HoN: Scout Guide by Nigma

[orochimaruPROLIKEHEL]

It was abt 150 matches ago i used scout. Yet, scout is still my most used hero 15%... zzzzzzzzz

[Zinodin]

dude. Skaut is best hero. Pick vanish level 1 for extra movement speed. You won't need boots.

Also.. get codex!

I'm trollin' :P

[Blazingwheel]

ty cause of this guide i pawn with scout ALOT its so funny to get kills solo with him :3

[dragonair7201]

i always own as scout!! and i do different things than that

[lbertolossi]

top lane? bot lane? I solo mid as scout.

[Ar3uNuTs]

5:48 u should never do that!! go in front of your enemy

[ael1217]

Try getting shieldbreaker after your marchers. You wont regret it :>

[OoJUGG3RN4UToO]

Scout on HoN

is like Eve on LoL

they both think "Stealth, douchebag that is very underpowered and given shit"

[idanguttsait]

@OoJUGG3RN4UToO dude.. its only like eve is fcking worthless and scout is like idk... some leblanc...

[OoJUGG3RN4UToO]

@idanguttsait Eve is worthless? I went 26-1-12 as Eve, orly?

[idanguttsait]

@OoJUGG3RN4UToO the question is when did you do it. prenerf or postnerf.

nevermind that, i mean that she is now PURELY skill dependent... some newbie cannot donate as much to his team as much as he could prenerf.

they have destroyed Ap eve, and in my opinion Ad eve ain't better.

the only way to fix her is to put an AD ratio on her Q, and turn her into the perfect jungler again.

[k1ll3rtr0n]

No bruta?

[1337ImpeRaToR]

@Avramopoulos1 rolf you call somone with lvl 1 487 hp OP? you smelled on shit dont ya? What is RA Rampage Pebbles Deadwood Predator or Electrician

[Avramopoulos1]

@1337ImpeRaToR hp isn;t everything... inv makes u extremely hard to kill... l2p

[1337ImpeRaToR]

@Avramopoulos1 rofl bounded eye .. blue ward gg for him newb tells me l2p

[Avramopoulos1]

@1337ImpeRaToR 3.5 ka:d is ok, i;m nit that noob... didn;t say i;m pro, but u can;t have bound eye from lvl 2 and even eyes would be costful... also u have more movement speed... ok now? and stop telling me he isn;t op, it makes u noob

[1337ImpeRaToR]

@Avramopoulos1 holy shit you talk shit get mates anyone shall play support and you dont have to waste money on wards how long are you playing games on dota principe? damn..

[Avramopoulos1]

@1337ImpeRaToR i play support many times... and i rarely play hon alone, i always lane with a friend, and one of my best friend's hero is scout, which i supported many times... we NEVER lost a game with scout so stfu idiot and listen to yourself... i never said i;m pro or anything, but at least i understand that extra movement speed and inv from lvl2 makes u one of the hardest heroes to kill... i never said they should remove him too, just saying if he got a little weaker it would be farer..

[1337ImpeRaToR]

@Avramopoulos1 there is really no nerf necessary cause he cant even hold 1 pyromancer ult without black legion and if you counter him with zephyr or amun ra he is just useless in the whole match if you know how its not like i am a fanboy of him but he isnt a "must be nerf" like armadon or somthing

[Avramopoulos1]

@1337ImpeRaToR agreed, i don't say he should be nurfed a lot, u have read my comment. just one of those things and i would be VERY happy.but yes, there are more op heroes, such as dw, arma, ra, pebb... oh well :/

[Avramopoulos1]

@1337ImpeRaToR my fav way of doing it would be weakening his first attack... EITHER remove the extra movement speed, OR have 3 fast attacks rather than 4, OR have no chance to crit in those 4 attacks(although that would be too harsh) OR increased cd... and i agree that they overestimate him.. playing scout in a pro match NEEDS skills. u agree in anything i said? :/

[SuperXtreme45]

Thanks very much for the help

[ChurchillBarte]

why do they keep blaming the weak ones T.T

[SuperXtreme45]

Please help me I still suck, and they keep on blaming me if I am not good please help!!! :(

[mads624f]

@SuperXtreme45 you should play very carefully no mater how fed

[TheDotARampage]

@SuperXtreme45 play heroes with good stuns so that it is easier to get away. examples are ws, andromeda, or even better, magmus, who can stun AND escape at the same time. when you play those heroes, watch out for silencers though ;]

[Avramopoulos1]

@SuperXtreme45 well, i'd say get a friend playing hon and learn together.. it would be easier for both of u... also, NEVER play casual mode :)

[TheSerpentSaint]

I once killed an invis nh with scout by hitting his teammate next to him with runed cleaver. Was pretty damn awesome.

[demigodFUDO]

@TheSerpentSaint my friend got a master of arms split shot hattrick. revenant invis'd himself and swiftblade while running back from top tower hellbourne, their soul reaper stood there looking retarded when MOA killed him. they blamed it all on soul reaper =D

[xCpKxReCkLeSs]

I remember this one time i was killing 2 people with my 1 vanish 4 hits i think i had. Runed, Marchers, Savage, Shrunken, Bruta, and Final level rift shards Most fun i have ever had playing scout

[CodexScout]

I approve of this.

[FlipJanson]

I like how even in the scout guide... scout dies ;D

[NoAde9]

Scout is hard carry

[direXD]

no1 thinks scout is support hero, thanks. you either have a really wrong idea of what support is, or you have a really weak grasp of reality.

[Kortexx611]

@direXD He's talking about the initial thoughts someone has when they hear the word 'scout'; not the actual role of the hero.

[Stag19921]

@heath1056 thanks.

[ancienthostility]

In LoL Scout would be the most picked hero ever. In HoN he is considered the shittiest.

Says something about the game quality.

[idanguttsait]

@ancienthostility wtf you talking about dude...

[idanguttsait]

How is riftshard on scout?

[Avramopoulos1]

@idanguttsait bad

[Dante4F8]

@idanguttsait are you kidding me he has a crit chance why would you need another when there are so many items that he needs more

[idanguttsait]

@Dante4F8 idk.. i come from LoL, and crit is what actually makes all the lategame... so for us actually its more crit is better... as long as you have Infinity edge...

[RoonyHD]

@idanguttsait Riftshards wouldn't be the BEST choice to have on scout since his passive grants crits and it doesn't stack. If you did buy riftys the engine simply picks the higher of the two crits and chooses that one. There are better items to buy.

[Hatemeurdead]

1:01 Watch Plague Rider. LOL! :D

[Freedomfoe07]

yes, I do use savage mace for sure!!! It makes things a lot easier.

[DeWarp10]

my mmr is 1754 and i suck with night hound and scout. And i am really good with ophelia... If scout takes no skill to play. and i can't play him. then what am i?

[StalkingShrek]

@DeWarp10 talented

[amosdsaj]

@StalkingShrek Agree

[PoonDestruction]

@ikir14 lol are you serious? wards, slow, silence, disarm.. case rested

[modex20]

flying couriers can reveal wards?

[Stag19921]

@mdbandi120 thanks.

[heath1056]

@Stag19921 Wrong...runed axe first and forest with scout. After you get your lifetube and at least lvl 3 of Vanish you can jungle with absolutely no problem. Aim for a runed axe between 15-20 minute marker. Boots next, then savage mace and/or brutalizer. By 30 mins in, you should be unstoppable and be able to 1-burst any non-tank hero in the game.

[Astrokillernaut]

when you have a scout that 3 hits ur fed predator, ur fucked

[0j9i1r8o5e2s]

842 crit w/ DS's Ultimate = 1 hit critical

[Stag19921]

in the first 20 mins of battle what is the best build for scout and in the late game?

[mdbandi120]

@Stag19921 by first the most common items like ghost marchers then build up to runed ax and brutalizer

[LolWutLikOmgWtfBoom]

a ward either reveals an area without a unit being there, or it can reveal invisible people.

[SuperHoSlapper]

are rift shards good for scout ???

[sarphog]

@SuperHoSlapper He's already got his own crit?

[Thyryst]

@SuperHoSlapper No they don't combine with his Disarm skill. Patches ago it was set to count as a crit, so your best bet from there is to go savage mace to tear through enemies.

[G0ingM3rry]

@SuperHoSlapper I don't know if you will read this, but lv1 riftshards doesn't work much for him. Getting some damages and attack speed first will clearly necessary for him.

If you have 200-250 damages in mid-late game (30-40mins) and your enemies are not so rich, you can use a Lv4 Riftshards to finish any <1,5k HP heroes off in 1 vanish.

[AliFRoXas]

the one who said scout is a support hero , he's totally dumb . haaha

scout kills more than any hero in total XD

[MrChickenwarrior]

I watched this video to laugh, i didn't want to see a serious guide ;-(

[MrNuFlowz]

Best hero in the game No DOubt : Predator!

[NoAde9]

many write that it's a scout noob hero and for him it is easy to play, in fact it is not so! At the beginning of the game for a Scout is very difficult to play, but if you give him a good farm and postaratsya undies, but towards the middle of the game ceases to scout for a major thorn for the opposing team.

[jnssky]

@froireier noob 1300 Psr detected.

[ChrisRokers]

Whats the DotA equivalent?

[Melermometal]

1:55 rofl that was good

[TestedinFlames]

harkons blade is mainly used for people toting a demonic breastplate to bypass the armor completely

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[TestedinFlames]

another luxury build after core is a whispering helm AND abyssal skull for stacked lifesteal finishing with a symbol of rage

[Sheikon666]

@TestedinFlames Buy the cost of the abyssal is 2200 gold.. isnt better just to save a lil more and buy the 3200 axe of the symbol?

[TestedinFlames]

@Sheikon666 there will be situations where that kind of heavy farm can be made almost impossible. the point of the build is to gain the benefits of a lifesteal modifier and aura and the advantage of building the abyssal first is to gain the short term benefits of its components as well as its base dmg increase as well as the benefit to your team, rather than just rushing SoR which only grants minor benefits through modest HP gains in the short term and no team benefits in the long run :(

[ikir14]

@Oblivion4life1 the real reason is that its an easy way to get damage AND allows you to be perma-invis without draining mana.

[lalsaksjdhfggggs]

god i love the music at the end <3

you say that it is from locust toybox but i cant find the song =((

plz tell me/ us  =)

[lalsaksjdhfggggs]

hellflower  =))

[HenkHenkable]

A support hero? Scout? What? Whoever said that must also think Glacius is the most hardcore carry in the game... Jeez

[komun1212]

@HenkHenkable hahah, you should take into a count that nymph is a pro ganker too

[Zyr4n]

its a little out of date, mainly cus you dont have to keep sight for your ulti anymore

[atthir97]

no he have better ulti

[atllmand]

Is Scout like Dota's Gondar?

[wiggybamstar]

@atllmand much worse... trust me..

[No1RockLeet]

@atllmand Only thing similar is his invisibilty.

[InsaneMarcus]

You sure talk a lot :D

[jcdans]

Everytime you pick Scout........ A puppy dies

[Akhtum100]

@jcdans why is that?

[rohitdparia]

@jcdans WHY

[falzarchaos]

@jcdans I am the proud murderer of 47 puppies

[Omgdonut297]

@jcdans But he's so fun ;_;

[zeyn10]

@jcdans than I have killed many, many... many puppies

[jcdans]

@zeyn10 Because you always pick scout... thats why you killed many puppies

[zeyn10]

@jcdans exactly

[matheuswoww]

Peter Griffin:POW RIGHT IN THE KISSER

[nucabird]

ghost marchers is better imo

[g3n3z1d3]

I played Scout on no respawn timer and easy mode

and well it didn't do well

3 Doom Bringers

wahahhahaha

[Akhtum100]

@g3n3z1d3 u die alot right cuz i played it before wahahaha

[g3n3z1d3]

@Akhtum100 hahaha ya but i have lots of money to buy Doom Bringer

[Akhtum100]

@g3n3z1d3 hey why they said every time anyone pick scout a puppy die?

[g3n3z1d3]

@Akhtum100 because scout is the most hater in hon

[RbonStudios]

belive me shrunken is a god for scout being able to not be stunned is awsome.

[jenxmagician]

By watching this video, I improved 100%

-Ryan Lee-

[dead764]

@jenxmagician Same! ive been getting hate messages more often! :D

[linuz011]

Bashing on dane cook? You got my thumbs up! :)

[windtitandeviljaina]

Something you should mention nigma!: Either get electric eye level two or only ward one tablet of the spots, or else you cant use it as silence without losing one of the others.

[Mittinsification]

to be honest I'm not very good at this game but I enjoy laning with a scout :] Always fun to do in SD MM :D!

[serj2by4]

6 people still hate scout

[KlasikalFeeling]

hey, this isn't a troll comment but would spellshards/harkons blade be good luxury items for him? 

[MegaBob711]

@KlasikalFeeling don't ever get harkons on him. Huge waste and completely unnecessary.

[xXSheperdXx]

OMG i thought u guys hated scout .. since he`s always getting fucked in all ure videos

[onewithforce0050]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

[RlceBowl]

ooo dane cook shot lol

[kok989]

I don't know about you guys HON. But in Garena Hon , Scout is like one of the favourite carry for players.

[Mattisamo94]

5:55 QUADKILL!

Awsome guide also.

[JawzTf]

I once got Shieldbreaker for scout as first item. I 4 hitted everyone in their team ^^ 7-10 mins into the game Mhahaha

[luftwaffe789456123]

@Oblivion4life1 i think it is for Damage,Mana&Health Regen,and to Crit more often,it increases your Crit chance to occur by attacking many enemies.

[aDezenT]

@luftwaffe789456123 HAhaha no its doesnt

[ikir14]

what kind of retards think scout is a support hero? wtf?

[aalleezzzz]

@ikir14

reacted to that too, i have never heard anyone say scout is a support hero, maybe if u NEVER have played hon...

[froireier]

@ikir14 The pure reason why he's called scout is because of he's wards and ability to... well scout..... that's why he's a support hero.... he may be a semi carry but that's it....

[Astrokillernaut]

@froireier lmao

[slayerdark0]

@froireier semi carry? lol he can outcarry 80% of the carries in the game

[THEdudeINaSHIRT]

@froireier thats the stupidest thing ive ever read...

[razveck]

@froireier If it wasnt for the fact that his only escape mechanism is easily countered, he would be the best carry in the game easily

[Bollibompa]

@froireier Hahaha, are you trolling tard? Aint funny, just stupid.

[crippe1000]

@ikir14 In closed beta I often saw scout with astrolabe and barrier idol. It was so, fucking, retarded.

[fritagonia]

@ikir14 haha y, who thinks that

[Wollmilchsau1337]

@ikir14 well he supports with a slow and a awesome AoE silence, but that doesnt make him a supporter at all :O i dont get the people either

[BjobirCookie]

Why not brutaliser?

It makes it even more easy to hit the enemy multiple times after breaking invisibility.

Also gives strength and dmg, which is what he need

[RobonPS4]

@BjobirCookie savage mace (just fucking ignore this comment and say its wrong if im not talking righ about the stun on savage mace) do stun too. It's abit higher chance and its pretty annoying when ur hitting fast. Sure its a short stun but having a high attack speed can give it a pretty nice overwhelm of dmg. But you're certanly not wrong, brutalizer is a great item on him.

[BjobirCookie]

Why not brutaliser?

It makes it even more easy to hit the enemy multiple times after breaking invisibility.

Also gives strength and dmg

[amelyn80]

my skillbuild is usually : looger hatchet or how god damn it is his name runed axe steambots (str) and then 2 doombringers and rarely a wingbow ..

[coffeeboy420]

@amelyn80

dbringers is only if ur farm is excellent and they arent countering. ur too squishy to be carrying that weight early game. go straight for runed and steamboots, then i found either sbreaker or s and y works. depending if u need the survivability or if u want pure damage. dbringer is kinda stupid

[Zinodin]

@Oblivion4life1 Runed axe is an all around good item for Scout. Good health and mana regen so he doesn't have to go back constantly. Good damage and splash. He can push lanes late game and it helps for creeping (This is Scout's main income too! Forget running around waiting soulely for KS. You fuck yourself and your team-mates)

[Rempejgus]

What about Steam Boots > Runed Axe > Brutalizer > Savage Mace?

[awren3produtions]

You NEED to get Harkons blade Becuse it Gives magic dammage and u hit like hell Its like cutting threw warm butter with a warm knife xD

[Vaffeles]

theres is really nothing wrong with scout, it's usually the players :p

[Ryodakun]

Brutalizer has nothing to do with crits.

Get your information right.

[RebirthWoWGuild]

* 1500 scout gets a runed axe than a brutalizer than a savage mace * * 400 gpm scout gets one shotted by 150 gpm deadwood *

[Ryodakun]

@RebirthWoWGuild That's why scout does not get a brutalizer or rather "ANY" carry does not get a brutalizer, instead get a shrunken.

[RebirthWoWGuild]

@Ryodakun he will crit for like 800 though so it is good bigger numbers make you win so fuck OFF

[Brandbu94]

Scout might suck, but if everyone watched this guide before playing him the world would have been a better place.

[RebirthWoWGuild]

scout is still fuckin shit, this guide doesn't change anything.

[thenkillyourself]

@RebirthWoWGuild Maybe the problem is you?

[johnpootnose]

I would love some Scout replays by you Nigma.

[4lifesweden]

the thing about sheildbraker is the reduce armor, 6 reduced armor are very much when it comes to scout. i actually tested a lot of items to see whats best for scout and i saw pretty clearly that sheildbraker was the better item. so as i said, the build i have already told you are the best i think, after my test results too.

[r2d2rx]

7:29 shieldbreaker is another way to increase your damage but honestly its kinda redundant because your damage is already gonna be ridiculous and you should now be focusing more on survivability

nah. shieldbreaker and basher. who needs defensive items if your crush them with 3 hits, comon.

[Flyflyfresh]

@r2d2rx your invis isnt perm :(

[Wombse]

harkons is fking awesome for scout. extreme dps when needed :)

[4lifesweden]

And if the game continues u can buy a savage mace, really good item. but after sheildbraker buy brutalizer because of the stunn, important so u can hit them more...

So with the combination of runed axe(mana/health reg + dmg and the possibility to farm a lot), the sheildbrakers dmg and reduced armor and the brutalizers dmg, strenght and stunn u will kinda sure pwn them. (NOT IN PRO MATCH TOUGH). but after that the savagemace will kinda sure screw them up.

So here u got ur second guide^^

[4lifesweden]

actually, in a public its freaking funny to just tear trough peoples. And the items is important and as i said in my other comment i think thats the best way to build scout. But if u shall play him u have to play him right, that means high farm, enter fights in exactly right time and focusing the most important target. but if u dont get a great farm and make the late game happen its will be kinda gg (bigger chance). its not about the scout being carry or support, its about the players/enemies.

[4lifesweden]

I think that scout is a pretty funn hero to play in a public game, farming my ass off in the early game and then come out with steamboots, runed axe and sheildbraker (brutalizer if afford but awsome anyway) = really high nuke dmg. But the thing is that u cant play him in a ranked match. There is so may ways to counter him and with for example pestilence or just a bound eye he will get nuked down. Thats why pro players never play him in ranked matches.

[SpiroNikos]

nice1 m8

[rszdemon]

...i love dane cook...

[CyberMetalOverlord]

@rszdemon so do i but just let it go 

[ChilleDINJerseY]

ty<3 

[blaky039]

Your not very thirsty in this guide...

[blackymon]

The sand is all-consuming!

[densejevictor]

5 scouts bought codex

[3tmil]

im so happy for you! <3

[Mackii007]

Doombringer is more viable on scout than other carries, since you get a massive boost to attackspeed when coming out of stealth, which makes you ideal for this item.

[amelyn80]

yes but scout need hellflower 2 its a very good item

[BEARSlove100]

ahh tis video helped me a lot but i probaly prefer buying STEAMBOOTS and whispering helm its better to me cuz when in a clash lifesteal is very useful

[Vojnik55]

Scout is overpowreded shit and it sux. Srsly 617 crit on 13th lvl??

[harthaljas]

I think the main reason people pick scout and suck with them is not cause they don't know that he is a hard carry, belive me, they do. But rather because they don't know that he can be more then just a straight foreward carry, so usualy noobs tend to run around solo and think they winrarz, and get the whole team killed while they sit in vanish a few yards away.

[herorey465]

scout is like gondar?!?

[Themadhorse]

thing is scout is useless in a aoe

[elgato9o]

@Themadhorse scout can stop the aoe with his silence.. did u even LISTENED to the guide?

[Themadhorse]

@elgato9o moron, any decent team wouldnt be clumped up and get silenced, any nuke hero can take down scout with ease as long as they can see him, others can just CC him.

Also good people will have eye or wards so scout wouldnt have a chance to run up and place a ward.

dont talk to me unles you got 1800+

[elgato9o]

@Themadhorse yes bcuz after he silences he starts attacking and his team will only watch....

u talk like a 1500, go play some publics and come back to me when u r a real 1800+ ! idiot

[SeniorTophat]

@elgato9o

If you're going to talk with the grammar of a 5 year old, go back to school and come back to me when you talk like a real fucking grown-up.

[elgato9o]

@SeniorTophat it took u 3 months to come with this puny excuse of a "comeback"

and u talk about grammar when u've failed urself in ur sentence? hahahaha

Come back to me when you can win more than 3 games/day

[SeniorTophat]

@elgato9o

No, the thing is I don't come onto youtube and be an elitist on every HoN video I see. Again, your grammar and spelling is horrendous. Also, there is no grammatical or spelling errors in my sentence. Go be an elitist HxX pr0 gaymer somewhere else, faghat.

[elgato9o]

@SeniorTophat hahaah elitist? u r the one that started bragging about psr, to start with. o rly, u fail and ur pathetic ego doesnt let u see it as well? niiiice, not gonna stop u there.. keep makin an embarrasment of urself!

too bad u cant be good and must whine at others to feel better, trashface

[SeniorTophat]

@elgato9o

I didn't brag about PSR, you said people with low PSR are trash. GOOD players realize PSR is shit compared to MMR. Either way, 1987 PSR, 2004 MMR. Get your team to scrim us anytime, I'll stomp you.

[elgato9o]

@SeniorTophat hahaha i never did even mention psr nor mmr in this whole video, you headfucked idiot

u started the whole meaningless whining and try to act cool now, but i srsly dont have time for scrubs like u.. go and compare ur internet dicks with someone else

[SeniorTophat]

@elgato9o

You tried using proper grammar in the begginning, but you're just too fucking stupid to keep it going.

Let me see your first comment..."u talk like a 1500, go play some publics and come back to me when u r a real 1800+ ! idiot"

You just told some poor fellow that he's a low PSR and that he sucks...

You are an idiot. You think you're good at HoN. Please stop trying. Also, I sent my friends these comments, thanks for this one, they get a good laugh out of them.