CC2009 Preamble Presentation

[jchalmers97]

(3rd of 3) So cut the crap, Newtguy, quit trying to impress yourself with your intellect. Either you support individual freedom or you support the growth of government. You can't have it both ways.

[jchalmers97]

Until now, Americans have viewed the government as too big and powerful to stop from violating the Constitution, to keep them from perverting it solely to suit their own agendas. Not to mention the fact that Americans have also been incredibly lazy. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. The bottom line is, do you cherish your freedom and liberty or don't you? Is it worth defending or not? The Constitution clearly grants us freedom from tyranny, yet it has become a reality.

[jchalmers97]

@newtguy - you are making things much too complicated. Maybe if you approached it from the standpoint of living in a FREE nation, where the Constitution in its entirety is observed, acknowledged and obeyed by federal and local governments, then maybe you would understand the spirit in which it was written. As government grows like a shmuck on welfare eating bonbons all day, our liberties have been stripped from us while we've sat by and watched it happen.

[newgtguy]

You are not a part to the compact known as the Constitution unless you are related to someone who signed it. Taking back something which is not yours is a crime.

This is why these patriot idiots all end up in jail.

The only choice you have is whether you participate in this system or go make your own.

You can't change a system you don't own!

[912patriotJW]

@newgtguy That is the most idiotic argument I have ever heard. Completely, factually incorrect.

[newgtguy]

We the People for ourselves and our Posterity = those who signed it, and those who are related to them.

This is why judges say "If you bring up the Constitution one more time, I'm holding you in contempt."

The Constitution creates two political classes - the People (those who make the rules), and the citizens (those who follow the rules with consent).

The 13th Amendment outlaws slavery, the 14 Amendment created voluntary servitude.

Don't rely on what you've been taught. Read, think!

[912patriotJW]

@newgtguy HAHAHAHA you are an idiot.

"to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Read, think!

[newgtguy]

First, calling me an idiot is juvenile. Welcome to an adult conversation.

Second, quoting the Declaration of Independence in a discussion about the Constitution makes no sense.

The DOI is a great document which discusses inalienable rights with statements like "ALL men are created equal." Very inclusive!

Statements like "WE the people" and "OURSELVES and OUR posterity" are very exclusive.

This is why Patrick Henry said "I smell a Rat" when he read the Constitution.

[newgtguy]

You do know that only 6 people signed both the DOI and the Constitution. There was huge debate as to the real nature of the Constitution. Read the Anti-federalist papers.

Ever wonder way the Bill of Rights are AMENDMENTS???

So you are telling me the original composers of the Constitution forgot things like Free Speech and Free Religion and they had to be added later by Amendment?

Also, read the original 30+ proposed amendments and you will see how they were twisted into the first 10.

[newgtguy]

If you are interested I have a site which has all this information which I'd be happy to send you via personal message.

Have a nice day.

[newgtguy]

One last thing, if you are really interested in knowing the truth (most patriot people are not), I would suggest buying a copy of Black's Law Dictionary. I have the 3rd and 8th editions.

Look up the words "Constitution", "Person", and "Citizen"

You might be surprised at how obvious the deception is.

Remember, just because a lie is big doesn't mean it's not a lie.

The ultimate ignorance is the denial of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate.

[912patriotJW]

@newgtguy Paine wrote that Government even in its best state is but a necessary evil. Washington predicted that cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men would do anything to subvert the Power of the People, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government. and Jefferson wrote that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing.

[912patriotJW]

@newgtguy So what's your plan? You say the only choice you have is whether you participate in this system or go make your own. I disagree. The system is completely ignored. But seriously, sounds like you think you have the answer, so lets hear it. Have you READ the articles of freedom? Seems like you are ready to criticize something that you know very little about, which would fit your own definition of ignorance.

[Kingery4President]

When the storms destroy your house, do you leave it like it is?

I'll BET that you repair small damage, and take down to rebuild massive damage.

Folks, unless I'm dreaming, we have MASSIVE damage in our government.

IT IS NOW time to take down and rebuild our government.

Respectfully,

Daniel Kingery

[Zkrazy44]

Wait... I'm thoroughly confused. You are aware, I am sure, that stating facts and specific instances for everything you proport is required to sustain your argument, right? "There is tyranny", and "we need our constitution back", well those are pretty charged statements, but you never told us what the tyranny does, how it hurts, or who exactly is exacting this tyranny and why. I'm also confused at "lost our constitutional rule of law." I'm a constitutional lawyer, its the same as it ever was.

[912patriotJW]

If you're a "constitutional lawyer" then you know exactly how our government ignores the constitution at nearly every turn. If 150 average men and women could figure it all out, then certainly you can as well.

And I didn't say "we need our constitution back", it's there in writing and in audio also. For a "lawyer" your listening skills are pretty poor. I said we need to RESTORE constitutional law; e.g. our government needs to start adhering to this document.

[xfahctor]

"I'm a constitutional lawyer" I simply told him/her that that was nothing to brag about. Constitutional adherence started going south the day congress started bringing in lawyers to tell them what it said. If you need a lawyer to tell you whether or not a piece of legislation is constitutional, then it most likely ISN'T.

[912patriotJW]

As for the specifics, this is only the preamble to the complete document. All the details will be made public there. Until then, put your constitutional law degree back in the cracker jack box you found it in...

[rdickerhoof]

Wow. As a lawyer, you have a vested monetary interest in making sure the money mill of litigation built on tyrranical central control remains in place. You may have a good credit rating but your credibility card has been declined. :)

[xfahctor]

"I'm a constitutional lawyer"

Thats not something to brag about. Sorry, you don't need to be a lawyer to interpret the constitution. The myth that to interpret it requires a law degree or even anything above a highschool education is a major part of the problems this country has today.

[tbroofer]

sure would be nice! but a fat chance!!

[912patriotJW]

And if you are resigned to that reality, that is your future.

[rdickerhoof]

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to try and make a difference? It's kinda awesome. You should try it.

[SOCALPRIDE]

Stand proud my fellow Americans, As we have become a proud people. We will not fail.....

[obaidkarki]

Sorry I cant give you less than

S E V E N S T A R S

Come to Dubai for Coffee,Cookies & Aphrodis Camel Milk

Adieu

Hepcat

יברך אותך השם תּוֹדָה רַבָּה עביד כארכי

الأخطل عبيد كركي

Obaid Karki

[rmcc0002]

you are a great man, jeff.  ill never forget your booming voice..

ryan

[a211pc]

Fantastic...Outstanding job... count on me and my close friends ... we are ready for a government based on the U S Constitution and our founding principles.

I have forwarded it to many ppl ...... I am completely fed up with what has happened to our America... and in the defense of freedom and liberty I as others have said ...we are ready for this effort.

[kokodokodo]

A groundswell of Americans beyond the initial 15 million needed to create a critical mass. A mass majority of Americans aligned with their hearts and minds as to the meaning and the soundness of these words. Get off your knees Americans! You are each sovereign and fully responsible for your own unique life. Do not allow another to manipulate and control your soul's voice through manufactured consent. Join will us as we peacefully take back our Sovereignty and restore the spirit and the law!

[viamidi]

Timeless!

[amazevedo1]

This is awesome; I just posted it to my Facebook and Twitter! God Bless America!

[1952Bebe]

I am forwarding this to family and friends! Awesome!

[33ItHappens]

Great Job Jeff, I sent it several places!

[x5191]

Excellent presentation and wonderful educational material!!

[x5191]

Excellent presentatrion!!