Arena - T.S. Eliot - Part 3 (BBC)

[IzzyIsou]

Lordy, who picked the music for this, it's dreadfully not relevant to the subject, nor does it help as bbackground to the poetry.

[scotchvelo]

Gotta love Eliot reading to the great Portishead tune.

[tracksuitjim]

whats the song at 7:40? its also in the william burroughs arena documentary, sounds so classic lol

[DarKool81]

Ezra Pound. What an Asshole!

[oldpossum]

@DarKool81, TSE admired him deeply, called him "Il Miglior Fabbro", the better worker. Pound did most of the editing of Eliot's The Waste Land.

[DarKool81]

@oldpossum It's called the humility topos. Eliot didn't really believe that. Anyway, Pound's skills as an editor are not in question and he was a fine poet, but he was also a fascist, an anti-semite, and a traitor to his country. In short, he was an asshole

[oldpossum]

@DarKool81, from memory (tried to memorize 4Q):

"Do not let me hear about the wisdom of old men,

But rather of their folly, their fear

Of fear and frenzy, their fear

Of belonging to others or to another, or to God.

The only wisdom we can hope to acquire

Is the wisdom of humility.

Humility is endless."

[DarKool81]

@oldpossum Pound never acquired such wisdom. 4 Quartets is certainly a better work than the Waste Land (despite its religiosity).

[oldpossum]

@DarKool81 On TSE's religiosity:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without

accepting it." -Aristotle

[DarKool81]

@oldpossum Wow, the Oxford Book of Quotations must be your Vade Mecum

[oldpossum]

@DarKool81 Just things one picks up along the way....

About TWL: Once was a member of an TSE-Discussion Forum, some kind of highbrow chat room,

://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis­/88/eliot-listserv.html

got to know some erudite folks and looked them up in the US, one of them gentle Rick Parker, living with wife & dog on the shore of the Concord River, author of "Exploring the Waste Land":

://world.std.com/~raparker/exp­loring/thewasteland/

[GeorgesBarras]

Seamus Heaney seems like a nice old man.

[bankholiday]

@conquistador66 I'm hoping you've found it after 4 months, but for anyone else's benefit, it's East St. Louis Toodle-Oo by the Duke Ellington orchestra.

[conquistador66]

I don't expect much luck with this but does anybody know the tune from about 7:36 ? It's fucking fantastic.

[wcjones451]

any one else think the cameraman should stop filming the pretty boy in the english class for no reason...creepy

[pawsoned]

@wcjones451 I didn't notice the boy 'coz I was captured by a lovely girl, who unfortunately didn't say a word.