No, Hitler came to power in 1933. First in 1938 the national socialist government changed the old gun laws from 1928, and relaxed them for german citizens. Anyone over 18 could then buy rifles without a permit. Handgun owners had to have a permit, as before, but didn't have to renew it as often (every 3 years instead of 1).
Remember that the United States and allies after WWI forbade ALL germans from buying and owning guns. Hipocracy, anyone?
There are some idiots online who state that gun control didn't allow for the NAZIs to gain and control power. Gun control in 1928 disarmed anyone who could have stopped the NAZIs, you have to remember that criminals don't listent to laws and so the NAZIs did not listen to those laws and they got their hands on weapons. Gun control in 1938 allowed NAZIs to remove from any opposition the ability to put up a fight or resistance.
@kronosgyros Stop lying. The allies after WWI, including USA, forbade ALL germans from buying and owning weapons. Check the gun laws from 1919/20.
The law from 1928 was to relax the earlier law, and included some restrictions to keep the US with allies happy. It was a re-armament, not a disarmament.
1938 the law was relaxed even more. Now every german citizen over 18 could buy a rifle without a permit. Handgun owner still required a permit, but had to renew it less frequently as before.
So now let's talk about who the government thinks is acceptable. in HR45 they want to be able to remove your right to own a gun if you are not psychologically acceptable. So are the 'racists' who oppose socialism not acceptable? Is anyone who wants to defend their rights against the government now crazy?
The Jews were the scapegoats of the NAZIs. Now the 'racists' seem to be the new scapegoat of this modern (national?) socialism that's taken over congress and DC in general.
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
@kronosgyros Well remember that the jewish world organisations declared war on Germany already in 1933. Did the United States allow japanese US citizens to own weapons during WWII? No, they were disarmed and put in concentration camps.
The US still wants to disarm whole countries they don't like.
wrong billburns2, the NAZIs used gun control to put the guns in their hands and take them out of the hands of people who would later become the victims of the socialists. The Germans USED GUN CONTROL, do you understand that. HR45 isn't designed to take guns away from everyone, just to put them in the hands of what the government considers to be acceptable. The germans did this also. So HR45 is similar to NAZI gun control. period. you can't spin around it.
This idea that Hitler passed gun control laws right after he gained power is a myth promoted by the NRA. Hitler passed a law which RELAXED gun controls for ordinary Germans - and he did it five years later.
JPFO gets quite a lot of the details wrong unfortunately. Look it up yourself instead of using pro-gun websites.
Hitler gained power in 1933
The Weapons Act of 1938 repealed a lot of the gun controls that were put in place in 1928 (which were actually designed to stop people like Hilter seizing power by force). So Hitler passed a law that made it EASIER for Germans to own weapons, not harder. It was the US Army who forced civilians to hand over their weapons. Same as in Vietnam, Iraq etc.
Thanks for the information. I did a google search, but I guess the website I found was misinformed like me. It was an independent site with articles on various political subjects, but not pro-gun per se.
However, as I understand it, communist Russia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and China all enacted gun control measures to keep their subjects in line. It is a tool of dictators to oppress hostile factions, even if Hitler didn't choose to employ that particular strategy.
Dictators like gun control as much as any other type of control. The point is that gun control is by no means the only thing that leads to opression / genocide, whatever.
Take Iraq - even under Saddam it was as easy to buy a military grade weapon as it was to buy a watermelon. Maybe not legally but people did it anyway. Did it stop Saddam oppressing the average Iraqi? Not a bit. If you have an army under your control you will always outgun armed civilians.
You are right about gun control not being the only thing that leads to oppression. However, the American Revolution was fought by armed civilians against a military super power. The US didn't have a regular Federal army until the Civil War. The thing about Iraq is they were complacent and the Americans weren't.
If you have enough people who are willing to die for the cause of liberty then an armed rebellion against the military has a chance of succeeding, but it is by no means guaranteed.
It seem's to me that everytime this other guy state's a fact you say its unreliable I think your facts are unreliable thats why everytime gun control come's up in the high court most all the anti gun crap is found to be unconstitutional.
Yes so the Jew's couldn't fight back and they would be given the right with legal abillity to jail them or kill them. But what he said was very similar to a terrorist threat. And people like you are exactly what he talks about. Those who give into political garbage. I always agreed with the NRA. But after I learned about what statement they made. It literally sickened me.
Right now I am planning on getting my college degree with the eventual goal of working for the FBI. My motivation for entering this field was the 9/11 attacks. You don't use the word terrorist to win an argument or to insult someone you disagree with. It's offensive and it spits on the graves of those who have died in real terrorist attacks.
Have you watched the video? It was not even close to a threat. He was discussing the reason the founding fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment.
I tried posting the video response on Horner's video, but he denied the reponse. Coward would not allow my reply because he knew the very video he was talking about would expose his lies for what they are.
Exactly, or put another way "those with the guns make the rules."
The 2nd Amendment is there to give a last ditch option when the government gets totally out of hand. And I'm not saying overthrow the government because a democrat gets elected, I'm saying if someone like Hitler gains power. Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler got elected.
No, Hitler came to power in 1933. First in 1938 the national socialist government changed the old gun laws from 1928, and relaxed them for german citizens. Anyone over 18 could then buy rifles without a permit. Handgun owners had to have a permit, as before, but didn't have to renew it as often (every 3 years instead of 1).
Remember that the United States and allies after WWI forbade ALL germans from buying and owning guns. Hipocracy, anyone?
Gumbypotty 1 year ago
There are some idiots online who state that gun control didn't allow for the NAZIs to gain and control power. Gun control in 1928 disarmed anyone who could have stopped the NAZIs, you have to remember that criminals don't listent to laws and so the NAZIs did not listen to those laws and they got their hands on weapons. Gun control in 1938 allowed NAZIs to remove from any opposition the ability to put up a fight or resistance.
kronosgyros 2 years ago 2
using the caps button for NAZIs doesn't hide who you are Walter. Same MO every time. Same flawed argument. Same layout. Same grammatical errors.
The funniest thing is that you're still convinced that you're a smart guy.
billburns2 2 years ago
@kronosgyros Stop lying. The allies after WWI, including USA, forbade ALL germans from buying and owning weapons. Check the gun laws from 1919/20.
The law from 1928 was to relax the earlier law, and included some restrictions to keep the US with allies happy. It was a re-armament, not a disarmament.
1938 the law was relaxed even more. Now every german citizen over 18 could buy a rifle without a permit. Handgun owner still required a permit, but had to renew it less frequently as before.
Gumbypotty 1 year ago
So now let's talk about who the government thinks is acceptable. in HR45 they want to be able to remove your right to own a gun if you are not psychologically acceptable. So are the 'racists' who oppose socialism not acceptable? Is anyone who wants to defend their rights against the government now crazy?
The Jews were the scapegoats of the NAZIs. Now the 'racists' seem to be the new scapegoat of this modern (national?) socialism that's taken over congress and DC in general.
kronosgyros 2 years ago
[from Weapons Act of 1938]
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Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
kronosgyros 2 years ago
@kronosgyros Well remember that the jewish world organisations declared war on Germany already in 1933. Did the United States allow japanese US citizens to own weapons during WWII? No, they were disarmed and put in concentration camps.
The US still wants to disarm whole countries they don't like.
Gumbypotty 1 year ago
wrong billburns2, the NAZIs used gun control to put the guns in their hands and take them out of the hands of people who would later become the victims of the socialists. The Germans USED GUN CONTROL, do you understand that. HR45 isn't designed to take guns away from everyone, just to put them in the hands of what the government considers to be acceptable. The germans did this also. So HR45 is similar to NAZI gun control. period. you can't spin around it.
kronosgyros 2 years ago 2
Hi Walter. Love your new account. It's..um...just like all the others.
I can see that you even have a special file for all your cut'n'paste stuff 'cos it has the same typos. LMFAO
ccr5/humanshit/ilsefuckingut/etc etc.
Now lets all watch as you spam this out. You sad little fucker.
billburns2 2 years ago
This idea that Hitler passed gun control laws right after he gained power is a myth promoted by the NRA. Hitler passed a law which RELAXED gun controls for ordinary Germans - and he did it five years later.
billburns2 2 years ago
Wrong. The Nazi Weapons Act was passed in '38. And that's from the JFPFO not the NRA.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
JPFO gets quite a lot of the details wrong unfortunately. Look it up yourself instead of using pro-gun websites.
Hitler gained power in 1933
The Weapons Act of 1938 repealed a lot of the gun controls that were put in place in 1928 (which were actually designed to stop people like Hilter seizing power by force). So Hitler passed a law that made it EASIER for Germans to own weapons, not harder. It was the US Army who forced civilians to hand over their weapons. Same as in Vietnam, Iraq etc.
billburns2 2 years ago
I did look it up. It enacted federal registration of firearms owners, a waiting period for purchases, and licensing.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
Wrong.
Long arms were no longer required to be licensed.
The period of licence was extended from 1 to 3 years
The legal age for ownership was lowered to 18
The groups of people who were exempt from any permit was expanded.
Sounds like Hitler was actually a gun-friendly guy
billburns2 2 years ago
And why should I trust you? You have a link that shows the actual bill.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
You shouldn't trust me.
You should do your own research. It's YOUR quote in YOUR video, so the onus is on YOU to be accurate (at least if you want to be taken seriously)
The full Act is about 12 pages long and you can get a certified translation from National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA.
There are a few websites that will give you the gist of it (try to look for the academic ones rather than sites with a pro or anti agenda).
The German word is Waffengesetz
billburns2 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. I did a google search, but I guess the website I found was misinformed like me. It was an independent site with articles on various political subjects, but not pro-gun per se.
However, as I understand it, communist Russia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, and China all enacted gun control measures to keep their subjects in line. It is a tool of dictators to oppress hostile factions, even if Hitler didn't choose to employ that particular strategy.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
Yes and no.
Dictators like gun control as much as any other type of control. The point is that gun control is by no means the only thing that leads to opression / genocide, whatever.
Take Iraq - even under Saddam it was as easy to buy a military grade weapon as it was to buy a watermelon. Maybe not legally but people did it anyway. Did it stop Saddam oppressing the average Iraqi? Not a bit. If you have an army under your control you will always outgun armed civilians.
billburns2 2 years ago
You are right about gun control not being the only thing that leads to oppression. However, the American Revolution was fought by armed civilians against a military super power. The US didn't have a regular Federal army until the Civil War. The thing about Iraq is they were complacent and the Americans weren't.
If you have enough people who are willing to die for the cause of liberty then an armed rebellion against the military has a chance of succeeding, but it is by no means guaranteed.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
It seem's to me that everytime this other guy state's a fact you say its unreliable I think your facts are unreliable thats why everytime gun control come's up in the high court most all the anti gun crap is found to be unconstitutional.
bikenut63 2 years ago
Yes so the Jew's couldn't fight back and they would be given the right with legal abillity to jail them or kill them. But what he said was very similar to a terrorist threat. And people like you are exactly what he talks about. Those who give into political garbage. I always agreed with the NRA. But after I learned about what statement they made. It literally sickened me.
zagorith14 2 years ago
Right now I am planning on getting my college degree with the eventual goal of working for the FBI. My motivation for entering this field was the 9/11 attacks. You don't use the word terrorist to win an argument or to insult someone you disagree with. It's offensive and it spits on the graves of those who have died in real terrorist attacks.
Have you watched the video? It was not even close to a threat. He was discussing the reason the founding fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
I tried posting the video response on Horner's video, but he denied the reponse. Coward would not allow my reply because he knew the very video he was talking about would expose his lies for what they are.
MSL209 2 years ago
Yep, doesn't surprise me. And you can bet he would cry bloody murder about the First Amendment being trampled if a Conservative did that to him.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
"Oppressors can tyrannize only
when they achieve a standing
army, an enslaved press, and a
disarmed populace."
- James Madison
JMehrman 2 years ago
Exactly, or put another way "those with the guns make the rules."
The 2nd Amendment is there to give a last ditch option when the government gets totally out of hand. And I'm not saying overthrow the government because a democrat gets elected, I'm saying if someone like Hitler gains power. Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler got elected.
strangenewworlds 2 years ago
I could not agree with you more.
JMehrman 2 years ago