Wow! Mooneys fly by-the-numbers, and that was anything but... I'm glad there was no prop-strike, but jeeze... Even in a C172 that should have been a go-around, and the Skyhawk would have been better suited to handle it. Anything as "slippery" as a Mooney should consider a stabilized approach. Glad to see everyone came out of it okay, and hopefulle a learning experience for the pilot. Maybe even a submission to AOPA Magazine's "Never Again" section?
As a Mooney pilot, I recognized the high and hot quite a ways out. You can't goose a Mooney in--not enough drag in the airframe and rubber puck landing gear. Definite go-round...
Any idea what the winds speeds/direction were that day? Not sure I would've used a Mooney for this field, as I havent been able to pull it off on a simulator.
Great video but yes we all know it should have been a go around. Very lucky ot to have damaged a great plane. The one thing you should never do is force a mooney onto the ground. I alwys find a good tip is to deploy the speed brakes if fitted to dirty the aircraft just after the back wheels touch and get rid of the flaps quick too, it definately helps. See my sturgate landing on a short runway in my 252. Just search my username.
low wings also create ground effect causing the plane to float longer over the runway. after not touching down way past the threshold , I would have went around.
reminds me of some of my first landings with my instructor. but we always went around. he would never let me try sticking a landing that short....... om my god your lucky!!!!!!!!!
I love how everyone likes to pretend they'd never make a mistake like this. You've all got perfect judgment and perfect skill.
Everyone has done something stupid or dangerous and had a close call they hopefully learned something from. If you deny this you're lying - and if you actually believe your own lies, God help you.
Actually, I've never ballooned that far down a runway, I've ballooned (who hasn't?), but not like that. The closest to an accident I've ever been in is when I was following two 152's on final that just sort of came out of nowhere...
Touching down beyond the halfway point isn't good, and is a very preventable mistake. This pilot just resigned to getting the airplane down no matter what, which is hazardous. I could tell he was going to be high and fast when he was still 1 mi out. The other problem is that runways like this have visual illusions that can keep you high on the approach. Either way, if you're not going to get it down on the first 1/3 of the runway, it's time to go around.
Keep in mind...this is NOT ME flying the airplane!
Mooneys are extremely slippery: that's why they're so fast. You can have flaps down, speed brakes out, and if you haven't started your descent far enough out, you are still going to come in high and hot.
i've never flown anything other than a 172... and i understand coming in hot, thats definately excusable.. but thats a missed approach by anyone's standards.. that should've been a go around.
Great video!..There is nothing wrong taking a Mooney in there, and Mooneys handle crosswinds at least as good as anything else I have flown. It's all in the planning, gotta hit your altitudes and your speeds, especially your speeds as they are VERY slippery.
Easy to see from the armchair quarterback position, too high-too fast. Keep learning, keep flying.
My 65E Mooney is a beautiful flying machine. Mooney makes a GREAT aircraft.
terrible from start to finish. just terrble; Mooneys aren't great xwind airplanes; you should have gone around and gone somewhere else. I hope you learned from this experience; you're very lucky to not be injured
too high and too fast - obvious from 4-500 m out with plenty of time - especially with short runway and tall obstructions and ? load on climbout. Judgement error. Instant go around and possibly land elswhere
I wanted to see how long this runway was, so looked up diagrams for Whidbey Island and found that it is a NAVAL AIR STATION with two concrete runways 8000 feet long.
It appears this runway is 2500-3000 feet long, and it is certainly not KNUW. Doesn't look like KOKH either. Does anyone know what airfield this really is?
glad it ended safe...as a 15 year 201 pilot, I would say that I have gotten into many sea level <1500ft fields, but watching this video puckers me up, way too high/hot coming in, even w/ the turbulence. To the cessna folks (i learned in one): don't let this video leave you with the wrong impression.
I've landed at this strip several times in a 172. A waste, but hopefully a lesson learned. Also, it isn't easy to go around here, high trees on the opposite side of the runway make it a real pain to abort when you get low, but he should have expected this outcome early on in his final.
Yeah, i can see how the go around would be difficult, but still, they are in a mooney, they have a lot more power than a 172. they had plenty of time to know that they were hot and high before entering the treeline. There is an airport where i live that is small like that. I've had some close calls, but still, thinking ahead of the airplane is crucial. If you're comming in fast, and your high, you either go around, or do what these guys did. I just hope they aren't near me when i am flying.
And people wonder why I drive a Cessna... A half way decent 172 pilot would have floated down on full flaps at 65mph, flared into a full stall landing and hit the numbers then spent the next minute or so taxing and talking about where to grab lunch.
a halfway decent mooney pilot would have flown it by the #s - which this guy obviously didnt - executed a prompt go-around, landed WITHOUT incident an hour AHEAD of the Cessna, and spend the next hour wondering why anyone would fly anything BUT a Mooney!
for those of you commented about removing flaps above runway and then saying "You'd drop like a stone". In-correct, i am a real mooney pilot, if you have any experience with the type you'll know that the flaps take about 10-20 seconds to fully retract from full, if he was below VFE he could easily retract flaps to get him onto the deck sooner, and still safely. This pilot is inexperienced and lacks the knowledge of his aircraft,
fools I am a real pilot and at the beginning of the runway a go around should have been executed. Too high and too fast morons what a wate of a nice plane that would have been.
wow landing 2/3 down the runway,should have done a go around.very poor unstablized approach.watch that next time or your going to hurt that wonderful mooney...atp pilot
applying full aft does increase brakeing not to mention counteract the reduced clearance between the prop and runway under heavy breaking, u cld put flap up only once on the runway, any earlier and you'd drop lick a stone onto the deck, not a good idea.
however yes the go-around should have been initiated long before reaching the tree line.
in short, by adding one pound of lift downward with the tail during braking, you're adding significantly more than one pound of weight on the mains.
if you don't believe me, try pushing the stick forward next time you're braking. why does performance suffer? because you're lifting weight off the mains by making upward lift, and also using the tail to act as a lever, moving weight from the mains to the nose.
when the brakes are applied, they generate a nose-down pitching moment. just slam on the brakes in a car, or on a bike. same in a plane.
this transfers the weight forward onto the nosewheel (no brakes on a nosewheel). less weight on the mains means less braking potential. by applying downward lift with the tail, not only are you adding weight to the mains, but because that downward lift is so far aft, you're also taking weight off the nosewheel.
This guy obviously was in the "land" mindset, to the point where there were 200 feet left of runway, and because of the trees and his remaining speed, he no longer had the opportunity to go around. He did run off the runway at the end, but it's a miracle he didn't wreck the airplane.
When a pilot says OH SHIT! near the ground, theyre really saying the pilots prayer:
Dear Lord, I seek your help at this troubled time, humbly admitting that it was my lack of judgment that has placed me and my passengers in harm's way. Many times, I have ignorantly trespassed into your sky with the cocky attitude that it was my skill and not your mercy carrying me through. I call on your mercy now to save us from becoming (not unlike barbequed wings) extra-crispy & wrapped in aluminum. Amen
I'm the one who posted this video here. I need to make a clarification.
Lest anyone think that I was the moron attempting this landing, please let me inform everyone that no, this is not me. I would have abandoned the approach before even reaching the clearing before the threshold. I've flown high-performance Mooneys before, and am very familiar with their slippery fly-all-day personalities.
you should've gone around when you got unstabilized (as the lift was encountered on about a 1/2 mile final, still above the trees)
you should've gone around when you realized your touchdown point was at its most optimistic point, halfway down an already short runway in a plane well-known for its runway-pig nature in the hands of the inexperienced or inattentive.
No it doesnt. Full aft elavater increases the angle of attack there for lift and less weight on the wheels for braking. Also on a short strip and for max braking drop the flap just on round out.
elevator full aft results in the best braking. this is not rocket science:
fact: the pressure of the tyres against the ground is the sum of the A/C weight minus the total lift of the aircraft.
fact: at rest, the sum of the weight on the wheels is the weight of the aircraft. less nosewheel weight means more main gear weight; the same total weight with a different balance.
Don't do that again!! You learned your lesson and got away with it this time. Hell, I won't even try and put it down in a Super Cub if I'm that fast and that far down....
Terrible Judgment call! He tries to loose altitude by lowering the nose thus gaining airspeed. Go around or side slipe!
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gizmomulanPiper 4 months ago
Was anyone else screaming "GO AROUND" in their head while watching this?
AlanAshton 9 months ago
"wegot it," We got it? "GOOD!!!"
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psneves 1 year ago
I liked the "OH SH#T" moment!
psneves 1 year ago
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VENOMOH 1 year ago
Wow! Mooneys fly by-the-numbers, and that was anything but... I'm glad there was no prop-strike, but jeeze... Even in a C172 that should have been a go-around, and the Skyhawk would have been better suited to handle it. Anything as "slippery" as a Mooney should consider a stabilized approach. Glad to see everyone came out of it okay, and hopefulle a learning experience for the pilot. Maybe even a submission to AOPA Magazine's "Never Again" section?
VENOMOH 1 year ago
As a Mooney pilot, I recognized the high and hot quite a ways out. You can't goose a Mooney in--not enough drag in the airframe and rubber puck landing gear. Definite go-round...
dtmspam 1 year ago
i would say go around but as a pilot i know that in that kinda situation u just wanna have it over with and if gas is an issue, ohh boy
DontSkrewWitMe 2 years ago
wow amazing
thepigboystudios 2 years ago
0:58 OMMG!
guilhermerrrr 2 years ago
Kept waiting for the go around.... Lucky SOBs
airmann700 2 years ago
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canuckbabe80 2 years ago
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Stellsit 2 years ago
Any idea what the winds speeds/direction were that day? Not sure I would've used a Mooney for this field, as I havent been able to pull it off on a simulator.
jbird0168 2 years ago
Great video but yes we all know it should have been a go around. Very lucky ot to have damaged a great plane. The one thing you should never do is force a mooney onto the ground. I alwys find a good tip is to deploy the speed brakes if fitted to dirty the aircraft just after the back wheels touch and get rid of the flaps quick too, it definately helps. See my sturgate landing on a short runway in my 252. Just search my username.
debiassi 3 years ago
Can anyone tell me what airport this ? I play FSX .
ridedirtba 3 years ago
did you do a fly by to check the wind sock?
low wings also create ground effect causing the plane to float longer over the runway. after not touching down way past the threshold , I would have went around.
reminds me of some of my first landings with my instructor. but we always went around. he would never let me try sticking a landing that short....... om my god your lucky!!!!!!!!!
heyman422 3 years ago
I love how everyone likes to pretend they'd never make a mistake like this. You've all got perfect judgment and perfect skill.
Everyone has done something stupid or dangerous and had a close call they hopefully learned something from. If you deny this you're lying - and if you actually believe your own lies, God help you.
jakeharvey 3 years ago 4
Actually, I've never ballooned that far down a runway, I've ballooned (who hasn't?), but not like that. The closest to an accident I've ever been in is when I was following two 152's on final that just sort of came out of nowhere...
EXAir113 2 years ago
Touching down beyond the halfway point isn't good, and is a very preventable mistake. This pilot just resigned to getting the airplane down no matter what, which is hazardous. I could tell he was going to be high and fast when he was still 1 mi out. The other problem is that runways like this have visual illusions that can keep you high on the approach. Either way, if you're not going to get it down on the first 1/3 of the runway, it's time to go around.
wrxpilot 2 years ago
stupid pilot. He will be worm food someday.
Lamorock 3 years ago
aaaaarrrrghhhh - dont do that!
markmimp 3 years ago
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing... You are very lucky
Mintee94 3 years ago
what the f*** were you thinking? definately should've been a go around.. did you touch the flaps at all?
mitgolden76 3 years ago
Keep in mind...this is NOT ME flying the airplane!
Mooneys are extremely slippery: that's why they're so fast. You can have flaps down, speed brakes out, and if you haven't started your descent far enough out, you are still going to come in high and hot.
gsmac1969 3 years ago
i've never flown anything other than a 172... and i understand coming in hot, thats definately excusable.. but thats a missed approach by anyone's standards.. that should've been a go around.
exciting video though.. i like it
mitgolden76 3 years ago
@gsmac1969 That is correct and it happens everydday when someone doesn't plan their let down or enroute descent
RogerDeanSmart 1 year ago
Great video!..There is nothing wrong taking a Mooney in there, and Mooneys handle crosswinds at least as good as anything else I have flown. It's all in the planning, gotta hit your altitudes and your speeds, especially your speeds as they are VERY slippery.
Easy to see from the armchair quarterback position, too high-too fast. Keep learning, keep flying.
My 65E Mooney is a beautiful flying machine. Mooney makes a GREAT aircraft.
AMooneyPilot 3 years ago
Ok thats just foolish to fly a mooney into a place like that.
BBFjetboat 3 years ago
terrible from start to finish. just terrble; Mooneys aren't great xwind airplanes; you should have gone around and gone somewhere else. I hope you learned from this experience; you're very lucky to not be injured
jgarzilli 3 years ago
LOL..time for some new underwear
NOSMOJEFF 3 years ago
Horrible you should have planned you decent! Horrible landing! The pilot needs to go back to school!
Ethiopianpilot101 3 years ago
No he doesn't, that could happen to anyone.
EXAir113 2 years ago
No!
berndl 2 years ago
.... and im a doc who flies and i could see that ending coming!
markmimp 3 years ago
too high and too fast - obvious from 4-500 m out with plenty of time - especially with short runway and tall obstructions and ? load on climbout. Judgement error. Instant go around and possibly land elswhere
markmimp 3 years ago
i would have said shit too
anishnemlekar 4 years ago
I wanted to see how long this runway was, so looked up diagrams for Whidbey Island and found that it is a NAVAL AIR STATION with two concrete runways 8000 feet long.
It appears this runway is 2500-3000 feet long, and it is certainly not KNUW. Doesn't look like KOKH either. Does anyone know what airfield this really is?
bodybager 4 years ago
the name of this field is whidbey identifier is w10
DaquanJ 4 years ago 2
Poor judgement...
fxdwings 4 years ago
glad it ended safe...as a 15 year 201 pilot, I would say that I have gotten into many sea level <1500ft fields, but watching this video puckers me up, way too high/hot coming in, even w/ the turbulence. To the cessna folks (i learned in one): don't let this video leave you with the wrong impression.
hillndale57 4 years ago
ouch!!! learning the hard way in aviation is really harsh on your wallet
sicchevelle8 4 years ago
That pilot must have been a doctor.
bodybager 4 years ago
hahaha Yep...
fxdwings 4 years ago
I've landed at this strip several times in a 172. A waste, but hopefully a lesson learned. Also, it isn't easy to go around here, high trees on the opposite side of the runway make it a real pain to abort when you get low, but he should have expected this outcome early on in his final.
MixtureRich 4 years ago
Yeah, i can see how the go around would be difficult, but still, they are in a mooney, they have a lot more power than a 172. they had plenty of time to know that they were hot and high before entering the treeline. There is an airport where i live that is small like that. I've had some close calls, but still, thinking ahead of the airplane is crucial. If you're comming in fast, and your high, you either go around, or do what these guys did. I just hope they aren't near me when i am flying.
krabiyan 4 years ago
And people wonder why I drive a Cessna... A half way decent 172 pilot would have floated down on full flaps at 65mph, flared into a full stall landing and hit the numbers then spent the next minute or so taxing and talking about where to grab lunch.
codewarrior78411 4 years ago
HA!!! Preach on, Bruthah! Preach ON! (wild applause from the Cessna gallery inserted here.)
jaybob44 4 years ago
a halfway decent mooney pilot would have flown it by the #s - which this guy obviously didnt - executed a prompt go-around, landed WITHOUT incident an hour AHEAD of the Cessna, and spend the next hour wondering why anyone would fly anything BUT a Mooney!
jimbobuddy 4 years ago
What's the first thing a pilot wants to? Build Hours. What's the first thing a pilot does? Fly the FASTEST aircraft he can afford.
codewarrior78411 4 years ago 2
thanks for sharing your adventure.
josephdupont 4 years ago
for those of you commented about removing flaps above runway and then saying "You'd drop like a stone". In-correct, i am a real mooney pilot, if you have any experience with the type you'll know that the flaps take about 10-20 seconds to fully retract from full, if he was below VFE he could easily retract flaps to get him onto the deck sooner, and still safely. This pilot is inexperienced and lacks the knowledge of his aircraft,
Rodnoneous45aylmore 4 years ago
fools I am a real pilot and at the beginning of the runway a go around should have been executed. Too high and too fast morons what a wate of a nice plane that would have been.
auppy91 4 years ago
you're a real pilot, not a fake one?
sm00thflyer 4 years ago
wow landing 2/3 down the runway,should have done a go around.very poor unstablized approach.watch that next time or your going to hurt that wonderful mooney...atp pilot
carpetcleaner69 4 years ago
you crazy bastards, very lucky!
siantrigg 4 years ago
Righteous.
nehan455 5 years ago
applying full aft does increase brakeing not to mention counteract the reduced clearance between the prop and runway under heavy breaking, u cld put flap up only once on the runway, any earlier and you'd drop lick a stone onto the deck, not a good idea.
however yes the go-around should have been initiated long before reaching the tree line.
2c spent
c172pr 5 years ago
blind...crzy ..and stupid..they heared about "go around" ?
nimrob 5 years ago
in short, by adding one pound of lift downward with the tail during braking, you're adding significantly more than one pound of weight on the mains.
if you don't believe me, try pushing the stick forward next time you're braking. why does performance suffer? because you're lifting weight off the mains by making upward lift, and also using the tail to act as a lever, moving weight from the mains to the nose.
in4merATP 5 years ago
when the brakes are applied, they generate a nose-down pitching moment. just slam on the brakes in a car, or on a bike. same in a plane.
this transfers the weight forward onto the nosewheel (no brakes on a nosewheel). less weight on the mains means less braking potential. by applying downward lift with the tail, not only are you adding weight to the mains, but because that downward lift is so far aft, you're also taking weight off the nosewheel.
in4merATP 5 years ago
...continued...
This guy obviously was in the "land" mindset, to the point where there were 200 feet left of runway, and because of the trees and his remaining speed, he no longer had the opportunity to go around. He did run off the runway at the end, but it's a miracle he didn't wreck the airplane.
gsmac1969 5 years ago
When a pilot says OH SHIT! near the ground, theyre really saying the pilots prayer:
Dear Lord, I seek your help at this troubled time, humbly admitting that it was my lack of judgment that has placed me and my passengers in harm's way. Many times, I have ignorantly trespassed into your sky with the cocky attitude that it was my skill and not your mercy carrying me through. I call on your mercy now to save us from becoming (not unlike barbequed wings) extra-crispy & wrapped in aluminum. Amen
bodybager 5 years ago
Hi everyone,
I'm the one who posted this video here. I need to make a clarification.
Lest anyone think that I was the moron attempting this landing, please let me inform everyone that no, this is not me. I would have abandoned the approach before even reaching the clearing before the threshold. I've flown high-performance Mooneys before, and am very familiar with their slippery fly-all-day personalities.
gsmac1969 5 years ago
so, what happened?
you should've gone around when you got unstabilized (as the lift was encountered on about a 1/2 mile final, still above the trees)
you should've gone around when you realized your touchdown point was at its most optimistic point, halfway down an already short runway in a plane well-known for its runway-pig nature in the hands of the inexperienced or inattentive.
in4merATP 5 years ago
pull the flap off and have the elevater neutral for best braking.. Aslo slower aproach work well too.
pomadom 5 years ago
elevator full aft results in the best braking.
in4merATP 5 years ago
No it doesnt. Full aft elavater increases the angle of attack there for lift and less weight on the wheels for braking. Also on a short strip and for max braking drop the flap just on round out.
pomadom 5 years ago
elevator full aft results in the best braking. this is not rocket science:
fact: the pressure of the tyres against the ground is the sum of the A/C weight minus the total lift of the aircraft.
fact: at rest, the sum of the weight on the wheels is the weight of the aircraft. less nosewheel weight means more main gear weight; the same total weight with a different balance.
in4merATP 5 years ago
lil high and hot, jesus h! couldnt see see he had 200 feet of rwy left when he was touching down.. !!
kvuo 5 years ago
Morons like this are killing general aviation!
fmd1 5 years ago
Don't do that again!! You learned your lesson and got away with it this time. Hell, I won't even try and put it down in a Super Cub if I'm that fast and that far down....
jrussell4711 5 years ago
Wow great vid ... every fiber of my being was screaming "GO AROUND!" well before he touched down. He was lucky - this time.
Crashman2 5 years ago
hahaha
wewpster 5 years ago