"Bill Drill" revisited

[jademming]

Your hands are supposed to be above your shoulders to start if you want to do the real Bill Drill

[shootingcoach]

@jademming

Dunno know about that. Rob Leatham and Brian Enos are the ones who taught it to me. They developed it along with Bill Wilson (hence the name) and we did it hands at sides or surrender.

[SFWarrior365]

Good Grief,,, is everyone that responds here an airsoft nerd??? The questions you people ask make me wonder if any of you have ever shot a real firearm. Do some reading and get some training,,,, watching coaches videos are great and good for refresher but cannot take the place of actual traing by a qualified firearms instructor or training school.

[NerdInTangelo]

Keep pressing "1"... ; )

[Olkowsr]

was that a ricochet i heard whining in the back ground on shot 4-5 inthe second clip? Very nice shooting

[drivinggodspeed]

love your vids. thanks for the professional attitude and pointers.

[therealdestructicus]

how big is the A zone, where is it located on he target?

[Infiltrator667]

When firing a gun, do you have to compensate for the recoil?

[cv0lv0g0]

@Infiltrator667 yes he is watch....train train train practice with you firearm

[ThunderousWrath]

@Infiltrator667

"Compensating for recoil" is not a good idea. You don't want to anticipate recoil, because you will learn a habitual flinch. You DO want to recognize your recoil and work with it, which is not quite the same as compensation; you cannot fight it, you have to let it play out before you can shoot again. "Compensating" sounds to me like fighting the gun, and that's bad; watch some of this guy's other videos, he explains much better than I can.

[Zohaib1]

was pretty awesome but isnt it amazing how much cooler guns sound in videogames/movies (collateral mozambique drill scene with two punks in alley)

[Quartz91]

How do you stop the clock?

[buckonz]

@Quartz91 : This is a shooters time. It "listens" for the bangs and each time it hears one it counts the time between them and adds them up. When you have finished shooting you hit the button and it stops.

[redmunkee]

@buckonz I do believe it can be also programmed to stop itself after it "hears" a certain number of shots, right?

[bishwarai]

what do you call the timing device that you have hangging on your left hip ?

[bearsfan1294]

@bishwarai shot timer

[rebel1211888]

@Watcher3223 for the record some pistols are labeled as "automatic" such as the ruger p95dc automatic pistol. This is not implying its firing funtion is that of a fully automatic machine or sub machine gun only that the loading apparatus is automated as opposed to the revolver style previously prevalent in the market.

[Watcher3223]

@rebel1211888

True enough.

"Automatic" in that spent casings are ejected, a live cartridge is chambered and, if the pistol is single action or capable of such a mode, the hammer cocked back or the striker primed for the next shot all in one cycle of the action using energy, either through blowback or recoil, from the firing of the cartridge.

A revolver, of course, uses human energy to rotate the drum for the next shot rather than energy from the cartridge.

[speak101]

good day sir

[Watcher3223]

"A 1985 study in atlanta georgia (as far as im aware the only one of its type) found that a firearm in the house meant that spousal abuse was 1200% more likely to escalate into spousal murder"

And who did the study?

I told you who did the study for the data I've presented.

And, your tidbit ignores data from the Kennesaw Police Department where the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring the heads households to own a gun. Crime dropped dramatically. (.243 every 1,000 people)

[passwordresetisbroke]

"I would also posit"

The average individual almost certainly would (or I hope they would at least), but simply put, for every one or two decent people out there there is someone with a drink problem or the like who is prone to violence. Imagine all those little neighborhood squabbles that persist literally everywhere, then imagine them with the addition of firearms.

[passwordresetisbroke]

Though I have seen many references of the correlation between being armed and self confidence and agression, im having a damndable time finding the sources :/

I dont want a gun ban, far from it, I actually want more freedoms for those who are suitable, responsible and such, and less guns in the hands of those who arent, your suggestion was just arming more people, but if that just happens, then while more "good" people will be armed, so will more "bad".

[passwordresetisbroke]

"Not ... employed"

Ah yes, because sexual education in schools has wiped out teenage pregnancy.

Simply put, even the best people make mistakes, so firearms accidents will always happen, arming the majority of the citizenship will make guns more widespread, thus simply causing firearms accidents to skyrocket through sheer force of numbers alone.

"Plus, ... baseless."

Mind linking to that article? cant find it :(

[passwordresetisbroke]

Just have to add however.

"In addition, the victim may be trained to have situational awareness. "

You did post this jokingly didnt you? I hope so.

[clocwirkoj]

Comments section? More like the never-ending argument section. Falcore should be here any minute.

[308carter]

Why is it called a Bill Drill?

[utacconi]

Because this drill was originally coined by Bill Wilson, owner of Wilson Combat and one of the founders of IDPA.

[refresh77]

Great shooting sir, thanks for uploading your videos.

[trek891]

Wow...

[Valetudo21]

Hmm interesting idea.

[Valetudo21]

i wish i could learn to squeeze the trigger that fast and steady.

[Watcher3223]

You can. It takes training, practice, and being accustomed to shooting, though. But, anyone can do it; all you have to do is put forth the effort to learn and practice.

Train like you fight, fight like you train.

[SpitRhyma]

Ummmmmm no... you have to put in $5000 in ammunition a year.

Thanks for your inspirational words though!

[Watcher3223]

You don't always have to practice with ammo; various aspects of handling a pistol, such as trigger control and drawing, can be done through dry fire practice.

[SpitRhyma]

you not only need ammo for this kind of practice but you need the same kind of ammo you use to defend yourself which can be very expensive.

the whole concept of this is for your hands to return to the same position after the gun cycles.

while dry firing  helps you learn to keep your hands steady when it clicks, it'll leave you shocked when you do it with live ammo.

also i don't understand how this guy's eyes/brain can work THAT fast.... wholy shit

[Watcher3223]

"also i don't understand how this guy's eyes/brain can work THAT fast"

Please don't take this the wrong way but, if you can't understand how he can move that fast, then how can you lecture me?

Furthermore, dry fire drills are encouraged by trainers, such as "Front Sight."

However, you do need to practice live fire drills as well. But, if you are not experienced, dry fire helps to train your mind not to anticipate; the trigger pull must be what's known as the "surprise break."

[Watcher3223]

In addition, you can use FMJ ammo in lieu of JHP or SWC for defensive training. This is because defensive firearm use is going to center around close quarters combat where the differences between ammo types that can affect how the round can travel isn't too much of an issue.

The use of JHP in live fire training is more going to determine the reliability of such ammo in the weapon of your choice, especially on pistols such as the M1911, which wasn't designed to fire JHPs and SWCs to begin with.

[SpitRhyma]

You CAN use anything you want. You SHOULD practice with what you WILL use. This isn't my oppinion. It's an accepted fact about firearms kiddo. I appreciate your enthusiasm.

[Watcher3223]

The only time it may be appropriate to train with the ammo you may use is if the ammo is going to be more powerful than the standard in FMJ, such as +P JHP.

[SpitRhyma]

LoL are you southern american?

That sentence made no sense but you're most likely wrong because you ALWAYS should train with the ammo you use. It's not an oppinion it's a fact and common sense. Type in that sentence in google and you'll see we're right.

[Watcher3223]

"LoL are you southern american?"

And what in the world is that supposed to mean?

The one question I'd like to ask is what is the matter with you to ask such a question, which also makes a stereotypical suggestion?

As for where I'm from; I'm, more or less, from all over because I was an "Army brat."

[SpitRhyma]

Watcher it's unfortunate that you've wasted so much space rambling on when you could have looked at the video on my 1st comment and figured out how pointless your comments are. This video is one of many videos. THIS PARTICULAR VIDEO has NOTHING to do getting your sight on target... That would be the one where he just shoots each target ONCE. This video is aimed to show you how you can practice follow ups

NOT OPPINION/KNOWN FACT: Follow up shots MUST BE PRACTICED with live ammo

[Watcher3223]

"it's unfortunate that you've wasted so much space rambling on when you could have looked at the video on my 1st comment and figured out how pointless your comments are"

I was replying to YOUR comment you made directly to ME.

"NOT OPPINION/KNOWN FACT: Follow up shots MUST BE PRACTICED with live ammo"

And what was the point of this tidbit?

1. I already know that.

2. I never contested the need to practice follow up shots.

[Watcher3223]

3. You must be able to master fundamentals in gun handling first, such as properly pulling the trigger WITHOUT anticipating recoil nor attempting to compensate for it. You must be able to have good follow through before you can ever have good follow ups.

[CaptAdams35]

Put a lighter trigger pull in your pistol. The 3# is way faster and easier to pull than the 8

[yehend]

Thanks for all the tips.

[guitaristwagner]

that looks offally desserted lol

[d5crimson]

Remind me to stay the hell outta his backyard lol...

[SSkawronska]

The Galco IWB, is it the Royal Guard? And does it have a band for keeping the holster open against belt tension for one-handed reholstering? Been thinking about going to an IWB rig now that I've lost weight.

[soldiersoto]

great shooting

[shootingcoach]

It's funny how those who aren't capable of doing something don't believe it can be done and try to attack those who can. If there were holes in the target, you would be able to see them. That's why the camera angle is over the shoulder. Because some other tard made the same comment when I shot the video from the side. There are no holes in the target and I can do this drill like that all day long.

[gandb21]

YouTube is rampant with ignorant know-it-alls isn't it? Your videos are great, I enjoy them. 5/5.

[01KravenMoorehead]

And the know-it-alls give the impression of never having fired a shot in their young lives!

[rlscs63]

I knew a guy with the last name Moorehead while in 1/16 Infantry and yes I agree to your comment so true.

[rlscs63]

Yes lol good way to put it those who aren't capable dont believe it can be done.

[01KravenMoorehead]

You don't know what you're talking about, buga.

[KurNorock]

You can clearly see the bullets impacting the ground behind the target. Obviously the bullets are passing through the target.

[idespiseall]

I apologize if this question has been asked before, but what holster do find gives the best blend of access for the shooter and retention of the weapon?

Are you using a fobus in the videos?

Thanks for the videos (and hopefully a reply).

[shootingcoach]

I apologize, I can't remember which holster that is. It's not Fobus (don't like em). My competition gear is CR SPEED, my carry holster is Galco IWB. There are several good choices, but picking a holster is like picking underwear. A lot depends on your build, lifestyle and preference. Some like boxers, others like briefs. Try a couple to find one that fits you.

[Utuberman1]

Nice shoot'n mate!!!

[kieranjd]

dudes a champion, makes clint eastwood look like a fairy

[misterflip20]

not the fastest ive seen...but frikin accurate...couldnt do better myself...

[bladerrunner422]

thats what its about

[TruthUnderFire]

Who cares if you are faster than 1.7 if you are not acurate?

[misterflip20]

the target could be very large and its always scary to see somebody with a pistol totally unloading his/her frikin mag on you in a really short amount of time.

[halfbread1986]

i hope no one tries to mug you.

[Hairysteed]

only a suicidal person would!

[KirShizzle]

Hahaha, agreed. One of my first thoughts actually.

[ianthegeek]

Look, when a guy has an outline from his wallet on his pants, dont mess with him haha

[JimShorts72287]

The wallet is bait for the would-be thief. He's saying, "come on buddy, just try it."

[Watcher3223]

Or, enough people being armed would make a would-be thief reconsider what he is about to do.

Are the credit cards and $50 really worth risking his life over?

[Watcher3223]

Of course, that's the whole point with effective armed self defense.

Good ordnance combined with good training and practice.

The world would be so much better off if more law-abiding people were trained and armed. Criminals and tyrannical governments would think twice about screwing the people over.

[cipher2012]

Or maybe the fights would just be more intense. Skill goes both ways (;

[Watcher3223]

Perhaps.

Crime, however, is usually done when opportunity presents itself. The chance of an armed encounter with a victim who is carrying makes the attacker think about whether they should or shouldn't; facing an armed victim escalates the risk to the attacker.

It's true that skill goes both ways, but criminals usually don't want to deal with an armed encounter; they'd usually rather deal with easy pickings.

With rare exceptions, attackers are more like hyenas than lions.

[passwordresetisbroke]

While more armed citizens may reduce crime rates, what it certainly will do is increase the amount of violence involved in crime.

EG. If your victim may potentially draw on you, you arent going to threaten them and rough them up a bit, you are just going to incapacitate them as quickly as possible.

Also, more armed citizens will increase domestic murder rates, I mean hell, your neighbor/wife is not going to argue with you if you pull a gun. Guns often make people more stupid and aggresive.

[passwordresetisbroke]

Plus the rate of accidental shootings will go through the roof.

The rate of suicides will increase markedly.

Plus I think most criminals worth thier salt will try to "upgun". Eg. if your likely to have a concealed pistol drawn on you, then you would strive to have an automatic and a vest

So maybe another method would be better to reduce crime. But none that I can think of preserve the liberty of ordinary citizenship.

[Watcher3223]

"Plus the rate of accidental shootings will go through the roof."

Not an issue so long as proper gun handling and storage practices are employed, education to unauthorized persons is done (such as teaching kids what to do if a gun's in the room: STOP, DON'T TOUCH, LEAVE THE AREA, TELL AN ADULT), and strict adherence to basic gun safety doctrines.

Plus, as the National Safety Council has recorded steadily decreasing accident fatalities despite rising gun ownership, your claim is baseless.

[Watcher3223]

"The rate of suicides will increase markedly."

How? Do you understand what causes suicidal behavior?

A person roughly becomes suicidal when the perceived pain in life becomes less tolerable than death.

Ergo, banning guns won't cause suicide to abate because you don't solve the underlying cause, which is unique to each suicidal person.

There are other effective means for a determined person to commit suicide, such as jumping off a high rise building or overdosing on depressant medications.

[Watcher3223]

"Plus I think most criminals worth thier salt will try to 'upgun'....."

Impractical for most criminals and most violent crimes of opportunity; automatic weapons aren't practical to conceal without looking out of place and body armor can communicate out of your clothes.

Both will make a criminal stand out, increasing risk of unwanted attention, especially from law enforcement.

[Watcher3223]

Plus, not everyone may decide to carry concealed, even in areas where it's allowed. This means you still can't know for sure who is carrying and who isn't provided the weapon is properly concealed.

[Watcher3223]

Plus, victims that fight back increases the risk to criminals.

Crime may abate because outlaws would rather operate in places where armed resistance is less likely, reducing the risk.

Most criminals are more like hyenas than lions.

[Watcher3223]

"So maybe another method would be better to reduce crime. But none that I can think of preserve the liberty of ordinary citizenship."

Because what you're proposing effectively punishes the law-abiding for the actions of the lawless.

You ultimately can't pass laws that aim to prevent crime. The only laws that work are those that recognize what is wrong and subscribe punishment for a crime AND if the suspect is successfully convicted of such crime under due process of law.

[Watcher3223]

"While more armed citizens may reduce crime rates, what it certainly will do is increase the amount of violence involved in crime."

Can you prove this, or is this presumptuous speculation?

"EG. If your victim may potentially draw on you, you arent going to threaten them and rough them up a bit, you are just going to incapacitate them as quickly as possible."

Speculative. In addition, the victim may be trained to have situational awareness.

[Watcher3223]

"more armed citizens will increase domestic murder rates"

Speculative.

"your neighbor/wife is not going to argue with you if you pull a gun"

Presumptuous. You cannot assume that a person will use force unwisely in these situations.

I would also posit the possibility that the average individual would most likely refrain from bringing lethal force into such a contest because of the consequences of doing so.

[Watcher3223]

"Guns often make people more stupid and aggresive."

Prove it on an individual basis.

You can't group people into the same category and apply what you feel is a panacea.

And, as we have the concept of "presumption of innocence" in due process, you can't suspend or eliminate individual liberties on what's essentially presumption of guilt.

Your justifications for a gun ban is presumption of guilt before any wrongdoing is ever actually committed (what Philip K. Dick referred to as "precrime").

[passwordresetisbroke]

"How ... medications."

While people who truly want to die will off themselves regardless, most people who attempt suicide dont really want to die, that is why they phone the ambulance/loved ones, and then hopefully get treated, though not always, however this isnt a real possibility with a firearm. That is why more than 50% of "successful" suicides are firearm suicides,

That is why the suicide rate will go up, admittedly it may not go up much at all, I just assume it will go up a fair bit.

[passwordresetisbroke]

"Impractical ... so"

By automatic I basically meant bodging semi pistols to be full, admittedly not a step up, but still worse. And concealed body armour while visible yes is hard to spot, so I wouldnt trust police officers to see it reliably, nevermind normal people.

[passwordresetisbroke]

Not everyone carrying doesnt matter, if the chances are high of someone carrying, you will treat them as if they are, regardless.

Yes it would move some criminals away to "greener pastures" but it would also increase the severity of attacks, I dont understand how you cant see that simple logic

[Watcher3223]

"Not everyone carrying doesnt matter, if the chances are high of someone carrying, you will treat them as if they are, regardless."

Most criminals that know this are less likely to mess around with people because they don't want to risk getting shot at.

Again, criminals are more like hyenas than lions.

A study commissioned by the Clinton Administration found that firearms were used 1.5 million times a year for defensive uses. Most of the time, a shot is never fired; the criminal retreats.

[Watcher3223]

"people who attempt suicide dont .. want to die, that is why they phone .. ambulance/loved ones, and then .. get treated, though not always, ... this isnt a possibility with a firearm"

How?

When suicide is a cry for help, hesitancy to execute the act will exist even with a firearm.

Also, under your logic, you'd ban high rises because falling from a tall building is instant death.

Besides, the CDC has been recording a DECLINE in firearm suicides since 1998 despite increasing gun ownership.

[passwordresetisbroke]

I know hesitancy to act would exist with a firearm, what I mean is that those people who say swallow a fist full of pills, THEN have a change of heart and get treatment (which is much more common that I thought it was untill I had experience of it :?), if they had access to a firearm they wouldnt be able to have thier pathetic little change of heart.

Please read posts.

Mind showing me a link to the CDC figures? I want to see. Also why is the centre for disease control researching suicide?

[passwordresetisbroke]

Bah meant to add, this usually happens with things supposed to be relatively painless, like pills and wrist cutting. And as far as im aware firearms are supposed to be painless. Though Ive never thought of offing myself :D

[passwordresetisbroke]

Talking to you is like I imagine talking to a brick would be, yet the brick would likely garner more information from it.

Most criminals would yes, I never denied that, for the love of god READ. what I said is that the ones who remain will be forced to become more violent in response. Use your mind please.

Everyone knows semis can be converted into fully automatics (albiet with varying degrees of success) which is what I said in my post, again learn to READ

[passwordresetisbroke]

You can get IIIA rated vests which are only somewhere along a CM thick on the trauma area these days, moreover they are designed to have no raises/ridges so you wouldnt notice them unless the person was wearing a skintight t-shirt (which I imagine you probably would) IIIA is good for 9s, maybe 45 though your running a risk without a plate.

Again please read, and understand and think. Im begging you for petes sake.

[Watcher3223]

So, you basically never had the problem of being suicidal nor had to deal with people that have had this kind of problem.

What gives you the right to talk about it as if you had the answers, then?

[passwordresetisbroke]

Where in my posts did I say ive never had to deal with them you worthless little shit. READ FOR FUCKS SAKE, just because I say I <READ THE LETTER! have never doesnt mean I havent known people who havent.

READ FOR FUCKS SAKE, what is wrong with you?!

[Watcher3223]

"Where in my posts did I say ive never had to deal with them you worthless little shit. READ FOR FUCKS SAKE"

Debate has ended. If you are going to talk to me like that, then I will no longer waste my time and energies discussing anything with you.

You are no longer communicating rationally as evidenced by your outburst.

I refuse to participate in a flame war.

[Watcher3223]

" if they had access to a firearm they wouldnt be able to have thier pathetic little change of heart."

Explain. Otherwise, it's baseless conjecture (and, judging by your crass use of the word "pathetic," I'd posit that you have a superiority complex backed by false concern of others).

[SpitRhyma]

Clearly posting comments on youtube videos is your life as I can see your name several times in each page of comments... Remember me? I was under the impression that this guy aims both shots and asked "How can he be so fast?" -- Your reply basically concluded that I needed to learn how to dry fire the gun 1st. Irrelevant! Obviously I can aim ONCE just fine if I'm interested in double tap. However the proper (and relevant) answer would be that you DON'T aim the 2nd shot... you rely on kinesthesia

[Watcher3223]

@SpitRhyma

So, you're replying to an old post, in effect reviving it but not so much to discuss anything but to try and put me down?

There is a phrase for this: beating the dead horse.

Let it go.

[stiles72]

The intent of a bill drill for training is to get you to track the front sight during recoil so that you are seeing it during fast splits. You can't hit A's @ 10y consistently with just kinesthetic feedback, you need a sight picture when the shot breaks.

The other thing this drill will reinforce is how to press the gun back into your sight picture after you absorb the recoil so the front sight isn't high or doesn't dip. Now there's the kinesthesia, but it's related to the sight picture.

[killaman2881]

@halfbread1986 lol i do ....because he'll have 6 reasons (the bullets) why the guy should back the fuck up....im waitin for the day some one tries something

[Primal67060]

@killaman2881 Very true but gotta remember not to be on your A game when you take someone down even if it is a bad person trying to cause harm. You better be on your AAA+ game because no matter who, it will make a huge impact on you as the shooter mentally, legally or both. Taking a persons life no matter what has serious and possibly life long repercussions on the mind.

[eloteman187]

Hooray for the Pt-1911. My buddy got me shooting. Hes into ipsc and has a handy dandy STI edge. He said this was a good starter gun, as did shootingtimes. Im happy with mine. And props to Coach for once again proving true that "its the indian, not the arrow" (to a degree at least).

[caliber10]

You are A very good teacher sir!!

[mohepworth]

what distance was this?

thanks

[shootingcoach]

It is at 7 yards.

[Cuning66]

How much is a pt1911?

[crazycuts05]

You can get them for $500-$650 depending on finish and if it is the AR model. Well worth it, I own a stainless and it's a perfect 1911 for the money. Not as good as my Kimber but for less than 1/2 the cost it can't be beat.

[armoredpig]

every pt1911 owner i've seen has stood behind their choice 110%--i'm certain itll be a fine choice when i get one myself =-]

thats some damn fine shooting btw! thanks for sharing!

[STEVEN3601]

thanks coach

[dashwerks]

Thanks for the vids lurper, i'm a fellow PT1911 user

[shootingcoach]

Just happened to be the gun I had that day. But, I will say that my Taurus is as good as any 1911 I have shot over the years. This one is 6 months old and has about 14,000 rounds through it w/o a malfunction.

[Intersonus903]

Cool.

I recently had a chance to test fire a Wilson Combat KZ-45 M1911A1 with 100 rounds of Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.

It kept failing to feed occasionally (which I partially choke up to limited experience that I hope to work on through practice). But, it did have a nice, crisp feeling trigger.

But, for the price, there are likely better alternatives such as the Taurus.

[mikemdc]

Why Taurus?

[phamax111]

its a good pistol believe me i was skeptical on the pt1911 but lemme tell ya this puppy has a nice trigger pull compared to my buddy's springfield