What I find Wakefield and McCarthy are directly responsible for and that is truly tragic is that dozens of infants below the age of 3 months (before they could get vaccinated) have now died in the US because they were exposed to diseases that prior to this were essentially eradicated.
@optionsupdate You must read more, or view "Vaccine Wars". At every turn vaccines have been shown not to cause autism. All that changes is the anti-medicine groupies demands. "Stop MMR" Okay... no change. "Remove thimerosal" Okay.... no change. "Er, um, it must be vaccines themselves".
And that's just plain bullshit. Baby shakers & murderers now use "vaccine damage" as a defence.
Question is - What activist groups are liable for the evidence backed harm of lethal vaccine preventable diseases?
The Aids epidemic may have been triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox. The World Health Organization, which masterminded the 13-year campaign, is studying new scientific evidence suggesting that immunization with the smallpox vaccine Vaccinia awakened the unsuspected, dormant human immuno defence virus infection (HIV).
@firesnakepodcast Just google 'The Aids epidemic may have been triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox' it's the second link down.
None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield. No one at the Royal Free Hospital where he worked had an issue with Andy Wakefield. No one at The Lancet who published Wakefield had an issue with his work.
People dont realize that Deer was funded by Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industries. So its not surprising to me that he would attack Wakefield.
@Kinghercules "People dont realize that Deer was funded by Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industries." That's probably because he wasn't. An article claiming so, is republished word for word in all the typical suspects on the same date. Read the reality here:
"Fact checking the Age of Autism’s defense of Andrew Wakefield" at Left Brain, Right Brain - Google it.
Wakefield's game is over. Read the BMJ pieces. He and Walker-Smith are both guilty of manipulating records, lies, fraud
@firesnakepodcast: ""Fact checking the Age of Autism’s defense of Andrew Wakefield" at Left Brain, Right Brain - Google it."
I did and I noticed more of the usual LBRB drivel there. In this case all they did was "verified" the matter by sending an enquiry to the MLI group already specified by AW as being one of his dubious enemies, and then took their word as self-evidently Gospel Truth. I don't think the LBRB crowd would know what real verification was if it landed on their proverbial nose.
@Kinghercules "None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield."
Awww man!
Father 11 -
“From the information you provided me on our son, who I was shocked to hear had been included in their published study,” he wrote to Deer, “the data clearly appeared to be distorted.”
@firesnakepodcast, you type out here two alleged anti-Wakefield statements from (Lancet) Father 11 which he allegedly "wrote to Deer". Which is fine if you pre-assume that everything Deer claims is true anyway. And the question remains as to why none of the 12x2=24 parents filed a complaint themselves with the GMC. And they are certainly on video-record complaining ABOUT the GMC.
@Kinghercules "None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield."
And from Father 11 again:
“Please let me know if Andrew W has his doctor’s license revoked,” wrote Mr 11, who is convinced that many vaccines and environmental pollutants may be responsible for childhood brain disorders. “His misrepresentation of my son in his research paper is inexcusable. His motives for this I may never know.”
In this video Deer lies that he is and was been employed/paid by the sunday times, when in reality they've not been paying him. This leaves a huge mystery of how he could afford to attend every day of the huge GMC inquiry, when his whole carreer consists of nothing more than such character-assassination ops. He was previously heavily involved in Pharma PR work. Join the dot folks!
@robincla So say a gazillion conspiracy theorists. But with just one article based on evidence.... no more Wakefield lies. No 72 million pound/year facility he'd planned to treat his non existent condition, no realisation of the monovalent patents making him the single most powerful vaccine owner/distributor on the planet and the staggering profits.... just money from gullible and desperate parents.
Got any evidence beyond repetition of wild claims?
@firesnakepodcast: "Got any evidence beyond repetition of wild claims?"
No, you evidently haven't. You've completely failed to answer any of my points here, except with the cheap "conspiracy theorists" cliché. And more, but you're clearly not interested in opening your mind to an alternative possibility so you're on your own now. Cheers.
The BMJ has form for knowingly publishing lies. It published a huge pack of lies in an "obituary" of Prof David Horrobin which produced about 100 complaints and it was ordered to retract and was not sued only because it had thoughtfully waited till the victim had just died so his widow and family had no legal recourse. The BMJ is full of pharma ads and is the trade union rag of the BMA.
Brian Deer is a hero for his work in exposing Wakefield as the criminal he is. That was a superb interview, which was enhanced by including the clip of the desperate straw-clutching Wakefield.
Defending the indefensible by casting aspersions about his detractors is all Wakefield and his dwindling band of supporters have left but nobody's listening any more.
sure you can always trust big pharmas word that vaccines are safe. how does the medical system explain a kid that is seemingly normal before they get a vaccine ;then after they get say somthing like a h1n1 vaccine they come down with autism thats a pretty big coincidence to me, on most of the mainstream media chanels they havnt talked very much about side effects such as Somthing called (guilliane barre syndrome) or GBS look it up big pharma is not being honest
It may seem a "pretty big coincidence" to you but it isn't. If a vaccine is given at the same stage of development that the first symptoms of autism normally appear, it is understandable that distressed parents may attribute the development of the condition to the vaccine. (Google 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'). That is why it is important to study the effects of the vaccine population wide and not just rely on individual anecdotes ad not rely on how things "seem" to you.
@skepticat1 here in my state a woman took her kid in to get the h1n1 vaccine at the peak of the "epidemic" and then shortly after that the kids arms and legs turned black and had to be amputated and your telling me that that had nothing to do with the vaccines?
No I'm not telling you anything other than not to rely on what "seems" to be. A lot of people were taken in by what "seemed" to be a link between the MMR jab and autism. But the overwhelming weight of evidence now available to us has demonstrated that this link is non-existent.
The reason my children, who are now fit, healthy adults, got all the jabs they were supposed to is that too many children of my generation died or were left permanently disabled by infectious diseases. Thanks to Wakefield and the idiots of the anti-vax movement, we're now seeing a resurgence of those diseases. It's disgraceful that children in developed countries should die of them but they are. Everyone who campaigns against vaccines has blood on their hands.
@skepticat1 thats all well and good, but i personally dont appreciate people in the vaccine industry trying to spike trick into taking the h1n1 shot by slipping it into the seasonal flu vaccine, and they said that people who get the seasonal flu shot will probally get the h1n1 to because its in there they said this. and if they spike the seasonal flu vaccine with the h1n1 what other vaccinations are they also spiking and with what? if they werent totally honest about this what else are theyupto
@thomas242007 The doctor has had his reputation and career utterly destroyed. If he was indeed defamed by all of these forces he should file a libel suit. Hmmm, wonder why he isn't.
@mongobobo The absence of suing for libel does not prove guilt. The Big Pharma hiding behind Deer have gigantic resources with which to beat any challenge, and are utterly unscrupulous. Any judge ruling against Deer would be forever more in fear of his life. And W discontinued the previous libel action because he wanted to have it reasonably postponed till after he was bogged down in the GMC corrupt trial.
@robincla Well, if you believe, as clearly you do, that there is some secret global cabal that wants to see Andrew Wakefield destroyed and will stop at nothing, even assassinating Judges, then I guess you'd have a point.
@mongobobo A "?SECRET? global cabal"? There's been a huge global conspiracy by big pharma for decades, just not quite as secret as you suggest. There's been tons of proof of their extensive abuses, just they don't get headlined in the BMJ or other capitalism-dominated media, for non hi-tech reasons you might just about be able to guess. If you have internet access then you have the opportunity, unlike millions, to learn the other side of this vast propaganda screen. Continued.....
@robincla Just a hint, see Deer's youtube "reply" to the "Wakefield in his own words" vid, note Deer has disabled comments, typical of the fascists who hide behind such barriers, insisting on only talking down to their audience, as indeed befits authoritarian fascists. In my experience honest people welcome discussion and challenge, rather than shelter behind disabling it. I notice you haven't responded to my points above about Deer and the BMJ - now why could that be....
Oh please! It was Wakefield who started the MMR scare with his crappy discredited paper. This is a well-documented piece of history so don't call me 'dumb' for pointing it out.
I am more than familiar with everything Wakefield has said . Of course Wakefield isn't anti-vaccine - he had a patent for one he intended to produce himself, which he hoped would make him even richer.
Seems like you're the one who needs to do some reading.
@thomas242007 I blame Big Wiggle and Big Dinosaur. Kids develop normally until they start dancing and singing along to The Wiggles. Do you know how many pollutants, heavy metals, alloys, plastics, ebil chemicals and toxins go into making CD's and DVD's??? Or the ink in the pretty pictures?
And what parent would pump those decibels into a developing brain. Children need to develop their hearing naturally. Wind, birdies, babbling brooks, farting and soothing voices.
What I find Wakefield and McCarthy are directly responsible for and that is truly tragic is that dozens of infants below the age of 3 months (before they could get vaccinated) have now died in the US because they were exposed to diseases that prior to this were essentially eradicated.
glenborchert 9 months ago
Some more details in the documentary "Selective Hearing", look for it in YT, it seems like I'm unable to attach a video response.
youtube. com/ watch?v=DzEDAxbAsKc
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which companies are involved/liable for this vaccine damage to children
optionsupdate 1 year ago
@optionsupdate You must read more, or view "Vaccine Wars". At every turn vaccines have been shown not to cause autism. All that changes is the anti-medicine groupies demands. "Stop MMR" Okay... no change. "Remove thimerosal" Okay.... no change. "Er, um, it must be vaccines themselves".
And that's just plain bullshit. Baby shakers & murderers now use "vaccine damage" as a defence.
Question is - What activist groups are liable for the evidence backed harm of lethal vaccine preventable diseases?
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
ARTICLE FROM THE TIMES:
The Aids epidemic may have been triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox. The World Health Organization, which masterminded the 13-year campaign, is studying new scientific evidence suggesting that immunization with the smallpox vaccine Vaccinia awakened the unsuspected, dormant human immuno defence virus infection (HIV).
express375 1 year ago
@express375 Can I have the name and date of that article?
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
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@firesnakepodcast Just google 'The Aids epidemic may have been triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox' it's the second link down.
express375 1 year ago
@firesnakepodcast I only just noticed the date!!! Edition 1 MON 11 MAY 1987
They really don't care about peoples health,just saving there own skin.If they made a mistake,own up to it and learn.
I've lost all faith in so called experts,in every field.
express375 1 year ago
@express375 "ARTICLE FROM THE TIMES" - Nevermind. It's on all the conspiracy sites. FAIL!
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
@express375 “Smallpox Vaccine ‘Triggered AIDS Virus.’”
The London Times - May 11, 1987
Dr Alan Cantwell, M.D. - one person. Also mentioned in articles claiming "biological warfare".
The claim is that smallpox "triggered a dormant AIDS virus".
HIV is the virus, AIDS is the immune disease, and the "dormant virus" theory cannot be substantiated.
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
He's a free-lance journalist,and is not employed by the Sunday Times.
Now who's twisting the truth.
express375 1 year ago
None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield. No one at the Royal Free Hospital where he worked had an issue with Andy Wakefield. No one at The Lancet who published Wakefield had an issue with his work.
People dont realize that Deer was funded by Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industries. So its not surprising to me that he would attack Wakefield.
Kinghercules 1 year ago
@Kinghercules "People dont realize that Deer was funded by Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industries." That's probably because he wasn't. An article claiming so, is republished word for word in all the typical suspects on the same date. Read the reality here:
"Fact checking the Age of Autism’s defense of Andrew Wakefield" at Left Brain, Right Brain - Google it.
Wakefield's game is over. Read the BMJ pieces. He and Walker-Smith are both guilty of manipulating records, lies, fraud
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
@firesnakepodcast: ""Fact checking the Age of Autism’s defense of Andrew Wakefield" at Left Brain, Right Brain - Google it."
I did and I noticed more of the usual LBRB drivel there. In this case all they did was "verified" the matter by sending an enquiry to the MLI group already specified by AW as being one of his dubious enemies, and then took their word as self-evidently Gospel Truth. I don't think the LBRB crowd would know what real verification was if it landed on their proverbial nose.
robincla 1 year ago
@Kinghercules "None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield."
Awww man!
Father 11 -
“From the information you provided me on our son, who I was shocked to hear had been included in their published study,” he wrote to Deer, “the data clearly appeared to be distorted.”
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
@firesnakepodcast, you type out here two alleged anti-Wakefield statements from (Lancet) Father 11 which he allegedly "wrote to Deer". Which is fine if you pre-assume that everything Deer claims is true anyway. And the question remains as to why none of the 12x2=24 parents filed a complaint themselves with the GMC. And they are certainly on video-record complaining ABOUT the GMC.
robincla 1 year ago
@Kinghercules "None of the parents from the original 1998 study had an issue with Andy Wakefield."
And from Father 11 again:
“Please let me know if Andrew W has his doctor’s license revoked,” wrote Mr 11, who is convinced that many vaccines and environmental pollutants may be responsible for childhood brain disorders. “His misrepresentation of my son in his research paper is inexcusable. His motives for this I may never know.”
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
In this video Deer lies that he is and was been employed/paid by the sunday times, when in reality they've not been paying him. This leaves a huge mystery of how he could afford to attend every day of the huge GMC inquiry, when his whole carreer consists of nothing more than such character-assassination ops. He was previously heavily involved in Pharma PR work. Join the dot folks!
robincla 1 year ago
@robincla So say a gazillion conspiracy theorists. But with just one article based on evidence.... no more Wakefield lies. No 72 million pound/year facility he'd planned to treat his non existent condition, no realisation of the monovalent patents making him the single most powerful vaccine owner/distributor on the planet and the staggering profits.... just money from gullible and desperate parents.
Got any evidence beyond repetition of wild claims?
No, didn't think so.
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
@firesnakepodcast: "Got any evidence beyond repetition of wild claims?"
No, you evidently haven't. You've completely failed to answer any of my points here, except with the cheap "conspiracy theorists" cliché. And more, but you're clearly not interested in opening your mind to an alternative possibility so you're on your own now. Cheers.
robincla 1 year ago
@robincla Very well. So, why no independent reproduction or major health alerts? A cover up?
As for "verified" pls read "The National Autism Association tries and fails to defend Andrew Wakefield’s fraud" @ LeftBrain RightBrain.
""Independent" the Wakefield way (really something for the fail blog)" @ Just The Vax
"The Daily Mail (UK) continuing sorry contribution to fear, uncertainty, doubt, and vaccine fears" @ I speak of dreams.
*You* need to verify his results, and explain condemnation.
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
@firesnakepodcast
there is a one hour film google "selective hearing brian deer and the GMC"
which plainly lays out all the issues with Deer first laying the complaint and then reporting on it .
GoldenHawkprojects 1 year ago
@GoldenHawkprojects I shall chase that film up. Cheers.
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago
The BMJ has form for knowingly publishing lies. It published a huge pack of lies in an "obituary" of Prof David Horrobin which produced about 100 complaints and it was ordered to retract and was not sued only because it had thoughtfully waited till the victim had just died so his widow and family had no legal recourse. The BMJ is full of pharma ads and is the trade union rag of the BMA.
robincla 1 year ago
Not having any interest in Autism at all. I would never trust the BMJ. They are pathetic.
edittubev 1 year ago
Brian Deer is a hero for his work in exposing Wakefield as the criminal he is. That was a superb interview, which was enhanced by including the clip of the desperate straw-clutching Wakefield.
Defending the indefensible by casting aspersions about his detractors is all Wakefield and his dwindling band of supporters have left but nobody's listening any more.
skepticat1 1 year ago 4
sure you can always trust big pharmas word that vaccines are safe. how does the medical system explain a kid that is seemingly normal before they get a vaccine ;then after they get say somthing like a h1n1 vaccine they come down with autism thats a pretty big coincidence to me, on most of the mainstream media chanels they havnt talked very much about side effects such as Somthing called (guilliane barre syndrome) or GBS look it up big pharma is not being honest
thomas242007 1 year ago
@thomas242007
It may seem a "pretty big coincidence" to you but it isn't. If a vaccine is given at the same stage of development that the first symptoms of autism normally appear, it is understandable that distressed parents may attribute the development of the condition to the vaccine. (Google 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'). That is why it is important to study the effects of the vaccine population wide and not just rely on individual anecdotes ad not rely on how things "seem" to you.
skepticat1 1 year ago
@skepticat1 here in my state a woman took her kid in to get the h1n1 vaccine at the peak of the "epidemic" and then shortly after that the kids arms and legs turned black and had to be amputated and your telling me that that had nothing to do with the vaccines?
thomas242007 1 year ago
@thomas242007
No I'm not telling you anything other than not to rely on what "seems" to be. A lot of people were taken in by what "seemed" to be a link between the MMR jab and autism. But the overwhelming weight of evidence now available to us has demonstrated that this link is non-existent.
skepticat1 1 year ago
@skepticat1 you go right ahead and get the shots the goverment tells you to get because im not going to ill take my chances
thomas242007 1 year ago
@thomas242007
The reason my children, who are now fit, healthy adults, got all the jabs they were supposed to is that too many children of my generation died or were left permanently disabled by infectious diseases. Thanks to Wakefield and the idiots of the anti-vax movement, we're now seeing a resurgence of those diseases. It's disgraceful that children in developed countries should die of them but they are. Everyone who campaigns against vaccines has blood on their hands.
skepticat1 1 year ago 6
@skepticat1 thats all well and good, but i personally dont appreciate people in the vaccine industry trying to spike trick into taking the h1n1 shot by slipping it into the seasonal flu vaccine, and they said that people who get the seasonal flu shot will probally get the h1n1 to because its in there they said this. and if they spike the seasonal flu vaccine with the h1n1 what other vaccinations are they also spiking and with what? if they werent totally honest about this what else are theyupto
thomas242007 1 year ago
@thomas242007 The doctor has had his reputation and career utterly destroyed. If he was indeed defamed by all of these forces he should file a libel suit. Hmmm, wonder why he isn't.
mongobobo 1 year ago
@mongobobo The absence of suing for libel does not prove guilt. The Big Pharma hiding behind Deer have gigantic resources with which to beat any challenge, and are utterly unscrupulous. Any judge ruling against Deer would be forever more in fear of his life. And W discontinued the previous libel action because he wanted to have it reasonably postponed till after he was bogged down in the GMC corrupt trial.
robincla 1 year ago
@robincla Well, if you believe, as clearly you do, that there is some secret global cabal that wants to see Andrew Wakefield destroyed and will stop at nothing, even assassinating Judges, then I guess you'd have a point.
mongobobo 1 year ago
@mongobobo A "?SECRET? global cabal"? There's been a huge global conspiracy by big pharma for decades, just not quite as secret as you suggest. There's been tons of proof of their extensive abuses, just they don't get headlined in the BMJ or other capitalism-dominated media, for non hi-tech reasons you might just about be able to guess. If you have internet access then you have the opportunity, unlike millions, to learn the other side of this vast propaganda screen. Continued.....
robincla 1 year ago
@robincla Just a hint, see Deer's youtube "reply" to the "Wakefield in his own words" vid, note Deer has disabled comments, typical of the fascists who hide behind such barriers, insisting on only talking down to their audience, as indeed befits authoritarian fascists. In my experience honest people welcome discussion and challenge, rather than shelter behind disabling it. I notice you haven't responded to my points above about Deer and the BMJ - now why could that be....
robincla 1 year ago
@skepticat1
Wakefield has never told ppl not to get vaccinated. He is pro-vaccine.
You need to read his work before you make dumb statements.
Kinghercules 1 year ago
@Kinghercules
Oh please! It was Wakefield who started the MMR scare with his crappy discredited paper. This is a well-documented piece of history so don't call me 'dumb' for pointing it out.
I am more than familiar with everything Wakefield has said . Of course Wakefield isn't anti-vaccine - he had a patent for one he intended to produce himself, which he hoped would make him even richer.
Seems like you're the one who needs to do some reading.
skepticat1 1 year ago
@thomas242007 I blame Big Wiggle and Big Dinosaur. Kids develop normally until they start dancing and singing along to The Wiggles. Do you know how many pollutants, heavy metals, alloys, plastics, ebil chemicals and toxins go into making CD's and DVD's??? Or the ink in the pretty pictures?
And what parent would pump those decibels into a developing brain. Children need to develop their hearing naturally. Wind, birdies, babbling brooks, farting and soothing voices.
The Wiggles cause autism FTW!!!
firesnakepodcast 1 year ago