Bahairules: Choi brought in sine wave near the end to have a reason to do more seminars. It makes no logical sense. My first instructor was also an engineering g professor and sine wave was no where in his teaching. The most efficient delivery of power is the shortest distance between two lines. Sine wave adds extra motion and extra time. It is simply not logical or efficient.
That was great. Nice power and good stances. They only thing I would change is the hand foot timing. Your hand technique should finish as your foot lands.
I am not sure what karate style you are referring to, but the Shotokan dojo I train in teaches us to perform kata with fluidity and none of the bouncing you see in modern TKD.
I say modern TKD because I studied Chung Do Kwon TKD as a member of the World Tae Kwon Do Association back in the 90's. We didn't bounce any during hyungs so the bouncing looks very alien to me.
I rather like this man's hyung, even though it needs work. All of us need to constantly work on our hyungs/katas.
You bring the ball back when you throw it to aid in momentum. The theory of Sine Wave from my understanding is based on weight. Throwing a ball (such as baseball) is based on speed, not weight. A bullet travels straight to it's target, not up, or down, or backwards, before going forward... In my nearly 20 years of Martial Arts, I've come to realize that the Sine Wave is one of the most ineffective theories. Besides the physics behind it, it takes way too much time to execute techniques that way.
To darthexylus & halletkd who seem to feel this is a substandard form lacking sine-wave: Proof is in the pudding. Post a video of YOU performing this and all the other ITF forms. That way the rest of us could learn the proper way to do these forms. This would be more productive than hurling insults.
KoreaTKD: I applaude your technique. Your forms are the BEST I have seen on YouTube (Yes, better than trulshotvedt's). Miles better than Cliff Hong's DVD I paid $30 for!
Google "TKDTutor sine wave" & you will find an interesting article on sine wave. Extra movement not in the direction of the target takes more time, more energy and telegraphs intent. Hip snap is much more important. Force=Mass x Acceleration in a specific direction. Sine wave, especially when exaggerated can take away from this equation. I'll gladly spar anyone who wants to use sine wave and I will concentrate on hip snap and acceleration toward target. If you don't use it in sparring, why not?
@hootiemcgrudy2 you would get yourass kicked by any one of these fighters that represnt the ITF (sine wave) now to normal eyes these fighters look like they are not applying the sine wave they actually are however in sparring we speed the sine wave up, for patterns we tend to show the artistic side of this martial art. you can search up ITF Paul germaine who is able to speed up sine wave very well Eddie pavlenko who is one of the best fighters from my very own school, search ITF sparring.
No need to reply to my comments, darthexylus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And to say that without sine wave there is no power is ignorant. I don't use sine wave and people, including some well respected Korean masters, have said I have some of the most devastating striking power they've seen. I think it depends more on the individual than whether or not they use sine wave.
Sine wave telegraphs intention, there's no purpose to it. Tell me one single successful fighter that you have ever seen utilizing sine wave principles (and don't try to pass boxing's bob-and-weave for sine wave). The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, why not capitalize on that? Generate your power linearly and internally.
What is purpose without intention? Can something be done purely without intent? Or are you some kind of cybernetic organism sent from the future, programmed to kill Sarah Conner? But yes you're correct, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. But pushing a punch in a linear action from the shoulder wont guarantee power. A regular front jab wont knock someone out unless the size/weight ratio between two bodies is humungous.
Or maybe Im just fucking with your head. Ever think of that scenario, smartass? Sine wave has been bench-tested to prove its practical application. The founder of Taekwondo taught sine wave application. You gonna dispute his credentials? Perhaps you just cant get the hang of it. Maybe thats why you're bagging its authenticity?
Dude, go measure your dick somewhere else. You obviously don't understand basic fighting principles, as is apparent in your ridiculously tangential responses to telegraphing and generating power internally and linearly. But please, feel free to reference me to sine wave being applied in practical application! I'm not saying it's useless, I'm saying that there are beter alternatives. Plus, I'm not getting into this whole "which is the right TKD?" arguement, because that's a waste of time.
So why did you bother entertaining an argument on something you believe to be inferior? "Measure my dick somewhere else"? If I'm supposed to get riled by that, I think you failed in that as well. Aah Canadians... nothing but Americans with a chip on their shoulder. Have a nice life fucktard :)
He continues to pussy-foot around the fact that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about by resorting to insults and empty claims, how cute!
Congratulations on practicing the only form of martial art that has been able to find a way to generate power in their strikes, the rest of us are envious! I'm not going to bother responding back to you any more, because quite frankly, I'm terrified of the great power that you possess! (Sarcasm wtf)
Resorting to insults? Well if thats not the pot calling the kettle black :) I recall you mentionined I should go "meaure my dick somewhere else". Dont recall starting the run of petty insults. Just following on from your great example I guess. Must be all the power going to my head :) (oooh more SARCASM!!!) LOL!!!!
Sine wave is actually really important because it gives a lot more power to the techniques. When you throw a ball you always start with your arm stretched back to get more power and the ball travels further. If you threw a ball from your side without moving your hand back, it would land right by your feet because there is no power. Sine wave is like the first, you go back then forwards for more power. I know lots of successful fighters who use sine wave
I can safely say that I have NEVER seen anyone use Sine Wave in an actual fight and be even remotely successful. But please enlighten me on the matter.
master orello ellis who is one of the top in england who i have had sessions with and is amazing and he uses sine wave. Two of my instructers, Philip lear and Tim dunn, have been in the team for england and europe and both use sine wave.
Cool, what organizations have they fought under? What titles do they hold? Who have they fought? And would you happen to have any videos of the above?
They are ITF. I don't think there are any videos of them. Philip lear is 5th dan ex-world and european champion and I don't really no much about anyone else i'd have to look it up
@MathewJoki Search up ITF sparring matches, now many people believe that sine wave isn't beneficial in any way and do not know that during sparring the sine wave is sped up thus increasing maximum power it may not apear like fighters are using the sine wave however it may just be that it is to fast to see the energy transfer for example Bruce Lee's side kick when he skipped into it he was using the sine wave, and guess who he learnt it from in detail ITF Taekwon-DO (WTF was involved as well).
@BAHAIRULES I did ITF for a while, and no, sine wave is not there in sparring; there is a natural bouncing up and down of the hip, but the down up down motion (more akin to the saw tooth motion described in the encyclopedia) cannot really be applied to sparring nor to self defence in most instances. With all due respect to gen Choi, his seminaries sucked: the pattern work was very banal, no applications, no nothing, but small corrections.
@sagagossard in ITF sparring the sine wave is correctly applied as needed, not pattern version but rather sped up, by practicing patterns with the sine wave it induces the muscle memory of the ITF practitioner to repeat that motion every time it is excecuted thus if the practitioner is excecuting a movement where sine wave is needed, they have no choice but to excecute it with the sine wave, step sparring does the exact same thing only applies the sine wave method to distance and timing.
@sagagossard Any movement where the exceutioner uses knee spring to get the majority of his body mass higher and then drop down while the strike is excecuted is using sine wave for example in "Taekwon-Do ITF world champion hwang su" at 0:30 he uses knee spring on his front leg in order to get his mass high then as he excecutes the kick he comes back down, at 1:00 the excecutioner uses knee spring once again to get higher then as he kicks he drops his mass down. and at 1:10 there are more videos
wow Korean Hwa Rang's speed is so different compared to the Canadian version, but i must say your kicking is brilliant very crisp althought i dont think the first movement is slow, but we are from two diverse countries great patttern thou!!
That was top taekwondo!
TheA8lee 4 months ago
the camera dude is breathing hard lol
RasheemH 7 months ago
niceeeeeeeee
papaiosif 9 months ago
Bahairules: Choi brought in sine wave near the end to have a reason to do more seminars. It makes no logical sense. My first instructor was also an engineering g professor and sine wave was no where in his teaching. The most efficient delivery of power is the shortest distance between two lines. Sine wave adds extra motion and extra time. It is simply not logical or efficient.
hootiemcgrudy2 10 months ago
@hootiemcgrudy2 yeah, sine wave is only fit for forms, but not effecient in sparring or real world aplications.
Jehuty989 10 months ago
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BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
Hwoarang does this in the opening EMBU of Tekken 3.
djmixmac 10 months ago
This is one of my most favorite forms. ITF IS THE BEST!
Jehuty989 1 year ago
@Jehuty989 this is not ITF at all ITF is with the sine wave set by General Choi
"no sine wave, no Taekwon-Do" - General Choi Hong Hi
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
That was great. Nice power and good stances. They only thing I would change is the hand foot timing. Your hand technique should finish as your foot lands.
mrmicahtime 2 years ago
the tuls change slighty depending on the school... or the teacher...
GonzaloArashi 2 years ago
your side kick is amazing, and i love the power.
My tae kwon do instructor tought me this form slightly different than you do it.
mattmancow77 2 years ago
It is hard to consider this as TKD to be honest...
Founder of the Taekwon-do Gen Choi once said that 'no sign-wave' no Taekwon-do.
This is something different. - It looks more like karate to me...
PASlegolas 2 years ago
@PASlegolas He also introduced Sine wave 30 years after he created the style.
sevensixtwomm 10 months ago
thnx for making the vid, i needed this
krazykaratekiter 2 years ago
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esto k mierdaaaaa eeee???
esto k arte marcial esss ??
ace todo mal
yo hago la itf pero tambien soy dan de la world pero esto k es????
what is this??? it's horrible
i do tkd itf and i was went tkd wtf but, what is this?? oohh mal got
it's once yets
soybsas 2 years ago
thats my red belt pattern
sheldon176 2 years ago
Very beautiful natural motion, not stagnant like old Karate-do, but not over bouncy either. Fluid, natural motions. Original Chang Hun Hyung!
TAEKWON!
SpookeySVG 2 years ago
I am not sure what karate style you are referring to, but the Shotokan dojo I train in teaches us to perform kata with fluidity and none of the bouncing you see in modern TKD.
I say modern TKD because I studied Chung Do Kwon TKD as a member of the World Tae Kwon Do Association back in the 90's. We didn't bounce any during hyungs so the bouncing looks very alien to me.
I rather like this man's hyung, even though it needs work. All of us need to constantly work on our hyungs/katas.
knb416 2 years ago
Get a better horse stance.
SmashedAcorns 3 years ago
You bring the ball back when you throw it to aid in momentum. The theory of Sine Wave from my understanding is based on weight. Throwing a ball (such as baseball) is based on speed, not weight. A bullet travels straight to it's target, not up, or down, or backwards, before going forward... In my nearly 20 years of Martial Arts, I've come to realize that the Sine Wave is one of the most ineffective theories. Besides the physics behind it, it takes way too much time to execute techniques that way.
nephillyabba 3 years ago 2
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otohard 2 years ago
To darthexylus & halletkd who seem to feel this is a substandard form lacking sine-wave: Proof is in the pudding. Post a video of YOU performing this and all the other ITF forms. That way the rest of us could learn the proper way to do these forms. This would be more productive than hurling insults.
KoreaTKD: I applaude your technique. Your forms are the BEST I have seen on YouTube (Yes, better than trulshotvedt's). Miles better than Cliff Hong's DVD I paid $30 for!
hootiemcgrudy2 3 years ago 7
That Hwa-Rang is not going to win you any medals where I'm from....
Greener01 3 years ago
YOU NEED SINE WAVE!!!!
halletkd 3 years ago
Sine Wave sux.
noktiis 3 years ago 4
@noktiis yes! it transformed ITF 's technique into a joke.
sagagossard 5 months ago
Google "TKDTutor sine wave" & you will find an interesting article on sine wave. Extra movement not in the direction of the target takes more time, more energy and telegraphs intent. Hip snap is much more important. Force=Mass x Acceleration in a specific direction. Sine wave, especially when exaggerated can take away from this equation. I'll gladly spar anyone who wants to use sine wave and I will concentrate on hip snap and acceleration toward target. If you don't use it in sparring, why not?
hootiemcgrudy2 3 years ago
@hootiemcgrudy2 you would get yourass kicked by any one of these fighters that represnt the ITF (sine wave) now to normal eyes these fighters look like they are not applying the sine wave they actually are however in sparring we speed the sine wave up, for patterns we tend to show the artistic side of this martial art. you can search up ITF Paul germaine who is able to speed up sine wave very well Eddie pavlenko who is one of the best fighters from my very own school, search ITF sparring.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
No need to reply to my comments, darthexylus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And to say that without sine wave there is no power is ignorant. I don't use sine wave and people, including some well respected Korean masters, have said I have some of the most devastating striking power they've seen. I think it depends more on the individual than whether or not they use sine wave.
qdmasta 3 years ago
Very nice. This is how we do it at our school (no sine wave).
qdmasta 4 years ago
Nice my ass. Without sine wave there's no power, only flash. However, even this lacked flash.
darthexylus 3 years ago
Sine wave telegraphs intention, there's no purpose to it. Tell me one single successful fighter that you have ever seen utilizing sine wave principles (and don't try to pass boxing's bob-and-weave for sine wave). The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, why not capitalize on that? Generate your power linearly and internally.
MathewJoki 3 years ago
What is purpose without intention? Can something be done purely without intent? Or are you some kind of cybernetic organism sent from the future, programmed to kill Sarah Conner? But yes you're correct, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. But pushing a punch in a linear action from the shoulder wont guarantee power. A regular front jab wont knock someone out unless the size/weight ratio between two bodies is humungous.
darthexylus 3 years ago
Ughhh... you obviously don't understand what I'm saying...
MathewJoki 3 years ago
Or maybe Im just fucking with your head. Ever think of that scenario, smartass? Sine wave has been bench-tested to prove its practical application. The founder of Taekwondo taught sine wave application. You gonna dispute his credentials? Perhaps you just cant get the hang of it. Maybe thats why you're bagging its authenticity?
darthexylus 3 years ago
Dude, go measure your dick somewhere else. You obviously don't understand basic fighting principles, as is apparent in your ridiculously tangential responses to telegraphing and generating power internally and linearly. But please, feel free to reference me to sine wave being applied in practical application! I'm not saying it's useless, I'm saying that there are beter alternatives. Plus, I'm not getting into this whole "which is the right TKD?" arguement, because that's a waste of time.
MathewJoki 3 years ago
So why did you bother entertaining an argument on something you believe to be inferior? "Measure my dick somewhere else"? If I'm supposed to get riled by that, I think you failed in that as well. Aah Canadians... nothing but Americans with a chip on their shoulder. Have a nice life fucktard :)
darthexylus 3 years ago
LOL!!!!
He continues to pussy-foot around the fact that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about by resorting to insults and empty claims, how cute!
Congratulations on practicing the only form of martial art that has been able to find a way to generate power in their strikes, the rest of us are envious! I'm not going to bother responding back to you any more, because quite frankly, I'm terrified of the great power that you possess! (Sarcasm wtf)
Good job on KoreaTKD for the great vids!
MathewJoki 3 years ago
Resorting to insults? Well if thats not the pot calling the kettle black :) I recall you mentionined I should go "meaure my dick somewhere else". Dont recall starting the run of petty insults. Just following on from your great example I guess. Must be all the power going to my head :) (oooh more SARCASM!!!) LOL!!!!
darthexylus 3 years ago
Sine wave is actually really important because it gives a lot more power to the techniques. When you throw a ball you always start with your arm stretched back to get more power and the ball travels further. If you threw a ball from your side without moving your hand back, it would land right by your feet because there is no power. Sine wave is like the first, you go back then forwards for more power. I know lots of successful fighters who use sine wave
CrushaRoo 3 years ago
Name one.
I can safely say that I have NEVER seen anyone use Sine Wave in an actual fight and be even remotely successful. But please enlighten me on the matter.
MathewJoki 3 years ago
master orello ellis who is one of the top in england who i have had sessions with and is amazing and he uses sine wave. Two of my instructers, Philip lear and Tim dunn, have been in the team for england and europe and both use sine wave.
CrushaRoo 3 years ago
Cool, what organizations have they fought under? What titles do they hold? Who have they fought? And would you happen to have any videos of the above?
MathewJoki 3 years ago
They are ITF. I don't think there are any videos of them. Philip lear is 5th dan ex-world and european champion and I don't really no much about anyone else i'd have to look it up
CrushaRoo 3 years ago
But basically you're saying that they have no experience fighting people outside of there system, correct?
MathewJoki 3 years ago
No coz if they have been in world european and engish championships they have fought against other taekwondo federations. and won
CrushaRoo 3 years ago
@MathewJoki Search up ITF sparring matches, now many people believe that sine wave isn't beneficial in any way and do not know that during sparring the sine wave is sped up thus increasing maximum power it may not apear like fighters are using the sine wave however it may just be that it is to fast to see the energy transfer for example Bruce Lee's side kick when he skipped into it he was using the sine wave, and guess who he learnt it from in detail ITF Taekwon-DO (WTF was involved as well).
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES I did ITF for a while, and no, sine wave is not there in sparring; there is a natural bouncing up and down of the hip, but the down up down motion (more akin to the saw tooth motion described in the encyclopedia) cannot really be applied to sparring nor to self defence in most instances. With all due respect to gen Choi, his seminaries sucked: the pattern work was very banal, no applications, no nothing, but small corrections.
sagagossard 5 months ago
@sagagossard in ITF sparring the sine wave is correctly applied as needed, not pattern version but rather sped up, by practicing patterns with the sine wave it induces the muscle memory of the ITF practitioner to repeat that motion every time it is excecuted thus if the practitioner is excecuting a movement where sine wave is needed, they have no choice but to excecute it with the sine wave, step sparring does the exact same thing only applies the sine wave method to distance and timing.
BAHAIRULES 5 months ago
@BAHAIRULES ... Can you show me a video exemplifying your point? There are plenty on the internet.
sagagossard 5 months ago
@sagagossard Any movement where the exceutioner uses knee spring to get the majority of his body mass higher and then drop down while the strike is excecuted is using sine wave for example in "Taekwon-Do ITF world champion hwang su" at 0:30 he uses knee spring on his front leg in order to get his mass high then as he excecutes the kick he comes back down, at 1:00 the excecutioner uses knee spring once again to get higher then as he kicks he drops his mass down. and at 1:10 there are more videos
BAHAIRULES 5 months ago
흠 괜찮지만 아이티에프 스타일은 많이 더 좋습니다. 올림픽 태권도의 툴은 좀 너무 빠르고 사인파 없어서 최대장님께서 만든 진짜 태권도 아닙니다. 그리고 자유 맛서기 할 땐 왠지 손을 사용하지 않습니다. 왜 그래요? ㅋ 하여튼, 당신은 발차기 기법이 좋습니다~
h0rangi 4 years ago
well done !
Kwon85 4 years ago
wow Korean Hwa Rang's speed is so different compared to the Canadian version, but i must say your kicking is brilliant very crisp althought i dont think the first movement is slow, but we are from two diverse countries great patttern thou!!
nonameken 4 years ago
Brillant, clean, crisp, orginal style Hyung performance.
blueboy040 4 years ago