow more righteous than my fear of death?
Lets not play games of just who needs to accept what, ok.
roidroid 6 months ago
@xjaskix unless cryonics works!
DK0526 1 month ago
My final status update will read: Ok folks, I'm dead now. Shit...
Mrmoc7 6 months ago 10
some of these ideas are explored in a sci fi novel, The Quantum Thief (Hannu Rajaniemi). themes of who we are, and does our memory mean the same as our soul. interesting to put together considering software Artificial Intelligence. on a tangent, it was funny that the voice for ifIDie.net sounded like an odd Schwarzenegger impression.
cch5ng 7 months ago
the dude's a klingon...
matt0198922 7 months ago
if Will i am was the first hologram broadcast we should all be more worried the black eyed peas will continue to perform in perpetuity, bringing the end of civilization as we know it, thanks to this.
gazugaXP 7 months ago
@gazugaXP perhaps the purpose of all civilisations, is to bring about the Black Eyed Peas.
And this should thus be incorporated into the Drake Equation.
roidroid 6 months ago
The part of the dead journalists last post reminded me that a friend of mine, who died 2 years ago, last Last.fm scrobble was Jeff Buckley – Last Goodbye
...Made me sad yet again about his death.
Thimmet 7 months ago
I think there are two sides one could implement this idea:
1. Artificially prolong the life of people using their digital traces or
2. Use the data to create a digital memorial or archive
An archive is emotionally very valuable and has always existed in some form or another. However, I would be very concerned if people could not accept my death. ~Oh poor human who is reduced to a producer of digital content.
realseek 7 months ago
Seen this idea on Caprica 2-3 years prior to this speech.
goodcatmd 7 months ago
@goodcatmd and everyone else heard it from sci-fi decades ago.
He's not saying he invented the idea, but he is talking about it.
roidroid 6 months ago
this is interesting, reminds me of Star Wars... its a completely different look at the world of internally projected interactions... it does boil down to a weird philosophical question.. would the final digital copy of a being be worth the investment into it? how should we view such novelties along side the true being? where does this put respect for the being?.... im curios if anyone would pay for the idea in beta or early phases
Poisonfrogg 7 months ago
Wow..so much fear here clouding judgement. You people will be sadly surprised when you realize the direction that science and technology are going to take mortality and consciousness.
Codex1 7 months ago
Death is a natural part of the journey of life. Though it may be possible to have a hologram of a loved one after the have pases on, in my opinion it would be much healthier and wholesome exercise to practice letting go of loved ones, rather then becoming obessed with a creation that can never match up to the people they represent.
ZarniwoopUK1 7 months ago 2
@ZarniwoopUK1 how do you know they will never match up to the people they represent?
What if they continued to learn and change, make decisions and live their lives, like normal independent people.
Is not a perfect simulation of a human... actually all that any human really has ever been? I think so.
I mean you assume that you yourself are human, but do you know? Does it actually matter?
I'm reminded of this /watch?v=wITchV88Gjk
roidroid 6 months ago
My only problem with that is my online persona(as my real life) evolves and changes. What I wrote on LiveJournal three years ago, isn't me today. It was me, it was my past. Once I die, that's all my online content will be, the past. Technology can't determine how I will or would have(when I die) change. At least I hope it won't be able to. That's when the robots will take over, right?
greenschmoodle 7 months ago
this is fucking ridiculous
Angusliketheburger 7 months ago
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How is this not just the plot for caprica....?
monkymastr 7 months ago
This is the false deconstruction of humanity into bite size pieces so that people can feel like they understand themselves. Meanwhile... all meaning and purpose is lost...THAT will be the future for some if people are not careful.
LightWthoutTheStatic 7 months ago
Stolen concept from Caprica...
jvillavic 7 months ago
This is what Ross was talking about.
zgorl 7 months ago
lolno
Magmacano 7 months ago
He would look a lot better with hair on his head.
stephenetienne 7 months ago
TED, wtf? Are you kidding me? This sounds like some religious bs...
Afterlife. Pah!
If someone is so keen to get a good afterlife, there's just one thing to say:
Get a REAL LIFE!
Letter to the Internet:
"Dear Internet, if I die, please delete all the stupid comments a made. And all the comments every one else makes about me. Thank you."
dzntms144 7 months ago
Yawn, enjoy the meaningless pursuit of others approval.
espada9 7 months ago
@espada9 /me tucks you in
roidroid 6 months ago
@roidroid: Before or after I blow my load on your back bitch?
espada9 6 months ago
@espada9 u mad?
roidroid 6 months ago
I think that the hard sciences such as neurology are already aimed at accomplishing something like this but better. The soft social sciences would just create a digital cold reading machine. Training a computer to act like one of those charlatan television psychics. "I'm parsing the data now. Your wife says heaven is as ill as spring break in cabo. She's with all her BFFs. She no longer misses Scruffy. She loves you and forgives you for looking at that hoochie in 2016."
ratholin 7 months ago
@ratholin Ha Ha! Spot on, and hilarious as hell!!!
memoryhero 7 months ago
The idea that anyone can be broken down and turned into an AI based on a few "sound bite" sized posts and tweets it pretty absurd, especially when you consider that most people don't do all those things. Not everyone has facebook. Not everyone is going to google+. Not everyone tweets.
Personally, I'm sick of social networking and hope that it all just dies because people finally figure out that it's just not worth the time to see what the guy from one class in college did at a party.
KemaTheAtheist 7 months ago
Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.
revesvans 7 months ago
it would make an interesting target for hackers!!
JamesMulvale 7 months ago
What utter bs... You can't create a realistic representation of a living, breathing, THINKING human being based on a few thousand or even a few million pieces of content they posted somewhere.
Deathinmusic 7 months ago
this is all DATA on the net. extremly volerable for deleting. any wise bloger should also print his good posts just in case. but i don't see what's the big idea here.
drorjs 7 months ago
@drorjs apparently his idea is that using all the data a person leaves behind you can extrapolate a personality like in william gibson's neuromancer or babylon 5.
ratholin 7 months ago
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drorjs 7 months ago
Dont trust people with strange skulls...
alphakristjan 7 months ago
Fail.... The only thing I would like to know is if there is anything after death...
oliverumy 7 months ago
a hologram of me would only ever say -I am never drinking again- and -I need to get laid-
A real joy to my eventual offspring, I'm sure.
mrplease66 7 months ago
Very intriguing idea. All the haters around here didn't get the main point of his lecture. He's proposing more of a philosophical question, rather than a futuristic sci-fi bullshit -- the point is what 'life' and 'death' means when we can live 'forever' digitally.
dfactory 7 months ago 36
@dfactory TERRIBLE idea. Nothing is meant to last forever. Don't fuck with the system.
MJFAN666 7 months ago
@MJFAN666 Oh boy im gonna fuck that system like a cheap whore. .. im gonna own the system XD im sorry im just to imature to miss it XD
MalcolmLC 7 months ago
@MalcolmLC Calling me immature? This man is talking about making people live forever. Yes, I would love to see him fail horribly.
MJFAN666 7 months ago
@MJFAN666 Im not calling you anything , I love you
MalcolmLC 7 months ago
@MalcolmLC <3
MJFAN666 7 months ago
@dfactory
"live 'forever' digitally."
when it comes to the meaning of 'life' and 'death', how will a dead person's twitter feed be any different than a dead person's tombstone, or a dead person's memory in the minds of those who knew them, or dead person's donation plaque at some museum, or a dead person's name (or story) in a textbook, or other media?
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
@xjustamem0ryx
though, if more meaning in life would be: people being able to experience a virtual/holographic living history of a limited side of a loved/important person composed of quantified data--that would be cool. while not the whole story, it's better than nothing?
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
@dfactory I think the philosophical difference would be that the digital self would be a projection of who we were, not who we are. Until living human consciousness can be transferred or replicated into a digital interactive projection, life ends at biological death. These interactive persona created by what we have left behind when we die, will merely be an exaggerated interactive obituary/tombstone. In case that came off too callus, I actually like the idea. lol
jamesdc60 7 months ago
@dfactory i thought that much was obvious, but things can go over peoples heads so easily on YouTube; you know, because no one is capable of abstract thought on here ...
ukendcx2000 7 months ago
@dfactory Ghost in the shell syndrome..
michael616joaquin 7 months ago
@dfactory
What he's proposing has nothing to do with living forever digitally. It's about creating a convincing digital mimic of you.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 7 months ago
@dfactory this exactly
da5idh 7 months ago
I'm sorry but this idea is ridiculous. It would be an insult to that person to try and keep them going based on algorithms of what a computer thinks the person 'might' be like.
Danen3 7 months ago 2
pure shit
Kibutztv 7 months ago
This is scary and very eerie. Someone stop this guy PLEEEEEEZ.
RamoSFTT 7 months ago
If this guy thinks that these ideas are leading to a new definition of life he is sadly mistaken. How can a robot programmed with your loved-ones' personality be considered alive?
drche420 7 months ago 2
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AgeOfScience 7 months ago
That "hologram" was just Will in front of a green screen, overlaid on footage of the studio with some effect filters. Not a hologram.
VitriolicAC 7 months ago
@VitriolicAC he said what if! not that it was a real hologram..
yudy92 7 months ago
@yudy92 "...think back to this famous scene from election night 2008 back in the united states. Where CNN beamed a live hologram of hip hop artist will.i.am into their studio for an interview with anderson cooper. What if we were able to use that same type of technology to beam a representation of our loved ones into our living rooms..."
Nope, he clearly believes that was a real hologram. Extreme fail of fact checking. One has to be seriously underinformed to believe in this kind of holography.
kaosgoblin 7 months ago
Ooh! SHINEY!!!
eluap 7 months ago
Creepy!
moshner 7 months ago
I'd rather have all my online accounts deleted with all content, and have pictures and stuff like that directly in the possession of those closest to me. I don't want to be part of an online graveyard.
Frottjeif 7 months ago 2
@Frottjeif "when i die, scatter my ones and zeros into the microwave background radiation." eh? :)
roidroid 6 months ago
that is a beautiful head
honeymonster147 7 months ago
I would leave this as a message:
"Did he died?"
AmusingYeti 7 months ago
An interesting thought. I wouldn't have considered it TED-worthy myself, but fascinating stuff nonetheless.
rawssremix 7 months ago
Humans have secrets... that affects the way they interact. Thus, any representation of that person will never be complete.
gmgunner 7 months ago
well technology has already encompassed divination, whether conjuring, and crystal ball communication, time for necromancy! lol
Roenazarrek 7 months ago
This one was pretty stupid & effin' waste of time TED talk.
AlphaCentauri24 7 months ago 3
Does it seem like the bar is a lot lower for Ted Talks that feature social networking?
Cannibalzz 7 months ago
@Cannibalzz
seriously.
seems like the bar is a lot lower for ANY mention of social networking. it turns out only as substantive as a cranberry juice commercial ffs.
yes. we get it. you want everyone to cluster fuck in centralized corners of the internet so you can have a data mining orgasm and fulfill your profit wet dreams.
gtfo cranberry man!
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
Shiny head... Why do Americans feel the need to go skinhead when they start getting the hairline receding a bit back?
RakshasaCat 7 months ago
@RakshasaCat that's a trend in all the western world not just america.
drorjs 7 months ago
They should have beamed him in.
bavwill 7 months ago
From my experience - what is really being talked about here is the "scrapping off" of the first layer of personality, and translating it into a simulation. The simulation is based on the collective body of work. So for example, my children could interact with a "like me" character, long after I am gone. But it will only ever be the first layer of personality - without the complexity, and ultimately boring.
marcopogo84 7 months ago 2
@marcopogo84
exactly. the false authenticity and lack of depth would be depressing imo.
maybe it'd be ok for kids who never saw their parents or w/e.
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
Trolling from beyond the grave? WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS D:
MarkArandjus 7 months ago
Imagine what would be like to talk to your great-great-great-grandfather...
leonidasx666 7 months ago
There's a reason Harry left the resurrection stone where it fell.
SkepticalBastard 7 months ago 11
@SkepticalBastard
humans are not yet a race worth resurrection.
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
I had already thought of this and didn't give a TED talk
BlackArmy6 7 months ago
right, like my posts/tweets and what not give an all round picture of of my complete persona. What I do online is just a subset of what I do, know and am.
niekvdbogert 7 months ago
My last tweet: hello @god , I am here to take over. #winning
camscottvisions 7 months ago 2
Thumbs up if you googled 'my next tweet' before he began to demonstrate it =P
sugatoniik 7 months ago
This isn't a creative thought - the same idea is presented in the tv-series Caprica, possibly in Battlestar Galactica and most probably long before that :-/
DigitizedSelf 7 months ago
I'm not sure about that...
I really dont want myself to live on in such a way.
Alas, it's a very interesting concept.
RunyTheAtheist 7 months ago
let the dead die and let the living live on.
xlade 7 months ago
I do not want them to judge me based on my post and online activities during my life and hope that no one should and could do it after my death. Let the dead be dead....
Anonymous302YT 7 months ago
Is everyone really so boring that we could have our next move predicted so easily? God, I hope not.
Saesegral 7 months ago 2
@Saesegral I totally agree. We need to start using our conscious vs. our unconscious. Quit living like sheep! If machines are predicting what you're going to do...you might as well be dead already.
successenglish 7 months ago
@successenglish ...or we are not as unique and unpredictable as we like to think ourselves to be.
niekvdbogert 7 months ago
@niekvdbogert true...but never "give up the fight"! That is, be proud to be "yourself" and be anxious to expand your horizons~ Cheers^^
PS Thanks as always TED for the thought-provoking material.
successenglish 7 months ago
@successenglish agreed thumbs up!
niekvdbogert 7 months ago
@successenglish
the price of a brutishly implemented left-brained world is scripted lemmings.
xjustamem0ryx 7 months ago
that guy skull is like hypnotoad, I can help but stare at it, so shiny
quaxk 7 months ago 4
@quaxk dude, don't be rude. would you like it if som- ALL GLORY TO HYPNO DOME!
brod2man 7 months ago
This is horrible on so many levels. The saddest part of this is the fact that all that content is the CORPORATIONS PROPERTY! Those photos, diasies and little things that the speaker refers to may be tiny ammount compared to the wasteland of meaningless data that gets posted but they are OURS and infinitely more precious. Even after death the corporation owns you. Grotesque similarity to another sick and servile idealogy - religion. Just let us die in peace and let it be the end.
ghostandgoblins 7 months ago 2
@ghostandgoblins well said. But remember that corporations cannot exist without the mafia monopoly that is the state. The state grants the corporation its special powers and favors. c4ss dot org
cshah2 7 months ago
Yet another step to robot world domination. ALL HAIL THE ROBOT EMPEROR!!!
drjhospital 7 months ago
I don't want to last beyond my death. I just want to be gone after I die. Like billions did before. Just being part of humanity's fate. All this new technology has bloated our innate narcissism and solipsism to grotesque levels. A lot of facebook and twitter accounts are desperate screams to the world: "HEEY I EXIST, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ME, WORLD!" It doesn't mean anything. Our void can never be filled. Just part of the human condition. The ancient Greeks understood this much better than us.
Krifko 7 months ago 3
I feel like there are some other issues on our planet that deserve way more attention and research than this... I almost thought it was a joke...
SuperColette11 7 months ago 3
LOL CONEHEAD
MrIntelligenius 7 months ago 2
what a total crock... nobody is the same irl as they are online, that's why it's called an 'online persona.' anything like this would just create an army of insecure trolls, confused conspiracy theorists, and human RSS feeds... who we are to others depends on context, and the internet is a totally different context than real life.
htedrom 7 months ago 58
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@htedrom Thats like saying nobody is the same at an after hours dance club as they are at their grandparents funeral. It doesn't really matter how you act in whatever context, its still YOU.
I wonder how long it will take for us to realize that the internet is part of 'real life' and not separate from it.
AgeOfScience 7 months ago
@htedrom You sound smart 0_O
MalcolmLC 7 months ago
@htedrom He didn't mean based on those platforms. He used them as examples as precursors of the real technologies. For example the one where the guy recorded 90.000 hours of his home.
xilliah 7 months ago
@htedrom I dont know about you, but i my 'online persona' (as you call it) its the same person that I am in real life. If you are not the same person in the internet and in real life, I must say you are the crock. And personally I believe that if someone is an insecure troll in the internet, deep inside they are an insecure troll in real life as well.
alexdinamite 7 months ago
@htedrom
Heinemd 7 months ago
@htedrom
wow, my thoughts exactly.
nolie94 7 months ago
Your not a TED talker unless you can do annoying lip smacks while talking....ALL THE TIME.
csrtitus 7 months ago
I hate it when people refer to that CNN thing as a hologram, it was basically a greenscreen cutout that moved in sync with live footage it was being projected on.
They called it a hologram for publicity.
MarkArandjus 7 months ago
@AcceptNoBullshit Nice comment!
EclecticSceptic 7 months ago
this is not an intresting issue for me, I don't think it would be healthy for us.
merjemke 7 months ago
Interesting ...the stuff that is typed/setup on youtube facebook etc is there for ever or at least as long as the network exists... who would delete it?
these comments are here as evidence as to how we communicate that which we are thinking ...certainly something to consider ;-])
gaiagale 7 months ago
M M M MaMa Ma Max Headroom
GMLSX 7 months ago
Answer is: NO! I don't want to talk to a hologram of my dead loved ones. Are you insane??? Dear god. Blinded by technology. Techonology is suposed to make our lives better and easier, and more environment friendly. Not this nonsense.
In MHO this would be only for some sick people.
nfxs 7 months ago
His head...
It's so... Shiny... :o
HamsterPants522 7 months ago 2
Facebook will make you immortal
mpaulino 7 months ago
I'm disappointed that a lot of people are probably disliking this video because it presents a "creepy" thought. Come on folks, of course it's creepy. But it's time to get over that and start discussing the implications of what he is suggesting.
shwestrick 7 months ago
@shwestrick What he is suggesting is stupid.
guyboy625 7 months ago 2
Let's be honest, 99% of what we write on social networks may as well have not been written at all. A week from now nobody is going to care what kind of pizza I had tonight, why bother saving it for when I die?
DeoMachina 7 months ago 3
We don't need such robot , there is a social media for dead people ... its called Myspace ...
ndyakov 7 months ago
Just learn how to let go. Just die.
froyboy4life 7 months ago 5
I was thinking about this the other day! A guy I went to school with was killed in Afghanistan, and his Facebook is still up! Weird!
BJ219 7 months ago
Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi
un2mensch 7 months ago
Interessting question
FelipeZucchetti 7 months ago
1:10 holy fucking alien head !!! This fucker is here to conquer the humans!
nsofast 7 months ago
Postmortem Facebook and Twitter posts, the ultimate attention whoring.
Arcus2658 7 months ago 46
@Arcus2658 hehe, what about the pyramids?
Iker888 7 months ago 3
Creepy
arerayace 7 months ago
The intimation that an individual's essential nature or character can be boiled down to or abstracted from what appears on their Facebook profile or Twitter feed seems a bit ludicrous to me. But he makes some interesting suggestions.
Witangemot 7 months ago
"Caprica" much.
treegraph 7 months ago
CNN didn't really create a hologram, it was just a camera trick.
Could have done at least some research for a 5 min talk....
99overkill99 7 months ago 8
Fuck social networking!
Fuzzy192006 7 months ago 4
Whatever happened to just trying to live a long, healthy, fulfilling life and being in the hearts and minds of people you touched after you die. This whole civilization is going to be gone eventually anyway, so what's the point?
treehugrurthluvrsupr 7 months ago
It's not a bad idea guys and girls.. don't be that negative about it. =/
vesji 7 months ago
CYLONS.
nvcn86 7 months ago
Was this not the script to Battlestar Gallitica or something? Caprica, maybe?
SteelBalor 7 months ago
I prefer putting shit on my tombstone, rather than on a HDD far away hidden in a storage facility of some IT company.
It seems more...epic.
YawnGod 7 months ago 3