Part 1 - Press Conference on Gay Marriage and Public Education

[ImperialGenKlenner]

@Vickylou You misunderstud the point. Altrought your comment is old (2009) is it imperative for 1 to understand that school can in fact have Gay themed activities. So Gay children will feel welcome. What this is about, is about those who wish not to participate... no 1 should be forced. I for 1 will pull my child out. But thats it. The school can continue w/ their Gay activities as normal. If I can't pull him out, then Ill be a victim of reverse discrimination.

[GiveCourage]

Since posting last I checked out the contents the King & King book. It is not portrayed at all the parents describe it; AT ALL. They got almost everything wrong actually. To get the book verbatim paste /watch?v=HW__kkEj_iU after this dot com. The princesses do silly things and the prince is not disrespectful to them. It just emphasized that his heart stirred when he met another prince. That is all, thanks!

[GiveCourage]

So if the book was really rotten, then it was rotten and the teacher made a mistake. That doesn't mean many stories with gay marriage don't have uplifting themes that can be introduced to children, at least on occasion. These parents are pulling out all the stops, taking anything negative and blaming gay marriage. Even if everything they claimed happened did, I highly doubt that this represents any kind of problem most parents are faced with. They DO have a right to know what's going on.

[draber12]

"in second grade they are still learning how to sit still"

Is your kid retarded?

[SleazyProduction]

Most ridiculous speech ever... by the way, that man with the fat lady looks gay a lot!

[vickilou]

I think parents should think about one thing before they condemn broad and neutral education - if your child was gay, would you really want them growing up through their education with absolutely no visibility or representation? Going through school in the sense that it is, for some reason, wrong to bring up homosexuality and their own feelings and identity because everything about the curriculum suggests to them that only other 'normal' people's lifestyles are acceptable?

[vickilou]

I don't understand how people say that being taught about same sex marriage is indoctrinating. Surely if anything is indoctrination it is deliberately screening then from 1 type of love?

Ok this is a poor book. I'm gay and I wouldn't endorse a book about a prince who marries another prince because the princesses were black/fat. But I get the feeling that if the prince chose a beautiful princess instead, these parents wouldn't go to such lengths over the book's poor values on superficial beauty.

[brlaranjo]

stupid, I live in MA, and I am fine, take that

[Zanian]

And this is different from reality how

[gunmenjim]

I think that 2nd graders learning to blow eachother should be kept in private school, not in public !

[Zanian]

Really and these books are teaching them that?

I thought the books were about love not sex.

[euphemus2]

One cannot comment on the "official sites" containing the Wirthlin's - a typical device of the biased: allow no debate (giving the argument a distorted appearance of support and validity). So...

The Wirthlin's sit on a couch, arms around each other, proudly married: a proud publicly-sanctioned demonstration of their sexuality. They think their rights impinged by others doing same.

They think their child should not be exposed to this until sex-education classes, yet they do it all day.

[euphemus2]

(Cont..)

They corruptly bemoan the lack of tolerance for their opinion, while persuading others to eliminate the privileges they enjoy.

This is typical double-think - the usual device to smudge logic with bias and portray the appearance of reason: typical lies. To talk of tolerance for one's points of views and want naught for others, is the domain of the tyrant.

[giant24us]

i have so much respect to all those that are standing up against gay marriage. it takes a lot of courage, and God Willing this ban will pass. This will be a huge mercy on our country. Salaam Alaikum!

[tonykw]

As a black friend of mine once said. "Hey, you got it worse. I never have to go home and say "Guess what Mom. I'm Black!""

[goodasyou]

Shame. Shame on all who are fighting for bias.

[Sean2046]

it's no more indoctrination then teaching kids that being black is ok and it's not biased. it would be biased to exclude gay relationships as if they don't exist. to expose kids to gay marriage isn't going to corrupt them. if they're gay, they'll realize it's ok to be gay. if they're not, then they won't marry the same sex, simple as that. exposing kids to gay marriage is presenting the facts which is exactly what the schools should be doing. gay people exist, get over it.

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046 you must be joking! By that logic, it would be "biased" to exclude also exposing children to polygamy, S&M, and incest-marriages! Wake up and give a damn about our children!! Vote Yes on 8!

[SPICExMELON]

i agree with sean2046

[Sean2046]

are you a fuckin dumbass? 2 consenting adults wanting to get married is comparable to incest, S&M, and polygamy now?! really?!

[PaxLuna]

Actually, nope I'm not a dumbass. I'm an attorney who has read the relavant case law and constitution. From that, it's clear that the rationale used to legalize homosexual marriage applies also to polygamists and adult-incest "lovers." They too are consenting adults wanting to get married. Think it through and do your legal research.

[Sean2046]

can i say appeal to authority? lol. your claim that homosexual marriage is equivalent to polygamy and incest is still unfounded. and no, consent is not involved in incest. and the reason i said "adults" is because marriage should be between adults, since they have fully developed minds and can make better judgments pertaining to marriage. if there really is something unconstitutional with allowing gay marriages, you let me know what that is.

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046: Interesting, you say that if kids are gay "they'll realize it's ok to be gay." Actually, a great number of gays don't feel it's okay to be gay. Many are deeply unhappy being gay and feel it is wrong. No matter what a 4 to 3 panel might say, the hearts of many gays tell them daily that engaging in homosexual acts is wrong. Law will not quiet consciences.

[Sean2046]

gay kids feel it's wrong because of what much of society tells them about homosexuality. the fact that more and more gay people are coming out at earlier ages and accepting themselves completely as society becomes more accepting of gays proves this.

[PaxLuna]

No matter what laws are passed, people's hearts will still tell them that homosexual acts are wrong. No homosexual acts ever bring forth life, but they have brought death to millions via AIDS.

[Sean2046]

AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH~!!!! are you serious!?!? first off, i don't feel homosexuality is wrong one bit! not one bit! now suppressing your feelings for the same sex is what truly leads to terrible things. and no duhr homosexual acts don't bring forth life. so what?! who the hell thinks sex is only for reproduction?! last time i checked people have sex to also display their love for one another. and to think you buy into the myth that aids originated from homosexuality. omfg...

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046: You are wrong. People have no choice about their race. We are born a race and have no decision about it. Homosexuals in active relationships have made a choice to act on their sexual desires for the same gender. Do not insult those who faught for racial equality by saying it is equal in dignity to sodomy.

[Sean2046]

thumpity thump thump, think outside your bible dumbass and stop trying to impose your idea of what is moral onto the rest of the country. you clearly can't come up with one rational argument as to why homosexuality is destructive, you only oppose it because your religious text. so mind your own business and keep your religious dogmatic bullshit to yourself. against gay marriage? then don't have one and shut the fuck up.

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046, calling people names and insulting them has never won a debate. You ask for one rational agrument as to why homosexuality is destructive. Here it is: male-to-male sex has spread more HIV than any other means of HIV transmission. Our bodies were not designed for sodomy.

[Sean2046]

oh i know that very well. my cursing and name calling don't effect my message either. and your attempt at an argument is an epic failure. it's very clear and well-known why male-to-male sex spreads HIV easier. and yet, heterosexual anal sex spreads HIV at the SAME EXACT RATE only it's not practiced as much for obvious reasons... anal sex and gay men are not mutually exclusive. and then you totally forget that female-to-female sex has spread HIV the LEAST of any kind of sex.

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046: Don't lie and lead others to an AIDS death. Look at the Federal Center for Disease Control's web sites. It's stats show male-to-male sex is the single larges cause of AIDS but a huge margin. Get the facts. Then, vote Yes on Prop 8.

[Sean2046]

lol. i didn't lie. i never said male-to-male sex didn't transfer aids the most (it doesn't cause it dumbass). you know i tore apart your stab at a rational argument. you lose, no i'm not going to vote against equality. i'm in florida anyways if you didn't know.

[PaxLuna]

Sean2046: Legally "cause" means but for an action the result would not have happened. Male-to-male sex has caused AIDS in countless thousands who died as a result of their homosexual sex. It's a sad thruth.

[Sean2046]

ok, whatever. i prefer to say transfers because using the word "cause" is misleading, making it sound like AIDS originated from homosexual acts. oh btw, countless thousands have died from AIDS by heterosexual acts as well. hell even more people have died from cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food. maybe we should outlaw those as well.

[Zanian]

sex with people who have AIDS is the spreading of AIDS. AIDS crossed over to humans from monkeys in Africa and the first case in america was caused by a straight hooker who went and contracted the disease without her knowledge in Africa and then spread the disease to approx. 300 people in the United States. At least that's the scientific tracking that scientists have done has shown. Also I would like to make a remark about your english; if you say something, spell correctly to avoid looking 10