look at man ? He is so small that the wind could blow him away . But yet he talks boldly Before the throne of God . Find me one man that is perfect and i will believe in him . But why should i follow a man that is no greater then i am ? But yet this same man has no power over death . But you follow him like his has power . But yet the truth is he has none . And one day death will come . And he will show man what power realy is . We have to wake up and understand long words will not save you ?
Wow, she really missed the point at the end there.... It's absolutely valid to label a president a Mormon president, as it's his choice in way of thinking/living/etc.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible. Papacy cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
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Not make any difference anyway? Squandering my life over some crackpot idea that people pulled perhaps literally out of their ass is a huge difference than me just living my life how I want to. Fuck Pascal's wager.
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I just noticed that interviews done by this reporter and by the one at Canada AM were really respectful and let him speak his full. Unlike some others... Bill O'reilly....
@OhmgrownCron It's because Canadian news is respectful to all opinions, much like your liberal news channels. It's only really fox and a few anchors on CNN that make me angry about your country's news, but don't worry, rational folk like yourself are on the rise in your country. Canada has a lot of morons in the population (hence our majority conservative prime-minister) but things will be changing in a few years time. Canadian conservative vs USA conservative is a big difference though....
I think the fact that he is so well mannered and easy to speak with is exactly why the faithful hate him so much. No one cares about the guy in black leather, tattoos from head to toe, because he is less likely to sway someone to his manner of thinking, specifically someone of a ruling class.
Dawkins is always so kind to everyone. Even to all of the people he debates. He's so polite and well mannered I wonder what he says when somebody sneezes!
If you want to understand where religion comes from....check out the movie "The invention of lying"...pretty funny. Show it to your Christian freinds Hahahaha~!
who are your parents ? they was just a way for you to get here . so it took sperm to make you but who put life in that sperm ? isnt it like frankenstein ! you have the body but you need something to bring that body to life . so your parents gave you the body threw sperm . but were did the life come from ? so i think it,s finaly time to shut you down we ben at it to long . can science take a dead body and bring it back to life .NO .so were dose the life source come from . by !
@thinkalott33 Haha. You're the idiot who believes in a devil. Tell me, does he have the horns and the tail and all that crap? Hahaha. Poor little superstitious fool.
@fdasherv no ! the bible say he looks like a dragon . And he has 3 heads . With 6 horns . But do it realy matter .Look around and see the evil . That is all the proof i need .Look at the world to to day . Or is that just a dream ? The earth is getting sick from the nasty lies and sin we throw up in the air . You have summer days in the winter , And winter like weather in the summer . Or tell me am i dreaming? there is now a earth Quake every 2 weeks . Or is it all in my head ?
Hm, when I think about it... I've never believed in God, even as a child. Since I can remember, I've been reading books about space and science which my parents bought me (first I just liked the pictures, then I learned to read and begun to understand things). My mother is a Catholic and she tried to introduce me to her faith, but it didn't work out very well. As a kid, I used to challenge the r.ed. teachers and considered their stories as a bunch of fairy-tales.
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i think dawkins is turning into a bit of a has-been. i could be wrong. perhaps people are more interested in christopher hitchens and his health lately. but dawkins seems to talk about the same few things over and over again, hitchens always seems to have a new exciting argument.....William Lane Craig has also done a pretty good job making Dawkins look rediculous lately. Somebody needs to silence Craig once and for all.
I have not seen a more profoundly polite, restrained , clever, respectful, generous in sharing knowledge, humble and philanthropic Atheist as Richard Dawkins. And people call him rude, how outrageous.
Intellectuals think they now it all, we,ll see who's right. I would rather be average intelligence that so egotistical. They act like we said my God is the only way, I follow God because he has so much to offer now and in the after. What a creep.
@burly636 Its not the intellectuals its the Religious priests and authorities who say "they know it all". If you are dumb(average intellectual in your words) its fine, Dawkins didnt say anything against you. He actually is humbled and mentions that" there is no proof to disprove God" when he is himself an atheist, its humbleness not intellectual arrogance.And btw on that point whats the evidence of "God giving you more, in this and after life" delusions and hallucinations?
Are there ANY atheists out there who don't like Dawkins? Even if he does bring up some good arguments, his pompousness and arrogance is unbearable - particularly his view of ALL religious people as categorical idiots. People like this are what I call overeducated morons.
Lol 'overeducated'. Yes, there are plenty of atheists who don't like Dawkins' approach. If you find him pompous or arrogant though, that's just because he's disargeeing with you. I imagine if he was disagreeing with something else, communism for example, you probably wouldn't say that. By calling him arrogant, you're falling exactly into the point he makes about the respect religion is expected. Come up with a better complaint!
Children are indoctrinated since birth and THEY SHOULD BE, like it or not. If children were not indoctrinated to learn that raping, killing, disrespecting others is wrong, they'd never see it as something bad. The parents teach the kids what THEY think is right - that is what a parent's responsibility is, to teach the kid right, and if the parents think their religion is right so be it so. The definition of "right" now may be subjective depending upon the parent.
@trident3b care to explain why? typical atheist response: "you are stupid", "you dumb fairytale-believing creationist". btw are you in high school by any chance?
@retroguy02 OK, then I'll explain; You take the liberty of saying "Children are indoctrinated since birth and THEY SHOULD BE, like it or not". You can't seem to understand the difference between education and indoctrination. Indoctrination is chiefly distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. Morals such as not to kill or rape etc. are part of normal upbringing. Not indoctrination.
@trident3b who are you to suggest what is normal or not? the parents teach their kids what THEY think is right or wrong, so if the parents think their religion is right, they have every right to impose that upon their children just like they impose morals and manners upon them. how a parent thinks a child should be brought up is entirely subjective upon their beliefs, and it's ridiculous to expect a single "proper" way of how parents should bring up their children.
@retroguy02 Clearly I have no "right" to determine what is "normal or not". This should be a free world. However I agree with Dawkins drift since he argues against what is almost painfully obviously incorrect "indoctrination" based on strong belief rather than facts that can be proved. I have a daughter, I have not driven any sort of religon into her. As she got older she asked all the right questions and I answered with evidence where I could, and said that some things can't yet be answered.
@trident3b what's "indoctrination" to you is "the truth" to someone else and vice versa, so please don't use Dawkins' arrogant one-faced approach towards it. how you raise your daughter and what she ends up believing in is your business and hers.
@retroguy02 con't; and more importantly she has automatically developed high moral standards by herself without some sort of religion to supply religious morals (which of course it doesn't in many cases!!). E.g. at the age of 4 years old she wouldn't dream of harming her pets or anything and continues to maintain high moral standards and values. I needed no bibles or iditotic religions to convey these moral values, and I certainly conducted no acts of indoctrination to achieve this.
@retroguy02 the religions that exist to date on this planet contain hideous suggestions of evil to mankind. A scripture, like the bible, that suggests I should have my kids stoned to death by the eldest in the village if my child is unruly, or the killing of "infidels" in other scriptures, is quite simply sick and outrageous. This is all driven and produced by religious individuals. I maintain my position.
@trident3b you act like you've studied all religions there are. maybe thats the case with christianity (im not christian), but that's exactly my problem with atheists in general and dawkins in particular - they assume all religions are alike fairytales when their knowledge of religions is mostly limited to the one they were raised with, or a deep understanding of two or other three religions at maximum. whatever happened to your 'evidence and proof before making rational judgment now'.
@retroguy02 cont. the irony is that atheists bash religion because it is "narrow-sighted and dogmatic", when their own attitude isn't much different from that.
@trident3b cont. if you do want to make a judgment on the religion you were raised with, just say that "these are the beliefs i was raised with and they never made any sense to me so i don't believe in that, but i don't know much about all other religious beliefs out there so i won't pass judgment on them" - that is a balanced, fair and rational judgment, but then that would make you agnostic not atheist. atheism by its very definition is incredibly generalizing and narrow-sighted.
@retroguy02 I don't want to dominate this blog with you, suffice to say that atheists or agnostics want proof. What's wrong with that? Anything else is a either an unfounded statement, or worse, simply a story made up by others, and all religions seem to demand that these stories are to be accepted, without question. If I said to you carpets fly, just accept it, what would you say? Your comments strike me as the result of successful indoctrination upon you, and you support it blindly at all cost
@trident3b How can you want proof for anything you don't even know about to begin with? You may want proof for your (presumably) Christian beliefs and you don't believe in them, and that's fine, but why assume the same for all religions? It's like me saying I want proof that electrons exist but I don't know the definition of an electron. Atheists always say that anyone who does not agree with them is 'indoctrinated' when they themselves are indoctrinated by people like Dawkins. Irony much?
@retroguy02 You talk like every atheist I've come across - their attitude is no different than those of religious people when it comes to their beliefs, i.e. they're always right, everyone else is an idiot. Religion has been there since the beginning of recorded humanity - to expect it to just "go away" isn't just ridiculous, but it is an utter disgrace to the arts and humanities that humans have so beautifully created, a lot if not most of them with at least some influence by religion.
something that has been around for a long time doesn't make it right. Saying 1+1=3 "is right" is not going to change into being right in a few 1000 or trillions of years. No one knew how to fly for some 10.000 years or whatever. It took this long to find out. And it has taken a few 1000 years to realise that just about all religions are gruesomely flawed. Arts within that period have nothing to do with this. The arts and beautiful texts will remain, but, that doesn't make them true or right!
@trident3b cont. I for one can't imagine a world without religion and believe that people should learn to be tolerant of each other - regardless of difference in beliefs. Religious people's proof are their holy books, and in fact, in many religions the holy books do contain scientific explanations that were only discovered centuries later (of course, as an atheist, I fully expect you to deny this because you've never read anything other than the bible, assuming you're an ex-christian).
@ScientificBob The right to teach something ('freedom of speech' is what youre looking for I think) and the right to do something are two completely different things. the parents do have the right to say that to their children, just as atheists have the right to teach their children that all religious folks are idiots who believe in fairytales. acting it out is another issue (I'm against it) - and with today's media the children do have the resources to be able to decide for themselves
@trident3b I do agree though, that if the children do not agree with what they were brought up, they should be able to make their own mind. and in the developed world, where most information is only a click away, that is not hard at all.
no, when a religion is wrong, it's just wrong, because it was never based on evidence in the first place. when einstein showed that newton's laws don't hold to be exactly the same for all points of reference scientists didn't run around calling newton a liar. newton's laws still hold, given that the object is travelling much slower than the speed of light.
that's what he's talking about. continual improvement and modification. obviously you're intellectually unequipped to understand that.
@Rhodri0110 no, it was addressed to you, and you ARE quite obviously unequipped. first you demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of what dawkins said, then you had the nerve to call him not very bright. beyond that, you don't believe people don't label their children by religions?
trust me, i went to a fairly liberal catholic school. in 5th grade someone transfered from a public school -- he was a lutheran. i have to be honest, i was sort of afraid of him at first.
@rysw19 and it was because i knew he was a lutheran, and i had been taught my whole life, you need to be catholic. so don't tell me kids aren't labeled. you're just dead wrong.
Question: are you in America, because if so I am not in the same country.
However, I may be seeing a lot of the same problems.
Dawkins is NOT very bright if he continues to label and insult people.
I have seen people call me mentally unequipped before. I take offense. If you want to communicate and fix a problem, do not make that very serious mistake unless you make it very clear what you are doing from the outset.
I have myself encountered the public private problem.
@Rhodri0110 i certainly am in america. you obviously have a very ltd experience of your own country, because every one of my cousins has been labelled a "catholic child" or a "christian (protestant) child". protestants don't seem to understand that catholics are christians, too.
Oh dear - big mistake. I have had very good experience of being in this country.
If I have never heard anyone label me with any religion.
That sounds like "Dancing in Memphis."
It is certainly better to entertain doubt of your own superiority - if you truely think you understand what you are seeing on a TV programme like Hey Hey its Saturday and you think you know about culture, religion or the bible.
Especially if they move the show to Wednesday night.
@Rhodri0110 i never said your experience with this country wasn't negative... i
m saying that if you don't believe that children are labelled by the religion of their parents in society you're dead wrong. any child is considered a christian as soon as it is baptized.
@Rhodri0110 it's not a mystery if you assume they were two of literally hundreds of preachers & "miracle workers," from bronze age palestine and they were probably schizophrenics. (it strikes as odd that miracles are so commonplace in the bible. i've never seen, or heard, of a legit one.)
@Rhodri0110 p.s. my view of the world is based on research, thought, and experience. i don't even watch t.v. i'm also quite sure i know more than you about culture, religion, and the bible. i've read the bible twice through, once a catholic bible, once the king james.
let's see... you probably believe matthew, mark, luke, and john wrote the gospels, don't you? every credible historian knows that they were written at least a generation after jesus' death (if there really was such a person).
But I damn well KNOW a certain book of the Bible was written after Revelations (the last book?!!!!!!!), if it is mainly a criticism to it and the results of predicting the future.
Do not ask illegitmate questions to distract from the important ones.
Because THAT makes what Dawkins does god-damn smell bad.
@Rhodri0110 the fact that none of the gospels are primary sources doesn't mean anything? what standard of evidence do you use. i'd be more likely to believe mohammad flew from mecca to jerusalem over night on a flying horse; at least we can be pretty sure he DID exist.
@Rhodri0110 let me ask you something. have you ever met a christian who wished it wasn't true, but couldn't help but accept it bc of the evidence? never. now, how many million atheists are there in the world who do not believe, but wish they could (for eternal life, a loving heavenly father, etc).
@Rhodri0110 idk what revelations has to do with anything. jesus promises in the bible he will be back in the lifetime of his desciples; st. paul dies believing this, and he himself writes it into scripture. shouldn't you give up waiting?
@Rhodri0110 also, who does dawkins label inappropriately? who does he insult unnecessarily?
i called you unequipped insofar as you are ignorant of the facts; you may in fact be an intelligent person, but you are nonetheless ill-informed. what i was getting at is that you have no right to criticize someone on a topic you know next to nothing about, especially a person of mr. dawkins background.
I thinks that's a very good point: Children should be allowed to choose their own path. Telling them 'this way is right' is just unfair because it's basically against basic human rights like freedom of choice and thinking. If they choose christianity, islam or whatever it's fine because they found it through their own mind.
Pretty much. Which is a paradox in itself, for a religious person should believe that the gods gave us this big brain for a goal, as part of a grand design. Oddly, they are in fact the ones who attack those of us who put this brainpower to use by fingerpointing, namecalling to outright murder.
Regardless of the angle you approach it from, religion never makes any kind of sense. I thus conclude that it is a state of mind closely related to delussional thinking, or worse, insanity.
Is the Jesus they teach about suffering for eternity in the hell he invented? No, hes experiencing a blissful lifestyle in heaven. What did he give up to save mankind?...........nothing.
Christ suffered torment and death at the hands of wicked men he came to save. The cruelty of the cross is that Christ was sinless and did not deserve any of it...mankind (the sinner) deserved it all, but He took our place.
@markpianoman don't you think god could've come up with a better way to forgive sins than to commit a human sacrifice? he doesn't sound like a very pleasant god to me.
@rysw19 God is the epitome of love -- to offer Himself as a sacrifice for your sin debt. A more holy and just God does not exist - He is the epitome of love and justice...according to the Word of God the Bible.
I think another reason for Christian belief is the "power" of the Gospels---i.e. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They portray a Jesus character with a lot of magnetism who by performing miracles convinces others that our experience limited to Cause and Effect Materialism cannot be extrapolated to all events.
God wants viruses to evolve and kill millions. God also would like more earthquakes and tsunamis. Not satisfied with just slaughtering millions god would like some children to be born with serious birth defects. But he is a loving god and don't you forget it.
NO...all of that is simply the product of sin and the curse which fell on mankind through disobedience.
God loves each of us more than anybody could. Therefore he provided a way to reconciliation through the death of his son who took our place...who took the punishment we deserved! YES, this IS LOVE!
Oh naughty man built by god. I think there may be a degree of responsibility on the designer. The excuse of freewill is dubious because peoples ability to cope with details is pretty variable especially when we consider the disabled. You can't make strawberry jam out of pigshit and you cant build a religion in survival mode. The idea of original guilt was destroyed by the realization of evolution. First it was proved by fossils and then soundly confirmed by the genetic code.
@samten54 There have been many "realizations" and "confirmations" within "science" which later have to be changed. The Bible is the only book of truth which does not need updating -- because it is truth. Any "current" belief proposed by the "science" community will eventually come into adjustment that is in alignment with what the Bible states. Visit the Creation Museum in Kentucky for a glimpse of truth and absorb all that your dark mind can!
The scientific method is designed to eliminate human influence and emotion from the results. Over years and as research continues more knowledge is gained and our understanding grows. This is in contrast to the concrete and backward world views of the religious who at at pains to keep science from proving their Bronze Age book was written by people who knew nothing of the world. Disneyland has more reality than the Creation Museum.
@samten54 sorry -- but those are grand inaccurate claims. That Bronze Age book may have been written by men "who knew nothing of the world" (which is a rather far-fetched claim) but it was given to them through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. There is no other explanation how a book which is a collection of some 66 smaller books could have such unity of purpose written by 40 authors over a span of some 1,500 years - miraculous!
A cult that grows and survives for thousands of years is not at all surprising. Have you ever heard of the Cargo cults of Melanesia? 60 religions started independently as a way for islanders to explain aircraft dropping supplies in WW2. The cults spread quickly and are now deeply intrenched in Melanesian culture. Christianity is no different. People were even slaughtered for doubting Christianity for most of its history. Parents indoctrinate their young. It's a perfect trick.
@samten54 You must be a former Catholic -- your previous references to "Christians" who tortured people for using telescopes to look at the stars, and this current reference to "slaughtering people for doubting Christianity for most of its history -- NONE OTHER than the Catholic Church. It is a big mistake to include the DARK history of the Catholic Church as anything Christian. True believers in the Lord Jesus Christ who were born again would never engage in such horrors.
@samten54 Wrong again! There have always been true believers who had nothing to do with catholicism. Catholics have ceremony and no true faith in the risen Christ and his atoning work at the cross. It was Catholics who persecuted true believers! The Catholic Church required people to pay money for salvation from hell when the Bible teaches the "free gift" of salvation through faith in Christ...therefore they had to keep the Bible from the people -- a very dark history indeed!
Well then which sect of Christianity houses the 'true believers' then? And samten54 is correct, all modern Christian faiths came from the original Catholic religion.
But really its irrelevant because the Bible has been updated many many times, and any evidence of divine influence has yet to be found. Christianity is just one of the countless numbers of religions throughout history, so I don't really see why we should favor it just because it's the one our parents taught us.
@sam4084 You sound like a typical Catholic....or rather former Catholic. It's only Catholics who believe the notion that "all modern Christian faiths came from the original Catholic religion." Get into the Word of God (Bible) to find truth apart from churches. It's interesting how the "Bible has been updated many many times" as you say, but yet the text is true to the dead sea scrolls manuscripts. Or are you looking for excuses to throw it all out so you have no God to answer to in eternity?
@markpianoman Doesnt matter if you are part of a curch or not, if you believe things without a good reason for it, (evidence for example), than you are a deluded person.
And you should rethink about basicly everything.
Start like that: Your basic idea should be "All religions are wrong!!!"
than you start investigating about everysingle relgion there is, and search fpr evidence. Once you did that, you can choose wich to worship, everything else, would be gambling.
Bash people with unsubstantiated fears and threats of suffering. That and restricting knowledge is the way cults survive. Did you know that the telescope was developed as a tool of war for European armies but when a man used it to look at the stars the Christians arrested him?
Those were FOR SURE not true Christians who arrested the first man who used a telescope to look at stars -- they were probably Catholics -- who as far as I'm concerned are not true Christians at all...they're just religious, and turn into the best atheist around because they've never experienced salvation -- not part of their screwed-up doctrine.
It isn't just Catholics who believe that Catholicism was the original Christian church, historians, archaeologists, and anyone with a brain will tell you the same thing. They will also tell you that the bible has been altered more times than we can count and then they'll tell you that most if not all of the stories in it are both physically and historically impossible.
And you never really got around to telling me which sect of Christianity belongs to the "true believers"
@sam4084 When you have to throw around insults such as "anyone with a brain will tell you the same thing" then that ALONE brings everything you say into question. My whole point of my earlier postings is that true believers are those who believe in a salvation experience and attempt to following the instruction provided in the Bible...as opposed to the Catholic church and most of the denominations. "True believers" are INDIVIDUALs...NOT a specific church or denomination!
So if each Christian's level of 'true belief' is measured by their individual merit, then why do you say that all Catholics aren't true believers ("they were probably Catholics -- who as far as I'm concerned are not true Christians at all...")? I mean it hardly seems fair to say that there has never been a decent Catholic guy, hell I'm atheist and I don't think that's fair. But hey this is all based on the assumption that the Bible even has a shred of truth in it, which I'm not buying.
"true believers are those who believe in a salvation experience and attempt to following the instruction provided in the Bible"
And would these so called true believers allowed to pick and choose what teachings to follow? Say, follow the nice things and close their eyes to the condoning of slavery etc.
@byteresistor it's impossible to "follow the instruction provided by the bible" from the start. it contradicts itself. that's why it can be used to justify nearly any position. (e.g. the bible, originally, was the leading case for slavery; it was later used to justify the civil wights movement, often from the exact same books.)
@markpianoman that's all well and good, but it doesn't change that believers are choosing to base their lives around ancient superstions from bronze age palestine, for which there is no evidence.
@markpianoman wow. learn english. i was saying that there isn't any evidence for the superstitions. notice the appositive comes after what it is describing.
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Truth is, christians, not even within the evangelical branch, can't even agree in the correct interpretation of every verse in the Bible. And if your God does exist and he isn't mute, then he is an indifferent cold blooded God that let all those innocent people died just because the RCC wasn't able to guess what you call "the correct interpretation."
Dying is not the worst thing that could happen to anybody...we have all eternity to live and are not here on the earth for long...whether we live 20 or 90 years. ONLY and evil RCC would kill people for what they believe. True born-again Christians would never do that. The worst thing that could happen to anyone is to reject the Savior and spend eternity in torment.
I'm not afraid of hell, knowledge has made me impervious to such threats. If there are no atoms, there are no flames, if we go to hell as spirits (spirits= no matter=no atoms) then what will the flames burn? If you claim the flames in hell burn anyway, then all I can do is laugh. I fear no threats from someone who believes in magical fire.
The threats are not from me but from the Word of God.
The Bible says that "The wisdom of man is foolishness with God." I wouldn't be so sure that I've got hell figured out with men's wisdom and explanation of how it can't exist. Men have also beautifully explained God out of existence in spite of all the unending cosmos and evidence around us. Reconsider before it's too late. And look for a true Bible-believing church and forget the RCC. Or just start seeking God by reading the Bible.
As I said, anyone that threatens me with magical fire is unworthy of my attention, even, AND SPECIALLY, if its the Bible itself. Whether or not the Bible is really the word of God is something you take on faith, the same faith which I don't share anymore for many reasons. There is no way anyone can prove to anybody the Bible is the word of God.
Reading the Bible is what made me loose faith. That book is crazy and just because we live in a gigantic universe doesn't give anyone "proof" of god. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean some "god" created it.
Sam here, I was brought up in Catholicism. Never really questioned it, realize i couldn't be bothered, didn't want to feel like that seeing as if I don't I spend an eternity in hell.
Read Genesis and saw illogical design within the first book.(if he knows everything, and that means everything, and the future, when he made Adam, he would know the future of humanity).
I don't believe God gave me logic only for him to ignore it.
Actually, that sort of belief is why christian belief is dangerous."Why bother trying to make the most out of this life, we have a better life after this one!" I'm a former evangelical, and I've heard that plenty of times from members of my family AND members of the church I used to assist. Now that I don't believe in heaven, I understand why that sort of belief can be destructive.
Col.1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
Science doesn't deal with proof. Richard Feynman said that he had different certainties about different things but not absolutely sure about anything, as a scientist.
Well said! Only mathematicians prove things, like Dawkins said.
So unless God is a mathematical conjecture, don't ask for a disproof.
Pascal's challenge brought up at the beginning is false. Which god do you hedge your bets with? Hindi gods? Greek gods? Judeo-christian god? >Well Christian god. OK, which form of Christianity? Protestantism? Catholicism? Orthodox? etc etc
How do you choose? Why spend ur entire life subservient to one god u choose arbitrarily...when it is just as possible that the Egyptian gods were real?!? That is why Pascal's challenge doesn't work, and Atheism is a viable choice
Nah... i just feel that i must be able to justify my decisions in my life such as faith so that even if religion were true... i would not regret as much.
How can you justify faith? (I don't mean to sound condescending but faith is believing in something that you have no good reason to do so) You say that 'even if religion were true'...the problem with Pascal's challenge is 'WHICH religion?' There are about 10000 separate religions in the world - now they can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong.
exactly so that they cant be all right. im currently a buddhist. and the teachings within it makes almost perfect sense to me. i do not believe in eternal punishment or the other but i do believe in things such as rebirth and good and bad karma (action and reaction) and that makes sense to me. im speaking for myself here and what im saying is that i can justify why i have faith in such things but unfortunately the comment box is not big enough for me to explain my justification.
look at man ? He is so small that the wind could blow him away . But yet he talks boldly Before the throne of God . Find me one man that is perfect and i will believe in him . But why should i follow a man that is no greater then i am ? But yet this same man has no power over death . But you follow him like his has power . But yet the truth is he has none . And one day death will come . And he will show man what power realy is . We have to wake up and understand long words will not save you ?
thinkalott33 1 month ago
Wow, she really missed the point at the end there.... It's absolutely valid to label a president a Mormon president, as it's his choice in way of thinking/living/etc.
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Richard Dawkins has higher IQ than God
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@cheatdath Everyone has a higher IQ than God!
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
you can`t proove that santa claus doesn`t exist!!!
magicthunder666 5 months ago
Not make any difference anyway? Squandering my life over some crackpot idea that people pulled perhaps literally out of their ass is a huge difference than me just living my life how I want to. Fuck Pascal's wager.
mistereveready 5 months ago
I wish he had addressed the presenter citing the logically invalid Pascal's wager. Maybe he will later in another part.
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TheServiceWeb 7 months ago
I just noticed that interviews done by this reporter and by the one at Canada AM were really respectful and let him speak his full. Unlike some others... Bill O'reilly....
OhmgrownCron 7 months ago
@OhmgrownCron It's because Canadian news is respectful to all opinions, much like your liberal news channels. It's only really fox and a few anchors on CNN that make me angry about your country's news, but don't worry, rational folk like yourself are on the rise in your country. Canada has a lot of morons in the population (hence our majority conservative prime-minister) but things will be changing in a few years time. Canadian conservative vs USA conservative is a big difference though....
torontoBluejays87 6 months ago
I think the fact that he is so well mannered and easy to speak with is exactly why the faithful hate him so much. No one cares about the guy in black leather, tattoos from head to toe, because he is less likely to sway someone to his manner of thinking, specifically someone of a ruling class.
skywize 8 months ago
Dawkins is always so kind to everyone. Even to all of the people he debates. He's so polite and well mannered I wonder what he says when somebody sneezes!
Erichleep 8 months ago 12
If you want to understand where religion comes from....check out the movie "The invention of lying"...pretty funny. Show it to your Christian freinds Hahahaha~!
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who are your parents ? they was just a way for you to get here . so it took sperm to make you but who put life in that sperm ? isnt it like frankenstein ! you have the body but you need something to bring that body to life . so your parents gave you the body threw sperm . but were did the life come from ? so i think it,s finaly time to shut you down we ben at it to long . can science take a dead body and bring it back to life .NO .so were dose the life source come from . by !
thinkalott33 11 months ago
@thinkalott33 I'm sorry what?
TokenStudios 6 months ago
@thinkalott33 I think I've found the stupidest person on the internet!
fdasherv 4 months ago
@fdasherv And i think i found the devils son ?
thinkalott33 4 months ago
@thinkalott33 Haha. You're the idiot who believes in a devil. Tell me, does he have the horns and the tail and all that crap? Hahaha. Poor little superstitious fool.
fdasherv 4 months ago
@fdasherv no ! the bible say he looks like a dragon . And he has 3 heads . With 6 horns . But do it realy matter .Look around and see the evil . That is all the proof i need .Look at the world to to day . Or is that just a dream ? The earth is getting sick from the nasty lies and sin we throw up in the air . You have summer days in the winter , And winter like weather in the summer . Or tell me am i dreaming? there is now a earth Quake every 2 weeks . Or is it all in my head ?
thinkalott33 4 months ago
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@thinkalott33 "Or is it all in my head ?"
It's all in your head.
fdasherv 4 months ago
@thinkalott33 yes, all that is true, and yet 90% of the people believe in god...
sinachiniforoosh 1 month ago
Hm, when I think about it... I've never believed in God, even as a child. Since I can remember, I've been reading books about space and science which my parents bought me (first I just liked the pictures, then I learned to read and begun to understand things). My mother is a Catholic and she tried to introduce me to her faith, but it didn't work out very well. As a kid, I used to challenge the r.ed. teachers and considered their stories as a bunch of fairy-tales.
That's why I don't get faith.
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shieldsff 9 months ago
@Winner8501 me too, and those colorful science books is what you should grow up your child with, not fairy tales...
sinachiniforoosh 1 month ago
that woman has a very unpleasant voice
SteveDutchy 1 year ago
Fanny queeffer??
bobnelly 1 year ago
@bobnelly nice.
paulosham1 11 months ago
i think dawkins is turning into a bit of a has-been. i could be wrong. perhaps people are more interested in christopher hitchens and his health lately. but dawkins seems to talk about the same few things over and over again, hitchens always seems to have a new exciting argument.....William Lane Craig has also done a pretty good job making Dawkins look rediculous lately. Somebody needs to silence Craig once and for all.
Freethinker12341 1 year ago
What a genuinelly nice polite pleasent chap Richard seems.. i find it funny people hate him so much.
mattyrm 1 year ago 44
@mattyrm I agree, he really is a nice and friendly person many religious people overlook.
BearKlaw 10 months ago
@mattyrm They hate what he says and project that onto him. Plus, people tend to read arrogance into crisp, smart speech with an english accent.
Nemesis000000 1 month ago
I have not seen a more profoundly polite, restrained , clever, respectful, generous in sharing knowledge, humble and philanthropic Atheist as Richard Dawkins. And people call him rude, how outrageous.
sushanalone 1 year ago 2
christians - lol.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
Fanny... ^^
Kan2209 1 year ago
Intellectuals think they now it all, we,ll see who's right. I would rather be average intelligence that so egotistical. They act like we said my God is the only way, I follow God because he has so much to offer now and in the after. What a creep.
burly636 1 year ago
@burly636 Its not the intellectuals its the Religious priests and authorities who say "they know it all". If you are dumb(average intellectual in your words) its fine, Dawkins didnt say anything against you. He actually is humbled and mentions that" there is no proof to disprove God" when he is himself an atheist, its humbleness not intellectual arrogance.And btw on that point whats the evidence of "God giving you more, in this and after life" delusions and hallucinations?
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone Ok, your chioce
burly636 1 year ago
@burly636
"They act like we said my God is the only way"
A lot of religious people DO say that. Indeed, I'm willing to bet your holy book does as well, it's a pretty common theme in religion.
Vire70 1 year ago
"I think people who don't like to think are compelled by religion" i had to pause and laugh my ass off to that. funniest shit ever!
jtincubus 1 year ago
mentally deficient people believe in god
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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE SENDS HIS ONLY CHILD ( DAWKINS) TO FREE PEOPLE FROM HIS SLAVERY
waseem336 1 year ago
Are there ANY atheists out there who don't like Dawkins? Even if he does bring up some good arguments, his pompousness and arrogance is unbearable - particularly his view of ALL religious people as categorical idiots. People like this are what I call overeducated morons.
retroguy02 1 year ago
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Anon12356 1 year ago 16
@Anon12356. It's Dawkins, not "Dawkings"
333Centaur 1 year ago
@retroguy02
Lol 'overeducated'. Yes, there are plenty of atheists who don't like Dawkins' approach. If you find him pompous or arrogant though, that's just because he's disargeeing with you. I imagine if he was disagreeing with something else, communism for example, you probably wouldn't say that. By calling him arrogant, you're falling exactly into the point he makes about the respect religion is expected. Come up with a better complaint!
chebob2009 1 year ago
About childhood indoctrination:
Children are indoctrinated since birth and THEY SHOULD BE, like it or not. If children were not indoctrinated to learn that raping, killing, disrespecting others is wrong, they'd never see it as something bad. The parents teach the kids what THEY think is right - that is what a parent's responsibility is, to teach the kid right, and if the parents think their religion is right so be it so. The definition of "right" now may be subjective depending upon the parent.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 your remark is excruciatingly stupid. You have quite some growing up to do as well as finding some decent education while you're at it.
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b care to explain why? typical atheist response: "you are stupid", "you dumb fairytale-believing creationist". btw are you in high school by any chance?
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 OK, then I'll explain; You take the liberty of saying "Children are indoctrinated since birth and THEY SHOULD BE, like it or not". You can't seem to understand the difference between education and indoctrination. Indoctrination is chiefly distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. Morals such as not to kill or rape etc. are part of normal upbringing. Not indoctrination.
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b who are you to suggest what is normal or not? the parents teach their kids what THEY think is right or wrong, so if the parents think their religion is right, they have every right to impose that upon their children just like they impose morals and manners upon them. how a parent thinks a child should be brought up is entirely subjective upon their beliefs, and it's ridiculous to expect a single "proper" way of how parents should bring up their children.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 Clearly I have no "right" to determine what is "normal or not". This should be a free world. However I agree with Dawkins drift since he argues against what is almost painfully obviously incorrect "indoctrination" based on strong belief rather than facts that can be proved. I have a daughter, I have not driven any sort of religon into her. As she got older she asked all the right questions and I answered with evidence where I could, and said that some things can't yet be answered.
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b what's "indoctrination" to you is "the truth" to someone else and vice versa, so please don't use Dawkins' arrogant one-faced approach towards it. how you raise your daughter and what she ends up believing in is your business and hers.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 con't; and more importantly she has automatically developed high moral standards by herself without some sort of religion to supply religious morals (which of course it doesn't in many cases!!). E.g. at the age of 4 years old she wouldn't dream of harming her pets or anything and continues to maintain high moral standards and values. I needed no bibles or iditotic religions to convey these moral values, and I certainly conducted no acts of indoctrination to achieve this.
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b "idiotic religions" spoken like the bigot that you are.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 the religions that exist to date on this planet contain hideous suggestions of evil to mankind. A scripture, like the bible, that suggests I should have my kids stoned to death by the eldest in the village if my child is unruly, or the killing of "infidels" in other scriptures, is quite simply sick and outrageous. This is all driven and produced by religious individuals. I maintain my position.
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b you act like you've studied all religions there are. maybe thats the case with christianity (im not christian), but that's exactly my problem with atheists in general and dawkins in particular - they assume all religions are alike fairytales when their knowledge of religions is mostly limited to the one they were raised with, or a deep understanding of two or other three religions at maximum. whatever happened to your 'evidence and proof before making rational judgment now'.
retroguy02 1 year ago
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retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 cont. the irony is that atheists bash religion because it is "narrow-sighted and dogmatic", when their own attitude isn't much different from that.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@trident3b cont. if you do want to make a judgment on the religion you were raised with, just say that "these are the beliefs i was raised with and they never made any sense to me so i don't believe in that, but i don't know much about all other religious beliefs out there so i won't pass judgment on them" - that is a balanced, fair and rational judgment, but then that would make you agnostic not atheist. atheism by its very definition is incredibly generalizing and narrow-sighted.
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 I don't want to dominate this blog with you, suffice to say that atheists or agnostics want proof. What's wrong with that? Anything else is a either an unfounded statement, or worse, simply a story made up by others, and all religions seem to demand that these stories are to be accepted, without question. If I said to you carpets fly, just accept it, what would you say? Your comments strike me as the result of successful indoctrination upon you, and you support it blindly at all cost
trident3b 1 year ago
@trident3b How can you want proof for anything you don't even know about to begin with? You may want proof for your (presumably) Christian beliefs and you don't believe in them, and that's fine, but why assume the same for all religions? It's like me saying I want proof that electrons exist but I don't know the definition of an electron. Atheists always say that anyone who does not agree with them is 'indoctrinated' when they themselves are indoctrinated by people like Dawkins. Irony much?
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 You talk like every atheist I've come across - their attitude is no different than those of religious people when it comes to their beliefs, i.e. they're always right, everyone else is an idiot. Religion has been there since the beginning of recorded humanity - to expect it to just "go away" isn't just ridiculous, but it is an utter disgrace to the arts and humanities that humans have so beautifully created, a lot if not most of them with at least some influence by religion.
retroguy02 1 year ago
something that has been around for a long time doesn't make it right. Saying 1+1=3 "is right" is not going to change into being right in a few 1000 or trillions of years. No one knew how to fly for some 10.000 years or whatever. It took this long to find out. And it has taken a few 1000 years to realise that just about all religions are gruesomely flawed. Arts within that period have nothing to do with this. The arts and beautiful texts will remain, but, that doesn't make them true or right!
trident3b 1 year ago
@retroguy02
Look up the definition of "argumentum ad populem"
chebob2009 1 year ago
@trident3b cont. I for one can't imagine a world without religion and believe that people should learn to be tolerant of each other - regardless of difference in beliefs. Religious people's proof are their holy books, and in fact, in many religions the holy books do contain scientific explanations that were only discovered centuries later (of course, as an atheist, I fully expect you to deny this because you've never read anything other than the bible, assuming you're an ex-christian).
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 So if parents are neo-nazi's who think all jews deserve to die, you'ld defend their right to teach that to their children?
ScientificBob 1 year ago
@ScientificBob The right to teach something ('freedom of speech' is what youre looking for I think) and the right to do something are two completely different things. the parents do have the right to say that to their children, just as atheists have the right to teach their children that all religious folks are idiots who believe in fairytales. acting it out is another issue (I'm against it) - and with today's media the children do have the resources to be able to decide for themselves
retroguy02 1 year ago
@retroguy02 1. Freedom of speech is NOT absolute. NO freedom of ANYTING is absolute.
2. so you'ld be a ok with a madrassa in your street where they teach muslim children that all non-muslims are dogs who deserve to die in a jihad?
ScientificBob 1 year ago
@trident3b I do agree though, that if the children do not agree with what they were brought up, they should be able to make their own mind. and in the developed world, where most information is only a click away, that is not hard at all.
retroguy02 1 year ago
This annoying bitch needs to take a shit...her voice suggests she is full of it. >_>
Hermoor 1 year ago
"people who don't like thinking very much can find religion appealing" hahahah
H1PBS 1 year ago
Looks like the weather channel.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@DSD1v57BG32 idk what your weather channel looks like, but mine is much better than this. lol
rysw19 1 year ago
The interviewer seems so uncomfortable.
mercy35687 1 year ago
STOP RELIGION!
Freethinker12341 1 year ago
SO are religions an ongoing social scientific experiments wherein we advance by being wrong, Mr Dawkins? Hmmm.
If you are not very bright?????? If you do not like thinking?????? I have never heard anyone talk about "a Christain child" etc.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
no, when a religion is wrong, it's just wrong, because it was never based on evidence in the first place. when einstein showed that newton's laws don't hold to be exactly the same for all points of reference scientists didn't run around calling newton a liar. newton's laws still hold, given that the object is travelling much slower than the speed of light.
that's what he's talking about. continual improvement and modification. obviously you're intellectually unequipped to understand that.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19
I do not know why this came up as a reply to me, as it does not seem to be addressed to me.
If it is, never accuse someone of being intellectually unequipped unless they have truely given you evidence of it.
If it is not, ignore that comment, it is not addressed to you but to someone else, probably.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 no, it was addressed to you, and you ARE quite obviously unequipped. first you demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of what dawkins said, then you had the nerve to call him not very bright. beyond that, you don't believe people don't label their children by religions?
trust me, i went to a fairly liberal catholic school. in 5th grade someone transfered from a public school -- he was a lutheran. i have to be honest, i was sort of afraid of him at first.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19 and it was because i knew he was a lutheran, and i had been taught my whole life, you need to be catholic. so don't tell me kids aren't labeled. you're just dead wrong.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19
Question: are you in America, because if so I am not in the same country.
However, I may be seeing a lot of the same problems.
Dawkins is NOT very bright if he continues to label and insult people.
I have seen people call me mentally unequipped before. I take offense. If you want to communicate and fix a problem, do not make that very serious mistake unless you make it very clear what you are doing from the outset.
I have myself encountered the public private problem.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 i certainly am in america. you obviously have a very ltd experience of your own country, because every one of my cousins has been labelled a "catholic child" or a "christian (protestant) child". protestants don't seem to understand that catholics are christians, too.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19
Oh dear - big mistake. I have had very good experience of being in this country.
If I have never heard anyone label me with any religion.
That sounds like "Dancing in Memphis."
It is certainly better to entertain doubt of your own superiority - if you truely think you understand what you are seeing on a TV programme like Hey Hey its Saturday and you think you know about culture, religion or the bible.
Especially if they move the show to Wednesday night.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 i never said your experience with this country wasn't negative... i
m saying that if you don't believe that children are labelled by the religion of their parents in society you're dead wrong. any child is considered a christian as soon as it is baptized.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19
Which is interesting, because although it might be recognised by men (?), but I am not sure whether God considers it legitimate.
I do no know why any Christian would refuse to recognise John the Baptist.
If that was supposedly part of Christ's legitimacy.
And it is a mystery why John recognised him after so many years if they were cousins, and also why John woul be unsure as to his legitimacy?
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 it's not a mystery if you assume they were two of literally hundreds of preachers & "miracle workers," from bronze age palestine and they were probably schizophrenics. (it strikes as odd that miracles are so commonplace in the bible. i've never seen, or heard, of a legit one.)
rysw19 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 p.s. my view of the world is based on research, thought, and experience. i don't even watch t.v. i'm also quite sure i know more than you about culture, religion, and the bible. i've read the bible twice through, once a catholic bible, once the king james.
let's see... you probably believe matthew, mark, luke, and john wrote the gospels, don't you? every credible historian knows that they were written at least a generation after jesus' death (if there really was such a person).
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19
No, I do not assume this.
But I damn well KNOW a certain book of the Bible was written after Revelations (the last book?!!!!!!!), if it is mainly a criticism to it and the results of predicting the future.
Do not ask illegitmate questions to distract from the important ones.
Because THAT makes what Dawkins does god-damn smell bad.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 the fact that none of the gospels are primary sources doesn't mean anything? what standard of evidence do you use. i'd be more likely to believe mohammad flew from mecca to jerusalem over night on a flying horse; at least we can be pretty sure he DID exist.
rysw19 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 let me ask you something. have you ever met a christian who wished it wasn't true, but couldn't help but accept it bc of the evidence? never. now, how many million atheists are there in the world who do not believe, but wish they could (for eternal life, a loving heavenly father, etc).
rysw19 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 idk what revelations has to do with anything. jesus promises in the bible he will be back in the lifetime of his desciples; st. paul dies believing this, and he himself writes it into scripture. shouldn't you give up waiting?
rysw19 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110 also, who does dawkins label inappropriately? who does he insult unnecessarily?
i called you unequipped insofar as you are ignorant of the facts; you may in fact be an intelligent person, but you are nonetheless ill-informed. what i was getting at is that you have no right to criticize someone on a topic you know next to nothing about, especially a person of mr. dawkins background.
rysw19 1 year ago
@Rhodri0110
Hey - I do take part of that back - I heard it later on an American clip on Youtube.
Rhodri0110 1 year ago
I thinks that's a very good point: Children should be allowed to choose their own path. Telling them 'this way is right' is just unfair because it's basically against basic human rights like freedom of choice and thinking. If they choose christianity, islam or whatever it's fine because they found it through their own mind.
Severtized 1 year ago
haha! so people who don't like thinking very much may like religion.
deadeaded 1 year ago
Pretty much. Which is a paradox in itself, for a religious person should believe that the gods gave us this big brain for a goal, as part of a grand design. Oddly, they are in fact the ones who attack those of us who put this brainpower to use by fingerpointing, namecalling to outright murder.
Regardless of the angle you approach it from, religion never makes any kind of sense. I thus conclude that it is a state of mind closely related to delussional thinking, or worse, insanity.
GluttonForSex 1 year ago 15
Is the Jesus they teach about suffering for eternity in the hell he invented? No, hes experiencing a blissful lifestyle in heaven. What did he give up to save mankind?...........nothing.
samten54 2 years ago
Christ suffered torment and death at the hands of wicked men he came to save. The cruelty of the cross is that Christ was sinless and did not deserve any of it...mankind (the sinner) deserved it all, but He took our place.
markpianoman 2 years ago
@markpianoman don't you think god could've come up with a better way to forgive sins than to commit a human sacrifice? he doesn't sound like a very pleasant god to me.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19 God is the epitome of love -- to offer Himself as a sacrifice for your sin debt. A more holy and just God does not exist - He is the epitome of love and justice...according to the Word of God the Bible.
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"I'm an atheist with respect to the Judeo-Christian God, because there is not a shred of EVIDENCE in favor of the Judeo-Christian God."
~ Richard Dawkins
...Dawkins, that's because you have not visited my channel.
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 years ago
Dawkins is a dumb-ass.
Atheists are crazy people on the fringe of society.
just4you2see2009 2 years ago
@just4you2see2009
Religionists are crazy people in the core of society.
Atheists are rationalists on the fringe.
Nemesis000000 2 years ago
I challenge you to take an IQ test and see exactly who's the dumbass...
ohgrx 2 years ago
Whats with the constant comparison between science & religion....they source from different methods & govern from different dominions.
Science is the method/tool to establish results/facts from evidence
Religion is the practitioning of a lifestyle based on spiritual beliefs either stemming from faith or evidence
apples and oranges
hexusziggurat 2 years ago
Apples and bullshit.
MrMalavon 2 years ago
i love that richard's parents sound like my own, believing in christianity only because of the cultural apect.
konothecook 2 years ago 2
i hear construction in the background.
dutchbert420 2 years ago
This interviewer is terrible. She just makes statements and expects a response.
It makes Dawkins sound dull by proxy.
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"Does My Father Love Me?" - A new video on my channel that looks at how Atheists and Christians interpret the same evidence very differently.
atheistfriends 2 years ago
I think another reason for Christian belief is the "power" of the Gospels---i.e. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They portray a Jesus character with a lot of magnetism who by performing miracles convinces others that our experience limited to Cause and Effect Materialism cannot be extrapolated to all events.
andwhatfire 2 years ago
It's nice to see Dawkins so relaxed, balanced and well argumented even I dont agree 100 % of what he says.
Baal1985 2 years ago 7
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God wants to save you, not condemn you "DumbDesign."
markpianoman 2 years ago
to type your bullshit somewhere else
JaniLPU 2 years ago 2
*go
JaniLPU 2 years ago
@markpianoman
God wants viruses to evolve and kill millions. God also would like more earthquakes and tsunamis. Not satisfied with just slaughtering millions god would like some children to be born with serious birth defects. But he is a loving god and don't you forget it.
samten54 2 years ago
NO...all of that is simply the product of sin and the curse which fell on mankind through disobedience.
God loves each of us more than anybody could. Therefore he provided a way to reconciliation through the death of his son who took our place...who took the punishment we deserved! YES, this IS LOVE!
markpianoman 2 years ago
@markpianoman
Oh naughty man built by god. I think there may be a degree of responsibility on the designer. The excuse of freewill is dubious because peoples ability to cope with details is pretty variable especially when we consider the disabled. You can't make strawberry jam out of pigshit and you cant build a religion in survival mode. The idea of original guilt was destroyed by the realization of evolution. First it was proved by fossils and then soundly confirmed by the genetic code.
samten54 2 years ago
@samten54 There have been many "realizations" and "confirmations" within "science" which later have to be changed. The Bible is the only book of truth which does not need updating -- because it is truth. Any "current" belief proposed by the "science" community will eventually come into adjustment that is in alignment with what the Bible states. Visit the Creation Museum in Kentucky for a glimpse of truth and absorb all that your dark mind can!
markpianoman 2 years ago
markpianoman
The scientific method is designed to eliminate human influence and emotion from the results. Over years and as research continues more knowledge is gained and our understanding grows. This is in contrast to the concrete and backward world views of the religious who at at pains to keep science from proving their Bronze Age book was written by people who knew nothing of the world. Disneyland has more reality than the Creation Museum.
samten54 2 years ago
@samten54 sorry -- but those are grand inaccurate claims. That Bronze Age book may have been written by men "who knew nothing of the world" (which is a rather far-fetched claim) but it was given to them through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God. There is no other explanation how a book which is a collection of some 66 smaller books could have such unity of purpose written by 40 authors over a span of some 1,500 years - miraculous!
markpianoman 2 years ago
markpianoman
A cult that grows and survives for thousands of years is not at all surprising. Have you ever heard of the Cargo cults of Melanesia? 60 religions started independently as a way for islanders to explain aircraft dropping supplies in WW2. The cults spread quickly and are now deeply intrenched in Melanesian culture. Christianity is no different. People were even slaughtered for doubting Christianity for most of its history. Parents indoctrinate their young. It's a perfect trick.
samten54 2 years ago 2
@samten54 You must be a former Catholic -- your previous references to "Christians" who tortured people for using telescopes to look at the stars, and this current reference to "slaughtering people for doubting Christianity for most of its history -- NONE OTHER than the Catholic Church. It is a big mistake to include the DARK history of the Catholic Church as anything Christian. True believers in the Lord Jesus Christ who were born again would never engage in such horrors.
markpianoman 2 years ago
markpianoman
There was a time when all Christians were Catholics. Your brand of the Christian cult evolved from Catholicism. I was never catholic.
samten54 2 years ago
@samten54 Wrong again! There have always been true believers who had nothing to do with catholicism. Catholics have ceremony and no true faith in the risen Christ and his atoning work at the cross. It was Catholics who persecuted true believers! The Catholic Church required people to pay money for salvation from hell when the Bible teaches the "free gift" of salvation through faith in Christ...therefore they had to keep the Bible from the people -- a very dark history indeed!
markpianoman 2 years ago
Well then which sect of Christianity houses the 'true believers' then? And samten54 is correct, all modern Christian faiths came from the original Catholic religion.
But really its irrelevant because the Bible has been updated many many times, and any evidence of divine influence has yet to be found. Christianity is just one of the countless numbers of religions throughout history, so I don't really see why we should favor it just because it's the one our parents taught us.
sam4084 2 years ago
@sam4084 You sound like a typical Catholic....or rather former Catholic. It's only Catholics who believe the notion that "all modern Christian faiths came from the original Catholic religion." Get into the Word of God (Bible) to find truth apart from churches. It's interesting how the "Bible has been updated many many times" as you say, but yet the text is true to the dead sea scrolls manuscripts. Or are you looking for excuses to throw it all out so you have no God to answer to in eternity?
markpianoman 2 years ago
@markpianoman Doesnt matter if you are part of a curch or not, if you believe things without a good reason for it, (evidence for example), than you are a deluded person.
And you should rethink about basicly everything.
Start like that: Your basic idea should be "All religions are wrong!!!"
than you start investigating about everysingle relgion there is, and search fpr evidence. Once you did that, you can choose wich to worship, everything else, would be gambling.
dietermauer 1 year ago
@markpianoman
God has been soundly destroyed.
samten54 2 years ago
@markpianoman
Bash people with unsubstantiated fears and threats of suffering. That and restricting knowledge is the way cults survive. Did you know that the telescope was developed as a tool of war for European armies but when a man used it to look at the stars the Christians arrested him?
samten54 2 years ago
Those were FOR SURE not true Christians who arrested the first man who used a telescope to look at stars -- they were probably Catholics -- who as far as I'm concerned are not true Christians at all...they're just religious, and turn into the best atheist around because they've never experienced salvation -- not part of their screwed-up doctrine.
markpianoman 2 years ago
It isn't just Catholics who believe that Catholicism was the original Christian church, historians, archaeologists, and anyone with a brain will tell you the same thing. They will also tell you that the bible has been altered more times than we can count and then they'll tell you that most if not all of the stories in it are both physically and historically impossible.
And you never really got around to telling me which sect of Christianity belongs to the "true believers"
sam4084 2 years ago 2
@sam4084 When you have to throw around insults such as "anyone with a brain will tell you the same thing" then that ALONE brings everything you say into question. My whole point of my earlier postings is that true believers are those who believe in a salvation experience and attempt to following the instruction provided in the Bible...as opposed to the Catholic church and most of the denominations. "True believers" are INDIVIDUALs...NOT a specific church or denomination!
markpianoman 2 years ago
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So if each Christian's level of 'true belief' is measured by their individual merit, then why do you say that all Catholics aren't true believers ("they were probably Catholics -- who as far as I'm concerned are not true Christians at all...")? I mean it hardly seems fair to say that there has never been a decent Catholic guy, hell I'm atheist and I don't think that's fair. But hey this is all based on the assumption that the Bible even has a shred of truth in it, which I'm not buying.
sam4084 2 years ago
"true believers are those who believe in a salvation experience and attempt to following the instruction provided in the Bible"
And would these so called true believers allowed to pick and choose what teachings to follow? Say, follow the nice things and close their eyes to the condoning of slavery etc.
byteresistor 2 years ago
@byteresistor it's impossible to "follow the instruction provided by the bible" from the start. it contradicts itself. that's why it can be used to justify nearly any position. (e.g. the bible, originally, was the leading case for slavery; it was later used to justify the civil wights movement, often from the exact same books.)
rysw19 1 year ago
@markpianoman that's all well and good, but it doesn't change that believers are choosing to base their lives around ancient superstions from bronze age palestine, for which there is no evidence.
rysw19 1 year ago
@rysw19 I agree with you completely...there is no evidence that believers base their lives around ancient superstitions! How true your statement is!
markpianoman 1 year ago
@markpianoman wow. learn english. i was saying that there isn't any evidence for the superstitions. notice the appositive comes after what it is describing.
rysw19 1 year ago
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
markpianoman 2 years ago
Truth is, christians, not even within the evangelical branch, can't even agree in the correct interpretation of every verse in the Bible. And if your God does exist and he isn't mute, then he is an indifferent cold blooded God that let all those innocent people died just because the RCC wasn't able to guess what you call "the correct interpretation."
DumbDesign 2 years ago
Dying is not the worst thing that could happen to anybody...we have all eternity to live and are not here on the earth for long...whether we live 20 or 90 years. ONLY and evil RCC would kill people for what they believe. True born-again Christians would never do that. The worst thing that could happen to anyone is to reject the Savior and spend eternity in torment.
markpianoman 2 years ago
I'm not afraid of hell, knowledge has made me impervious to such threats. If there are no atoms, there are no flames, if we go to hell as spirits (spirits= no matter=no atoms) then what will the flames burn? If you claim the flames in hell burn anyway, then all I can do is laugh. I fear no threats from someone who believes in magical fire.
DumbDesign 2 years ago
The threats are not from me but from the Word of God.
The Bible says that "The wisdom of man is foolishness with God." I wouldn't be so sure that I've got hell figured out with men's wisdom and explanation of how it can't exist. Men have also beautifully explained God out of existence in spite of all the unending cosmos and evidence around us. Reconsider before it's too late. And look for a true Bible-believing church and forget the RCC. Or just start seeking God by reading the Bible.
markpianoman 2 years ago
As I said, anyone that threatens me with magical fire is unworthy of my attention, even, AND SPECIALLY, if its the Bible itself. Whether or not the Bible is really the word of God is something you take on faith, the same faith which I don't share anymore for many reasons. There is no way anyone can prove to anybody the Bible is the word of God.
DumbDesign 2 years ago 4
Reading the Bible is what made me loose faith. That book is crazy and just because we live in a gigantic universe doesn't give anyone "proof" of god. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean some "god" created it.
blacksabbathgnr098 2 years ago 27
Sam here, I was brought up in Catholicism. Never really questioned it, realize i couldn't be bothered, didn't want to feel like that seeing as if I don't I spend an eternity in hell.
Read Genesis and saw illogical design within the first book.(if he knows everything, and that means everything, and the future, when he made Adam, he would know the future of humanity).
I don't believe God gave me logic only for him to ignore it.
Pignoah 2 years ago
@blacksabbathgnr098 you're so right buddy. I don't see what so hard to understand the difference.
J337soorma 1 year ago
Actually, that sort of belief is why christian belief is dangerous."Why bother trying to make the most out of this life, we have a better life after this one!" I'm a former evangelical, and I've heard that plenty of times from members of my family AND members of the church I used to assist. Now that I don't believe in heaven, I understand why that sort of belief can be destructive.
DumbDesign 2 years ago
The Apostle Paul speaking about Christ....
Col.1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
markpianoman 2 years ago
Wow! that's really absolute evidence that God created the Earth. >_>
DumbDesign 2 years ago
see youtube video: Shroud of Christ is confirmed to be 2000 years old!
Don't respond with your uneducated points until you take the scales off your eyes and look.
This man says Dawkins and his like are damned- in his ignorance he will perish!
helenw100 2 years ago
We should campaign against the "free" in free-thinker, as it is redundant. This expression always makes me feel awkward.
dkt80 2 years ago
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Poor Richard. Always so bitter and miserable. Can I join you and be miserable too? LOL You need the joy of the Spirit dude!!!
9pt9 2 years ago
Who said he is miserable?
Stachowski92 2 years ago 4
Science doesn't deal with proof. Richard Feynman said that he had different certainties about different things but not absolutely sure about anything, as a scientist.
Well said! Only mathematicians prove things, like Dawkins said.
So unless God is a mathematical conjecture, don't ask for a disproof.
AdiZetaFunction 2 years ago
Pascal's challenge brought up at the beginning is false. Which god do you hedge your bets with? Hindi gods? Greek gods? Judeo-christian god? >Well Christian god. OK, which form of Christianity? Protestantism? Catholicism? Orthodox? etc etc
How do you choose? Why spend ur entire life subservient to one god u choose arbitrarily...when it is just as possible that the Egyptian gods were real?!? That is why Pascal's challenge doesn't work, and Atheism is a viable choice
MYVCOAS 3 years ago 3
Nah... i just feel that i must be able to justify my decisions in my life such as faith so that even if religion were true... i would not regret as much.
880330145789 2 years ago
Hold on what are you objecting to?
How can you justify faith? (I don't mean to sound condescending but faith is believing in something that you have no good reason to do so) You say that 'even if religion were true'...the problem with Pascal's challenge is 'WHICH religion?' There are about 10000 separate religions in the world - now they can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong.
MYVCOAS 2 years ago
exactly so that they cant be all right. im currently a buddhist. and the teachings within it makes almost perfect sense to me. i do not believe in eternal punishment or the other but i do believe in things such as rebirth and good and bad karma (action and reaction) and that makes sense to me. im speaking for myself here and what im saying is that i can justify why i have faith in such things but unfortunately the comment box is not big enough for me to explain my justification.
880330145789 2 years ago