When you've been to Heaven like me and come back to tell the tale, and have seen Jesus upon a throne in mid-air, then you have no doubt He exists. But, for those who have not seen Him physically as I have done, just take a look at the unbelievers in these comment pages. See how they write. They use sloppy English with words like "lulz", they are vicious, foul, sex-obsessed maniacs. Everything true Christians are the opposite of. They try to debunk Jesus, but their actions do the opposite.
A question to Christians.. If Jesus appeared before you and lifted up his robe shoving his hairy ass in your face and he asked you to finger it.. would you?
The proof that many historical records are forged is that if the name "Jesus" is used in the historical account or text then it is definitely a forgery as the name Jesus is a transliteration of the true name "Yehoshua" the name Jesus was transliterated many 100's of years later, so any historian referencing this version of the name in their account is a clear forgery.
Got to the first piece of evidence (Tacitus)... noted his birth year... stopped watching your joke of a video. Tacitus was born decades after the supposed execution, making his account "hearsay". He heard of Jesus from Christians.
Sad really. Your God comes to earth to "save" you, yet makes absolutely no impression on any living poet, author, historian, or philosopher of his era.
Notice all the claims from historical literature never use the name Jesus only references to the Christ, because Jesus was not his real name. From the original Yeshu, it was translated to Greek into iesou and then the Greeks added an "s" on the end to make it iesous to make it masculine, it also appealed to them in uniting the pagans around 400 AD as iesous translates to Hail Zeus their pagan Greek God. Do any google search if you don't believe me.
@Dianarocks333 You want proff that he's real? People who followd Him have and still are being persecuted for this "non-existent" man. Not only did people die for Him. But the disciples (who were the only other people who could of started the religion) also died for Him. Throughout the Bible the disciples doubted (save Peter who probably doubted a little too) it wasn't until the ressurection that they actually beleived. What would cause people to die for Jesus. Jesus exists
The Christ was not called Jesus in his day, In fact he was never called Jesus by anyone of his followers. His real name used in that day was Yeshu, SO Christianity is not only using a false name as it's authority, claiming all manner of things in the false name Jesus, but also following an idol called Jesus and a false Christ? Yes Christus greek for Christ existed but he was not named Jesus. Christianity is full of antichrists, the ministers in your churches who lie and are sold out.
Jesus was just a human like you and me, he was no different. No better. You can't die for another mans "sins", one right doesn't undo a wrong. And I believe there's only one creator. When we die we will all answer to it.
Well Jesus IS the Creator. Being the Messiah who was prophesied for HUNDREDS of years. Jesus was G-d Almighty in the flesh, and He is alive for evermore, defeating death, and saving humanity.
He always spoke in His own divine authority. He never said, "Thus saith the Lord..."; He said, "Verily, verily, I say unto u."
Never retracted anything, never guessed or spoke with uncertainty, never made revisions, never contradicted Himself, & never apologized for what He said. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall never pass away," (Matt. 24:25) hence elevating His words directly to the realm of Heaven.
@Eye2EyeIIIV You know what the bible is? A book made up by high heads back thousands of years ago to control people by the masses, Think about it, everything you can think of that questions anything can be answered by the "because I said so" mentality. People were easily fooled back then but not me.
Jesus could only be one of three things: the devil, crazy, or who he said he was: the son of God.
Can you prove he was crazy or a liar? If not, why don't you believe? ...or at least investigate a matter before condemning it with so much hate because hating Christianity is such a trendy thing to do these days.
- there's no evidence for his claims and hence no reason to hold them as true, hence rejecting his claims is the logical default until evidence is presented.
- whether he was evil, crazy or divine relates to the states that caused him to make the claims and is not information available to us when assessing the VALIDITY of his claims (although your welcome to try to prove otherwise.)
@types10000 Irrational is believing he didn't make these claims, which have stood the test of time.
You don't hold half of your historical beliefs to the degree of evidence you seek for Jesus' existence. It takes more faith to believe in atheism than to believe in Jesus, especially when speaking of morals, design, order, etc. None of those things have any solid meaning without an absolute with which to measure it against. Even an atheists idea of "logic" is opinion based on blind faith.
@YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva I don't hate Christianity, most Christians are really nice people. I can't prove anything on Jesus and neither can anyone for that matter. Were all in the same boat......but anyways, enjoy your life and have a good day. :)
WHAT? Use facts please!! Are you aware of all the other sun god's that were born of a virgin, performed miracles. were crucified and resurrected three days later? Just think a little.
@mtnboy37 There were no god or devine beings that existed before Jesus that were born of a virgin, were crucified and resurrected. None. All those storys are POST Christianity. For example...Mithra. Modern day stories say he was born of a virgin, however, all the ancient accounts say he was born of a rock. There is not a single example you can give me to prove your point.
the ignorance of christians such as you knows no bounds:
- the virgin birth is a part of catholic doctrine (not Christianity as a whole) and was added in later by church. Mythical figures resulting IMMACULATE CONCEPTION were a dime a dozen and pre-date jesus
"were crucified and resurrected"
- the amount of mythical figures dying and rising were also a dime a dozen and also pre-date jesus,
@types10000 All of Christianity accepts the virgin birth you ignorant fool. You can't give me a single example of immaculate conception prior to Christianity. In fact, no other religion believed in original sin, which means, it would have been impossible for any other religion to believe in it.
You also can't give me a single example of a figure dying and rising from the dead prior to Christianity. All those stories were added later to their mythology post Christianity.
@types10000 Buddha is a great example. *NONE* of the oldest accounts of Buddha mention anything about immaculate conception. None of them. Many modern day stories of Buddha might have something similar to immaculate conception, but those are modern versions of the story.
The other figures you mention, the same thing applies. Take Baal for example. The oldest accounts say nothing about him dying and rising from the dead. That is a modern edition to the story.
Also, i would point-out the fact that the bible was not compiled until ~300CE, meaning that any number of stories could have been added to it up until this point.
@types10000 The NT was complied long before 300 AD. You have been watching the Divinci Code. Besides, even if that were true (which it's not), some of the writtings of the NT date to 40 AD (about 8 years after Christ's death). That means there was virtually no time for stories to be added.
- no, Christianity was legalized until 313 and they hadnt formalized their beliefs until 325. During this period they decided on what documents would be included in the bible, meaning that any number of stories could have been added to it up until this point.
"CE"???? when I was growing up, it was always "BC" or "AD"
if you step back and look at the big picture, it's all nothing but mitigated bias to get G-d & Christian principles & values out of schools - and you haven't got to be an expert to wonder WHY the Columbine massacre or Katrina happened
"'CE'???? when I was growing up, it was always 'BC' or 'AD'"
- 'CE' means 'Common Era' and simply refers to the most frequently used calendar system (in our case the Gregorian Calendar), the designation itself has existed since 1708.
"it's all nothing but mitigated bias to get G-d & Christian principles & values out of schools"
- the only reason Christianity was in schools to begin with is because the backing of the church provided an affordable means of education.
- however the purpose of schools is to act as institutions of learning by providing the best knowledge available and the unsubstantiated claims of religion have no place there (be it public or private)
@types10000 How come the other mythical Jesus-like figures didn't change the world; why were they completely forgotten until the time of the Internet (where Christian-haters could dig them up in their futile effort to dismantle Christianity)?
Sounds like the one true God that he spoke on behalf of glorified his name above all others. Maybe that's why? Yet, I'm sure you "logical" atheists have some other cuckoo reason for this (i.e. the swiss cheese argument of "controlling people").
"How come the other mythical Jesus-like figures didn't change the world"
- sure they did, Buddha, Muhammad .etc if your asking why Christianity propagated so well then that relates back to how it was adopted as the official religion of Rome.
@types10000 Not one that you mentioned had a divine birth and resurrection.
The fact that you couldn't even name one (Dionysos or Mithras, for example) proves that they were forgotten, dug up only since the dawn of the Internet for the reason I mentioned earlier.
"Yet, I'm sure you 'logical' atheists have some other cuckoo reason for this"
- well it's success being due to events causing it to propagate is indeed much more logical than it propagating because it's true (ad populum fallacy)
This documentary is well made but still miss his main goal which is to prove that Jesus is an historic person. All demonstrations in this documentary rely on writing well after the death of Jesus. All you say about Tacitus is pure speculation, not facts. Again nothing oppose the fact that Jesus may have existed, but we don't have the historical facts to prove that he for sure existed and claiming the opposite is an intellectual dishonesty. To be frank your tone is too passionate to be honest
Hellllo mr idiot who make this film.There was no Crhist name.The name Crhist come from greek books who traslate Eshua to jesus .The name of jesus in israel book is Eshua the son of god Ely.Christ and jesus is a mitrslation and its that thing in that you believe.
Andreas Hierosolymitanus, 8th century archbishop of Crete,used a description of Jesus which he read in a version of Josephus extant at that time. Jesus, he said, was a dark-skinned hobbit-sized hunchback with a big nose, thinning hair, a patchy beard, and eyebrows that joined in the center in a monstrous fashion.
Tertullian wrote jc was disfigured, un-handsome with a unibrow. Butt ugly seems to be the indication from the early reports.
Every item of 'proof' this con artist presents is nothing more than hearsay. None of his sources were contemporaries of this jesus and hearsay is never admitted in any court as proof of anything. There was an abundance of famous authors/historians during the supposed lifetime of jesus yet not one of them bothered to write one word about him. Hearsay and five dollars will get you a cheap cup of Starbucks. Read the new book The Christ Scandal by Tony Bushby and get a clue.
@ThePrepnow1 If you look at any accedemic encyclopedia, they all accept Christ's life and death on the cross as a historical fact. The encyclopedias will mention contemporaries who did write about Christ.
You can deny any and all miricles assosiated to Him, but He did live, and that can't be debted.
@truthforchrist Name one contemporary who mentioned him and the name of their publication. You can't because none exist and you are a typical liar for jesus.Even the rotten church fathers fully admitted there was no proof outside the scriptures except for those who wrote of him using pure hearsay well after his death. Come back when you can put your money where your lying mouth is.
@ThePrepnow1 Well, I was hoping to have an adult conversation with you, but I can see that it will be impossible. I gave you an accedemic example, and all you could respond to it was "you lied".
This is my fault. I should have known better than to expect you to act like a mature adult. Oh well.
@truthforchrist Just because you claim that there are written works by contemporaries of jesus does not make it so. You offered no proof at all so once again we are back to hearsay. If you can produce such a document then you will be the first in over 2000 years to do so. All religions are manmade to control the masses. The religious nuts will waste their lives and die thinking theirs is the correct one. In the meantime the hate and killing will continue in the names of these demonic gods
@campbellnova I am speaking of CONTEMPORY PROOF. That means well know people whom we know lived during his life, there are NO reports from any of them. Since the religion of Islam was created by the RCC, of course their holy book mentions jesus. I highly suggest you research the creation of Islam by the vatican and try to learn how this world got into this mess. Islam came into existence hundreds of years after christianity so anything reported by them in their Koran is pure hearsay.
@alaric63 You should've turned it off when he said that this is a new view on the topic. Or at least when he said his material is from a religious website.
Tacitus called him "Christos", not his real name according to Scripture. Secondly he refers to Pilate with the wrong title. He was a prefect, not a procurator. Tacitus can not be trusted for verifying the existence of Jesus. He more than likely heard a story of Jesus from a Christian, not from government records. Josephus supposedly calls Jesus the Christ?? Doer of wonderful works??? Was resurrected??? If anything he's retelling a story from Christians, he didn't even believe it, didn't covert.
lol its funny how the only people to ever deny Jesus' existence, are those who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime. At uni i would sometimes have debates with atheists, and I remember if one of them ever said Jesus never existed, i wouldn't even try debating them, you know they are just going to be complete idiots who have no grasp on History whatsoever. Those who deny Jesus' existence only do so, to make themselves feel more comfortable with their atheism.
@sned10000 There is no corroborating evidence for his existence other than the "gospels", no Roman census records exist, no records of his sermons (other than the bible), and of course the good name of Christianity helps nothing at all.
@viletree One thing we do know for fact is that around 2,000 years ago a large number of Jewish people suddenly changed their religion to Christianity. Devoutly religious people don't just make up a new religion for no reason, something extraordinary started Christianity. If Jesus did not exist, what more plausible theory could you suggest to explain the start of Christianity and the motives behind writing the new Testament. Please provide evidence for your theory as well.
i cant believe these idiots actually have to question or debate if jesus existed. No he didnt exist??? or first of all his story didnt even originally come from the bible??? thus his name was not originally "Jesus" so from that view no jesus didnt exist then, he is now reffered in modern day as "jesus" but does he exist? YESS he doesnt only exist as one of the most significant historical figures but he exists as a figure of worship, a thought that resonates in your mind, a reference of opinion.
This is brilliant stuff. I have heard so many times that "there is more evidence to prove that Jesus exists than Caesar" but this puts some flesh on the bones as it were. Thanks. Please keep publishing this stuff in this way. Jesus loves you!
Making comments as I watch it.....1st Tacticus can not be credited on this subject because he was not quoting Roman records just the info he would have gotten from Christians in Rome itself. I know this because he makes as error in this statement. He says that he was put to death by Pontius Pilate, the procurator. The problem is that Pilate was not a procurator, he was a PREFECT. If he was referencing Roman records from that time he would have used the correct terminology.
Jesus was supposedly crucified in 30 ad how does Tacitus account for Jesus existence when he is not born until 55ace and dies 120 ace that would mean his information would be link to hearsay at best.. Although I can appreciate not using the bible to prove them bible but you used a website slanted towards religion called divine evidence. So you fell back to religious doctrine all over again.
@69Henti I been reading about this problem for years. Actually Tacitus could have consulted Roman records as it was often his practice. Tacitus also could have turned to his personal education. Tacitus didn't live too far from the time of the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. So was it JUSt hearsay? One can't be sure. Did Josephus mention Jesus? Most likely he did and his famous TF passage later suffered a slight "gloss/interpolation". See wwwdotjosephusdotorg
Its not that theres not enough evidence, theres TOO MUCH evidence proving the Bible, just like theres TOO MUCH evidence proving 9/11 was an inside job. Yet, sadly, most people believe what they WANT to believe.
@John48581 You made a typo you said "theres TOO MUCH evidence proving the Bible" I think you meant to much "not" proving the bible. Just the small things people mess up on destroy there whole point.
I am a Reenator. The best Proof is first hand proof: veryfiably relics, first hand accounts etc. Even thirty or fifty year are mor than enough for things to be thought being real which in fact were not. So with most accounts of jesus being written decades or centuries after his supposed lifetime, evidence base is quite shaky. I personally think, that Jesus lived some 2000 years ago, but the "evidence" for his deeds and whatnot are extremely shaky.
I'm afraid to even look at the commentary section because I just know I'll find some pathetic little worms shielded by internet who have nothing better to do than crap on other people's beliefs and ways of life. Anti-religious trolls should seriously consider getting a life.
I think using the term, 'Anti-Religious,' doesn't really work. I for one do not believe in Biblical text and I have my reasons but i'm not 'against' religion.
@Dodo251.....why be religious? why be controlled? If u want to praise your god, do u need someone to tell u how to do it? do they need 10% of your money? if your religious, then how smart are u, really!! how do u rationalize being controlled?
@3iiionem I love this 'control' crap. Nobody's controlling me; I am willingly being a part of the Church because I like it and see nothing wrong with it. So do most Catholics. And if I ever decide to leave the Church, I'm free to do so. There is no control over anyone, there is no conspiracy. And yes, we do need someone to tell us how to do it, otherwise everyone starts interpreting history according to his own liking and completely misunderstand everything. Like protestants do.
@Dodo251.....why r u a willing participant of the church? what ever your attraction is, doesn't mean it's righteous. your mind, and your way of life is being controlled. u believe what someone else told u. u believe a story, and don't care to examine it's righteousness. religion is corrupt, period. how condescending r u when u speak of a protestant negatively? Their human, like u. Damn, what is the church teaching u? this religious crap is a joke already, wake up world.
@3iiionem Yet another typically intolerant (and utterly illiterate) atheist scum who has no life of his own so he can't keep out of other people's business. I believe because I choose to believe; it's none of your goddamn business. Atheism isn't corrupt? Stalin, Tzetung, Kim Jong Ill ring a bell, you ignoramus? You believe in nothingness, I believe in God. Now leave me the fuck alone and go preach to someone who's actually interested in your crap.
@Dodo251..why I gotta be atheist scum? must u be an ass? I thought u was god like?!! hmm' I guess your true colors are showing now. Again, I wonder what your church is teaching u? Much rather be such, then be lead astray by a house of false prophets. I' m just cognizant of the bullshit that's meant to control us. look at all the hypocrisy surrounding all religions. Especially the catholic church. Working with Hitler, proven, no? lol, I'll leave u alone, but do your homework, look pass the bible.
@Dodo251 You spoke to 3iiionem in a very vulgar manner calling him “scum, saying this was none of his g*dd*amn business and to leave you the f*ck alone”. While I do not support 3iiionem negative views of Christianity, I thought it appropriate to mention we as Christians are meant to speak to others in opposition of our beliefs with gentleness/meekness/mildness/modesty, patience & humility/self-restraint (1 Peter 3:15-16; 2 Timothy 2:24-27),
@Dodo251 (cont I...) and to live as peaceably with others as much depends on us (Romans 12:18) so we do not turn them away further away from Christianity and give them lack of reason to see the compassion which is derived from our faith in hopes that one day it will help them repent and become faithful themselves. I have strived and hope myself that I expressed my opinions and statements in a manner suitable for a Christian as well.
@Dodo251 (cont II..) I have compared every Scripture reference I have given with the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible and the Catholic Public Domain Version Bible and it appears to coincide with the Scripture translations I use myself. With all this being said, I pray God leads us both into the truth as he would have us and that we both hear “Well done, good and faithful servant” (Matt 25:23) when the time comes.
@3iiionem I just wanted to apologize (regardless of the fact that I do not agree with your opposition to Christianity as I am a Christian myself) for the vulgarity that was used against you by a proclaiming Christian. I cannot apologize for my faith but I believe one should not attack someone in such a hostile manner as you were while expressing beliefs. I wanted to leave you with some Scriptures references where...
@3iiionem (cont 1...) the Bible instructs Christians not to behave in such manner but to actually act the opposite. I do this so you are not left thinking all proclaiming Christians are (or should be) so hostile. *1 Peter 3:15* 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; (NKJV)
@3iiionem (cont 2…) *2 Timothy 2:24-25* 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, (NKJV) *Romans 12:18* 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. (NKJV)
@AbramSailor79...I agree. I am a very peaceful person, and respect my fellow man. but quotes from the bible lends nothing. There all common sense quotes, really. it's just a book, a story, re-written over and over, modified, deleted, altered, adjusted, etc.. to maintain a control over u. the book says this, lol? how do u know what jesus said, or what god said.... did either one of them come to u and say it themselves? or r u just quoting what someone wrote, and they said he said it?!! lol
@AbramSailor79...question? if we lived during the time of jesus, and did not know of him, but knew of other gods, what r we to do, Convert? How do u convince me? something of this importance should come innately, don't u think? If his father was the creator of everything, how could jesus convince the whole world population? If I am the creator of a people, they will know ME", period. I'm not sending messengers...wtf? how does that make any sense?
@AbramSailor79....I mean if one doesn't believe in your god, any god, jesus or whatever they put in the bible, then is he condemned? if my creator isn't guiding me "HIMSELF", then I'm subject to any and all bullshit, right? then how could u hold one accountable for not knowing? Damn, how could anyone know what to believe anyways!! lol now I'm going to this place called hell because i didn't follow what the christians say or what the bible say. huh'...really? scare tactics for the ignorant
@3iiionem I did not post comments to you in an effort to argumentative, quite the contrary. I posted to you b/c it appeared shameful the way the pervious person was being so volatile towards you. I merely posted Scripture reference from the Bible that tell Christians to actually do the opposite so you wouldn’t think I was ignorant or Scripture or just making it up (regardless if they appear to be “common sense quotes” as you put it).
@3iiionem & yes, I believe those quotes are common sense as I believe God has given man common sense & a preexisting moral code, but some people choose to ignore &/or reject it for whatever reasons they have. You asked: “how do u know what jesus said, or what god said”: I believe God has preserved His Word for us in the Bible regardless of the motivation, ignorance or circumstance that lead to their preservation.
@3iiionem You asked: “if we lived during the time of jesus, and did not know of him… what r we to do..? something of this importance should come innately, don't u think?” : I do believe God draws everyone to Him in one way or another & has indeed done so “innately” in our world but some choose to ignore &/or reject it as I mentioned before about with God giving man common sense & a preexisting moral code.
@3iiionem You stated: “If I am the creator of a people, they will know ME", period. I'm not sending messengers”: I believe Jesus is actually a manifestation of God in the flesh who died for man & that God gives man enough “innate” recognitions of Himself to the world, & again… allows us to reject or dismiss them (including His messengers) just as I have been describing throughout these comments.
@3iiionem You asked: “if my creator isn't guiding me "HIMSELF", then I'm subject to any and all bullsh*t, right? then how could u hold one accountable for not knowing…how could anyone know what to believe anyways!”: Again, as throughout these comments, I believe God gives ample recognition of Himself & He is guiding (not forcing) everyone, but He gives man the ability to dismiss His guidance (I’m not trying to sound like a broken record (which I probably do),
@3iiionem I truly believe the recognition of these topics & man having the ability to dismiss these recognitions applies to each comment/question placed here). Not that I expect you to take me seriously, but I believe I have experienced & acknowledged God’s “guidance” for me outside of the Bible which has lead me to believe the Bible.
@AbramSailor79..often u said u believe" why do u believe what u believe without proof, and your own thorough investigation? Doesn't seem like you've thoroughly examined this outside a religious view. Like most people wrapped up in religion, they go by the book, and that's not smart at all. Does it make logical sense to have faith, but not question it's truths? the bible is literally riddled with contradictions, I'm sure u know this. and that should be eye opening enough to start questioning.
@AbramSailor79..god did not give us all common sense, nor a pre-existing moral code. your morals comes from your surroundings first. hell, just look at the mayans, who believed in human sacrifices, or the many tribes in the amazon, that believe in canabalisism...guess god missed them. And why would our creator play guessing games with us? I'm sure god would want us to know the spirit, without guessing which man made religion is correct. I'm sure god isn't happy with all of the misrepresentation!
@AbramSailor79.. Let's think common sense wise: why would jesus be a manifestation of god? why do U" believe this? this is totally unnecessary since god can be anything, why pick to be a human from birth, in such an isolated area, and walk around preaching to people what the spirit is? Is this productive? It makes no sense, what so ever. Is the bible making god out to be some kind of idiot? We should know our creator innately, never questioning the spirit.(thus this would make religions obsolete
@AbramSailor79..in the first place ;) This is common sense, right? why put it in a book? so man can distort the real meaning, and alter it to his own political means?....sounds dead on to me. u think god would sit idly by while this goes on for centuries....ask ur self. That book does not come from a higher spirit, u must know this. How dare it be titled Holy? hah' lmao, there's nothing holy about that book. The bible is totally man made, for selfish, political motives....
@AbramSailor79.. It's right there in your face!! since this story is about the hebrews, i'm sure it was intended for them. I mean, the so called original books were in hebrew right? why would god only allow a certain type of people to know of the spirit? I'm sure god would want all of man to know it, since we all have to follow it or will burn in hell!! lol geez, this is just ridiculous...i'm sure u would agree. Religion is useless, nothing but social groups, that get's tax breaks.....
@3iiionem I’ve done a “thorough” investigation (a more thorough investigation than most I dare say), & if you read my comments “thoroughly”, I also said I have reasons outside the Bible to believe in Christianity. I question truths, including Biblical truths all the time. & after “thoroughly” researching many supposed “contradictions” in the Bible, I find possible if not outright obvious reasons that they are not indeed contradictions.
@3iiionem Ok, let’s look at the Mayans & Amazons… I said man can choose to dismiss our God given common sense & moral codes. God is not playing guessing games, & God calls everyone to know the Truth, & all we have to do is allow ourselves to hear it instead of ignore it, that’s how you know which religion is correct.
Yeah, I’m sure God isn’t happy with a lot of His misrepresentation b/c people do twist His message around to benefit themselves & those people are dismissing what God would have them truly do. I see no problem with God manifesting in the form of Jesus in the area He chose. He chose to be a man to show He has known the life a man. So we can know He empathizes with us if we did not think He did previously.
@3iiionem I say again we have the ability to know our God “innately” but He gives us the choice to dismiss Him. The old cliché: we would just be robots without freewill… I’ve already gone over this in my previous posts. God put His Word in a book so man can read it, “common sense”… as simple as that. If God has the ability to create the universe He most certainly has the power to preserve His Word in a book regardless of man’s motivation, ignorance or circumstance as I have already said.
@3iiionem There’s no problem with the Scripture being in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. God is just with the people who have not had the opportunity to read/believe His Word (as I already said) in the Old Covenant times as well as the New Covenant times (again as I have already said in previous posts). I stopped using the word believe b/c that now seems to offend you. I used the word believe previously out of respect for the right of your own beliefs.
@3iiionem Believe is just my way of saying: “from my point of view” while being respectful of the right to “your point of view”. I posted to you originally out of concern, respect, kindness & Love (as I still do) b/c you were being treated with disrespect by another person & I was apologizing for their behavior & it now appears you are in turn just disrespecting me. I continue to reply to you in a non-volatile manner.
@3iiionem You however seem it appropriate to disrespect my statements while I have shown ample respect for yours & you seem to only want to attack me where I was only trying to defend you. Again, I wish you the best. I do not wish you any ill will; however, at this point I see no further use for our discussion as it is going nowhere that I am able to discern. It’s probably best that we end our conversation at this time.
@3iiionem I also believe those people who have never had a chance to hear/believe of how Jesus died for our sins & become faithful unto salvation, He will be just with them. All this being said, I have not provided Scripture references for my beliefs here as you appeared to be adverse to me posting them previously. However if you wish for me to give the Scripture references for the information I have given, I will be happy to provide them for you if asked.
@3iiionem Thank you for taking the time to read my comments. & again, I’m not posting this information to argue & I have no right keep you from your own beliefs (if it were even possible). I’m simply trying share my beliefs in reply to your questions & observations. I do indeed wish you the best life has to offer. Also, I'll send this message to you inbox in it's entirety since it can be troubelsome to follow a messaage on here broken into so many different comments.
@Dodo251 You stated: “we do need someone to tell us how to do it, otherwise everyone starts interpreting history according to his own liking and completely misunderstand everything. Like protestants do.” I am Christian however I am not Catholic (and don’t claim to be even a protestant but anyone who is not an Orthodox Christian is usually labeled as such). I have reason to believe in Christianity but no reason to believe (after careful consideration) that Catholicism is the one true Church
@AbramSailor79 You have no reason to believe in Catholicism, yet it were Catholic scholars and Church fathers who have given you the Bible which you're holding in your hands. The catholic church composed it and hence knows how to interpret it properly. That's why there are approximately 40000 protestant denominations (many of them in favour of abortion!) and only one proper Christ's Church. Every town seems to interpret the Bible in its own way and that's when chaos and ignorance occur.
@Dodo251 No, I don’t have reason to believe Catholicism is the one true church, nor do I have sufficient reason to believe that Catholicism today is the same Christian organization which canonized the bible. Even if the Catholic Church today was the same organization that canonized the bible (or if it was another organization that was ignorant or unsavory),
@Dodo251 (cont… 1) I believe God has set things into motion to give us the Scriptures He intends us to have regardless of the motivation, ignorance or circumstance that brought them about. God has used this method for other reasons before(Ps 12:6-7; Ps 33:11; Isa 40:8; Isa 55:11; Matt 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33). For example God used Judas’ betrayal (Judas’ choosing to do so himself) to bring about the sacrifice of Christ so we may have salvation.
@Dodo251 (cont... 2) The Bible instructs us to see if what is being taught is correct (Acts 17:11; 1 Thes 5:21; 2 Tim 2:15) not to just go by what someone says regardless of their affiliation. I have used this instruction (with prayer & study, asking for God’s, Christ’s & the Holy Spirit’s help) & have come to the conclusion Catholicism is not the one true church (nor is any other labeled Christian organization (even ones who claim they are not labeled).
@Dodo251 (cont... 3) However, this being said I don’t think anyone one person or group is capable of getting everything 100% right. I believe the one true Church is the spiritual body made up of all faithful Christians (Rom 12:3-5; 1 Cor 12:12-27; Col 1:18). If I have been mistaken in my conclusion, I pray God forgive me.
@Dodo251 (cont 1...) or that the Pope has any more authority over Christian doctrine than any faithful Christian. I believe Jesus is my only Mediator between myself and God (1 Timothy 2:5) and the Holy Spirit is to help Christians to discern truth (Romans 8:14). However, I have no right keep you from your beliefs (if it were even possible). I am in no position to judge your conclusions (Romans 14:4-5)...
@Dodo251 (cont 2...) but would only like to express my own while admitting I am not perfect in anyway nor do I believe anyone else is including their interpretation of Scriptures though I understand Scripture is of no private interpretation (2 Pet 1:20) and we are to strive to understand the true meaning of Scripture with our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:10) with the help of Christ and the Holy Spirit (1 Timothy 2:5; Romans 8:14).
FAIL:Contemporary= Alive AT THE SAME TIME If I were to tell you about Ben Franklin, would you assume I knew him?
Tacitus wrate about people that believed in Jesus well after the reported resurection. This proves there were sects of early christians, not Jesus.
Lucian Wrote in the second century and was mocking the beliefs of early christians much like a stand up commic. He certainly did not say Jesus existed, hence the sarcasm. I do understand where he was coming from.
this is just not a factual nor honest presentation. Fundamentally, there is little or no evidence that Jesus existed. Accouts after the creation of Christianity are not really valid. I am getting to hate this kind of video on youtube. Watch proper historical videos. This is a shot in the dark, but I am guessing the author of the video is a christian.
@underdonkey5 you have to take into consideration that he lived 2,000 years ago, there is no physical evidence of my great great grandmother but she existed
I think if you tried hard you would actually be able to find evidence of your great great grandmother. Its likely there would be birth records; and despite this, absence of evidence is not proof. My main problem with this video is that its biased. We can't know if Jesus existed or not, but there are events in the gospels that should have been recorded by historians that weren't (e.g. the census which caused Jesus and Mary to have to travel to Bethlehem), suggesting falsification.
@underdonkey5 who's to say we just haven't found that historian or evidence yet archaeologist are uncovering alot of stuff to support the story of the gospels..... what, did u actually expect every famous historian to write down every single detail of everything that happened Shroud of Turin seems like proof even though the carbon dating controversies but most skeptics never mention that the turin caught on fire which would most likely have altered an already not 100% dating measurement
there was a russian scientist (Kouznetsov) who claimed that carbon dating could be affected by heat, but he was proven wrong. He also claimed evolution wasn't real; and he also happened to be a Christian. A census in which people had to return to their birth place would have been a major event, and should have been recorded somewhere. I would doubt any historic evidence about Jesus given by Christians since they are not neutral or unbiased.
@underdonkey5 not the heat aspect of the fire fire but the compund aspect of it why would i think the heat from the fire would affect it................. they didn't test the shroud as a hole but they cut off one part now if they did the same thing to fossils what do you think would happen? But good luck on your search there is evidence but men has the tendency not to believe unless jesus comes down and cooks them breakfast (Sarcasm) but i can't blame you
wasn't Tacitus born like 20 years after jesus was crucified? what puts him in a position to confirm his execution, and lucian was born like a century later and same for almost every1 else, thats the main problem with jesus, theres little to none confirmation about him, from his own time. Personally i think jesus did exist but thats mainly an assumption, i dont have much hard evidence for it, but still was he gods son?
@MovieFusionist you do know he lived 2,000 years ago but the bible is evidence but you will just say it's a book so there is other evidence but you choose to ignore it
@ceaser8999 ...i know what is and what isn't as well as what could be, i'm not ignoring anything... its you who seems to be ignoring things just to convince himself, i'm the one being skeptic here, whats the evidence you speak of? what the bible says? the bible also says Joshua killed thousands of Egyptians in the city of Jericho , which is historically proven to be a lie. Sorry for not trusting the bible 100%, as for the "other" evidence, i said what i had on the post above.
I don't know if Jesus is God in the flesh. If so Jesus would be omniscient. By His own admission that was not the case. He doesn't know all that the Father knows. He said why call me good? Only God is good. Then he says the Father and I are one. I am before Abraham. Then he says, of myself I can do nothing. Does anyone else see the dichotomy?
@libomann Well, I lost my religion but I didn't lose my God. I never thought God was contingent on the bible, and I still don't. I see the reflection of God in love and kindness, not doctrine and dogma. All I see with doctrine and dogma is bitter debate. As Gandhi said, I like your Christ but why are your Christians so unchrist like? :o)
fuck you all! This ain't better than a Phater Judas Priest song! Don't waste your time with fags like this! Enter to judas priest cite and you will know the truth!
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The majority of historians and scholars believe and conclude Jesus Christ's existence. No one, at least of high intelligence such as professional historians and scholars, say Jesus never existed. To conclude he never existed or that he is a myth would take evidence for that case. At best, a handful of men are skeptical and that is the farthest it goes. Watch my YouTube video "Logical Reasoning Part 1"
First, the existence of a historical Jesus is widely debated among historians with the greatest majority agreeing that Jesus was a mythical, not an actual historical figure. Second, even if he existed would make no difference in the lies that is perpetuated by the Christian church. You have to prove that there is a God, that Jesus was the son of God along with all the miracles and resurrection stories on which Christianity hinges. You can't get an is from an ought. It is a stupid argument.
@800mEric , Christianity as a whole pivots on the very idea that Jesus was Christ, the son of God. You can try to prove that there was a historical figure called Jesus (and good luck even with that), but unless you can prove that there is a God and that a historical figure called Jesus was the son of that God, the whole argument is useless.
@800mEric, Ohh, conjecture eh? Another fancy word. Unfortunately for you, fancy words will not add any value to an argument that is based on psychosis, neurosis and delusion. Religious and superstitious beliefs are a self-inflicted, self-imposed mental illness. 85% of our planet suffers from it. Less than the percentage (98%) of Christians who never actually read the holy book of fairy tales a.k.a. the bible - the reason why Christianity is still around.
Why historians? There is no proof for the existence of the Jesus in the Christian and Muslim books. No memorabilia, no woodwork, no papers. So we depend on evidence. The Bibles themselves are unreliable for various reasons I am sure you are aware of. We have no inscriptions, numismatic or other evidence. That leaves historical accounts. There is none. We are down to circumstantial evidence: geophysical anomalies, infanticides, etc. None.
Spiritual salvation is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; & that not of yourselves,it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9.
God says that if you deny Him, He will deny you. He also says that mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. Godbless
His introductory statement is correct: there is no evidence for the existence of the Jesus as described in the Christian Bible and the Koran.
There were many preachers with a name that we call Jesus today walking around in those days. But none with the extreme traits attributed by the Bible.
The only historian actually using the name Jesus was Josephus. 69 times the last time I counted. But they are different men with a name of Jesus. Except in the TF, which is a fake, probably by Eusebius.
When you've been to Heaven like me and come back to tell the tale, and have seen Jesus upon a throne in mid-air, then you have no doubt He exists. But, for those who have not seen Him physically as I have done, just take a look at the unbelievers in these comment pages. See how they write. They use sloppy English with words like "lulz", they are vicious, foul, sex-obsessed maniacs. Everything true Christians are the opposite of. They try to debunk Jesus, but their actions do the opposite.
tieppol 1 day ago
A question to Christians.. If Jesus appeared before you and lifted up his robe shoving his hairy ass in your face and he asked you to finger it.. would you?
NewtGingrich2o12 4 days ago
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tieppol 1 day ago
@Mcgif21 Your proof is in the Bible? Lulz
guicho0o 6 days ago
The proof that many historical records are forged is that if the name "Jesus" is used in the historical account or text then it is definitely a forgery as the name Jesus is a transliteration of the true name "Yehoshua" the name Jesus was transliterated many 100's of years later, so any historian referencing this version of the name in their account is a clear forgery.
allinall777 3 weeks ago
Got to the first piece of evidence (Tacitus)... noted his birth year... stopped watching your joke of a video. Tacitus was born decades after the supposed execution, making his account "hearsay". He heard of Jesus from Christians.
Sad really. Your God comes to earth to "save" you, yet makes absolutely no impression on any living poet, author, historian, or philosopher of his era.
sfphunter 1 month ago
Notice all the claims from historical literature never use the name Jesus only references to the Christ, because Jesus was not his real name. From the original Yeshu, it was translated to Greek into iesou and then the Greeks added an "s" on the end to make it iesous to make it masculine, it also appealed to them in uniting the pagans around 400 AD as iesous translates to Hail Zeus their pagan Greek God. Do any google search if you don't believe me.
allinall777 1 month ago
@allinall777 Who cares what "Jesus" name is.. all we want to know is if this man whatever his real name is. was real.. and existed...
Dianarocks333 1 month ago
@Dianarocks333 You want proff that he's real? People who followd Him have and still are being persecuted for this "non-existent" man. Not only did people die for Him. But the disciples (who were the only other people who could of started the religion) also died for Him. Throughout the Bible the disciples doubted (save Peter who probably doubted a little too) it wasn't until the ressurection that they actually beleived. What would cause people to die for Jesus. Jesus exists
Mcgif21 3 weeks ago
@Dianarocks333 And has affected culture and history more than any other man.
Mcgif21 3 weeks ago
The Christ was not called Jesus in his day, In fact he was never called Jesus by anyone of his followers. His real name used in that day was Yeshu, SO Christianity is not only using a false name as it's authority, claiming all manner of things in the false name Jesus, but also following an idol called Jesus and a false Christ? Yes Christus greek for Christ existed but he was not named Jesus. Christianity is full of antichrists, the ministers in your churches who lie and are sold out.
allinall777 1 month ago
Jesus was just a human like you and me, he was no different. No better. You can't die for another mans "sins", one right doesn't undo a wrong. And I believe there's only one creator. When we die we will all answer to it.
xBlackEditionx 1 month ago
@xBlackEditionx
Well Jesus IS the Creator. Being the Messiah who was prophesied for HUNDREDS of years. Jesus was G-d Almighty in the flesh, and He is alive for evermore, defeating death, and saving humanity.
Jesus died for all sin, Past, Present, and Future
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 month ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV Your really gonna believe that Jesus, a human being, created the universe....These beliefs are simply archaic.
xBlackEditionx 1 month ago
@xBlackEditionx
Proof that Jesus is G-d: Jesus HIMSELF!
He always spoke in His own divine authority. He never said, "Thus saith the Lord..."; He said, "Verily, verily, I say unto u."
Never retracted anything, never guessed or spoke with uncertainty, never made revisions, never contradicted Himself, & never apologized for what He said. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall never pass away," (Matt. 24:25) hence elevating His words directly to the realm of Heaven.
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 month ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV You know what the bible is? A book made up by high heads back thousands of years ago to control people by the masses, Think about it, everything you can think of that questions anything can be answered by the "because I said so" mentality. People were easily fooled back then but not me.
xBlackEditionx 1 month ago
@xBlackEditionx I have proof the Words of Scripture are true, proof you'll see all too soon.
tieppol 1 day ago
@tieppol If your bible is true, then magical elves are true because it's in a harry potter book. :)
xBlackEditionx 1 day ago
@xBlackEditionx And all because you say so, right?
Jesus could only be one of three things: the devil, crazy, or who he said he was: the son of God.
Can you prove he was crazy or a liar? If not, why don't you believe? ...or at least investigate a matter before condemning it with so much hate because hating Christianity is such a trendy thing to do these days.
YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva 1 month ago
@YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva
"Can you prove he was crazy or a liar?"
- there's no evidence for his claims and hence no reason to hold them as true, hence rejecting his claims is the logical default until evidence is presented.
- whether he was evil, crazy or divine relates to the states that caused him to make the claims and is not information available to us when assessing the VALIDITY of his claims (although your welcome to try to prove otherwise.)
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 Irrational is believing he didn't make these claims, which have stood the test of time.
You don't hold half of your historical beliefs to the degree of evidence you seek for Jesus' existence. It takes more faith to believe in atheism than to believe in Jesus, especially when speaking of morals, design, order, etc. None of those things have any solid meaning without an absolute with which to measure it against. Even an atheists idea of "logic" is opinion based on blind faith.
YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva 1 month ago
@YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva I don't hate Christianity, most Christians are really nice people. I can't prove anything on Jesus and neither can anyone for that matter. Were all in the same boat......but anyways, enjoy your life and have a good day. :)
xBlackEditionx 1 month ago
WHAT? Use facts please!! Are you aware of all the other sun god's that were born of a virgin, performed miracles. were crucified and resurrected three days later? Just think a little.
mtnboy37 2 months ago
@mtnboy37 There were no god or devine beings that existed before Jesus that were born of a virgin, were crucified and resurrected. None. All those storys are POST Christianity. For example...Mithra. Modern day stories say he was born of a virgin, however, all the ancient accounts say he was born of a rock. There is not a single example you can give me to prove your point.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
@truthforchrist
"There were no god or devine beings that existed before Jesus that were born of a virgin, were crucified and resurrected. None"
- bullshit, you cant name A SINGLE original miracle or attribute from the jesus myth (that was not present in a pre-dating religious tradition)
types10000 1 month ago
@truthforchrist
the ignorance of christians such as you knows no bounds:
- the virgin birth is a part of catholic doctrine (not Christianity as a whole) and was added in later by church. Mythical figures resulting IMMACULATE CONCEPTION were a dime a dozen and pre-date jesus
"were crucified and resurrected"
- the amount of mythical figures dying and rising were also a dime a dozen and also pre-date jesus,
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 All of Christianity accepts the virgin birth you ignorant fool. You can't give me a single example of immaculate conception prior to Christianity. In fact, no other religion believed in original sin, which means, it would have been impossible for any other religion to believe in it.
You also can't give me a single example of a figure dying and rising from the dead prior to Christianity. All those stories were added later to their mythology post Christianity.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
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types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 Buddha is a great example. *NONE* of the oldest accounts of Buddha mention anything about immaculate conception. None of them. Many modern day stories of Buddha might have something similar to immaculate conception, but those are modern versions of the story.
The other figures you mention, the same thing applies. Take Baal for example. The oldest accounts say nothing about him dying and rising from the dead. That is a modern edition to the story.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
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@truthforchrist
"single example of immaculate conception prior to Christianity"
- incorrect, an example of one such case is Buddha.
"You also can't give me a single example of a figure dying and rising from the dead prior to Christianity"
- no, dying and rising was one of the MOST common attributes of god's pre-dating Jesus an example of this is Adonis.
There is not a single miracle in Christianity that does not parallel that of a pre-existing tradition
types10000 1 month ago
@truthforchrist
Also, i would point-out the fact that the bible was not compiled until ~300CE, meaning that any number of stories could have been added to it up until this point.
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 The NT was complied long before 300 AD. You have been watching the Divinci Code. Besides, even if that were true (which it's not), some of the writtings of the NT date to 40 AD (about 8 years after Christ's death). That means there was virtually no time for stories to be added.
truthforchrist 1 month ago
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@truthforchrist
"The NT was complied long before 300 AD"
- no, Christianity was legalized until 313 and they hadnt formalized their beliefs until 325. During this period they decided on what documents would be included in the bible, meaning that any number of stories could have been added to it up until this point.
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 , hold on.
"CE"???? when I was growing up, it was always "BC" or "AD"
if you step back and look at the big picture, it's all nothing but mitigated bias to get G-d & Christian principles & values out of schools - and you haven't got to be an expert to wonder WHY the Columbine massacre or Katrina happened
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 month ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
"'CE'???? when I was growing up, it was always 'BC' or 'AD'"
- 'CE' means 'Common Era' and simply refers to the most frequently used calendar system (in our case the Gregorian Calendar), the designation itself has existed since 1708.
types10000 1 month ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
"it's all nothing but mitigated bias to get G-d & Christian principles & values out of schools"
- the only reason Christianity was in schools to begin with is because the backing of the church provided an affordable means of education.
- however the purpose of schools is to act as institutions of learning by providing the best knowledge available and the unsubstantiated claims of religion have no place there (be it public or private)
types10000 1 month ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV
"and you haven't got to be an expert to wonder WHY the Columbine massacre or Katrina happened"
- you arnt seriously trying to imply that god is trying to punish people using natural disasters are you?
that's almost as idiotic as the Texans praying for rain.
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 How come the other mythical Jesus-like figures didn't change the world; why were they completely forgotten until the time of the Internet (where Christian-haters could dig them up in their futile effort to dismantle Christianity)?
Sounds like the one true God that he spoke on behalf of glorified his name above all others. Maybe that's why? Yet, I'm sure you "logical" atheists have some other cuckoo reason for this (i.e. the swiss cheese argument of "controlling people").
YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva 1 month ago
@YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva
"How come the other mythical Jesus-like figures didn't change the world"
- sure they did, Buddha, Muhammad .etc if your asking why Christianity propagated so well then that relates back to how it was adopted as the official religion of Rome.
"why were they completely forgotten"
- they werent...
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000 Not one that you mentioned had a divine birth and resurrection.
The fact that you couldn't even name one (Dionysos or Mithras, for example) proves that they were forgotten, dug up only since the dawn of the Internet for the reason I mentioned earlier.
YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva 1 month ago
@YoBravaFrumAnuvaMuva
"Yet, I'm sure you 'logical' atheists have some other cuckoo reason for this"
- well it's success being due to events causing it to propagate is indeed much more logical than it propagating because it's true (ad populum fallacy)
types10000 1 month ago
WHAT? Use facts please!!
mtnboy37 2 months ago
This documentary is well made but still miss his main goal which is to prove that Jesus is an historic person. All demonstrations in this documentary rely on writing well after the death of Jesus. All you say about Tacitus is pure speculation, not facts. Again nothing oppose the fact that Jesus may have existed, but we don't have the historical facts to prove that he for sure existed and claiming the opposite is an intellectual dishonesty. To be frank your tone is too passionate to be honest
dou40006 2 months ago
Hellllo mr idiot who make this film.There was no Crhist name.The name Crhist come from greek books who traslate Eshua to jesus .The name of jesus in israel book is Eshua the son of god Ely.Christ and jesus is a mitrslation and its that thing in that you believe.
MAkakPEmanele 2 months ago
Andreas Hierosolymitanus, 8th century archbishop of Crete,used a description of Jesus which he read in a version of Josephus extant at that time. Jesus, he said, was a dark-skinned hobbit-sized hunchback with a big nose, thinning hair, a patchy beard, and eyebrows that joined in the center in a monstrous fashion.
Tertullian wrote jc was disfigured, un-handsome with a unibrow. Butt ugly seems to be the indication from the early reports.
ThePrepnow1 2 months ago
Every item of 'proof' this con artist presents is nothing more than hearsay. None of his sources were contemporaries of this jesus and hearsay is never admitted in any court as proof of anything. There was an abundance of famous authors/historians during the supposed lifetime of jesus yet not one of them bothered to write one word about him. Hearsay and five dollars will get you a cheap cup of Starbucks. Read the new book The Christ Scandal by Tony Bushby and get a clue.
ThePrepnow1 3 months ago
@ThePrepnow1 If you look at any accedemic encyclopedia, they all accept Christ's life and death on the cross as a historical fact. The encyclopedias will mention contemporaries who did write about Christ.
You can deny any and all miricles assosiated to Him, but He did live, and that can't be debted.
truthforchrist 2 months ago
@truthforchrist Name one contemporary who mentioned him and the name of their publication. You can't because none exist and you are a typical liar for jesus.Even the rotten church fathers fully admitted there was no proof outside the scriptures except for those who wrote of him using pure hearsay well after his death. Come back when you can put your money where your lying mouth is.
ThePrepnow1 2 months ago
@ThePrepnow1 Well, I was hoping to have an adult conversation with you, but I can see that it will be impossible. I gave you an accedemic example, and all you could respond to it was "you lied".
This is my fault. I should have known better than to expect you to act like a mature adult. Oh well.
truthforchrist 2 months ago
@truthforchrist Just because you claim that there are written works by contemporaries of jesus does not make it so. You offered no proof at all so once again we are back to hearsay. If you can produce such a document then you will be the first in over 2000 years to do so. All religions are manmade to control the masses. The religious nuts will waste their lives and die thinking theirs is the correct one. In the meantime the hate and killing will continue in the names of these demonic gods
ThePrepnow1 2 months ago
@ThePrepnow1 the Qur'an mentions him...also there is a whole period of time named after christ... B.C.
campbellnova 2 months ago
@campbellnova I am speaking of CONTEMPORY PROOF. That means well know people whom we know lived during his life, there are NO reports from any of them. Since the religion of Islam was created by the RCC, of course their holy book mentions jesus. I highly suggest you research the creation of Islam by the vatican and try to learn how this world got into this mess. Islam came into existence hundreds of years after christianity so anything reported by them in their Koran is pure hearsay.
ThePrepnow1 2 months ago
como tu quieras
alaric63 3 months ago
Personally, I think you are kinda trapped in the ol GodBox.
I don't have any faith in any of the history you have quoted or ninety percent of history I have studied. You just can't nail any of that stuff down.
And besides, why all the hubub about who's theory or whatever is right, didn't Jesus say,
Be Passerby.
I gave you a good listen, but you really don't have anywhere near the charisma or the information to convince me.
Nice try though.
alaric63 3 months ago
@alaric63 You should've turned it off when he said that this is a new view on the topic. Or at least when he said his material is from a religious website.
Arcexey 3 months ago
There was many different Christos's back in those days.
wachnathan 4 months ago
Tacitus called him "Christos", not his real name according to Scripture. Secondly he refers to Pilate with the wrong title. He was a prefect, not a procurator. Tacitus can not be trusted for verifying the existence of Jesus. He more than likely heard a story of Jesus from a Christian, not from government records. Josephus supposedly calls Jesus the Christ?? Doer of wonderful works??? Was resurrected??? If anything he's retelling a story from Christians, he didn't even believe it, didn't covert.
oldno74 4 months ago
lol its funny how the only people to ever deny Jesus' existence, are those who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime. At uni i would sometimes have debates with atheists, and I remember if one of them ever said Jesus never existed, i wouldn't even try debating them, you know they are just going to be complete idiots who have no grasp on History whatsoever. Those who deny Jesus' existence only do so, to make themselves feel more comfortable with their atheism.
sned10000 4 months ago
@sned10000 There is no corroborating evidence for his existence other than the "gospels", no Roman census records exist, no records of his sermons (other than the bible), and of course the good name of Christianity helps nothing at all.
viletree 3 months ago
@viletree One thing we do know for fact is that around 2,000 years ago a large number of Jewish people suddenly changed their religion to Christianity. Devoutly religious people don't just make up a new religion for no reason, something extraordinary started Christianity. If Jesus did not exist, what more plausible theory could you suggest to explain the start of Christianity and the motives behind writing the new Testament. Please provide evidence for your theory as well.
sned10000 3 months ago 2
i cant believe these idiots actually have to question or debate if jesus existed. No he didnt exist??? or first of all his story didnt even originally come from the bible??? thus his name was not originally "Jesus" so from that view no jesus didnt exist then, he is now reffered in modern day as "jesus" but does he exist? YESS he doesnt only exist as one of the most significant historical figures but he exists as a figure of worship, a thought that resonates in your mind, a reference of opinion.
MusicRallys 4 months ago
This is brilliant stuff. I have heard so many times that "there is more evidence to prove that Jesus exists than Caesar" but this puts some flesh on the bones as it were. Thanks. Please keep publishing this stuff in this way. Jesus loves you!
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AbramSailor79 4 months ago
Okey people.. It has been proofed that Jesus did exist. Its not and it cant be proofed that he was gods son, but he did exist. I am christian.
Grysnow 4 months ago
Making comments as I watch it.....1st Tacticus can not be credited on this subject because he was not quoting Roman records just the info he would have gotten from Christians in Rome itself. I know this because he makes as error in this statement. He says that he was put to death by Pontius Pilate, the procurator. The problem is that Pilate was not a procurator, he was a PREFECT. If he was referencing Roman records from that time he would have used the correct terminology.
mustang97mb 4 months ago
well finished part 1.. still see no strong evedence for Jesus...
ChaosForgeKnives 5 months ago
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3iiionem 5 months ago
Jesus was supposedly crucified in 30 ad how does Tacitus account for Jesus existence when he is not born until 55ace and dies 120 ace that would mean his information would be link to hearsay at best.. Although I can appreciate not using the bible to prove them bible but you used a website slanted towards religion called divine evidence. So you fell back to religious doctrine all over again.
69Henti 5 months ago
@69Henti I been reading about this problem for years. Actually Tacitus could have consulted Roman records as it was often his practice. Tacitus also could have turned to his personal education. Tacitus didn't live too far from the time of the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. So was it JUSt hearsay? One can't be sure. Did Josephus mention Jesus? Most likely he did and his famous TF passage later suffered a slight "gloss/interpolation". See wwwdotjosephusdotorg
boblackey1 5 months ago
Its not that theres not enough evidence, theres TOO MUCH evidence proving the Bible, just like theres TOO MUCH evidence proving 9/11 was an inside job. Yet, sadly, most people believe what they WANT to believe.
John48581 6 months ago
@John48581 You made a typo you said "theres TOO MUCH evidence proving the Bible" I think you meant to much "not" proving the bible. Just the small things people mess up on destroy there whole point.
MugiwaraJr 6 months ago
I love how he starts with, "...we will be using only non-Bliblical evidence." Then the first thing he goes to is a Christian website......wow.
AnimusSolis 6 months ago
Some goon reads a xian website? Nonsense.
messiahjonz 6 months ago
I am a Reenator. The best Proof is first hand proof: veryfiably relics, first hand accounts etc. Even thirty or fifty year are mor than enough for things to be thought being real which in fact were not. So with most accounts of jesus being written decades or centuries after his supposed lifetime, evidence base is quite shaky. I personally think, that Jesus lived some 2000 years ago, but the "evidence" for his deeds and whatnot are extremely shaky.
LutzDerLurch 6 months ago
Well on top of that much of their writings showed to be interpolated likely by later Christians so we will never really know what exactly they wrote!
PensFan35 6 months ago
I'm afraid to even look at the commentary section because I just know I'll find some pathetic little worms shielded by internet who have nothing better to do than crap on other people's beliefs and ways of life. Anti-religious trolls should seriously consider getting a life.
Dodo251 6 months ago
@Dodo251
I think using the term, 'Anti-Religious,' doesn't really work. I for one do not believe in Biblical text and I have my reasons but i'm not 'against' religion.
PensFan35 6 months ago
@Dodo251.....why be religious? why be controlled? If u want to praise your god, do u need someone to tell u how to do it? do they need 10% of your money? if your religious, then how smart are u, really!! how do u rationalize being controlled?
3iiionem 5 months ago
@3iiionem I love this 'control' crap. Nobody's controlling me; I am willingly being a part of the Church because I like it and see nothing wrong with it. So do most Catholics. And if I ever decide to leave the Church, I'm free to do so. There is no control over anyone, there is no conspiracy. And yes, we do need someone to tell us how to do it, otherwise everyone starts interpreting history according to his own liking and completely misunderstand everything. Like protestants do.
Dodo251 5 months ago
@Dodo251.....why r u a willing participant of the church? what ever your attraction is, doesn't mean it's righteous. your mind, and your way of life is being controlled. u believe what someone else told u. u believe a story, and don't care to examine it's righteousness. religion is corrupt, period. how condescending r u when u speak of a protestant negatively? Their human, like u. Damn, what is the church teaching u? this religious crap is a joke already, wake up world.
3iiionem 5 months ago
@3iiionem Yet another typically intolerant (and utterly illiterate) atheist scum who has no life of his own so he can't keep out of other people's business. I believe because I choose to believe; it's none of your goddamn business. Atheism isn't corrupt? Stalin, Tzetung, Kim Jong Ill ring a bell, you ignoramus? You believe in nothingness, I believe in God. Now leave me the fuck alone and go preach to someone who's actually interested in your crap.
Dodo251 5 months ago
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@Dodo251..why I gotta be atheist scum? must u be an ass? I thought u was god like?!! hmm' I guess your true colors are showing now. Again, I wonder what your church is teaching u? Much rather be such, then be lead astray by a house of false prophets. I' m just cognizant of the bullshit that's meant to control us. look at all the hypocrisy surrounding all religions. Especially the catholic church. Working with Hitler, proven, no? lol, I'll leave u alone, but do your homework, look pass the bible.
3iiionem 5 months ago
@Dodo251 You spoke to 3iiionem in a very vulgar manner calling him “scum, saying this was none of his g*dd*amn business and to leave you the f*ck alone”. While I do not support 3iiionem negative views of Christianity, I thought it appropriate to mention we as Christians are meant to speak to others in opposition of our beliefs with gentleness/meekness/mildness/modesty, patience & humility/self-restraint (1 Peter 3:15-16; 2 Timothy 2:24-27),
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont I...) and to live as peaceably with others as much depends on us (Romans 12:18) so we do not turn them away further away from Christianity and give them lack of reason to see the compassion which is derived from our faith in hopes that one day it will help them repent and become faithful themselves. I have strived and hope myself that I expressed my opinions and statements in a manner suitable for a Christian as well.
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont II..) I have compared every Scripture reference I have given with the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible and the Catholic Public Domain Version Bible and it appears to coincide with the Scripture translations I use myself. With all this being said, I pray God leads us both into the truth as he would have us and that we both hear “Well done, good and faithful servant” (Matt 25:23) when the time comes.
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@3iiionem I just wanted to apologize (regardless of the fact that I do not agree with your opposition to Christianity as I am a Christian myself) for the vulgarity that was used against you by a proclaiming Christian. I cannot apologize for my faith but I believe one should not attack someone in such a hostile manner as you were while expressing beliefs. I wanted to leave you with some Scriptures references where...
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@3iiionem (cont 1...) the Bible instructs Christians not to behave in such manner but to actually act the opposite. I do this so you are not left thinking all proclaiming Christians are (or should be) so hostile. *1 Peter 3:15* 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; (NKJV)
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@3iiionem (cont 2…) *2 Timothy 2:24-25* 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, (NKJV) *Romans 12:18* 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. (NKJV)
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@AbramSailor79...I agree. I am a very peaceful person, and respect my fellow man. but quotes from the bible lends nothing. There all common sense quotes, really. it's just a book, a story, re-written over and over, modified, deleted, altered, adjusted, etc.. to maintain a control over u. the book says this, lol? how do u know what jesus said, or what god said.... did either one of them come to u and say it themselves? or r u just quoting what someone wrote, and they said he said it?!! lol
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79...question? if we lived during the time of jesus, and did not know of him, but knew of other gods, what r we to do, Convert? How do u convince me? something of this importance should come innately, don't u think? If his father was the creator of everything, how could jesus convince the whole world population? If I am the creator of a people, they will know ME", period. I'm not sending messengers...wtf? how does that make any sense?
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79....I mean if one doesn't believe in your god, any god, jesus or whatever they put in the bible, then is he condemned? if my creator isn't guiding me "HIMSELF", then I'm subject to any and all bullshit, right? then how could u hold one accountable for not knowing? Damn, how could anyone know what to believe anyways!! lol now I'm going to this place called hell because i didn't follow what the christians say or what the bible say. huh'...really? scare tactics for the ignorant
3iiionem 4 months ago
@3iiionem I did not post comments to you in an effort to argumentative, quite the contrary. I posted to you b/c it appeared shameful the way the pervious person was being so volatile towards you. I merely posted Scripture reference from the Bible that tell Christians to actually do the opposite so you wouldn’t think I was ignorant or Scripture or just making it up (regardless if they appear to be “common sense quotes” as you put it).
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem & yes, I believe those quotes are common sense as I believe God has given man common sense & a preexisting moral code, but some people choose to ignore &/or reject it for whatever reasons they have. You asked: “how do u know what jesus said, or what god said”: I believe God has preserved His Word for us in the Bible regardless of the motivation, ignorance or circumstance that lead to their preservation.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem You asked: “if we lived during the time of jesus, and did not know of him… what r we to do..? something of this importance should come innately, don't u think?” : I do believe God draws everyone to Him in one way or another & has indeed done so “innately” in our world but some choose to ignore &/or reject it as I mentioned before about with God giving man common sense & a preexisting moral code.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem You stated: “If I am the creator of a people, they will know ME", period. I'm not sending messengers”: I believe Jesus is actually a manifestation of God in the flesh who died for man & that God gives man enough “innate” recognitions of Himself to the world, & again… allows us to reject or dismiss them (including His messengers) just as I have been describing throughout these comments.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
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@3iiionem You asked: “if my creator isn't guiding me "HIMSELF", then I'm subject to any and all bullsh*t, right? then how could u hold one accountable for not knowing…how could anyone know what to believe anyways!”: Again, as throughout these comments, I believe God gives ample recognition of Himself & He is guiding (not forcing) everyone, but He gives man the ability to dismiss His guidance (I’m not trying to sound like a broken record (which I probably do),
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem I truly believe the recognition of these topics & man having the ability to dismiss these recognitions applies to each comment/question placed here). Not that I expect you to take me seriously, but I believe I have experienced & acknowledged God’s “guidance” for me outside of the Bible which has lead me to believe the Bible.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79..often u said u believe" why do u believe what u believe without proof, and your own thorough investigation? Doesn't seem like you've thoroughly examined this outside a religious view. Like most people wrapped up in religion, they go by the book, and that's not smart at all. Does it make logical sense to have faith, but not question it's truths? the bible is literally riddled with contradictions, I'm sure u know this. and that should be eye opening enough to start questioning.
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79..god did not give us all common sense, nor a pre-existing moral code. your morals comes from your surroundings first. hell, just look at the mayans, who believed in human sacrifices, or the many tribes in the amazon, that believe in canabalisism...guess god missed them. And why would our creator play guessing games with us? I'm sure god would want us to know the spirit, without guessing which man made religion is correct. I'm sure god isn't happy with all of the misrepresentation!
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79.. Let's think common sense wise: why would jesus be a manifestation of god? why do U" believe this? this is totally unnecessary since god can be anything, why pick to be a human from birth, in such an isolated area, and walk around preaching to people what the spirit is? Is this productive? It makes no sense, what so ever. Is the bible making god out to be some kind of idiot? We should know our creator innately, never questioning the spirit.(thus this would make religions obsolete
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79..in the first place ;) This is common sense, right? why put it in a book? so man can distort the real meaning, and alter it to his own political means?....sounds dead on to me. u think god would sit idly by while this goes on for centuries....ask ur self. That book does not come from a higher spirit, u must know this. How dare it be titled Holy? hah' lmao, there's nothing holy about that book. The bible is totally man made, for selfish, political motives....
3iiionem 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79.. It's right there in your face!! since this story is about the hebrews, i'm sure it was intended for them. I mean, the so called original books were in hebrew right? why would god only allow a certain type of people to know of the spirit? I'm sure god would want all of man to know it, since we all have to follow it or will burn in hell!! lol geez, this is just ridiculous...i'm sure u would agree. Religion is useless, nothing but social groups, that get's tax breaks.....
3iiionem 4 months ago
@3iiionem I’ve done a “thorough” investigation (a more thorough investigation than most I dare say), & if you read my comments “thoroughly”, I also said I have reasons outside the Bible to believe in Christianity. I question truths, including Biblical truths all the time. & after “thoroughly” researching many supposed “contradictions” in the Bible, I find possible if not outright obvious reasons that they are not indeed contradictions.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem Ok, let’s look at the Mayans & Amazons… I said man can choose to dismiss our God given common sense & moral codes. God is not playing guessing games, & God calls everyone to know the Truth, & all we have to do is allow ourselves to hear it instead of ignore it, that’s how you know which religion is correct.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
Yeah, I’m sure God isn’t happy with a lot of His misrepresentation b/c people do twist His message around to benefit themselves & those people are dismissing what God would have them truly do. I see no problem with God manifesting in the form of Jesus in the area He chose. He chose to be a man to show He has known the life a man. So we can know He empathizes with us if we did not think He did previously.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem I say again we have the ability to know our God “innately” but He gives us the choice to dismiss Him. The old cliché: we would just be robots without freewill… I’ve already gone over this in my previous posts. God put His Word in a book so man can read it, “common sense”… as simple as that. If God has the ability to create the universe He most certainly has the power to preserve His Word in a book regardless of man’s motivation, ignorance or circumstance as I have already said.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem There’s no problem with the Scripture being in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. God is just with the people who have not had the opportunity to read/believe His Word (as I already said) in the Old Covenant times as well as the New Covenant times (again as I have already said in previous posts). I stopped using the word believe b/c that now seems to offend you. I used the word believe previously out of respect for the right of your own beliefs.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem Believe is just my way of saying: “from my point of view” while being respectful of the right to “your point of view”. I posted to you originally out of concern, respect, kindness & Love (as I still do) b/c you were being treated with disrespect by another person & I was apologizing for their behavior & it now appears you are in turn just disrespecting me. I continue to reply to you in a non-volatile manner.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem You however seem it appropriate to disrespect my statements while I have shown ample respect for yours & you seem to only want to attack me where I was only trying to defend you. Again, I wish you the best. I do not wish you any ill will; however, at this point I see no further use for our discussion as it is going nowhere that I am able to discern. It’s probably best that we end our conversation at this time.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@AbramSailor79... while claiming to be in the name of god. how repulsive!! no creator would let such garbage go on for so long, right?
3iiionem 4 months ago
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@3iiionem I also believe those people who have never had a chance to hear/believe of how Jesus died for our sins & become faithful unto salvation, He will be just with them. All this being said, I have not provided Scripture references for my beliefs here as you appeared to be adverse to me posting them previously. However if you wish for me to give the Scripture references for the information I have given, I will be happy to provide them for you if asked.
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AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@3iiionem Thank you for taking the time to read my comments. & again, I’m not posting this information to argue & I have no right keep you from your own beliefs (if it were even possible). I’m simply trying share my beliefs in reply to your questions & observations. I do indeed wish you the best life has to offer. Also, I'll send this message to you inbox in it's entirety since it can be troubelsome to follow a messaage on here broken into so many different comments.
AbramSailor79 4 months ago
@Dodo251 You stated: “we do need someone to tell us how to do it, otherwise everyone starts interpreting history according to his own liking and completely misunderstand everything. Like protestants do.” I am Christian however I am not Catholic (and don’t claim to be even a protestant but anyone who is not an Orthodox Christian is usually labeled as such). I have reason to believe in Christianity but no reason to believe (after careful consideration) that Catholicism is the one true Church
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@AbramSailor79 You have no reason to believe in Catholicism, yet it were Catholic scholars and Church fathers who have given you the Bible which you're holding in your hands. The catholic church composed it and hence knows how to interpret it properly. That's why there are approximately 40000 protestant denominations (many of them in favour of abortion!) and only one proper Christ's Church. Every town seems to interpret the Bible in its own way and that's when chaos and ignorance occur.
Dodo251 5 months ago
@Dodo251 No, I don’t have reason to believe Catholicism is the one true church, nor do I have sufficient reason to believe that Catholicism today is the same Christian organization which canonized the bible. Even if the Catholic Church today was the same organization that canonized the bible (or if it was another organization that was ignorant or unsavory),
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AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont… 1) I believe God has set things into motion to give us the Scriptures He intends us to have regardless of the motivation, ignorance or circumstance that brought them about. God has used this method for other reasons before(Ps 12:6-7; Ps 33:11; Isa 40:8; Isa 55:11; Matt 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33). For example God used Judas’ betrayal (Judas’ choosing to do so himself) to bring about the sacrifice of Christ so we may have salvation.
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont... 2) The Bible instructs us to see if what is being taught is correct (Acts 17:11; 1 Thes 5:21; 2 Tim 2:15) not to just go by what someone says regardless of their affiliation. I have used this instruction (with prayer & study, asking for God’s, Christ’s & the Holy Spirit’s help) & have come to the conclusion Catholicism is not the one true church (nor is any other labeled Christian organization (even ones who claim they are not labeled).
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont... 3) However, this being said I don’t think anyone one person or group is capable of getting everything 100% right. I believe the one true Church is the spiritual body made up of all faithful Christians (Rom 12:3-5; 1 Cor 12:12-27; Col 1:18). If I have been mistaken in my conclusion, I pray God forgive me.
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont 1...) or that the Pope has any more authority over Christian doctrine than any faithful Christian. I believe Jesus is my only Mediator between myself and God (1 Timothy 2:5) and the Holy Spirit is to help Christians to discern truth (Romans 8:14). However, I have no right keep you from your beliefs (if it were even possible). I am in no position to judge your conclusions (Romans 14:4-5)...
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
@Dodo251 (cont 2...) but would only like to express my own while admitting I am not perfect in anyway nor do I believe anyone else is including their interpretation of Scriptures though I understand Scripture is of no private interpretation (2 Pet 1:20) and we are to strive to understand the true meaning of Scripture with our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:10) with the help of Christ and the Holy Spirit (1 Timothy 2:5; Romans 8:14).
AbramSailor79 5 months ago
It still bothers me that no where in Roman records does it mention anything about the execution of anybody named "jesus" by Pilate.
PensFan35 6 months ago
FAIL:Contemporary= Alive AT THE SAME TIME If I were to tell you about Ben Franklin, would you assume I knew him?
Tacitus wrate about people that believed in Jesus well after the reported resurection. This proves there were sects of early christians, not Jesus.
Lucian Wrote in the second century and was mocking the beliefs of early christians much like a stand up commic. He certainly did not say Jesus existed, hence the sarcasm. I do understand where he was coming from.
Josephus= Same a tacitus
AdUtrumquePeratus76 7 months ago
Christ isn't a name FYI
wachnathan 7 months ago
this is just not a factual nor honest presentation. Fundamentally, there is little or no evidence that Jesus existed. Accouts after the creation of Christianity are not really valid. I am getting to hate this kind of video on youtube. Watch proper historical videos. This is a shot in the dark, but I am guessing the author of the video is a christian.
underdonkey5 7 months ago
@underdonkey5 you have to take into consideration that he lived 2,000 years ago, there is no physical evidence of my great great grandmother but she existed
ceaser8999 7 months ago
@ceaser8999
I think if you tried hard you would actually be able to find evidence of your great great grandmother. Its likely there would be birth records; and despite this, absence of evidence is not proof. My main problem with this video is that its biased. We can't know if Jesus existed or not, but there are events in the gospels that should have been recorded by historians that weren't (e.g. the census which caused Jesus and Mary to have to travel to Bethlehem), suggesting falsification.
underdonkey5 7 months ago
@underdonkey5 who's to say we just haven't found that historian or evidence yet archaeologist are uncovering alot of stuff to support the story of the gospels..... what, did u actually expect every famous historian to write down every single detail of everything that happened Shroud of Turin seems like proof even though the carbon dating controversies but most skeptics never mention that the turin caught on fire which would most likely have altered an already not 100% dating measurement
ceaser8999 7 months ago
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there was a russian scientist (Kouznetsov) who claimed that carbon dating could be affected by heat, but he was proven wrong. He also claimed evolution wasn't real; and he also happened to be a Christian. A census in which people had to return to their birth place would have been a major event, and should have been recorded somewhere. I would doubt any historic evidence about Jesus given by Christians since they are not neutral or unbiased.
underdonkey5 7 months ago
@underdonkey5 not the heat aspect of the fire fire but the compund aspect of it why would i think the heat from the fire would affect it................. they didn't test the shroud as a hole but they cut off one part now if they did the same thing to fossils what do you think would happen? But good luck on your search there is evidence but men has the tendency not to believe unless jesus comes down and cooks them breakfast (Sarcasm) but i can't blame you
ceaser8999 7 months ago
wasn't Tacitus born like 20 years after jesus was crucified? what puts him in a position to confirm his execution, and lucian was born like a century later and same for almost every1 else, thats the main problem with jesus, theres little to none confirmation about him, from his own time. Personally i think jesus did exist but thats mainly an assumption, i dont have much hard evidence for it, but still was he gods son?
MovieFusionist 7 months ago
@MovieFusionist you do know he lived 2,000 years ago but the bible is evidence but you will just say it's a book so there is other evidence but you choose to ignore it
ceaser8999 7 months ago
@ceaser8999 ...i know what is and what isn't as well as what could be, i'm not ignoring anything... its you who seems to be ignoring things just to convince himself, i'm the one being skeptic here, whats the evidence you speak of? what the bible says? the bible also says Joshua killed thousands of Egyptians in the city of Jericho , which is historically proven to be a lie. Sorry for not trusting the bible 100%, as for the "other" evidence, i said what i had on the post above.
MovieFusionist 7 months ago
i was kinda looking for something more than a fan made video...
MovieFusionist 7 months ago
I don't know if Jesus is God in the flesh. If so Jesus would be omniscient. By His own admission that was not the case. He doesn't know all that the Father knows. He said why call me good? Only God is good. Then he says the Father and I are one. I am before Abraham. Then he says, of myself I can do nothing. Does anyone else see the dichotomy?
Tonithenightowl 7 months ago
@Tonithenightowl - "Does anyone else see the dichotomy?" YES, well done: and the hundreds of contradictions.
libomann 6 months ago
@libomann Well, I lost my religion but I didn't lose my God. I never thought God was contingent on the bible, and I still don't. I see the reflection of God in love and kindness, not doctrine and dogma. All I see with doctrine and dogma is bitter debate. As Gandhi said, I like your Christ but why are your Christians so unchrist like? :o)
Tonithenightowl 6 months ago
jesus is in my garage smokin a blunt
MrShane737 7 months ago
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xabis01 7 months ago
fuck you all! This ain't better than a Phater Judas Priest song! Don't waste your time with fags like this! Enter to judas priest cite and you will know the truth!
xabis01 7 months ago
" Did Jesus Exist " ? Yes, he works at a mexican restaurant just down the street from where I live.
ReneeNme 7 months ago
The majority of historians and scholars believe and conclude Jesus Christ's existence. No one, at least of high intelligence such as professional historians and scholars, say Jesus never existed. To conclude he never existed or that he is a myth would take evidence for that case. At best, a handful of men are skeptical and that is the farthest it goes. Watch my YouTube video "Logical Reasoning Part 1"
3SpaceCadet 7 months ago
@3SpaceCadet i agree 100%
matrixlone 7 months ago
First, the existence of a historical Jesus is widely debated among historians with the greatest majority agreeing that Jesus was a mythical, not an actual historical figure. Second, even if he existed would make no difference in the lies that is perpetuated by the Christian church. You have to prove that there is a God, that Jesus was the son of God along with all the miracles and resurrection stories on which Christianity hinges. You can't get an is from an ought. It is a stupid argument.
saburius 7 months ago
@saburius
"greatest majority [of historians] agreeing that Jesus was a mythical, not an actual historical figure"
That's a clear bluff. Provide proof or retract this nonsense.
Axxess7777 7 months ago
@saburius No that's an asinine statement with no evidence to back it up.
800mEric 7 months ago
@800mEric , Christianity as a whole pivots on the very idea that Jesus was Christ, the son of God. You can try to prove that there was a historical figure called Jesus (and good luck even with that), but unless you can prove that there is a God and that a historical figure called Jesus was the son of that God, the whole argument is useless.
saburius 7 months ago
@800mEric , I see you've learned a new word (asinine) by watching the atheist experience, but I wonder if you know what that means...
saburius 7 months ago
@saburius Good come back just keep conjecturing
800mEric 7 months ago
@800mEric, Ohh, conjecture eh? Another fancy word. Unfortunately for you, fancy words will not add any value to an argument that is based on psychosis, neurosis and delusion. Religious and superstitious beliefs are a self-inflicted, self-imposed mental illness. 85% of our planet suffers from it. Less than the percentage (98%) of Christians who never actually read the holy book of fairy tales a.k.a. the bible - the reason why Christianity is still around.
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Rotebuehl1 8 months ago
@Rotebuehl1 thanks. much appreciated. respect
mcRioRemedy 8 months ago
@start12poop
Why historians? There is no proof for the existence of the Jesus in the Christian and Muslim books. No memorabilia, no woodwork, no papers. So we depend on evidence. The Bibles themselves are unreliable for various reasons I am sure you are aware of. We have no inscriptions, numismatic or other evidence. That leaves historical accounts. There is none. We are down to circumstantial evidence: geophysical anomalies, infanticides, etc. None.
Not a strong case for Jesus.
StopSpamming1 8 months ago
Spiritual salvation is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; & that not of yourselves,it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9.
God says that if you deny Him, He will deny you. He also says that mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. Godbless
LordJesusChristtruth 8 months ago
i dont believe anyone about anything, nibiru fake jesus fake everything is fake, mostly nibiru and cupcakes
DoHBirDoG 8 months ago
@DoHBirDoG I'm the same way lol. Which is why Jesus' teachings are so amazing to me. He had a way of cutting out the bullshit.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
His introductory statement is correct: there is no evidence for the existence of the Jesus as described in the Christian Bible and the Koran.
There were many preachers with a name that we call Jesus today walking around in those days. But none with the extreme traits attributed by the Bible.
The only historian actually using the name Jesus was Josephus. 69 times the last time I counted. But they are different men with a name of Jesus. Except in the TF, which is a fake, probably by Eusebius.
StopSpamming1 8 months ago