A Conversation With... Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum and Bishop Gene Robinson

[hineni53]

You can't tell a bird not to fly and a fish not to swim. It's their nature and one cannot change it.

[ronshala22]

Sharon Kleinbaum is AWESOME! And the conversation between Bishop Robinson and Rabbi Kleinbaum is a gem of understanding and spiritual generosity.

[IanLoewen]

They do not live by love because they ignore the word of God. Homosexuality is condemned in scriptures. And are you suggesting that Jesus approved of homosexuality? If you are, that's laughable. "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen Well he doesn't seem to disapprove. Never once did he speak out against it in his ministry. But he was presented with a homosexual relationship. The Roman Centurian who came before christ because his "servant" was sick. The greek word for "servant" used in this instant actually means a valete who's primary job is to perform sexual acts for his Master.

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen It's obvious from the dialog between the centurian and Jesus that the centurian truely and deeply loves this "servant" so Jesus doesn't say to him, "I'll heal him if you clean up your filth and get out of that lifestyle and return straight." he simply says, "Go, this man has been healed."

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen New your second point 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. First of all this does not come from the Gospels, therefore has nothing to do with Jesus. This comes from Paul, who by the way was regarded as a heretic by much of the Early Church Fathers, Peter, James, John, Matthew, and others. It wasn't until about the third century that he and his teachings became accepted.

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen But I'll address the issue of this passage. The word used for "homosexual" is arsenokoitai. There was no word for "homosexual" until around the late 1800s just before the turn of the century, largely because there was no such thing as sexual orientation until the late 1800s. Up until this time that word was translated as ifeminent, soft, sodomite (another word made up by the church, particularly Thomas Aquinas)

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen But if you go to any biblical translator of scholar they will tell you that they don't know what that word truely means. It's translation is lost to history. So we really cant say what it could be. It's simply a recent tradition that it mean "homosexual"

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen Now furthermore the book of Corinthians was written to an ancient people whose entire claim to fame was the fact that they boasted to having the largest Temple and selection of Temple prostitutes in the Ancient World. Men could pay to have sex with young boys, to essentially rape them, as a form of worship. I, like Paul, am against this as well.

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen And on that note when the bible does deal with homosexual acts it deals with them in the context of either occult worship (Leviticus & Deutoronomy), or pedophilia (Romans & Corinthians), or violent rape (Sodom) it never once deals with them in the context of loving monogimous relationships. That's what I'm intrested in, loving, one on one relationships.

[shlomoepstein]

Disgusting. A true chillul HaShem. I wih with besei din would bring back sekila just for her.

[hineni53]

Both of these people are good role models for our young people who are struggling with their sexuality. Judaism has to grow and breath not be stagnant that's why I prefer Reform to all others.

[IanLoewen]

Both terrible people, enough said.

[Matthewcoakley08]

@IanLoewen Why? Cause they live by love rather then dogma? Jesus seemed to approve of this.

[IanLoewen]

@Matthewcoakley08 And that comes from 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. It is very clear.

[sharkiethepoet]

Rabbi Sharon is a remarkable woman.

[coolguy291m]

I'm sorry but Catholics and Reform Judaism are an embarrassment to Christianity and Traditional Judaism.

[sharkiethepoet]

@coolguy291m Hey that's YOUR opinion. Your civility is appreciated though.

[jrlaker]

I'm not affiliated with religion, but I have tremendous respect for these two individuals. They're modern day pioneers.

[classic287]

jrlaker, I agree with you 100%........

[MCMaddogMckenzi]

Whhaaaaaa. Gay female Rabbi? Gay Episcopal Priest? At least the muslims will never allow gay Imams. Maybe we will keep a little integrity within the Abrahamic tradition. Cant they just find a religion that doesnt condemn their lifestyles? There are plenty of religions out there. I wish people would stop trying to change religions that dont fit their desires.

[DrGaellon]

That's my rabbi! She's fantastic.

[yendelwendal]

Obviously you have threw the word of YHWH in the trash can.

Where are your scriptural refrences to back up what comes out of your mouth?

God has not left His children in confusion, He has given us the scriptures to study and enable us to recognize lies and wolves in sheeps clothing. Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps' clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.

Matthew 7:16

[yendelwendal]

Please read Romans chapter 1

Please leave your position as Bishop, you are disgracing Christianity.

The word of God is our ultimate and final authority in all matters of life and superceeds our intellect.

[iballie]

hey guess what? you are a douche

[patrickometry]

More people ought to be made aware of the quality LGBT media out there.