Hezbollah quits the government because the tribunal will provide evidence of
Hezbollah's hand in the Hariri killing. They present themselves as protectors of Lebanon and are affraid there reputation will be tarnished if they are held responsible for the killing of Hariri, a leader loved by Sunnis, Shia and christians.
They prefer civil war if that can stop the tribunal from presenting there evidence to the Lebanese. They do not protect Lebanon but will destroy us just to hold on to power.
I hate the fact that the lebenese prisoners are said to be terrorists and the isralie soldiers are said to be heros- by everyone, The truth is that both should be niether treated as heros or prisoners, both sides have done horrible things and for that to be focused on one side is barbaric. You say that qantar killed a little girl ( 1 little girl) israel soldiers have probably lost count - this is two sided dont make one the vilan.
ronaldo320 : Samir Quntar did not kill the lil girl , it was the israeli soldier who were firing at Quntar , the soldiers were firing at samir and by accidentally they shot the girl ,the israelis are not ready to tell the world that those israeli soldiers did that bcoz they are " Hero's " as for Quntar he is considerd as a " terrorist " by the israelis , don't expect the israelis to tell u that they shot the girl this would be a shock for their ppl and the world :)
In case you havent relized israel never takes responsiblity for their actions it alway an excident or mistake and sometime they just flat out deny it no matter the evidence because they know they are able to get away with it. For example Gana both 1996 and 2006 the bombing of the U N base
The girl wasn't shot. You don't have the facts. What's your source of information?
What was Samir Kuntar doing in Israel in the first place? Taking a vacation? Get serious. Why was the girl with him on the beach? Because he took her from her home. He kidnapped her. When he was knew he was going to be captured, he killed her.
I don't support Israel, but this guy is no hero. He's a baby killer. Don't make him into a hero.
FrankCoffman : samir was on a mission in israel to kidnap Israeli soldiers to exchange them with Palistinians prisoners coz it was the only way to get back the prisoners , all his friends were killed samir was the only surviver but he was shot in his arm then he hided somewhere and found the girl and the father he took them with him to get out the girl was shot by the israelis then samir was captured anyways , Israel killed 1000's of Arab children no one talks about them check out Qana massacre
Thanks for your reply. I know about the Israeli bombing massacres at Qana in 1996 and again in 2006. Horrible. I don't support Israel's policies.
As for Samir Kuntar, thanks for your explanation, but I'm not sure it's entirely correct. According to Wikipedia, he had been training from age 14 (before Isreael invaded Lebanon) to raid into Israel. I think he killed the little girl. That wasn't his original plan, but he did kill her.
According to Wikipedia, "eyewitnesses said he [Samir Kuntar] smashed the head of 4 year-old Einat on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle."
That's the same story I've read elsewhere. Samir Kuntar kidnapped the girl and the girl's father from their apartment. When Kuntar knew that he was going to be captured, he shot the father in the back. Then, he crushed the girl's skull.
He killed two defenseless people. Does that sound like a hero to you?
FrankCoffman : u dont have to believe everything from the internet , i dont believe everything i read specially wikipedia , man samir told everyone that he didnt shoot that girl and why do u think i should trust ma enemy and the israeli source and not trust a Resistance fighter from ma own country ? , God Knows what happened all i can say is i trust more my country man than my enemy
"According to Wikipedia,eyewitnesses said he Samir Kuntar smashed the head of 4 yearold"
FrankCoff.DoNotBelieve erything u see online.ESpecaily Wiki,any1 canWrite there,even an israeli loyalist.Think about it.Remember what Israel has done,wat would happen if Israel told da world it killed a lil girl?Also,Samir was very careful with what he did,for U know he could hav commitedSuicide,but he didn't,because he would have been detested upon all the lebanese,so why would he kill a lil girl?
FrankCoffman YOU are nothing but a liberal who only knows the view as presented by arabs and the liberals who kiss their ass, like those Morons ISM and the LIARS HRW. You don't want to see the truth as it is.
You don't care about the truth. You just want to excuse Israel's violence. You demanded proof that Israel shelled the beach (which I gave), but you have no proof for the wild notion that the Palestinian mined their own beach.
No, Human Rights Watch are't "liars." HRW is a respected, impartial organization that has also criticized Hamas and Hezbollah.
Dictators and terrorists hate HRW. You have joined the ranks of those who can't stand HRW because it presents the facts about abuses.
Israel didnt lie, its just people like you love to suck on Arab cock so much you will believe anything...it's like a fashion statement to you. And yes HRW is a bunch of biased liars, no one else would take that line of work. What are you going to claim that ISM are a bunch of heroes instead of morons who buy into arab propaganda.
OK, now you're talking like a foul-mouthed jerk with vulgar insults and nasty personal attacks. That's your low level discourse. How moronic.
No one has ever called HRW "liars." Nor have you documented any lies. By the way, Hezbollah also hates HRW. Two years ago, Hezbollah tried to disrupt an HRW press conference in Beirut.
So, you are in the company of terrorists and dictators -- all of whom hate HRW because it tells the truth. A vulgar apologist like you can't stand the truth.
Israel has said over and over that if the rockets stop, then the war will end and negotiations can continue. Not all arabs are evil, however there are groups that seek war and the destruction of Israel. Hamas is not a hero and neither is any other terrorist organization.
This was a smart move on Israel's part, this is PR move to make Hizbollah be exposed for what they are... I think the exchange was very noble. I doubt other countries would do that.
?????!?! Genocide, who, Hezbollah? Israel? not sure what you mean, eithr way neither side is responsible for "Genocid" which BTW is a highly charged political term used by lots of people for propoganda, so if you are claiming Hezbollah is responsible for Genocide, ... nope, If you are claiing Israel is, also no highly likely, bottom line neither side is interested in "ethnic cleansing" :) if you will... Hezbolla loves to play that PR game and it's kind of cool to see Israel try and do the same.
Palastinians are not a whole group...they were people who were part of the Ottoman Empire, then the Palestinian Territories. Killing people is bad, yes...but to call it Genocide is stupid and ridiculous takes real meaning away from the word. Killing off a religion is a form of Genocide. Killing off the equivalent of an Muslim Arab group is not...Pals are Muslims and probably all came from the same place, Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
Lay off the stupidity...the world is sympathetic but not dumb
Also , you have no idea what real genocide is, Darfur where Arabs are killing Africans daily, that is GENOCIDE pal. 300,000 African villagers and counting.
Smer Kunter might have killed one poor litle innocent girl but but on the other hand IDF killed and still killding more innocent children then any other army in the world. So it would be better to alway take a look our inside the blamming others !!
Ruby997, that was a very stupid comment. you have no idea how much Israel gets.
we spend $40 billion a year defending japan, $8 billion a year goes to Egypt, $6 billion to Jordan, $20+ billion combined in Africa, oh, and the estimated trillions that will be invested in Iraq... yet you complain about $2.5 billion a year to Israel. you really are a math wiz, kudos, really, you definately solved our financial issues by cutting off a nation that recives a fraction of our foreign aid.
Thanks, BenJB07, for posting the numbers. The real story about Israel & Iran is that the US will allow them to take care of the world's problem, as happened when Israel took out Osirak. The world breathed a sigh of relief, & then it was back to business as usual.
Yeah there is a real problem when there are only 2 people to vote for and both are morons. A person should have to pass some sort of intelligence and morality test before they can run for president of the most powerful military on Earth.
It's scary.
Palistine doesn't need to worry about Americans. The Americans have far too many wars going on at once. They still have over half their navy protecting Japan from China and North Korea.
We British knew how to handle these ragheads. When they had a rebellion in India over pig fat grease on their rifle cartridges and it was against their religion to eat said fat, the East India Company was crushed and Brits were killed.
The military came over and strapped rebels onto the ends of cannons and obliterated their bodies. They sewed them up in pig carcasses and shot them. They ruled them with fear.
It seems to be all these savages understand and respond to.
I go to the store without worry of getting murdered.
I greet my neighbours an chat in the middle of the street. We don't worry about bulldozers running us over. That never ever happens here.
Never.
You people are creating your own hell on earth.
I always viewed the history of Christianity as a violent and savage one (another evil religion.) But Christians do have one thing going for them that jews and arabs NEED to adopt.
as an american of lebanese decent my only problem with israel not its existance but its actions and policies,stop the aggresion,free the palestenians,withdraw from occupied arab lands,and we might be best friends down the road.
i see two solutions to the problem,either the extermination of oneside(arab or jew)which is unacceptable,or the co existance in peace,so there is only one solution peace ,but to have peace we need to have justice.
I agree: at this point, Israel needs to take most of the steps necessary for peace. I support Israel's right to exist inside its pre-1967 borders. I think Israel was created in 1948 with noble and humanitarian ideals. But unfortunately, over the years, Israel has grown stubborn and arrogant.
Actually, there isn't just one "Israel." There are different elements and opinions in Israel. Unfortunately, the Israeli peace movement was dealt a big set-back by Palestinian suicide bombers.
Your comments are an example of the racial hatred, ethnic stereotyping and homophobia that cause violence and wars. You are a hater and a fanatic. Hitler would be proud of you.
like Fuck, do you REALLY think GOD/ALLAH the ultimate being of GOOD and PEACE would want you crushing people with bulldozers?!?
Wake up!
Jews/Israeli's/Zeus worshippers, we all know that media lies to us. We all know it. Don't be stupid. Assume for just 1 moment that this Lebonese lunatic didn't kill the child. I wasn't there. I haven't seen a film. Maybe some Israeli soldier shot her by accident?
You write: "I wasn't there. I haven't seen a film. Maybe some Israeli soldier shot her by accident?"
You are glossing over what the child-killer Samir Kuntar did. The girl wasn't shot. Her skull was crushed by Kuntar after he kidnapped her.
What do you think Kuntar was doing in Israel in 1979? Sight-seeing? No. He is a terrorist -- a brutal killer -- not a hero. Get the facts before you make any more ignorant statements. Don't make excuses for a ruthless murderer.
And just so you know, i'm not Christian, Muslim, Siek, Hindu, or Jewish. I've studied all religions and I think that you guys are missing the new revolution going on in developed nations like America, Europe and Northern Asia. Common sense first. Good before God.
Jews may as well worship Zeus as it fits their arrogance.
Arabs should worship Ares as it fits their bloodlust.
Then you can debate who should sit on mount Olympus, and fight just like you do now.
You want me to call you Israeli instead of jewish? Why? I don't really recognize Israel as a country. I see it as a region of the world in conflict. Any land rights you were granted by we British were lost the moment you began a greedy land grab.
Have you ever looked at the history of your people and thought, "Hmm, maybe God is trying to tell us we screwed up somewhere. Maybe Jesus really was the son of God? Or maybe that whole golden bull thing still pisses God off."
You British have a lot of balls. A good portion of the conflicts in the world are the result of British meddling in the affairs of others. For example, the Arab-Israeli conflict, the situation in Iraq, India-Pakistan-all involve places where the British colonizers and where the British instituted massive population exchanges. Why don't the British show some humility and some remorse for the mess they made in Palestine for instance? After all the damage you've caused, don't lecture the Jews.
I agree but why does this rule only apply to the Lebanese side and not the Israeli side? Why is there a Jewish exception when it kills Arab children and civilians?
Because, as you should be aware before you shoot your mouth off, Hezbollah were the ones who endangered the civilians by using them as shields. For once, even the UN was absolutely forced to agree to this fact. BUT, thanks for admitting where your bias lies when you say "Jewish" instead of "Israeli".
They are popular for the same reason they use their own children as mules for bombs. When you have a suicidal culture, & are rewarded for terrorism as they have been, this is exactly what happens. YOU opinions are obviously formed by ignorance, especially if you seriously think that your mischaracterization of mine is correct.
The building WAS a military target because it was being used as a base to fire at Israel - the UN itself said so, & not in any "non-binding resolution". What makes you think you know any better than they do? As far as "Human Rights Watch", nothing Israel says could ever satisfy them - their bias is long-standing.
The building that Israel bombed in Lebanon (where civilians were killed) was NOT a military target. The UN didn't say it was military. Only civilians were there. You make up whatever "facts" you want. You'll justify anything.
"Israeli forces have systematically failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians in their military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said in report released today. The pattern of attacks in more than 20 cases investigated by Human Rights Watch researchers in Lebanon indicates that the failures cannot be dismissed as mere accidents...In some cases, these attacks constitute war crimes."
Only in the mind of zionists and their supporters is Hezbullah terroist. The very state of Israel was formed upon the foundations of terriorism and sucide bombing "King David Hotel bombing July 1946". The very same people who became the Prime Ministers of Israel were terrorist themselves "Menachem Begin".
The reason Hezbullah is terrorist for you is because it resists the apartheid state of Israel. Lastly, the million plus people who turn out on hezbullah rallies are not all their children.
hezbollah is listed as a terror organization by the US, UK, canada, australia, and the european parliament.
the world has seen the best proof for hezbollah's terrorism two weeks ago, when lebanon was celebrating the release of kuntar, who smashed the skull of a 4 year old girl in 1979, when he was only 16 years old himself. child murderers can be heros in lebanon, as long as the children they murdererd were jewish.
watch hezbollah terrorists chant "death to america":
"Hezbollah...endangered citizens" - You do realise that Hezbollah is not an army but largely a civilian resistance. You do also realise that the many civilian areas that Israel targeted were actually controlled by Lebanese Christians.
You say "Jewish" instead of "Israeli" - IDIOT! Do you read why you write before you press 'post'. Israel regards itself as the "Jewish state". I didnt give them this title they gave it to themselves!
You write: "Hezbollah is not an army but largely a civilian resistance." Not quite. I suggest you look at Hezbollah's own videos on YouTube. They march around like Nazi stormtroopers with stiff armed salutes. Their videos glorify weapons, violence and hatred.
Just a "civilian resistance"? No, Hezbollah is armed by Iran with heavy weapons. Hezbollalh's leaders take guidance from Iran. Do you like the fanatical Iranian dictatorship? If so, then you must love Hezbollah.
Did you read what I just wrote. I wrote they are "largely" a civilian resistance because most of their members are not part of the armed wing!
"Do you like the fanatical Iranian dictatorship" - You stupid American piece of shit, what a short-term memory you have! Remember it was your taxes that propped up the regime of the Shah in Iran. I certainly dont support the Iranian regime today but you certainly support the denial of freedom and self-determination of the Palestinians by Israel.
You distort what I said. I never said the things you attribute to me. I am NOT the U.S. government, you moron! I'm just an American citizen.
Stop acting like a smart-ass. You are a condescending asshole. Of course I know who the Shah was -- but he's IRRELEVANT to this subject. Got that, brainiac?
You make yourself look like a fool when you twist my words. You use personal attacks, and you make up things that I never said. Don't pretend to be superior. What a colossal jerk~!
Sure you are not the US government you just vote for them and give them money from your salary! Idiot I thought you lived in a democracy?
When you are American and talking about democracy in Iran your policy towards the Shah is very relevant! As is your policy towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia, ie. no one believes your hypocrisy.
HA you think I look like a fool! I must be doing something right if you dont like me.
Get lost, you freak! You don't know how I voted, what I believe in or who I am. You just make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about me.
There's no point in debating with a total asshole like you who doesn't even bother to find out what I ACTUALLY said. You can cram the fuckin' Shah up your butt, you dumbass!
From what I understand the Hezbollah guy raided an apartment and beat a 4yr old child to death...because she was jewish . The Isreal soldiers were simply on duty on got kidnapped.
From what I understand is that you have a very limited knowledge about history. Qantar got caught in 79 and hezbullah was formed in early 80's. Qantar is a Druze and Hezbullah are shia.
I love it when you all expose yourselves by saying "Jews" when you should be saying Israelis. Of course, I knew you were ignorant before you even got to the bigoted part.
Of course we enjoy cracking 4 year old skulls on rocks for no apperant reason, wow you people shame the human race, (I DO BELIEVE MOST LEBANESE DO NOT KNOW OF KUNTAR'S CRIMES)
Israelis sure SEEM to like beating up kids. There's a long section in a Chomsky book I remember reading (and these aren't leftist fantasies, he's citing Israeli sources throughout, you know, Ha'aretz and so on, I forget the details but I can find it if you'd like), he just through story after story of uniformed IDF soldiers beating the shit out of Palestinians, in most of them children and disabled elderly people. They do it partly to get around getting caught for a "kill", but some of them...
...seem to speak with some glee. At least a couple of these stories were at least as violent and horrible as what Kuntar is ALLEGED to have done, with as much justification. There are regular stories about (illegal) Israeli settlers going around and beating up Palestinians, there's a video of one attack you can see on this site. These are just the quickest and readiest examples.
There's a very apparent reason though: the basic conception of Israel BY ISRAELIS is as a racist state.
Why would anyone quote Chomsky, even Chomsky woulnd quote Chomsky. He has been disproved all over teh place, he fabricates everything, and he is accepted because he is some liberal hero.
BamenYaros:I think you'll find that israel has killed many more children than anyone else, and the killers of Palestinian woman and children are walking the streets of the homosexual city of tel aviv free! not knowing hat the greatest punishment will come from GOD! ALLAH SWT! Beni israel is weel known for going into misleading routes in their history! That is why 3000 years of DARK HISTORY has been known for your race! You are a disgrace to human kind more than anyone else!
if sameer quntar killed a 4 yrs old baby is true then he is a criminal,but according to this standard most of the israeli army & leadership is criminal too
Yeah, that Israel - they should just let terrorists shoot rockets at them behind the cover of women & children (as proven by the exact types of casualties found near the terrorist munitions). The propaganda tactic sure works with the brainless masses.
ISRAEL was formed as an an act of terror against the indigenous population in palestine muslim christian & jew.
now u r talking about terrorism
spraying southern lebanon with cluster bombs,destroying the civilian infrastructure, 1200 casulties 90% civilian/is that ur definition of israeli bravery
the propaganda tactic sure works with the brainless masses like urself FLAVIA R
Israel was formed with United Nations' approval. The UN also approved the formation of a Palestinian state in 1948. The terror started when Arabs used violence, including an invasion by Arab armies which tried to exterminate the Jewish state in 1948.
Samir Kuntar is a child-killer. He is a hero to some people, which shows that they approve of terrorism and indiscriminate murder, even of children. Some haters and terrorists want to commit genocide -- just as they tried in 1948.
the UN has no right to grant anybody anything, palestine is not UN territory nor a BRITISH territory to be given away by them.
Now if u think the UN is the ultimate authority on subjects of law and land ownerships, how come israel has violated almost every UN resolution on the matter of palestine
I beleive humanity superceeds national and religious affilaitions,how can anybody with any moral fabric condon what israel is doing to the palestenians
You say the UN had "no right to grant anybody anything." Then, who did? The international community (the UN) had to step in since there was no other legitimate authority.
Jews were a majority in the area that the UN designated for a Jewish state. Arabs could have continued living in that area. And Palestinian state could have been created, too. But the Arabs never allowed that to happen.
I agree that Israel should withdraw from occupied Palestinian land, the west bank.
frank the only solution is for israel to withdraw from occupied arab land to june 4 1967 as in the arab resolution of beirut 2002
israel has tried the sword for 60 years it did not work out ,it will never work out,
so lets try peace so every nation in the area should live in peace and security including israel and palestine,otherwise make the whole territory of historical palestine one nation for all, equal rights ,equal responsibility
I agree, Israel must withdraw in order to achieve peace. The Palestinians deserve their own state. At times, Israel has aggressed against Lebanon and against the Palestinians.
But let's not forget that Arab war-mongering led to the 1967 war. Let's not pretend that the Arabs have been angels. Suicide bombers and terrorists like Samir Kuntar show that evil exists on the Arab side. I am digusted that this child-killing thug, Samir Kuntar, is being celebrated as a hero.
it is true of what you have said about arab aggresion,but that was the reaction ,for arabs the decision to divide palestine was the first act of aggresion,which started the ball rollin in the conflict,and i think that was a reasonable reaction for somebody who is about to lose half his country,but that was then,and this is now.
Sorry, I disagree. The partition of Palestine into a Jewish state and a Palestinian state made sense in 1948. Jews were a majority in their area. Arabs could have continued to live in the Jewish state after 1948, if the Arabs hadn't resorted to war.
Even if you consider the partition to have been wrong, violence wasn't the answer. The Arabs brought disaster upon themselves by starting a war in 1948. The Jews fought for survival, expelling many Arabs as a security threat.
1. Israel's occuption of the West Bank amounts to aggression.
2. Israel's occupation of Gaza for 40 years was aggression.
3. Israel's bombardment of all of Lebanon, killing over one thousand innocent civilians two years ago, was aggression. In fact, it was a war crime.
Lebanese women and children were slaughtered in Qana, Lebanon in 2006 and in 1996. Israel's leaders should be put on trial at the Hague for these massacres.
OK, you have your list of Arab misdeeds. Fine. I'm sure you can find many more. But you shouldn't throw around the term "genocide." That word has a specific meaning, which doesn't apply to the Arab-Israeli dispute.
Sure, you can cite many wrongs commmitted by Arab regimes over the years. So? Are you trying to justify Israel's occupation of the West Bank & Lebanon? If so, your list of wrongs doesn't excuse Israel's actions.
just do a search for Pallywood and Gaza and you will see that this has been proven that this family was killed by a Hamas mine that they plant on the beaches to keep Israeli commandos out. The media just assumed it was Israels fault and then some liberal idiots claimed it was a shell (no evidence of shell fragments) This has been proven over and over, just like the Al Dura killing (which was also a fabrication by Pallywood)
Not true. Human Rights Watch conducted a thorough investigation of this incident. Their researchers visited the site of this incident. They found jagged shrapnel, stamped "155mm," which is consistent with Israel's M-109 Artillery.
HRW researchers interviewed eyewitnesses who heard incoming projectiles. They reported 5 to 6 explosions. The crater was consistent with Israeli artillery, not a land mine. It occurred in an area of Israeli artillery a week earlier. And so on.
Not true, what you are offering is the original biased human rights watch investigation, which was later disproven. READ NO Crater and NO SHell FRAGMENTS please re-read the case elswhere before challenging the truth.
"The fatal explosion took place at a time when the IDF said it was firing artillery rounds."
HRW "researchers also examined blood-crusted shrapnel given to them by the father of a 19-year-old male who suffered abdominal wounds in the beach explosion. They determined that the shrapnel is a piece of fuse from an artillery shell."
I doubt that the Palestinians would have minded their own beaches with unidentified mines. If they did, why no other explosions?
Investigations by many watch organization over the past year have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was most likely the cause of the beach blast:
1) Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians sent to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli ordnance.
2) No crater was evident on the beach as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above.
3) All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians.
1. You claim the Palestinians mined their own public beach. Come on. That claim is outlandish and without evidence.
2. You say it's just a coincidence that Israeli forces fired artillery shells into that area only "10 mintues before the blasts." Come on!
Actually, the time was less than 10 minutes. Israeli artillery fired at 4:52 p.m. Patients were RECEIVED at the hospital at 5:05. So, the blasts and the shelling were almost simultaneous.
Sure, al-Husayni was an SOB and a Nazi sympathizer. But I don't think "thousands" were killed.
In 2006 alone, Israel killed more innocent civilians in Lebanon (including women and children) than the total number of Israeli civilians killed in terrorist attacks.
After Hezbollah's raid in 2006, Israel's military leaders wanted to destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, but the U.S. warned Israel not to do so. Israel's attack would have been much worse without U.S. restraint. What madness.
Frank: just because you insist things are true doesn't make them so. Te more you make increasingly dumb comments like these, you show yourself not just naive, but ignorant.
Israel should not withdraw from anywhere because it is her land. The gift of Gaza to the so-called Palestinians is proof positive that they do not want a state, but a base of operations against Jews.
Why is it Israel's land? Show us the deed or international law that entitles Israel to that land. Merely CLAIMING that it's Israel's land doesn't make it so!
Yes, Gaza is very anti-Israel. Four decades of Israeli occupation created a lot of anger toward Israel. Don't pretend that you don't know where the animosity came from!
Your arrogant attitude (taking their land) generates rage from Arabs. If you step on someone, you should expect an angry reaction. Don't play innocent.
No one took arab land, Gaza is a festering sh*t hole because the surrounding arab nations willed it that way. If people are suffering so much in Gaza and the West Bank, why does Egypt seal off the border, why does Jordan. They want security, not from the Israelis but from the festering stew of violence that they themselves created after the 67 war where they promised everyone they would be victorious.
Israel used force and violence to keep Israeli settlers in Gaza. How do you think Israelis would react if Arabs built settlements in Israel, backed up by a foreign army?
If Israel had cultivated good will with the Palestinians by withdrawing from Gaza and the West Bank long ago, Israel wouldn't face the claudron of hatred that it does now. The same goes for Lebanon. Israel makes enemies.
Israel would face the same amount of hatred even if they owned a postage size stamp of land in that area, dont you understand, the arabs dont want an autonomous Jewish state in what they deem is there area. Israel does so much in terms of civil service for the palestinians and you never see the media report it. Instead they like to show violence because it provide entertainment value,a great deal of which is fabricated, like the Al Durra case.
You're merely engaging in blather to blame the Arabs for everything, turn a blind eye to Israel's misdeeds and justify anything that Israel does, as if it is a blameless angel.
With your viewpoint, there is no opportunity for peace -- so why bother even trying, right? You seem to think that Israel can do no wrong. It can do whatever it wants, including subjugate another people -- because a peace settlement is impossible, anyway. You hardened attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
There is not opportunity for peace because Arabs have re built Palestinian society into a hate machine, through education and propoganda, no arab will rest untill Israel is wiped off the map. This is on the lips of every Palestinian.
Yes, there is hate from the Palestinians. And Israel's oppressive policies merely feed into that negativity. Israel's arrogant and violent stance empowers extremists on the other side.
In 1948, when Jews in Palestine were under British occupation in 1948, some Jews also engaged in terrorism.
What do you expect from oppressed people? If Israel changed its policies, it would get a different reaction. Israel is the occupier and the aggressor, so Israel bears most of the blame.
Pleas list for me Israels "oppressive" policies. Is it when they provide their enemy the best medical care possible, including reconstructive surgeries, is it the food supplies that theier Arab brothers do not provide. What policies do you refer to.
There a lot of videos on YouTube documenting the aggression and brutality of Israeli settlers and soldiers against Palestinians. I suggest that you spend an hour looking at those videos. Then, tell me how wonderful the Israelis are treating the Palestinians.
The truth is: You don't want to make peace with the Arabs. You'd rather point a gun at them. And then you wonder why they are upset.
You say: The Arabs are hateful and unreasonable. Maybe they are. But how did they get that way, and how do you change the situation? With continued occupation? No.
Israel is the occupier and the aggressor, so it bears most of responsiblity for making peace. How? By getting off the Palestinians' backs!
Your heart bleeds too much and I think you are no longer making any sense. Israelis have outstretched their arm in peace to arabs only to have it bitten. Their response is sometimes violent but its ALLWAYS in defense. The moment the arabs stop the rhetoric and the violence is the moment everyones life can continue.
You say Israelis "have outstretched their arm in peace to Arabs." Hilarious~!
If the Israelis want peace, why don't they get the fuck off of Palestinian land?!
Between the years 2000 and 2004, "more than 1600 Palestinian civilians not involved in hostilities, including at least 500 children, were killed by Israeli security forces." (HRW)
Why is Israel building a wall taking Palestinians land?
Israel killed about a thousand innocent Lebanese civilains in 2006. Israel is brutal.
Israel built a wall to keep suicide bombers out...guess what, it works. They want to work in Israel while supporting killing of innocents, then tehy should have to pay the price.
GREAT Israel is more than happy to oblige, maybe they can use some of that rubble to build more walls. OH and FUCK HRW they are liars and brainwashed liberal idiots.
It is Israel's land because she was given it by the owners, and she won it after being attacked. These are simple facts! Pretending that it's any different shows that you actually have a bias, instead of just being stupid. And just because people who refuse to stop killing Jews (not just Israelis) get occupied for it doesn't mean that their anger against their punishers is justified.
Israel didn't "win" the West Bank and Gaza "after being attacked." Israel wasn't attacked in 1967 (although it was threatened). You say I make "dumb comments," but you don't know basic facts, as shown by your misstatement that Israel won the land "after being attacked."
No one has a right to grab other people's land. The West Bank Arabs didn't attack Israel. You are confused.
Your attitude doesn't permit a peace settlement. You must want unending war. No wonder Israel has enemies.
Coffman, Israel was attacked - read the rules of war sometime. Oh, & look into what happens every time Israel tries to give land containing so-called Palestinians on it to Jordan, or any other Arab country. Thanks for proving that you really know less than nothing.
I am sure that I am laughable to someone as belligerently ignorant as you,. I see that you refuse to do as I said & look up the rules of war. When a nation is BLOCKADED, it is an ACT OF WAR. It IS an ATTACK. Israel has ALSO tried to give the "occupied territories" to Jordan, Your refusal to even accept facts, much less look them up, when combined with your childish need to ridicule what you cannot disprove only proves everything I have said about you & others of your ilk.
You're using a technical definition of war. Yes, Israel was partly blockaded. Sure, that's an act of war. But in common parlance, Israel wasn't physically ATTACKED. Knock off the bullshit.
You're playing with words so you can justify the Israelis continuing 40-year occupation of the Palestinians.
I didn't "refuse to accept facts." I just don't accept your exaggerations and your absurd claim that the occupied territories belong to Israel. Not even Israel makes that formal claim.
Your attempt to pretend that it is not you who is *wallowing* in bovine excrement would be funny if you weren't serious. I am right & you are just upset because of it.
What is your point? You seem to think that the "rules of war" justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. What BS. Rules of war don't justify that.
The Palestinians didn't attack Israel in 1967, so WTF are you talking about?
Egypt's blockade doesn't justify Israel's 40-year supprssion of the Palestinians.
I merely said that Israel wasn't ATTACKED in 1967. Everyone knows that the word "attack" isn't equivalent to "blockade" -- and it doesn't justify Israel's occupation.
What justifies Israel's occupation is the so-called Palestinians' refusal to stop killing as many Jews (not just Israelis) as they can. If the PLO et al would stop, so would Israel, & you know it.
& you can keep insisting that an act of war isn't an attack, but you're only fooling all the willing dupes.
"Bovine excrement"? You've sunk to a new low of crudeness.
You're uninformed. The Palestinian Authority has been negotiating (not fighting) with Israel. Israel recognizes that the PA is trying to work out a peace deal, not "killing Jews."
If Israel wasn't subjugating the Palestinians, there wouldn't be a conflict. Whether a "blockade" (40 YEARS AGO~!) is synonymous with "attack" is irrelevant. That doesn't justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. Your point is senseless.
*I've* sunk? Well, if so, I have yet to meet your level in that area, as well as in being "uninformed." If you really think that the PA is "negotiating" with Israel, then I suppose that explains how you can insist that Israel is the one that started it with the so-called Palestinians & not the other way around. But it's nice to see you finally give up on the point where you are also wrong - that a blockade is an act of war, an attack. My point isn't senseless- trying to educate you *is*.
You are RUDE. Your talk about "excrement" is stupid and makes you look bad.
I never said a blockade isn't an act of war. So, stop acting so superior. I said that a blockade (40 years ago -- NOT by the Palestinians) doesnt' justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. Your point is IRRELEVANT.
You don't think the PA is really negotiating? Even Israel thinks the Palestinians are negotiating. But you think you know better. Ha. Not even Israel agrees with you. You are clueless.
You know nothing about international law. You've got it backwards. The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits settlements in occupied territory:
"The occupying power shall not transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."
The Mitchell Report stated that "international law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention, prohibits Israel from establishing settlements in occupied territory."
So, you're flat wrong. Israeli settlements are illegal under int'l law.
Apparently, you haven't read a newspaper in 20 years. The PLO isn't attacking Israel. In fact, Israel has been negotiating with the PLO (the Palestinian Authority). Have you seen recent pics of Israel's prime minister shaking hands with the head of the Palestinian Authority?
The Israeli government doesn't make the strange claims that you make about the PLO. Appparently, you don't know what going on. Your uninformed vulgar comments make sound not only ignorant but incredibly stupid.
You're right, a blockade is an act of war. But there wasn't any blockade. In 1967, Egypt's leader Nasser threatened to blockade Israel's southern Port of Eilat. But he never followed through. "In reality, such a blockade was never imposed." ("A History of Israel" by Ahron Bregman, p. 118)
Israel was never blockaded. So, your point is totally false. There was no act of war against Israel before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967. You need to find another excuse for Israel's occupation.
why do you come from all the world (usa, australia, russia, irland, france, bellarussia, ukrania, germany etc...) to expulse palestinians (muslims and christians) from their homes? i take a look to israeli presidents nationnalities and i found that 98% of them are not from the are!! they are europeans and russians and one of them from irland!!
lumierdujour, you need to stop reading propaganda. The Arab higher Committee told Arabs to leave the area so they could kill all the Jews - and it simply didn't work that way.
(PS - the only "Palestinians" prior to '67 were Jews)
I also do not care even if the rest of your insane, racist post was true - Israel gets to decide who is an Israeli citizen, not you.
You can't come up with an intelligent, factual reply, so you resort to name-calling and insults. How low. Your trash talk reflects badly on you, not on anyone else. Learn some manners and learn how to make a coherent point. Your current approach doesn't convince anyone of anything, except that you are rude and hateful. Forget the whole issue since you're not capable of debate -- just of pointless insults and hate. What a waste.
The sad fact is that I have come up with facts that you have simply denied, & then lied about what I said. What you call insults are also facts, & it burns you up. How typical. As usual, you bigots always project your own flaws onto those who expose them - it's clear that the true rude & hateful waste is yourselves.
I see you're posting more insults and name-calling. You have nothing else to say. You've reduced this exchange to the level of mere name-calling. I can't reply to you because you're not saying anything of substance. I posted factual, logical points, You replied with personal attacks. Instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked me personally. Apparently, you just want to trade insults. Sorry, I'm not interested in trading insults with you. Find someone else to insult and call names.
when you insult then i know that you have no argument! but everybody know that zionists stoll arab lands and UNO reconnize that there is 4 million palestinian refugies and the fact is that 98% of israelipresidents have american and european and russian nationnalities and camefrom there!! and over 350 human right organization arround the world say that israel committed crimes against civilians and used a white phosphorus weapons and still expulse palestinians from their homes until now!!
I do not insult - i point out facts that merely make you upset. "Everybody knows" LOTS of things that simpiy aren't true. Israel stole nothing & it's the surrounding Arabs who are totally responsible for the so-called "refugees" (Notice that only so-called Palestinians get a new definition for the term?). & thanks for mentioning the already debunked lies about "white phosphorous": proof positive as to who has to lie to make a point.
You wrote: "I do not insult." In fact, you insult constantly, You called me "a liar," a "bigot" and other insults. I said nothing racist or prejudiced, so you have no basis for calling me "a bigot." You are a rude name-caller.
You refer to "lies about white phosphorous." In fact, there is video on YouTube of Israel dropping white phosphorous in Gaza. Israel even dropped buring phosphorous on the UN headquarters in Gaza. Israel killed 400 children Gaza. (continued)
It's not an insult when it's palpably true. And you prove it by the debunked crap about the white phosphorous. The Red Cross was finally forced to admit that Israel's use was not in violation of any law.
So, do you think the pictures and video of people in Gaza who were burned with white phosphrous were faked? Are you claiming that the pictures of white phosphorous being fired into Gaza neighborhoods are fake? Did the United Nations personnel lie about their headquarters being hit with white phosphorous? Of course not.
You don't care what the truth is. You'll say anything to defend Israel. You deny facts. You make up whatever you want to believe
You refer to "debunked lies about white phosphorous." Not true. Human Right Watch found that:
"Israel's military fired white phosphorus over crowded areas of Gaza repeatedly and indiscriminately in its three-week war, killing and injuring civilians and committing war crimes. Israel ignored warnings from UN staff before hitting the main UN compound in Gaza with white phosphorus shells on January 15. Israel used white phosphorus in a way that killed civilians." -- The Guardian, 3-25-09.
Flavia, you misstate facts -- and then you have the gall to accuse other people of "lies." To refute your false claim of "debunked lies about white phosphorous," here is what Amnesty International found: "The Israeli army used white phosphorus in densely populated civilian residential areas of Gaza City...We saw streets and alleyways littered with white phosphorus still burning and the remnants of the shells and canisters fired by the Israeli army...White phosphorus landed in the hospital..."
1 - the terrorist sionist groups of immigrants like hagana and ergoun (england and france reconnize that these groups was terrorists) killed and expulsed palestinians from their homes before 1948 ex : tantura, dir yassin !
2 - even if we trust that some palestinians leaved their homes n 1948 because of the war, they still have the right to ge back to their homes after the war and the sionist immigrants haven't the right to stoll these homes
If the so-called Palestinians would be "terrorists" like the Hagana, I wouldn't r complain. But thanks for admitting that you still cling to debunked lies like "Deir Yassin", or that anyone who could prove their house was taken hasn't been compensated long ago.. What a joke!
you can't response to my arguments? there was no sionist terrorist groups like hagana and ergoun (before1948) there was no crimes in tantura or dir yassine before 1948? there is no destruction of palestinian homes now in alquds?
do not agree with Israeli policy toward the Palestinians, but Arab regimes use anti-Israel sentiment to postpone moving toward democracy.
Alaa Al Aswany
Still, with refreshing diversity, The Economist cites Mona Eltahawy, a New York-based Egyptian pundit, who explains that Israel is "the opium of the Arabs."
"Resistance" to Israel's existence, she implies, provides Arabs and the mullahs of Iran with a convenient excuse for putting off political and economic development.
You are correct. Human rights groups have accused Israel of committing "war crimes" in Lebanon and In Gaza. No country recognizes Israel's forcible seizure of East Jerusalem. Israel is destroying Arab homes in East Jerusalem and taking Arab land elsewhere. Israel is aggressive and expansionist. Israel = occupation, colonization, confiscation, expulsion and destruction.
Yes, Flavia resorts to insults and phony "facts" because he cannot make a valid argument.
Wow, I click on this video and look who I find. You know what makes me cringe every time I see your name? Its the fact that you constantly pass judgement on others but constantly claim the higher moral ground, and you negate what you say by calling other ppl "assholes", etc. Hmmm, is that neighborly? You are the most pretentious and condescending person I have ever seen online, and those videos of yours... while they are entertaining, are not the jewels you make them out to be.
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Hezbollah quits the government because the tribunal will provide evidence of
Hezbollah's hand in the Hariri killing. They present themselves as protectors of Lebanon and are affraid there reputation will be tarnished if they are held responsible for the killing of Hariri, a leader loved by Sunnis, Shia and christians.
They prefer civil war if that can stop the tribunal from presenting there evidence to the Lebanese. They do not protect Lebanon but will destroy us just to hold on to power.
YaLibnan24 1 year ago
long live hezbollah
long live the freedom fighters allaround the world.
samerham 1 year ago
israel is a illegal sionist terrorcountry
agridagi82 1 year ago
Israel sucks !
afferch 2 years ago
if israel even touched the dome of the rock all arabs will come and "no more israel"
sonofsecrets 2 years ago
I hate the fact that the lebenese prisoners are said to be terrorists and the isralie soldiers are said to be heros- by everyone, The truth is that both should be niether treated as heros or prisoners, both sides have done horrible things and for that to be focused on one side is barbaric. You say that qantar killed a little girl ( 1 little girl) israel soldiers have probably lost count - this is two sided dont make one the vilan.
ronaldo320 3 years ago
ronaldo320 : Samir Quntar did not kill the lil girl , it was the israeli soldier who were firing at Quntar , the soldiers were firing at samir and by accidentally they shot the girl ,the israelis are not ready to tell the world that those israeli soldiers did that bcoz they are " Hero's " as for Quntar he is considerd as a " terrorist " by the israelis , don't expect the israelis to tell u that they shot the girl this would be a shock for their ppl and the world :)
lb4lyf 3 years ago
In case you havent relized israel never takes responsiblity for their actions it alway an excident or mistake and sometime they just flat out deny it no matter the evidence because they know they are able to get away with it. For example Gana both 1996 and 2006 the bombing of the U N base
JUSTurAVERAGEgirl 3 years ago
ib4lyf,
The girl wasn't shot. You don't have the facts. What's your source of information?
What was Samir Kuntar doing in Israel in the first place? Taking a vacation? Get serious. Why was the girl with him on the beach? Because he took her from her home. He kidnapped her. When he was knew he was going to be captured, he killed her.
I don't support Israel, but this guy is no hero. He's a baby killer. Don't make him into a hero.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
FrankCoffman : samir was on a mission in israel to kidnap Israeli soldiers to exchange them with Palistinians prisoners coz it was the only way to get back the prisoners , all his friends were killed samir was the only surviver but he was shot in his arm then he hided somewhere and found the girl and the father he took them with him to get out the girl was shot by the israelis then samir was captured anyways , Israel killed 1000's of Arab children no one talks about them check out Qana massacre
lb4lyf 3 years ago
lb4yl,
Thanks for your reply. I know about the Israeli bombing massacres at Qana in 1996 and again in 2006. Horrible. I don't support Israel's policies.
As for Samir Kuntar, thanks for your explanation, but I'm not sure it's entirely correct. According to Wikipedia, he had been training from age 14 (before Isreael invaded Lebanon) to raid into Israel. I think he killed the little girl. That wasn't his original plan, but he did kill her.
Where are you getting your information about him?
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
lb4lyf,
According to Wikipedia, "eyewitnesses said he [Samir Kuntar] smashed the head of 4 year-old Einat on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle."
That's the same story I've read elsewhere. Samir Kuntar kidnapped the girl and the girl's father from their apartment. When Kuntar knew that he was going to be captured, he shot the father in the back. Then, he crushed the girl's skull.
He killed two defenseless people. Does that sound like a hero to you?
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
FrankCoffman : u dont have to believe everything from the internet , i dont believe everything i read specially wikipedia , man samir told everyone that he didnt shoot that girl and why do u think i should trust ma enemy and the israeli source and not trust a Resistance fighter from ma own country ? , God Knows what happened all i can say is i trust more my country man than my enemy
lb4lyf 3 years ago
"According to Wikipedia,eyewitnesses said he Samir Kuntar smashed the head of 4 yearold"
FrankCoff.DoNotBelieve erything u see online.ESpecaily Wiki,any1 canWrite there,even an israeli loyalist.Think about it.Remember what Israel has done,wat would happen if Israel told da world it killed a lil girl?Also,Samir was very careful with what he did,for U know he could hav commitedSuicide,but he didn't,because he would have been detested upon all the lebanese,so why would he kill a lil girl?
anice1834lyf 3 years ago
الرجاء انقاذ أخيه المسلم علينا. ونحن على الاطلاق فى العراق. وقد
وقتل اكثر من جيدة المقاتلين. مؤمن حقيقي من الله
AliAbdulMahdi 3 years ago
FrankCoffman YOU are nothing but a liberal who only knows the view as presented by arabs and the liberals who kiss their ass, like those Morons ISM and the LIARS HRW. You don't want to see the truth as it is.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
You don't care about the truth. You just want to excuse Israel's violence. You demanded proof that Israel shelled the beach (which I gave), but you have no proof for the wild notion that the Palestinian mined their own beach.
No, Human Rights Watch are't "liars." HRW is a respected, impartial organization that has also criticized Hamas and Hezbollah.
Dictators and terrorists hate HRW. You have joined the ranks of those who can't stand HRW because it presents the facts about abuses.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Israel didnt lie, its just people like you love to suck on Arab cock so much you will believe anything...it's like a fashion statement to you. And yes HRW is a bunch of biased liars, no one else would take that line of work. What are you going to claim that ISM are a bunch of heroes instead of morons who buy into arab propaganda.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT,
OK, now you're talking like a foul-mouthed jerk with vulgar insults and nasty personal attacks. That's your low level discourse. How moronic.
No one has ever called HRW "liars." Nor have you documented any lies. By the way, Hezbollah also hates HRW. Two years ago, Hezbollah tried to disrupt an HRW press conference in Beirut.
So, you are in the company of terrorists and dictators -- all of whom hate HRW because it tells the truth. A vulgar apologist like you can't stand the truth.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Israel has said over and over that if the rockets stop, then the war will end and negotiations can continue. Not all arabs are evil, however there are groups that seek war and the destruction of Israel. Hamas is not a hero and neither is any other terrorist organization.
TheBranenFamily 3 years ago 2
وَأَعِدُّواْ لَهُم مَّا اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن قُوَّةٍ وَمِن رِّبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدْوَّ اللّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِن دُونِهِمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ وَمَا تُنفِقُواْ مِن شَيْءٍ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ يُوَفَّ إِلَيْكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تُظْلَمُونَ. سورة الأنفال
lazyakrab 3 years ago
anyway palestine r sick peoples.
Westside410 3 years ago
This was a smart move on Israel's part, this is PR move to make Hizbollah be exposed for what they are... I think the exchange was very noble. I doubt other countries would do that.
RBHT42 3 years ago
yea but they still commit genocide so groups like Hezbollah and Hamas will always be around.
GhostVirusx90 3 years ago
?????!?! Genocide, who, Hezbollah? Israel? not sure what you mean, eithr way neither side is responsible for "Genocid" which BTW is a highly charged political term used by lots of people for propoganda, so if you are claiming Hezbollah is responsible for Genocide, ... nope, If you are claiing Israel is, also no highly likely, bottom line neither side is interested in "ethnic cleansing" :) if you will... Hezbolla loves to play that PR game and it's kind of cool to see Israel try and do the same.
RBHT42 3 years ago
Palastinians are not a whole group...they were people who were part of the Ottoman Empire, then the Palestinian Territories. Killing people is bad, yes...but to call it Genocide is stupid and ridiculous takes real meaning away from the word. Killing off a religion is a form of Genocide. Killing off the equivalent of an Muslim Arab group is not...Pals are Muslims and probably all came from the same place, Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
Lay off the stupidity...the world is sympathetic but not dumb
rezasantorini 3 years ago
Also , you have no idea what real genocide is, Darfur where Arabs are killing Africans daily, that is GENOCIDE pal. 300,000 African villagers and counting.
RBHT42 3 years ago
Smer Kunter might have killed one poor litle innocent girl but but on the other hand IDF killed and still killding more innocent children then any other army in the world. So it would be better to alway take a look our inside the blamming others !!
lovetoallfromafg 3 years ago
Oh, yes, this is the only thing that Kunter has done and has been done in his name.
rezasantorini 3 years ago
think of it this way: if Iran wipes Israel off the map, USA won't pay the multi billion fund project for Israel.
And if USA loves Israel so much, why not give them one state in USA ROFL
Ruby997 3 years ago
Ruby997, that was a very stupid comment. you have no idea how much Israel gets.
we spend $40 billion a year defending japan, $8 billion a year goes to Egypt, $6 billion to Jordan, $20+ billion combined in Africa, oh, and the estimated trillions that will be invested in Iraq... yet you complain about $2.5 billion a year to Israel. you really are a math wiz, kudos, really, you definately solved our financial issues by cutting off a nation that recives a fraction of our foreign aid.
BenJB07 3 years ago
Thanks, BenJB07, for posting the numbers. The real story about Israel & Iran is that the US will allow them to take care of the world's problem, as happened when Israel took out Osirak. The world breathed a sigh of relief, & then it was back to business as usual.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Yeah there is a real problem when there are only 2 people to vote for and both are morons. A person should have to pass some sort of intelligence and morality test before they can run for president of the most powerful military on Earth.
It's scary.
Palistine doesn't need to worry about Americans. The Americans have far too many wars going on at once. They still have over half their navy protecting Japan from China and North Korea.
No country should be so powerful.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
Russia save us? lol go back to school. though maybe not some arab school where they fill your head with hate.
The United States did not enter the war until 1942, and their entrance was the doom for Nazi Germany.
Even while beating up Japan the United States launched invasions into Germany and helped reach Berlin at the same time as the Russians.
And why the hell would I want to go to Lebanon? To get shot? To collect dust or rocks?
Lebanon is a shithole.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
i dunno why these fucken UN troops are only sent against the muslim world..
like israeli soldiers can never face international tribunals for murders they commit..
charmingbanana 3 years ago
We British knew how to handle these ragheads. When they had a rebellion in India over pig fat grease on their rifle cartridges and it was against their religion to eat said fat, the East India Company was crushed and Brits were killed.
The military came over and strapped rebels onto the ends of cannons and obliterated their bodies. They sewed them up in pig carcasses and shot them. They ruled them with fear.
It seems to be all these savages understand and respond to.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
bring ur british scumbags to lebanon if you dare..
brit& american suckers were smashed by nazis if not russia that saved their fu.cken honor
charmingbanana 3 years ago
what kind of parallel world do you live in?
russia saving the US and Britan?
Russia only joined the allay forces becuase Germany betrayed her by braking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Kambody 3 years ago
A day in my life.
I go to the store without worry of getting murdered.
I greet my neighbours an chat in the middle of the street. We don't worry about bulldozers running us over. That never ever happens here.
Never.
You people are creating your own hell on earth.
I always viewed the history of Christianity as a violent and savage one (another evil religion.) But Christians do have one thing going for them that jews and arabs NEED to adopt.
Forgiveness.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
fuck israel
zionism is terrorism.
Israel will fall! gods speed!
FcukIsrael 3 years ago
withdraw from occupied arab land¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
move israel to florida¡¡¡¡¡¡
palestine for palestinians¡¡¡¡¡¡
islam for all world¡¡¡¡¡
alahakbar¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
ijosdeputisima 3 years ago
frank part3
justice for the palestenians
peace for the israelis
but untill then we will hate you and ofcourse you will hate us
viva palestine
SAWAAH 3 years ago
frank par2
as an american of lebanese decent my only problem with israel not its existance but its actions and policies,stop the aggresion,free the palestenians,withdraw from occupied arab lands,and we might be best friends down the road.
i see two solutions to the problem,either the extermination of oneside(arab or jew)which is unacceptable,or the co existance in peace,so there is only one solution peace ,but to have peace we need to have justice.
SAWAAH 3 years ago
Sawaah,
I agree: at this point, Israel needs to take most of the steps necessary for peace. I support Israel's right to exist inside its pre-1967 borders. I think Israel was created in 1948 with noble and humanitarian ideals. But unfortunately, over the years, Israel has grown stubborn and arrogant.
Actually, there isn't just one "Israel." There are different elements and opinions in Israel. Unfortunately, the Israeli peace movement was dealt a big set-back by Palestinian suicide bombers.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
salam shalom cousin
SAWAAH 3 years ago
ahmshabibi,
Your comments are an example of the racial hatred, ethnic stereotyping and homophobia that cause violence and wars. You are a hater and a fanatic. Hitler would be proud of you.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
like Fuck, do you REALLY think GOD/ALLAH the ultimate being of GOOD and PEACE would want you crushing people with bulldozers?!?
Wake up!
Jews/Israeli's/Zeus worshippers, we all know that media lies to us. We all know it. Don't be stupid. Assume for just 1 moment that this Lebonese lunatic didn't kill the child. I wasn't there. I haven't seen a film. Maybe some Israeli soldier shot her by accident?
Who knows.
Releasing him is a step towards peace.
That is good.
Let Lebanon feed him from now on.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
dragonrasp,
You write: "I wasn't there. I haven't seen a film. Maybe some Israeli soldier shot her by accident?"
You are glossing over what the child-killer Samir Kuntar did. The girl wasn't shot. Her skull was crushed by Kuntar after he kidnapped her.
What do you think Kuntar was doing in Israel in 1979? Sight-seeing? No. He is a terrorist -- a brutal killer -- not a hero. Get the facts before you make any more ignorant statements. Don't make excuses for a ruthless murderer.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
And just so you know, i'm not Christian, Muslim, Siek, Hindu, or Jewish. I've studied all religions and I think that you guys are missing the new revolution going on in developed nations like America, Europe and Northern Asia. Common sense first. Good before God.
Jews may as well worship Zeus as it fits their arrogance.
Arabs should worship Ares as it fits their bloodlust.
Then you can debate who should sit on mount Olympus, and fight just like you do now.
Cave men....
dragonrasp 3 years ago
You want me to call you Israeli instead of jewish? Why? I don't really recognize Israel as a country. I see it as a region of the world in conflict. Any land rights you were granted by we British were lost the moment you began a greedy land grab.
Have you ever looked at the history of your people and thought, "Hmm, maybe God is trying to tell us we screwed up somewhere. Maybe Jesus really was the son of God? Or maybe that whole golden bull thing still pisses God off."
You people are cursed.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
You British have a lot of balls. A good portion of the conflicts in the world are the result of British meddling in the affairs of others. For example, the Arab-Israeli conflict, the situation in Iraq, India-Pakistan-all involve places where the British colonizers and where the British instituted massive population exchanges. Why don't the British show some humility and some remorse for the mess they made in Palestine for instance? After all the damage you've caused, don't lecture the Jews.
electango 3 years ago 3
These guys should have never been released , their crimes were against children and civilians .
GotThatPMA 3 years ago
I agree but why does this rule only apply to the Lebanese side and not the Israeli side? Why is there a Jewish exception when it kills Arab children and civilians?
PauloGVieira 3 years ago 2
Because, as you should be aware before you shoot your mouth off, Hezbollah were the ones who endangered the civilians by using them as shields. For once, even the UN was absolutely forced to agree to this fact. BUT, thanks for admitting where your bias lies when you say "Jewish" instead of "Israeli".
FlaviaR 3 years ago
So hezbullah used the civilians as "human shields" then why is hezbullah so popular among the same people.
Your opinions are formed by propaganda not by yourself.
jaunkarachi 3 years ago
They are popular for the same reason they use their own children as mules for bombs. When you have a suicidal culture, & are rewarded for terrorism as they have been, this is exactly what happens. YOU opinions are obviously formed by ignorance, especially if you seriously think that your mischaracterization of mine is correct.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
On July 30, 2006, Israel deliberately bombed a building in Qana, Lebanon -- killing 28 innocent civilians. The building wasn't a military target.
For those who want to read about this war crime, go to this site by Human Right Watch:
"Lebanon/Israel: IDF Fails to Explain Qana Bombing"
Flavia, is bombing civilians OK with you? If not, how should Israel's leaders be held accountable for this massacre?
I think they should be arrested and put on trial at the Hague.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
The building WAS a military target because it was being used as a base to fire at Israel - the UN itself said so, & not in any "non-binding resolution". What makes you think you know any better than they do? As far as "Human Rights Watch", nothing Israel says could ever satisfy them - their bias is long-standing.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Flavia,
The building that Israel bombed in Lebanon (where civilians were killed) was NOT a military target. The UN didn't say it was military. Only civilians were there. You make up whatever "facts" you want. You'll justify anything.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Human Rights Watch report, August 3, 2006:
"Israeli forces have systematically failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians in their military campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said in report released today. The pattern of attacks in more than 20 cases investigated by Human Rights Watch researchers in Lebanon indicates that the failures cannot be dismissed as mere accidents...In some cases, these attacks constitute war crimes."
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Only in the mind of zionists and their supporters is Hezbullah terroist. The very state of Israel was formed upon the foundations of terriorism and sucide bombing "King David Hotel bombing July 1946". The very same people who became the Prime Ministers of Israel were terrorist themselves "Menachem Begin".
The reason Hezbullah is terrorist for you is because it resists the apartheid state of Israel. Lastly, the million plus people who turn out on hezbullah rallies are not all their children.
jaunkarachi 3 years ago
hezbollah is listed as a terror organization by the US, UK, canada, australia, and the european parliament.
the world has seen the best proof for hezbollah's terrorism two weeks ago, when lebanon was celebrating the release of kuntar, who smashed the skull of a 4 year old girl in 1979, when he was only 16 years old himself. child murderers can be heros in lebanon, as long as the children they murdererd were jewish.
watch hezbollah terrorists chant "death to america":
watch?v=-HlaVpqUXF0
avielh 3 years ago 2
"Hezbollah...endangered citizens" - You do realise that Hezbollah is not an army but largely a civilian resistance. You do also realise that the many civilian areas that Israel targeted were actually controlled by Lebanese Christians.
You say "Jewish" instead of "Israeli" - IDIOT! Do you read why you write before you press 'post'. Israel regards itself as the "Jewish state". I didnt give them this title they gave it to themselves!
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PauloGVeira,
You write: "Hezbollah is not an army but largely a civilian resistance." Not quite. I suggest you look at Hezbollah's own videos on YouTube. They march around like Nazi stormtroopers with stiff armed salutes. Their videos glorify weapons, violence and hatred.
Just a "civilian resistance"? No, Hezbollah is armed by Iran with heavy weapons. Hezbollalh's leaders take guidance from Iran. Do you like the fanatical Iranian dictatorship? If so, then you must love Hezbollah.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Did you read what I just wrote. I wrote they are "largely" a civilian resistance because most of their members are not part of the armed wing!
"Do you like the fanatical Iranian dictatorship" - You stupid American piece of shit, what a short-term memory you have! Remember it was your taxes that propped up the regime of the Shah in Iran. I certainly dont support the Iranian regime today but you certainly support the denial of freedom and self-determination of the Palestinians by Israel.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PaulGVieira
Excuuuuuuse me for not appreciating your delicate use of the word "largely." For that you called me a "piece of shit." What a jerk you are.
I don't oppose self-determination for the Palestinians. I support their rights -- and I just said so here!
What does the Shah have to do with this? Nothing. You go nuts when someone disagrees with you. You are vulgar and crude -- "largely"!
Hezbollah is a fanatical, heavily-armed extension of Iran -- where Nasrallah goes to kiss ass.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
You support Palestinian rights by funding the Israeli army's occupation of Palestine. Tell me how this works?
Oh dear, you're not very intelligence. The Shah was Iran's dictator and propped up by your government.
I will try to be nicer to you, you've obviously not of a very advanced intellectual state.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PaulGViera,
You distort what I said. I never said the things you attribute to me. I am NOT the U.S. government, you moron! I'm just an American citizen.
Stop acting like a smart-ass. You are a condescending asshole. Of course I know who the Shah was -- but he's IRRELEVANT to this subject. Got that, brainiac?
You make yourself look like a fool when you twist my words. You use personal attacks, and you make up things that I never said. Don't pretend to be superior. What a colossal jerk~!
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Sure you are not the US government you just vote for them and give them money from your salary! Idiot I thought you lived in a democracy?
When you are American and talking about democracy in Iran your policy towards the Shah is very relevant! As is your policy towards Egypt and Saudi Arabia, ie. no one believes your hypocrisy.
HA you think I look like a fool! I must be doing something right if you dont like me.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PauloGVieiro,
Get lost, you freak! You don't know how I voted, what I believe in or who I am. You just make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about me.
There's no point in debating with a total asshole like you who doesn't even bother to find out what I ACTUALLY said. You can cram the fuckin' Shah up your butt, you dumbass!
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Oh dear, I hurt the American's feelings.
I dont care how you vote because Democrats or Republican = genocide of Palestinian people.
PauloGVieira 3 years ago
PaulGVieiera = jackass.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
From what I understand the Hezbollah guy raided an apartment and beat a 4yr old child to death...because she was jewish . The Isreal soldiers were simply on duty on got kidnapped.
GotThatPMA 3 years ago
From what I understand is that you have a very limited knowledge about history. Qantar got caught in 79 and hezbullah was formed in early 80's. Qantar is a Druze and Hezbullah are shia.
jaunkarachi 3 years ago
Perhaps it was a bad idea to have an english Al Jazeera. My friends and I speak a great deal about what we see here now.
Clearly the middle east cannot manage itself, be it the rejected and ignorant Israeli's or the uneducated and hateful arabs.
It is sad when you have to turn to another country to fix your problems. (USA)
It is like one child talking to his parents about the other child.
Personally I think we should spank you both.
You Jews have become no different from arabs.
dragonrasp 3 years ago
I love it when you all expose yourselves by saying "Jews" when you should be saying Israelis. Of course, I knew you were ignorant before you even got to the bigoted part.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
If Kuntar is a Criminal! Israel as a whole is a terrorist state.
ahmshabibi 3 years ago 2
Of course we enjoy cracking 4 year old skulls on rocks for no apperant reason, wow you people shame the human race, (I DO BELIEVE MOST LEBANESE DO NOT KNOW OF KUNTAR'S CRIMES)
BamenYaros 3 years ago
Israelis sure SEEM to like beating up kids. There's a long section in a Chomsky book I remember reading (and these aren't leftist fantasies, he's citing Israeli sources throughout, you know, Ha'aretz and so on, I forget the details but I can find it if you'd like), he just through story after story of uniformed IDF soldiers beating the shit out of Palestinians, in most of them children and disabled elderly people. They do it partly to get around getting caught for a "kill", but some of them...
jammoexii 3 years ago
...seem to speak with some glee. At least a couple of these stories were at least as violent and horrible as what Kuntar is ALLEGED to have done, with as much justification. There are regular stories about (illegal) Israeli settlers going around and beating up Palestinians, there's a video of one attack you can see on this site. These are just the quickest and readiest examples.
There's a very apparent reason though: the basic conception of Israel BY ISRAELIS is as a racist state.
jammoexii 3 years ago
Chomsky is a proven liar, especially on this subject.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Why would anyone quote Chomsky, even Chomsky woulnd quote Chomsky. He has been disproved all over teh place, he fabricates everything, and he is accepted because he is some liberal hero.
RBHT42 3 years ago
BamenYaros:I think you'll find that israel has killed many more children than anyone else, and the killers of Palestinian woman and children are walking the streets of the homosexual city of tel aviv free! not knowing hat the greatest punishment will come from GOD! ALLAH SWT! Beni israel is weel known for going into misleading routes in their history! That is why 3000 years of DARK HISTORY has been known for your race! You are a disgrace to human kind more than anyone else!
ahmshabibi 3 years ago
It seems clear that Israel should not take prisoners anymore. All terrorists from now on should be returned in boxes.
sbelosevic 3 years ago
if sameer quntar killed a 4 yrs old baby is true then he is a criminal,but according to this standard most of the israeli army & leadership is criminal too
SAWAAH 3 years ago 12
Yeah, that Israel - they should just let terrorists shoot rockets at them behind the cover of women & children (as proven by the exact types of casualties found near the terrorist munitions). The propaganda tactic sure works with the brainless masses.
FlaviaR 3 years ago 2
ISRAEL was formed as an an act of terror against the indigenous population in palestine muslim christian & jew.
now u r talking about terrorism
spraying southern lebanon with cluster bombs,destroying the civilian infrastructure, 1200 casulties 90% civilian/is that ur definition of israeli bravery
the propaganda tactic sure works with the brainless masses like urself FLAVIA R
SAWAAH 3 years ago
Sawaah,
Israel was formed with United Nations' approval. The UN also approved the formation of a Palestinian state in 1948. The terror started when Arabs used violence, including an invasion by Arab armies which tried to exterminate the Jewish state in 1948.
Samir Kuntar is a child-killer. He is a hero to some people, which shows that they approve of terrorism and indiscriminate murder, even of children. Some haters and terrorists want to commit genocide -- just as they tried in 1948.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
frank
the UN has no right to grant anybody anything, palestine is not UN territory nor a BRITISH territory to be given away by them.
Now if u think the UN is the ultimate authority on subjects of law and land ownerships, how come israel has violated almost every UN resolution on the matter of palestine
I beleive humanity superceeds national and religious affilaitions,how can anybody with any moral fabric condon what israel is doing to the palestenians
SAWAAH 3 years ago
Sawaah,
You say the UN had "no right to grant anybody anything." Then, who did? The international community (the UN) had to step in since there was no other legitimate authority.
Jews were a majority in the area that the UN designated for a Jewish state. Arabs could have continued living in that area. And Palestinian state could have been created, too. But the Arabs never allowed that to happen.
I agree that Israel should withdraw from occupied Palestinian land, the west bank.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
frank the only solution is for israel to withdraw from occupied arab land to june 4 1967 as in the arab resolution of beirut 2002
israel has tried the sword for 60 years it did not work out ,it will never work out,
so lets try peace so every nation in the area should live in peace and security including israel and palestine,otherwise make the whole territory of historical palestine one nation for all, equal rights ,equal responsibility
SAWAAH 3 years ago
Sawaah,
I agree, Israel must withdraw in order to achieve peace. The Palestinians deserve their own state. At times, Israel has aggressed against Lebanon and against the Palestinians.
But let's not forget that Arab war-mongering led to the 1967 war. Let's not pretend that the Arabs have been angels. Suicide bombers and terrorists like Samir Kuntar show that evil exists on the Arab side. I am digusted that this child-killing thug, Samir Kuntar, is being celebrated as a hero.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
frank part1
it is true of what you have said about arab aggresion,but that was the reaction ,for arabs the decision to divide palestine was the first act of aggresion,which started the ball rollin in the conflict,and i think that was a reasonable reaction for somebody who is about to lose half his country,but that was then,and this is now.
SAWAAH 3 years ago
Sawaah,
Sorry, I disagree. The partition of Palestine into a Jewish state and a Palestinian state made sense in 1948. Jews were a majority in their area. Arabs could have continued to live in the Jewish state after 1948, if the Arabs hadn't resorted to war.
Even if you consider the partition to have been wrong, violence wasn't the answer. The Arabs brought disaster upon themselves by starting a war in 1948. The Jews fought for survival, expelling many Arabs as a security threat.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Israel has not "aggressed" against anybody. Answering aggression is not aggression.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR.
1. Israel's occuption of the West Bank amounts to aggression.
2. Israel's occupation of Gaza for 40 years was aggression.
3. Israel's bombardment of all of Lebanon, killing over one thousand innocent civilians two years ago, was aggression. In fact, it was a war crime.
Lebanese women and children were slaughtered in Qana, Lebanon in 2006 and in 1996. Israel's leaders should be put on trial at the Hague for these massacres.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
let me use hte same logic as you...
1. Jordan's expulsion of western Arabs into the west bank in 1967 amounts to ethnic cleansing.
2. Egypts relocation of arab villages to and near Gaza and sealing the border is aggression.
3. Hamas rocketing innocent civilian villages is genocide.
The Jerusalem pogroms killing housands orchestrated by Arafats uncle Haj Mohammad Amin al-Husayni is true aggression and genocide.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
OK, you have your list of Arab misdeeds. Fine. I'm sure you can find many more. But you shouldn't throw around the term "genocide." That word has a specific meaning, which doesn't apply to the Arab-Israeli dispute.
Sure, you can cite many wrongs commmitted by Arab regimes over the years. So? Are you trying to justify Israel's occupation of the West Bank & Lebanon? If so, your list of wrongs doesn't excuse Israel's actions.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Why the Arabs are so quick to throw genocide around as a propaganda tool. Anytime I see an arab whining about Israel the following come up.
genocide
ethnic cleansing
apartheid
slaughter (debases human life)
massacre (my favorite)- as in the Gaza beach massacre which was caused by the Palestinians themselves.
OH How arabs love extreme emotional terms and take no responsibilities for the words they use and the actions they take.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
OK, granted: Arabs (and everyone else) throw around over-charged exaggerations.
But now you are making excuses for the Gaza beach massacre, blaming the Palestinians, instead of the Israelis who committed it.
You are doing something worse than the rhetoric you deplore: you're talking like an apologist. You are making excuses for the inexcusable.
Many things are worse than over-heated rhetoric. For example: Israel's massacres in Lebanon and elsewhere!
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!
just do a search for Pallywood and Gaza and you will see that this has been proven that this family was killed by a Hamas mine that they plant on the beaches to keep Israeli commandos out. The media just assumed it was Israels fault and then some liberal idiots claimed it was a shell (no evidence of shell fragments) This has been proven over and over, just like the Al Dura killing (which was also a fabrication by Pallywood)
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
Not true. Human Rights Watch conducted a thorough investigation of this incident. Their researchers visited the site of this incident. They found jagged shrapnel, stamped "155mm," which is consistent with Israel's M-109 Artillery.
HRW researchers interviewed eyewitnesses who heard incoming projectiles. They reported 5 to 6 explosions. The crater was consistent with Israeli artillery, not a land mine. It occurred in an area of Israeli artillery a week earlier. And so on.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Not true, what you are offering is the original biased human rights watch investigation, which was later disproven. READ NO Crater and NO SHell FRAGMENTS please re-read the case elswhere before challenging the truth.
RBHT42 3 years ago
Human Rights Watch:
"The fatal explosion took place at a time when the IDF said it was firing artillery rounds."
HRW "researchers also examined blood-crusted shrapnel given to them by the father of a 19-year-old male who suffered abdominal wounds in the beach explosion. They determined that the shrapnel is a piece of fuse from an artillery shell."
I doubt that the Palestinians would have minded their own beaches with unidentified mines. If they did, why no other explosions?
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Investigations by many watch organization over the past year have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was most likely the cause of the beach blast:
1) Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians sent to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli ordnance.
2) No crater was evident on the beach as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above.
3) All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT,
1. You claim the Palestinians mined their own public beach. Come on. That claim is outlandish and without evidence.
2. You say it's just a coincidence that Israeli forces fired artillery shells into that area only "10 mintues before the blasts." Come on!
Actually, the time was less than 10 minutes. Israeli artillery fired at 4:52 p.m. Patients were RECEIVED at the hospital at 5:05. So, the blasts and the shelling were almost simultaneous.
You're just repeating Israeli whitewash.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
RBHT,
Sure, al-Husayni was an SOB and a Nazi sympathizer. But I don't think "thousands" were killed.
In 2006 alone, Israel killed more innocent civilians in Lebanon (including women and children) than the total number of Israeli civilians killed in terrorist attacks.
After Hezbollah's raid in 2006, Israel's military leaders wanted to destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, but the U.S. warned Israel not to do so. Israel's attack would have been much worse without U.S. restraint. What madness.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Frank: just because you insist things are true doesn't make them so. Te more you make increasingly dumb comments like these, you show yourself not just naive, but ignorant.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Israel should not withdraw from anywhere because it is her land. The gift of Gaza to the so-called Palestinians is proof positive that they do not want a state, but a base of operations against Jews.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
Why is it Israel's land? Show us the deed or international law that entitles Israel to that land. Merely CLAIMING that it's Israel's land doesn't make it so!
Yes, Gaza is very anti-Israel. Four decades of Israeli occupation created a lot of anger toward Israel. Don't pretend that you don't know where the animosity came from!
Your arrogant attitude (taking their land) generates rage from Arabs. If you step on someone, you should expect an angry reaction. Don't play innocent.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
No one took arab land, Gaza is a festering sh*t hole because the surrounding arab nations willed it that way. If people are suffering so much in Gaza and the West Bank, why does Egypt seal off the border, why does Jordan. They want security, not from the Israelis but from the festering stew of violence that they themselves created after the 67 war where they promised everyone they would be victorious.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
You neglected to mention one little fact:
ISRAEL OCCUPIED GAZA FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.
Israel used force and violence to keep Israeli settlers in Gaza. How do you think Israelis would react if Arabs built settlements in Israel, backed up by a foreign army?
If Israel had cultivated good will with the Palestinians by withdrawing from Gaza and the West Bank long ago, Israel wouldn't face the claudron of hatred that it does now. The same goes for Lebanon. Israel makes enemies.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Israel would face the same amount of hatred even if they owned a postage size stamp of land in that area, dont you understand, the arabs dont want an autonomous Jewish state in what they deem is there area. Israel does so much in terms of civil service for the palestinians and you never see the media report it. Instead they like to show violence because it provide entertainment value,a great deal of which is fabricated, like the Al Durra case.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
You're merely engaging in blather to blame the Arabs for everything, turn a blind eye to Israel's misdeeds and justify anything that Israel does, as if it is a blameless angel.
With your viewpoint, there is no opportunity for peace -- so why bother even trying, right? You seem to think that Israel can do no wrong. It can do whatever it wants, including subjugate another people -- because a peace settlement is impossible, anyway. You hardened attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
There is not opportunity for peace because Arabs have re built Palestinian society into a hate machine, through education and propoganda, no arab will rest untill Israel is wiped off the map. This is on the lips of every Palestinian.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
Yes, there is hate from the Palestinians. And Israel's oppressive policies merely feed into that negativity. Israel's arrogant and violent stance empowers extremists on the other side.
In 1948, when Jews in Palestine were under British occupation in 1948, some Jews also engaged in terrorism.
What do you expect from oppressed people? If Israel changed its policies, it would get a different reaction. Israel is the occupier and the aggressor, so Israel bears most of the blame.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Pleas list for me Israels "oppressive" policies. Is it when they provide their enemy the best medical care possible, including reconstructive surgeries, is it the food supplies that theier Arab brothers do not provide. What policies do you refer to.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
There a lot of videos on YouTube documenting the aggression and brutality of Israeli settlers and soldiers against Palestinians. I suggest that you spend an hour looking at those videos. Then, tell me how wonderful the Israelis are treating the Palestinians.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
YOu should watch the same videos showing arab violence, violent education, anti-semitic propoganda and murderous acts.
RBHT42 3 years ago
FrankCoffman, your ignorance amazes me. You should stop watching pallywood.
Non of your so called "facts" are right. You have made your mind and now you are trying to build a case around it.
You should write about things that you know and understand. And I wouldn't write anything that leans on a youtube video... (sorry youtube...)
thelustig 3 years ago
RBHT42,
The truth is: You don't want to make peace with the Arabs. You'd rather point a gun at them. And then you wonder why they are upset.
You say: The Arabs are hateful and unreasonable. Maybe they are. But how did they get that way, and how do you change the situation? With continued occupation? No.
Israel is the occupier and the aggressor, so it bears most of responsiblity for making peace. How? By getting off the Palestinians' backs!
And stop the excuses for Israeli atrocities.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Your heart bleeds too much and I think you are no longer making any sense. Israelis have outstretched their arm in peace to arabs only to have it bitten. Their response is sometimes violent but its ALLWAYS in defense. The moment the arabs stop the rhetoric and the violence is the moment everyones life can continue.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT,
You say Israelis "have outstretched their arm in peace to Arabs." Hilarious~!
If the Israelis want peace, why don't they get the fuck off of Palestinian land?!
Between the years 2000 and 2004, "more than 1600 Palestinian civilians not involved in hostilities, including at least 500 children, were killed by Israeli security forces." (HRW)
Why is Israel building a wall taking Palestinians land?
Israel killed about a thousand innocent Lebanese civilains in 2006. Israel is brutal.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Israel built a wall to keep suicide bombers out...guess what, it works. They want to work in Israel while supporting killing of innocents, then tehy should have to pay the price.
RBHT42 3 years ago
RBHT42,
You've got it backwards. The Palestinians need a wall to keep the Israelis out!
Israel lied to cover up its slaughter on the Gaza beach.
To see the wholesale destruction that Israel has caused all over Gaza, google this photo essay by Human Rights Watch:
"Patterns in the Rubble: Home Demolitions in Gaza"
After you've seen these pics, tell me again how wonderful you think the Israelis have treated the Palestinians.
You're living in a dream world, pal.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
GREAT Israel is more than happy to oblige, maybe they can use some of that rubble to build more walls. OH and FUCK HRW they are liars and brainwashed liberal idiots.
RBHT42 3 years ago
It is Israel's land because she was given it by the owners, and she won it after being attacked. These are simple facts! Pretending that it's any different shows that you actually have a bias, instead of just being stupid. And just because people who refuse to stop killing Jews (not just Israelis) get occupied for it doesn't mean that their anger against their punishers is justified.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
Flavia,
Israel didn't "win" the West Bank and Gaza "after being attacked." Israel wasn't attacked in 1967 (although it was threatened). You say I make "dumb comments," but you don't know basic facts, as shown by your misstatement that Israel won the land "after being attacked."
No one has a right to grab other people's land. The West Bank Arabs didn't attack Israel. You are confused.
Your attitude doesn't permit a peace settlement. You must want unending war. No wonder Israel has enemies.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Coffman, Israel was attacked - read the rules of war sometime. Oh, & look into what happens every time Israel tries to give land containing so-called Palestinians on it to Jordan, or any other Arab country. Thanks for proving that you really know less than nothing.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
You are laughable. In 1967, Israel was NOT attacked (only threatened). Nor has Israel ever tried to give land to any Arab country.
Your statements are ridiculous. They are so WRONG that they are comical. You need to read, instead writing this ignorant drivel.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
I am sure that I am laughable to someone as belligerently ignorant as you,. I see that you refuse to do as I said & look up the rules of war. When a nation is BLOCKADED, it is an ACT OF WAR. It IS an ATTACK. Israel has ALSO tried to give the "occupied territories" to Jordan, Your refusal to even accept facts, much less look them up, when combined with your childish need to ridicule what you cannot disprove only proves everything I have said about you & others of your ilk.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
You're using a technical definition of war. Yes, Israel was partly blockaded. Sure, that's an act of war. But in common parlance, Israel wasn't physically ATTACKED. Knock off the bullshit.
You're playing with words so you can justify the Israelis continuing 40-year occupation of the Palestinians.
I didn't "refuse to accept facts." I just don't accept your exaggerations and your absurd claim that the occupied territories belong to Israel. Not even Israel makes that formal claim.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Your attempt to pretend that it is not you who is *wallowing* in bovine excrement would be funny if you weren't serious. I am right & you are just upset because of it.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
What is your point? You seem to think that the "rules of war" justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. What BS. Rules of war don't justify that.
The Palestinians didn't attack Israel in 1967, so WTF are you talking about?
Egypt's blockade doesn't justify Israel's 40-year supprssion of the Palestinians.
I merely said that Israel wasn't ATTACKED in 1967. Everyone knows that the word "attack" isn't equivalent to "blockade" -- and it doesn't justify Israel's occupation.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
What justifies Israel's occupation is the so-called Palestinians' refusal to stop killing as many Jews (not just Israelis) as they can. If the PLO et al would stop, so would Israel, & you know it.
& you can keep insisting that an act of war isn't an attack, but you're only fooling all the willing dupes.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
"Bovine excrement"? You've sunk to a new low of crudeness.
You're uninformed. The Palestinian Authority has been negotiating (not fighting) with Israel. Israel recognizes that the PA is trying to work out a peace deal, not "killing Jews."
If Israel wasn't subjugating the Palestinians, there wouldn't be a conflict. Whether a "blockade" (40 YEARS AGO~!) is synonymous with "attack" is irrelevant. That doesn't justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. Your point is senseless.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
*I've* sunk? Well, if so, I have yet to meet your level in that area, as well as in being "uninformed." If you really think that the PA is "negotiating" with Israel, then I suppose that explains how you can insist that Israel is the one that started it with the so-called Palestinians & not the other way around. But it's nice to see you finally give up on the point where you are also wrong - that a blockade is an act of war, an attack. My point isn't senseless- trying to educate you *is*.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
You are RUDE. Your talk about "excrement" is stupid and makes you look bad.
I never said a blockade isn't an act of war. So, stop acting so superior. I said that a blockade (40 years ago -- NOT by the Palestinians) doesnt' justify Israel's occupation of the Palestinians. Your point is IRRELEVANT.
You don't think the PA is really negotiating? Even Israel thinks the Palestinians are negotiating. But you think you know better. Ha. Not even Israel agrees with you. You are clueless.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
You know nothing about international law. You've got it backwards. The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits settlements in occupied territory:
"The occupying power shall not transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."
The Mitchell Report stated that "international law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention, prohibits Israel from establishing settlements in occupied territory."
So, you're flat wrong. Israeli settlements are illegal under int'l law.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
FlaviaR,
Apparently, you haven't read a newspaper in 20 years. The PLO isn't attacking Israel. In fact, Israel has been negotiating with the PLO (the Palestinian Authority). Have you seen recent pics of Israel's prime minister shaking hands with the head of the Palestinian Authority?
The Israeli government doesn't make the strange claims that you make about the PLO. Appparently, you don't know what going on. Your uninformed vulgar comments make sound not only ignorant but incredibly stupid.
GothicFuturist 3 years ago
Your pretense that negotiations somehow mean anything to terrorists is what is vulgar & uninformed.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
let me ask you this:
what justifies the americans occupation of america? america used to belong to native americans (indians).
what justifies the arabs occupation of egypt, syria, jordan etc.???? they were not arab countries to begin with!
yardy151 3 years ago 2
FlaviaR,
You're right, a blockade is an act of war. But there wasn't any blockade. In 1967, Egypt's leader Nasser threatened to blockade Israel's southern Port of Eilat. But he never followed through. "In reality, such a blockade was never imposed." ("A History of Israel" by Ahron Bregman, p. 118)
Israel was never blockaded. So, your point is totally false. There was no act of war against Israel before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967. You need to find another excuse for Israel's occupation.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
No, Israel was not only blockaded, but Egyptian troops massed on her border. No other excuse is needed.
FlaviaR 3 years ago
why do you come from all the world (usa, australia, russia, irland, france, bellarussia, ukrania, germany etc...) to expulse palestinians (muslims and christians) from their homes? i take a look to israeli presidents nationnalities and i found that 98% of them are not from the are!! they are europeans and russians and one of them from irland!!
lumierdujour 2 years ago
lumierdujour, you need to stop reading propaganda. The Arab higher Committee told Arabs to leave the area so they could kill all the Jews - and it simply didn't work that way.
(PS - the only "Palestinians" prior to '67 were Jews)
I also do not care even if the rest of your insane, racist post was true - Israel gets to decide who is an Israeli citizen, not you.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
You are not just a liar, but an idiotic, desperate one. I don't care how many other obscure liars you can dredge up - it doesn't change the facts.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
FlaviaR,
You can't come up with an intelligent, factual reply, so you resort to name-calling and insults. How low. Your trash talk reflects badly on you, not on anyone else. Learn some manners and learn how to make a coherent point. Your current approach doesn't convince anyone of anything, except that you are rude and hateful. Forget the whole issue since you're not capable of debate -- just of pointless insults and hate. What a waste.
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
The sad fact is that I have come up with facts that you have simply denied, & then lied about what I said. What you call insults are also facts, & it burns you up. How typical. As usual, you bigots always project your own flaws onto those who expose them - it's clear that the true rude & hateful waste is yourselves.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
FlaviaR
I see you're posting more insults and name-calling. You have nothing else to say. You've reduced this exchange to the level of mere name-calling. I can't reply to you because you're not saying anything of substance. I posted factual, logical points, You replied with personal attacks. Instead of attacking my arguments, you attacked me personally. Apparently, you just want to trade insults. Sorry, I'm not interested in trading insults with you. Find someone else to insult and call names.
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
when you insult then i know that you have no argument! but everybody know that zionists stoll arab lands and UNO reconnize that there is 4 million palestinian refugies and the fact is that 98% of israelipresidents have american and european and russian nationnalities and camefrom there!! and over 350 human right organization arround the world say that israel committed crimes against civilians and used a white phosphorus weapons and still expulse palestinians from their homes until now!!
lumierdujour 2 years ago
I do not insult - i point out facts that merely make you upset. "Everybody knows" LOTS of things that simpiy aren't true. Israel stole nothing & it's the surrounding Arabs who are totally responsible for the so-called "refugees" (Notice that only so-called Palestinians get a new definition for the term?). & thanks for mentioning the already debunked lies about "white phosphorous": proof positive as to who has to lie to make a point.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
FlaviaR
You wrote: "I do not insult." In fact, you insult constantly, You called me "a liar," a "bigot" and other insults. I said nothing racist or prejudiced, so you have no basis for calling me "a bigot." You are a rude name-caller.
You refer to "lies about white phosphorous." In fact, there is video on YouTube of Israel dropping white phosphorous in Gaza. Israel even dropped buring phosphorous on the UN headquarters in Gaza. Israel killed 400 children Gaza. (continued)
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
It's not an insult when it's palpably true. And you prove it by the debunked crap about the white phosphorous. The Red Cross was finally forced to admit that Israel's use was not in violation of any law.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
FlaviaR
So, do you think the pictures and video of people in Gaza who were burned with white phosphrous were faked? Are you claiming that the pictures of white phosphorous being fired into Gaza neighborhoods are fake? Did the United Nations personnel lie about their headquarters being hit with white phosphorous? Of course not.
You don't care what the truth is. You'll say anything to defend Israel. You deny facts. You make up whatever you want to believe
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
FlaviaR,
You refer to "debunked lies about white phosphorous." Not true. Human Right Watch found that:
"Israel's military fired white phosphorus over crowded areas of Gaza repeatedly and indiscriminately in its three-week war, killing and injuring civilians and committing war crimes. Israel ignored warnings from UN staff before hitting the main UN compound in Gaza with white phosphorus shells on January 15. Israel used white phosphorus in a way that killed civilians." -- The Guardian, 3-25-09.
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
Flavia, you misstate facts -- and then you have the gall to accuse other people of "lies." To refute your false claim of "debunked lies about white phosphorous," here is what Amnesty International found: "The Israeli army used white phosphorus in densely populated civilian residential areas of Gaza City...We saw streets and alleyways littered with white phosphorus still burning and the remnants of the shells and canisters fired by the Israeli army...White phosphorus landed in the hospital..."
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
1 - the terrorist sionist groups of immigrants like hagana and ergoun (england and france reconnize that these groups was terrorists) killed and expulsed palestinians from their homes before 1948 ex : tantura, dir yassin !
2 - even if we trust that some palestinians leaved their homes n 1948 because of the war, they still have the right to ge back to their homes after the war and the sionist immigrants haven't the right to stoll these homes
lumierdujour 2 years ago
If the so-called Palestinians would be "terrorists" like the Hagana, I wouldn't r complain. But thanks for admitting that you still cling to debunked lies like "Deir Yassin", or that anyone who could prove their house was taken hasn't been compensated long ago.. What a joke!
FlaviaR 2 years ago
3 - the terrorist state of israel still expulse palestinians from their homes until now!
lumierdujour 2 years ago
Stop lying.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
you can't response to my arguments? there was no sionist terrorist groups like hagana and ergoun (before1948) there was no crimes in tantura or dir yassine before 1948? there is no destruction of palestinian homes now in alquds?
lumierdujour 2 years ago
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do not agree with Israeli policy toward the Palestinians, but Arab regimes use anti-Israel sentiment to postpone moving toward democracy.
Alaa Al Aswany
Still, with refreshing diversity, The Economist cites Mona Eltahawy, a New York-based Egyptian pundit, who explains that Israel is "the opium of the Arabs."
"Resistance" to Israel's existence, she implies, provides Arabs and the mullahs of Iran with a convenient excuse for putting off political and economic development.
lacarneceria613 2 years ago
lumierdujour,
You are correct. Human rights groups have accused Israel of committing "war crimes" in Lebanon and In Gaza. No country recognizes Israel's forcible seizure of East Jerusalem. Israel is destroying Arab homes in East Jerusalem and taking Arab land elsewhere. Israel is aggressive and expansionist. Israel = occupation, colonization, confiscation, expulsion and destruction.
Yes, Flavia resorts to insults and phony "facts" because he cannot make a valid argument.
FrankCoffman 2 years ago
Just because you refuse to accept the truth does not make *me* a liar.
FlaviaR 2 years ago
FrankCoffman, by your logic you should leave the US imidiatly an give it back to the native americans.
thelustig 3 years ago
thelustig,
Even the Israeli government recognizes that it must give up land (how much is in dispute) to the Palestinians. You don't seem to know what's going on.
My facts are exactly right. You are making irrelevant arguments that not even the Israeli government makes.
FrankCoffman 3 years ago
Wow, I click on this video and look who I find. You know what makes me cringe every time I see your name? Its the fact that you constantly pass judgement on others but constantly claim the higher moral ground, and you negate what you say by calling other ppl "assholes", etc. Hmmm, is that neighborly? You are the most pretentious and condescending person I have ever seen online, and those videos of yours... while they are entertaining, are not the jewels you make them out to be.
phoenixheffa 3 years ago