Gazans pay the price of Israeli sanctions - 04 Dec 07

[warpedcomedy]

ISRAEL FOREVER!

[AIPACOWNSCONGRESS]

How israel strives for peace...

Hebron = Palestinian city with 150,000 Palestinians living there.

israel moved 400 "settlers" right in the center of Hebron. (against International Law)

-- 3000 + soldiers protect the 400 settlers.

Settlers terrorize, harass, attack and kill Palestinians and dont suffer any consequences.

Palestinians are murdered or arrested by the israeli soldiers if they fight back.

Hebron is not in israel.

Why are israelis there? - Why does America pay for this?

[oratorspeaker]

all arabs , the whole muslim world want to destroy israel! i think israel has every right to make israel continues existing

[Crowbarcode]

The supply was cut off by the israelis only because the palestinians have not paid their bills. They can import from anyone they like, they dont, they just sit there, pretending to be victocrats. But they spend their money on weapons instead. They are complete morons sitting with no power or water but with plenty of guns and ammunition. Idiots.

[YawBStoopit01]

Palestinians need no gas, they have nowhere to go. And if they really get hungry, they will eat each other. Such is the evil wihin them.

[Mrpastry909]

This is terrible. Israel should not deprive Gaza completely, but remember that gasoline could be used for explosives, and I have no doubt that a lot of Gaza's gasoline is used just for that.

[jphwacheski]

gasoline as an explosive? shop smoking crack!

Israel is attempting to starve the prisoner palistinian population out of their contry,. they know that in a full and free election the palistinian population will out number the israelis so they are attempting to force as many to leave as they can,. This is blatant ethnic cleansing, crimes agains humanity.

Israel is an APARTHEID state! period.

[jdude512]

israel is the victim smarty

innocent israelis are killed by palistinian terrorists so israel has to protect itself

[jphwacheski]

victim?!? HOW ? The palistinians lived with out suicide bombings for hundreds of years. When Israel was 'created' 50 years ago, they forced the locals out,. and Israel is somehow the victim when some fight the military oppretion,. and outright theft of their property and lands,. Your Zionist myth no longer flyes. Racist nationalism is what Zionism is. google; jews against zionism

[Mrpastry909]

amen!

[Mrpastry909]

How? There are plenty of palestinians in Israel. They are citizens who have more rights than Iranian or Iraqi citizens. Who do you think is the only religion allowed in the Dome of the Rock? I'm Jewish and when I went there not only was I not allowed inside, but rushed out of there when the hour was up.

[youtubinator]

What really fuels terrorists is not gasoline, but resentment.

[redelman431]

Yes Gasoline is used as an explosive! It's called a Molotov cocktail! Not to mention gasoline is needed to make napalm.

[jphwacheski]

NO a 'molotov cocktail' is NOT an explosive it only burns, it does not explode, hense NOT an 'explosive'. Is that the stupidest argument you could come up with? ANYTHING can be used as a weapon,. so as your racist nationalism of zionism goes, you then must make danm sure the 'non-human' palistinians have NOTHING!

The jig is up, the people now know,. Israel is a racist APARTHEID state!

[YawBStoopit01]

Please don't display your ignorance! Israel is one tiny nation in a sea of hostile, hating neighbors.

[redelman431]

Yes Gasoline is used as an explosive! It's called a Molotov cocktail! Not to mention gasoline is needed to make napalm.

[aspasia6]

There are very few, except Shalom, that know the facts in these post. Most are ravings from those who only know Arab lies.

Read a few valid history books folks. Both sides committed atrocities, but it was the Arabs who instigated it.

[desidesi21]

Aspasia6, there are 'zilch' valid non-Zionist sources to your claim about 80% legal purchases. Unless of course, your definition of a 'valid history book' is like the one which explodes the number of Jews killed in the holocaust to a Billion. Oh, and may you also mean the distorted versions of history that have little factual accuracy and are evidently motivated by Biblical sources, as they merely see facts as 'Hillul Hashem' and consider it their religious duty to distort them.

[desidesi21]

Aspasia6, Even according the accounts of your Zionist intellectual Kenneth Stein, Palestinian land's case was yet another story of infiltration via soft means to begin with that eventually turned into one of the most massive steals in history conducted in a venomously stealthy manner. According to him, Palestinian land THAT WAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED AND NOT STOLEN was purchased through exploitations of the economic situation of the fellaheen in the post-Ottoman era.

[desidesi21]

Of course, the British mandate lent a helping hand to this exploitation by giving the Zionists a special status under the mandate. The collapse of the already infiltrated Ottoman Caliphate meant that there was no voice left for the fellaheen in the arena and the Zionist players continued their dominance during a golden era for themselves (1917-1939). The British established a trusteeship that protected Jewish interests while rejecting any clear form of Palestinian majority self-government.

[desidesi21]

Aspasia6, lest your knowledge of history of other parts of the world be as limited and simplistic as the one for this region, you may remember how the British tried to invade and colonize the Indian sub-continent via the use of their East India company that claimed to 'purchase' resources solely as means of doing 'business' just as the Zionists under the British did in Palestine. Not to mention how their opportunistic tendencies led them to buy most of what they purchased well under priced.

[desidesi21]

Finally, as for the modern times and what happens under that banner of that 'Democratic' state of Israel, I quote the following:

"In 1989, a group of armed settlers invaded a house in the Old City of Jerusalem and occupied the top floor; the Palestinian family managed to fend off the settlers from the ground floor. The Palestinian house owner sought police help to evict the invaders, but was fined NIS 500 for "disturbing the peace"". Like many others this is yet another news story, try Google!

[desidesi21]

Not to mention the exodus of Muslims from Hebron's Old Town. According to Hebron Mayor Mustafa Abd al-Nabi, "It is ethnic cleansing in its most insidious form". Oh how about the racial or religious profiling of Muslims at Israeli air ports. It's nothing short of bigotry the part of a Zionist to claim that Arabs are religiously ignorant. As for your simplistic claim over why Arabs don't help their brethren, under the siege you've kept the Palestinians under, it's nothing short of impossible.

[desidesi21]

Finally, there's no 'arab lie' to the fact that the Zionist occupation has cost the American taxpayers $3 trillion according to conservative estimates by the WRMEA. Just wait for a rise of American people against this blindfolded aggression, and Zionists will be sweating in desperation. Organizations like AIPAC highlight how desperate you are for American generosity, and had it not been for this, you would not have been able to do this. It's not 1947 anymore; your Biblical utopia is unachievable

[aspasia6]

Many taxpayers a ticked, many support Israel as they are a strong strategic ally.

I live in Vegas, and do not belong to AIPAC!

AGAIN, I am not a Christian, Jew, nor Muslim-- a Deist--Look it up.

[aspasia6]

The British were also terrible to the Indians! They did invade, and controlled India for 300 years. Today, India is probably doing well because of its exposure to British government for such a long period of time. Too bad the Muslims did not learn from the Brits as well. Pakistan and Bangladesh are ghettos, and India thrives.

[aspasia6]

You forget, the British fought alongside the Arabs in the initial Arab instigated war. The British were harsh to the Jews fleeing Europe. Remember the Exodus. There was, and still is a huge amount of antiJewish sentiment in the UK and in Europe.

Besides, the Arabs expelled at least 650,000 Jews from their land, and refuse to pay compensation, unlike Israel pay to the Arabs.

Such hypocrisy!

[aspasia6]

The Bible is considered literature, with some facts and many parable in it. Some consider it the word of God, I do not, just as I reject your Qu'ran, which appears to be a plagarized version of the Bible.

Who is Stein? I have never read any of his works.

Again, they purchased the land, and this behavior was far less violent than the Muslim conquests, massacres, rapes, theft that followed Mo.

Why do you you not return the land stolen from the pagans???

[aspasia6]

If you are discussing the dissertation written by the Massachusetts Engineering Ph.D. he is held up to ridicule by his peers for writing out of his discipline.

Twelve million died in the camps, 6 million Jews, and 6 million others who were deemed inferior.

Sounds like most Arab land where nonMuslims are discriminated against.

[desidesi21]

Wonderful, since you're having such a rough time in answering all the real issues, you find it convenient to go off track and talk about which countries are good/ghetto based on your personal, emotional judgments. Same goes with your comments on other religions. Again, I invoked Indian history to invoke historical similarities in order to engage in an intellectual discourse, but I guess your narrow-mindedness reigns supreme. Your views are guided by the principle notion that, 'MUSLIMS ARE EVIL'

[desidesi21]

To get to the real issues, the goal of British at that time was to weaken the Ottomans in order to strengthen their stranglehold everywhere, and as I earlier mentioned, with facts, the Zionist terrorists saw this as an opportunity TO BIND IN A MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE with the Imperialists even though they had engaged in war against each other prior to this. It highlights how both parties were OPPORTUNISTIC AND TREACHEROUS even to their own past, which of course they still are to every one else.

[desidesi21]

There are 14 million Coptic Christians in Saudi Arabia alone. These are Christians who for all generations have been Christians. Of course autocratic Arab regimes committed atrocities, but nothing at the scale of what the Zionists are doing. And by the way no pagan land was ever stolen in Arabia. That's one of the most desperately preposterous accusations I've ever heard. Also if you've never heard of or read Stein, it doesn't mean he's a 'nobody'

[desidesi21]

Also, for a hateful Zionist like you, it's very important to remind people of UN RESOLUTION 3379 THAT WAS ADOPTED WITH A MAJORITY VOTE TO DECLARE ZIONISM AS RACISM. So comments on hate and intolerance from a Zionist are nothing but a laughing stock in front of every one. Intolerance screams out from every thing you've said so far about Muslims and Arabs and of course you guys have found refuge through hijacking Judaism as means to promote this hate.

[desidesi21]

Finally and perhaps most importantly, a few more points on the issue at hand for the record. According to UN figures, 77% of land in present day Israel was stolen [they use the word 'taken'] after the 1948 war that resulted in the creation of the illegal state of 'Israel'. This means that only 23% of the land was bought. WOW 23% bought? Oh really? No! Not really! Well let's see why NON-(ZIONIST/TERRORIST/BIBLICA­L HISTORIANS) still claim this figure to be farcical.

[desidesi21]

There were three types of landowners who sold to the Zionists. First were the non-Palestinian FEUDATORIES who owned large lands there but were prevented by the Imperialist British to invest in them under the SYKES PICOT agreement. This amounted for the majority of the total purchased land. Again, a tremendous example of British/Zionist cooperation in spite of mutual tensions from the past.

[desidesi21]

The other two types were the Ottomans who sold it because of the economic crisis of that time, and the Palestinians who were forcefully disposed by the British mandatory power, and the land was then SOLD to the Zionists, both for meager sums. That's how that number 23% came up. This is why the Zionists who bolster under this number to this day can't justify it, for the purchases they made were from the people who had stolen it.

[desidesi21]

So much for the 23% "legitimately accumulated land". BUT for the sake of argument even if we don't go to the three types I mentioned, the other 77% still remains stolen as a naked act of unjust aggression. I'm pretty certain to hear hate-comments in reply to this, so I won't go on more; for there's no point when one side's talking facts while the other is pumping up war hysteria through hateful bigotry. Heed this: Wait till the American people rise to stop paying your Biblical-terror-bills!

[aspasia6]

No - only Islam is allowed in Saudi Arabia. You mean Egypt.

[GABRIELASEYES]

This people are being stolen of everything from their resources to their dignity. The world just watches on and does not want to take responsibility.

[bmodest]

I call a winner...desidesi21!

now ShalomMF, quit embarrassing yourself. nobody likes an obnoxious Jew.

[ShalomMF]

desidesi21 have you taken your pills today ?

you know, the ones that stop you dropping empty phrases like 'burn in hell' . if you feel inferior to jews thats your problem. you rant, you rave, you cry - you do everything but see reality: israel is here to stay. accept this and then peace is possible. until then dont expect jews to committ suicide. its thought of a s bad decision in our culture

[desidesi21]

Trust me you won't be commiting suicide. You just won't be able to oppress these people for more than 45 minutes after your BIBLCAL-TERROR-BILL gets rejected in the US Congress.

[desidesi21]

You sound a lot like that dead zionist-terrorist Maer Kahane. He can't terrorize people from his grave, but his poison is still alive. What ever facts I stated may sound like ranting to you, but it's sad for the world that there are people that have your kind of mentality. I said it before and I say it again, just wait till the American people stop paying your Biblical-Terror-bills!

[aspasia6]

Stop the rockets and the fuel will resume!

[desidesi21]

Give back the stolen land and every thing will be fine. Go back to countries where you came from, no one's gonna persecute you again. Isn't your terrorist state the only state in the world that grants automatic citizenship to 'Jews'. Why? Oh just 'cuz' they're Jews. Even Saudia and Iran Don't do that to muslims. Wake up to reality you extremist robbers.

[ShalomMF]

Israel is our country and was our country before the Palestinians were an itch in their father's jockstraps. For a biblical people Muslims have a short memory when it comes to the Old testament...and an even shorter one when it comes to losing wars they started.

[desidesi21]

Again, Thank you ShalomMF. You've opened up your Kahanist-Zionist-Terror mentality for every one to see. 'For a biblical people' ---> You need to realize that the whole world is not 'biblical people'. You're part of a less than 10% minority that has this supperior race complex. You theives call it 'your' country based on whats in a book that no one but you believes in. Thats called imposition of your beliefs on others.

[aspasia6]

80% of the land Israelis live on was purchased. What valid sources have you read regarding this issue? Zilch.

Why do Arabs not give their brethren aid, as Jews do? A little people, a selfish people, greedy, barbarous, and violent. Remember, it is the Arab world that is religiously intolerant, not Israel which boasts several mosques. What did Gazans do the the synagogues? Desecrated them!

aspacia

Deist, Feminist, Goy, Zionist

[desidesi21]

Talking about Judaism, its been hijacked by these Zionists. Using religion as a cover for justifying everything under the umbrella of fighting against 'anti-semitism'.

Judaism doesn't even approve of Zionism and all its ugly manifestations.

[mynameisnabiela]

I agree.

[ShalomMF]

Are you a jew ? I am and make no mistake - zionism is central to Judaism. because some Jewish lunatics meet Irans president makes you think Zionism is an abberations and therefore you can safely criticize it without being an anti-semite. stop lying to yourself. Israel is Jewish + supported by the majority of the world Jews. Zionism is the political extension of an integral Jewish belief. Come clear with your understanding : Judaism = Zionism.

[desidesi21]

And the irony is that Secular America pays for this 'Biblical Land' and all its misadventures. Israel's right to exist? err...on what basis? The Jewish Torah or the Midrash? Things that only these guys along with their avengelical extremist couterparts believe in. Not to mention how their zionist terrorist mentality sees this oppression as 'Kiddush Hashem'. Trust me you'll burn in hell along with your Maer Kahane!

[desidesi21]

Oh and please, would any Zionist volunteer to tell every one here what the two lines on that terrorist flag stand for? From the Nile (in Egypt) to the Eupharates (Iraq). Forgive me if I limited your prophecy to regions bounded by these two rivers. And yeah, Thank you Zionism! Please impose your beliefs and prophecies on every one else regardless of what they believe in! And yeah make sure you kill all them Palestinos on your way to that Greater Israel!

[desidesi21]

Genesis 18: "The Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying unto thy seed have I given this land from the river of Egypt [the Nile] unto the great river, the River Euphrates"

[Ayeere]

You know how on maps of Europe in like the 1600's u see like the Holy Roman Empire in its shade of Blue next to a Green france, and in the sea of Holy Roman Blue, you see a lil green blot on the map, b/c somehow france own's that area. What if Israel was given like 1 sq mile on the Euphrates and Nile? Maybe that will satisfy them, and they can leave palestine alone.

[Ilikelink]

you guys are so clueless, you can see none of you have been to Israel. nobody in israel wants the nile or the euphrates. what they want is to be left alone in the present day state of israel

[Ilikelink]

it's not true the two blue lines stand for the nile and the euphrates, that's a piece of the most stupid arab propaganda. the two blue lines stand for the two blue lines on a jewish prayer shawl, and possibly the jordan river and the mediterannean sea

[desidesi21]

Well people in Israel don't want the Nile or Euphrates now because they can't even stabalize the land they've already stolen. There's no question about stealing more at this time. As for calling this propoganda, well there are Biblical evidences to it. I quoted just one. Although the point can still be argued over, it is still stronger than your answer that the stripes represent, 'possibly the jordan river and the mediterannean sea'

[desidesi21]

These Prophecy fulfillment seekers have terrorized the whole world. I just read a few Zionist comments here from representatives of the 'chosen people'. If these guys were that chosen, why couldn't they prevent the holocaust? They say all Palestinians are legitimate targets since they voted for Hamas. These guys need to stop coughing up on that American money for the world knows that if this cash stops trickling in, they won't be able to oppress these people for more than 45 minutes.

[MustafaPresents]

Patience, patience---the oppressors will meet their due.

[Ayeere]

I am not a fan of Israel, but i will say this:

The Arab Jordanians who ruled jerusalem before the 1967 war, prevented Jews from vistiing holy places, and Israel lets Muslims to out holy places, and christians to thiers. Jews are not even allowed on the temple mount that thier people built.

I dont know why Jerusalemn cannot just be given to them, We muslims have plenty of other cities, that are much more Holy.

[sufastorm]

Yes, the oppresive regimes of Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, UAE, Oman, Libya, Egypt, Jordan. I'm affraid no government has the monopoly of oppresion in the region.

[bmodest]

so while electricity is powering the all-night clubs and brothels in Tel-Aviv, Palestinian families are left with none to cook and feed their families.

the irony of the 'holy land.'

[ShalomMF]

Dude, go back to Taliban-land if you dont like night clubs and brothels or better yet - impose sharia on everyone so youll be happy...Israel owes the Palestinians nothing. Not electricity, not water, not fuel, not medical help. Look at it from isarel's point of view - Palestinians are constantly trying to kill them. educating their children to hate jews and become terrorists and you expect israel to give them charity ? thats called irony

[desidesi21]

Asking SECULAR America to pay for your BIBLICAL terror-via-clusterbombs is called irony. Living on the support hand of American money to oppress people for the sake of your 'biblical' state is IRONY. Isn't Zionism imposing its beliefs on people who don't believe in those PROPHECIES by their land based thinking its their holy right? In just one statement you've showed how much you and your beliefs contradict themselves!

[desidesi21]

And you know what else is called irony? Your criticism of imposing beliefs on others, while you safely acknowledge the fact that your Biblical beliefs of 'the holy land' have been IMPOSED on people who don't believe in them. I know this zionist mentality calls such oppression, 'Kiddush Hashem'. Trust me, Hell awaits you, and if you get lucky you'll be burning with your homeboy Maer Kahane

[jinjobimboni]

The israelis destroyed the parts of palestine they couldn't steal, and destroyed southern lebanon to set the native populations back 100 years. Shame on israel. Remember that it is israelis that have forced palestinians off their own land. Voting for hamas does not make one a target for humiliation, torture, or dehumanizing sanctions against the basic commodities of life such as food and fuel, however this is what is happening.

[ShalomMF]

every israeli and jew is a legitimate target because they support israel, right ? turn the tables - if you support hamas you support the destruction of israel. gaza (and the rest of palestine) voted hamas into power therefore support the destruction of israel therefore they are legitimate targets...until the Palestinians recognize israel's right to exist and stop trying to destroy how can they expect charity from israel ? arab logic is truly batty...

[CreepinDeath777]

I could not have said it any better myself.

[Ilikelink]

the media all over the world focuses on the suffering of ordinary palestinians, but they never focus on the suffering of ordinary people in other parts of the world which results from military action, and in most of the world they also give a skewed view of the conflict, making it seem like all palestinians are poor and wretched

[Ayeere]

Well palestinians are poor. They dont have the opportunity for wealth. They cannot export, they dont import anything that Israel does not approve. I agree not much attention is givne else where, but that does not diminish the suffering of these people.

[ShalomMF]

The Palestinians deserve it. They support Hamas, which calls for Israel's destruction, which launches rockets into Israel daily, sent suicide bombers in to Israel (until the Separation Wall stopped that thankfully) and then when israel hits back at them, cries for humanitarian help. Please ! No Sympathy for Terrorists. Stop trying to destroy Israel and it will let you live in Peace. Accept it's right to Exist and peace will come but until then damn you

[optiqu]

long live to hamas

[mofdaddy]

crazynncamel, you do realize collective punisment, which is exactly what this is, is a war crime?

[sufastorm]

When a country is at war with a state it is unreasonable to expect it to continue trading with it. All wars will inevitably affect civilians. You can use your arguement to suggest any war is collective punishment.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

it is not only that israel has refused to trade, they have effectively blockaded all access to the gaza strip and made it a huge prison. this is not a war, they are occupying innocent people by blockading and controling lands that do not belong to them. this is in contradiction to all international law and norms. the israeli elite prove once again that their savage stance towards the world does not have peace in mind.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

the palestinians have had no option but to fight back. political and diplomatic calls for peace and a two state solution have always been met with israeli terrorism and aggression. mainly thanks to the US supporting israel diplomatically and the US media supporting the pro-israeli eltie lies.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

israel can do what it wants when it is in line with US policy, but when they want to do somehting the US does not want, the politicians in washington put them in their place. israel's industry mainly rests on high tech weapons systems; this industry and technology has been a gift from the US in the idea that israel will not do something against US goals. when israel wanted to sell high-tech to china, the US forced them out of it and threatend to embaress them. israel complied to its US master.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

the israeli governemnt's expansionist dreams and US interest are the only things standing in the way of peace.

[ShalomMF]

you dont know history. the palestinians are the ones that have had to be forced to accept a two state soluton. they are the ones (along with most other arab states) who struggle to accept that israel even has a right to exist...so how can it have been them in favor of a 2 state solution when they couldnt even acknowledge that the other state existed, while it thrived and prosper3d and they sunk into desperation and poverty and terrorism

[jklasdfjdfksl]

im not talking about early 20th century history, i am talking about a time period relevant to the present prospects for peace. the fact that most media has obscured is that hamas, after it was elected, was unilaterally carrying out a cease fire for a year an a half while calling for discussions towards peace and a two state solution. israel refused to talk and escalated bombings, assasinations, and death raides in the occupied territories.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

israel is threated by diplomacy and calls to peace which would halt their illegal aggression and expansion over the much needed water resources and land of the occupied territories. israeli military then continued to push hamas back towards a militaristic stance because the calls for peace and settlement threatened their goals of conquering land.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

hezbollah's stance and iran's stance has been to respect a palestinian solution, including a two-state solution, desptie the fact that they believe it should rightfully be one palestine.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

israeli aggression, terrorism and kidnappings led to an end of the ceasefire hamas was carrying out during their uniliateral call for peace and a two-state solution. hezbollah expressed their solidarity with the suffering of the palestinians with border raids. israel responded by commiting war aggression against lebanon.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

israel refuses to abide by all international law and norms, refused to recognize palestinians right to exist, refuses to give up violence and brutal conquest and oppression of palestinians. it is ridiculous for this brutal war aggressor to ask the palestinians to do the same thing.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

massacres and war crimes were commited by the israeli troops and bombings, like in 1982 when the PLO's call for diplomacy and peace threatened israel's expansionist aims. the main threat to peace is US/israeli continued rejection of peace. they do not feel they have to accept peace because of their military strength.

[ShalomMF]

if you cant see that iran and hizbullah use the palestinian cause as an excuse for promoting their own power, under the banner of defending human rights, then you are blind. " evil is never so convincing as when it pretends to be redemptive "

[ShalomMF]

hamas was willing to call a 10 year truce as a way to get israel off their back whilst they accumulated weapons and training to try to eventually destroy israel. if they wanted peace then why not state clearly that they accept israels righ to exist ? because they dont and they never will and israel cannot cut them any breaks until they do, if they ever do

[desidesi21]

RE: Israel can NEVER 'cut' ANYONE any 'breaks'. When American people stop paying your BIBLICAL-TERROR BILLS, you won't be this Macho man anymore. It's ironic that Americans pay for imposition of something that you believe in, upon people who don't believe in it, and wait it gets spicier, even while majority of Americans don't believe in it. Realize that the entire world is not 'biblical people', and your biblical Utopia will not be achieved no matter how much terror you spread in the region.

[ShalomMF]

" blockaded all access to the gaza strip and made it a huge prison. this is not a war "

this not a war ? tell that to hamas...

[jklasdfjdfksl]

it is not a war, it is the israeli army using high tech equipment to commit terrorist attacks and criminal war aggression and conquest in territories they illegally posses, and against civilians who have been forced to take up arms in self defense.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

how can people not realize that peace would be more likely to come if israel stoped brutally attacking and oppressing palestinians and obeyed standards of international norms and conducts that were set up in order to maintain peace after the horrors of WWII.

[desidesi21]

You've said it all, you've said it well!

[sufastorm]

The innocence of the general population of Gaza is disputed by no one. Blockade is not in contradiction to international laws and norms (Iran is currently under sanctions which potentially could result in blockade as Iraq was throughout the '90's).

[crazycatfguy]

This is not a war it is an illegal occupation. This is a war crime even if the occupation was legal under international law.

[ShalomMF]

war crime ? a little rich coming from Arabs with so much blood on their hands...

[crazycatfguy]

Read the Old Testament. It's a wonder that there are any Arabs left after centuries of genocide.

[Ilikelink]

what centuries of genocide you idiot? where do people like you get these crazy ideas?

THERE'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF ARABS IN JERUSALEM NOW THAN THERE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NINETEENTH CENTURY. in those days over half the population of the city was jewish (before zionism), now it's less than half

[crazycatfguy]

I told you where you could find it you idiot.

[Ayeere]

Just out of curiosity which genocides, and how many deaths qualify as genocide?

What are the names of the camps?

by what percentage has the arab population decreased and for how long?

I am just curious, becuase genocide's definition has changed from what the holocuast was to a car accident.

[crazycatfguy]

It would take probably weeks with an electronically searchable old testament to provide all info and I am not willing to do that for you. If you are interested I suggest you read the old testament for yourself or download a free program yourself. You could probably just search for foreskins because god liked to see piles of those.

[Ayeere]

Weren't arabs mostly in the arabian peninsula and mesopotamia area until like 600 AD when they invaded everywhere they? Phoencians in lebanon, egyptians in egypt, persians in perisa, phontics in pontus?

[Ayeere]

they could*

[Ayeere]

I think you missed my point. I've read the old testament. God's affinity for Jews, abraham, moses, adam, psalm's, etc etc.

What i was getting at was how u equate military defeats thousands of years ago to genocide, in that case, every army in every nation commited genocide, which cheaps the word.

[crazycatfguy]

Well since god specified tribes and ordered all members of those tribes killed down to the last child I think that qualifies for the modern definition. There is no indication that these people were a military threat to the Jews. God ordered them dead for reasons like they were an abomination to him etc.

[Ayeere]

that is what i was looking for! i though u meant like directly against the arabs.

[crazynncamel]

They have enough money and energy to launch rockets to Israel

Nobody is forcing this situation, all they have to do is to stop the pathetic shooting to Israel

[Bm0h]

well maybe if Israel doesn't infringe on their human rights and force them into the ghetto you call gaza they wouldn't need to fight BACK.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

not only that they are infringing on their right, israel has continually refused to accept peace; even during the time when hamas observed an ceasefire for a year and a half. israel just continued to commit assasinations and murder raids until they got a response. israel wants to make sure that peace and diplomacy do not work so they can have a justification for their aggression and expansion. t

[Sultan1923]

Israel is a terrorist-state.

[ShalomMF]

What does that mean ? that israel teaches its kids with mickey mouse cartoons to aspire to becoming a suicide bomber ? that israel has in its founding declaration that it seeks to destroy the another state ? that israel's religion explicitly states that it must kill arabs ? these are all things that apply to Palestin. So tell me, you who perfected the art of blowing up pizaa parlors and airport lobbys and has 10 year old girls singing about the glory of shahid, who is a terrorist ?

[desidesi21]

I'll tell you who's a terrorist. Who teaches that stolen land is now their's based on what's contained in a centuries old book that's not considered holy by 90% of the world population. All that you're ranting about is REACTION to what you and your belief system has done. Isn't your state the only state in the world to grant automatic citizenship to all Jews, just cuz they're JEws. Even Saudia doesn't do that to muslims.

[Darwinek]

Another proof that Israel is a totalitarian state.

[hajqbvii]

Undo hardshhip?......