Ambient fire temperature is governed by the amount of oxygen present, an updraft through the building's elevator shafts could increase the normal temperature of burning aircraft fuel. Anyone who has ever done gas welding knows that a given amount of fuel can be burnt and a higher temperature in the presence of pressurised oxygen.
BULLSHIT! The 'molten metal' pouring out of tower is yellow - it is too cool to be steel. 1100C is too cool. Molten steel is white hot. the liquid is probably a mix of aluminium and plastic. On the other hand, steel does not need to melt in order to loose most of its tensile strength and collapse. This well documented, so any terrorist could know this. You don't need thermite to destroy a skyscraper.
Anyone with half a brain should know that black smoke....errr...fires some 1000 ft up did cause these temps buried in the rubble shown in the clip below. Even NIST did not find any evidence of these extreme temps in the steel. Coupled that with people seen walking directly on this steel supposedly heated to failure and it only takes a brain to figure this out.
So. Lets see. We got molten steel on scene, and no way to produce such thing in official explanation by the burning Jet fuel or whatever was in the offices normally.
If thermite is the only way to explain this shit - then we must accept is as a ONLY passing truth, because everything else contradicts the evidence present and assume the official version is a big fat lie boiled up by those who did it.
@therealgreenbag, No the "Bush spin" is a bullshit line, it is a fact that that many well known and respected independent scientific organizations have researched the conspiracy claims and not ONE agrees with their claims, science is NOT on your side.
Also, name the source where you heard "Kabul was bombed with hours", October 7, 9 p.m is when the coalition made its first strike.
Also, why would "they" blame the attacks on Saudi's civilians then attack Afgan? plus there is nothing there anyway.
Can any debunker please explain what caused this? Was it the small fires 800-1000 ft UP (the only heat source)? if so, can you explain the mechanism of these fires 1000 ft UP found their way deep into rubble?
The molten steel pours downwards, so it was deposited in the ground. The rubble above it acts as an insulation. The firemen who dug into rubble faced the extreme heat, because they were the ones breaking this insulative layer.
@therealgreenbag, That is where your wrong, Skyscraper engineering and design it very niche knowing some science or simply knowing physics is not going to get you anywhere without knowing how to build skyscrapers and what is involved with it. Like progressive collapse, skyscrapers are built that if they do fail in an area that if they fall they fall straight down, it seems obvious since you would not want a skyscraper crushing half the city with it. Rely on people who have actual knowledge.
Radio transmission towers are also designed to fall st8 down upon a failure, they rarely ever do.
Nuclear fission reactions reach sun surface temps w/i a second of detonation. Underground they produce p-waves, <10Hz, which can not be heard by humans. The dust contains aluminasilicates, which only form at high temps. Granite is 72% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, feed stock of the dust.
@therealgreenbag, That is a false statement and i can tell you go to conspriacy websites to get this disinformation because "days" after the clean up you did NOT see beams cut sideways, fire fighters were on the scene threw out the process you have not a clue to the time frame of the photos besides that thermite cannot cut sideways threw core columns its impossible, it has never been used in a demolition of a building or been proven it would work. Its simply an unproven theory.
@JLaw012, and by the way part of your problem, for one thing you think you can figure all this out by watching a news clip and ignoring science. There is not ONE well known and respected scientific organization in the world that agrees with the conspiracies assertions, many have researched it. You are not a structural engineer, demolitions expert,building collapse forensic scientist, and have never designed or built a skyscraper. So why are you relying on yourself when you are clueless on this?
@therealgreenbag, if you are referring to the photos you might have seen then its simple, what the conspriacy website always "forget" to post are the photos of welders cutting the steel so they can transport the steel away. We know that they would have to do this because the beams are way to long to fit in a tractor trailor. There are photos of them cutting these beams, also, if it were thermite it would not be able to cut sideways perfectly threw a core column, its impossible.
@therealgreenbag, one of the unproven theories is that some type of "thermite" was used, besides the fact that there is zero evidence that this would work, lets say that "they" tried to use it..Thermite is a fast burning incendiary, they would have to used this on many core columns threw out the building, after the collapse NIST along with NYFD and others did inspect the steel which is at a warehouse in NYC currently. obviously even a rookie fireman would notice the burn mark on steel columns
One of the WTC design engineers, Leslie Robertson, had denied that people saw molten steel in the Ground Zero rubble. A video surfaced recently showing that in 2002 he claimed he had seen "a little river of molten steel" himself.
@TranshumanCyborg, its not a better explanation because the ONLY thing that would be able to keep metal molten for days on end would HAVE to be a consistent source of heat, period.
You also have no idea what kind of metal it was for all you know it was aluminum from the shell of the aircraft or WTC which has a lower melting point then other metals. Either way what we do know for a scientific FACT is that is not from ANY type of demolition.
@muzicmaker2001, We talked about this. It's because there is no evidence to suggest any type of demolition or incendiary like thermite could keep metal molten for days on end, therefore your whole idiotic molten metal theory is bogus. Period.
Oh ok, So, in other words, your fact. That really doesn't mean alot. Facts to consider: Thermite can reach temps over 4000 degrees. An ordinary fire can not. Even if it could, the fire was 1000 ft up and there's no logical mechanism for it to have reached the rubble and basement areas in 56 minutes or 102 mins. That's all..
@muzicmaker2001, No, it IS a FACT that thermite of any kind is a fast burning incendiary, therefore it could not keep metal molten for days. How about making us a useful video for once in your life and show us how this would be possible? Yeah, that's what i thought.
So, wait a sec. I didn't know that you were an expert on "any kind' of thermite including nano-thermite? Do you think its possible for a fire 1000 ft up to create the extreme temps buried in the rubble lasting for weeks? And to melt cars and firetrucks at ground zero? Again, simple logic. Nano-thermite can not cause a fire leading to these temps lasting for weeks but a fire alone that is 1000 ft up can? Think!!
@muzicmaker2001, Thermite is described in its definition as a fast burning incendiary you stupid fuck. if you disagree with this then why has Alex Jones or Dylan Avery or any other of those idiots proven otherwise? they certainly have the money to put up for the field tests.
Again, here's what you continue to miss. You state that thermite can not do this but you have yet to explain how fires 1000 ft up could have. Its that simple. if thermite did not do this, offer a logical explanation how these fires did? if your purpose on YT is defend the 911 lie, shouldn't you have some answers here? Talk to your boss about this, ok? He might be able to help ya...
@muzicmaker2001, No i don't have to explain anything. This videos premise is totally false and YOU who uploaded this shit pile of lies is the one who has to explain how thermite or demolition of any kind can keep metal molten for days, so can you explain how this works or not?
All in same post. LOL. Ya see. In a real debate, both sides should defend their point with evidence, logic and reasoning. But, you are somehow immuned to this? You won't explain it because you can't. Funny
@muzicmaker2001, Whose video is this? YOURS. The subject matter of the video is molten metal is it not? I am asking you a question regarding YOUR video and the claims YOU are making. So, can YOU explain how thermite or any other demolition could keep metal molten for days or not??
Since nano-thermite was found and didn't belong, it is a possibiliy. But, you have your own brain, right? You have been dedicated to defending the 911 lie for many years on YT now, right? I'm asking you to defend the official story and tell me how these fires 1000 ft up could keep metal molten for days? If you can't explain this, why are you here defending it? In other words, do your job...
@muzicmaker2001, no there is no proof it was found you are simply taking someone word for it. I am asking YOU to defend your OWN VIDEO, now explain answer it or shut up.
Uhh, Einstein. Your whole belief in this is just taking someone else's word for it so sink that in, ok? This is the accepted truth, so there must be evidence supporting this? So, can you defend your side or not? And you don't believe that nano-thermite was found but you want me to defend that it can sustain molten metal at ground zero? Read that back yourself and think, ok?
@muzicmaker2001, I don't need to defend "my side" i am not the one promoting conspiracies on the internet like YOU are doing. Since YOU posted this video that makes FALSE assertions then it is YOU that must defend it. So lets start THERE since that is what i was commenting on FIRST. Got it>?
@muzicmaker2001, I have been pointing out that guys like you lie, case in point this VIDEO. It is total bullshit and you can't defend it because you know i am right which is why you keep changing the subject and your inability to have a logical defense for it PROVES beyond a reasonable doubt that i am right......So i will wait for you to change the subject and not answer.....and my next response to you will be "haha, that's what i thought bitch"...
it was more than likely molten aluminum, which has a much lower melting point than steel..the fires alone could have created it, and kept it smoldering.
The big question is how did fires 1000 ft up create these extreme temps buried in the rubble and basements when the fires were most likely smothered or the fire impacted areas were ejected laterally during the collapse. Also, the heat recorded at ground zero was hotter than the heat recorded at the impact hole. Melted firetrucks and cars?
@itzahazylife Molten AL is silvery in a appearance whereas all the molten metal observed at ground zero was bright orange you can also look to see molten concrete AT the world trade center museum.
Molten metal discovered days or weeks after the collapse??? Well thank you for PROVING that its is not thermite or a demolitions that caused the collapse then geniuses.
Only a consistent heat source could keep any type of metal molten for that hours much less days on end, you know like a hot fire. Thermite and demolitions are fast and could not keep metal molten, its just a fact losers.
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
And can you describe the mechanism of how a small fire approx. 800-1000 ft up came to be in the basements and buried underground?
@muzicmaker2001, No answer the question. Tell me how thermite a fast burning incendiary or what type of demolitions could keep metal molten for days or weeks??
So you think fires 1000 ft up could've stayed ignited when the upper floors came down onto them and when most of the material was expelled laterally? Then, these fires had to sustain itself by igniting office supplies, but nano-thermite already located in the basements couldn't have just ignited office supplies to sustain itself? Does it also bother you at all that the max temps recorded from the fires are LOWER than the temps recorded in the rubble?
@muzicmaker2001, i see a lot of BS red herrings you keep trying to get off on ,but i won't bite. Lets keep on track here. You're saying you think nano thermite caught the stuff on fire after the building crashed? So you agree that thermite has nothing to do with molten metal and that the only thing that could keep the metal molten for days or weeks on end would be a fire or consistent heat source, am i right??
But, I'm asking you. What's the difference between fires lasting for weeks and 4500ºF thermite causing fires lasting for weeks? I'm missing your logic?
@muzicmaker2001, People such as yourself always claim that molten metal proves it must of been some type of thermite, when in fact molten metal has nothing to do with thermite because it does not have to ability to keep metal molten for days or weeks on end, we both know that you guys use this lame excuse to fool the dummies of your crowd, it is absurd to try to act like you meant all along that thermite caused the fires which led to the molten metal. Please, come on....
One again, the real question is did the fires 1000 ft up have to ability to reach the basements and rubble and sustain extreme heat lasting for weeks. If not, something else has to enter this equation. Very simple logic that you are missing.
@muzicmaker2001, Off track again music, stay with the question then we can move on after you answer it. Tell me exactly how Molten Metal proves the thermite theory? if you're suggesting that you think its impossible for fire to be under the ruble therefore it must of been a fire set by thermite then, well, you an idiot and we can just stop it at that...
When the fire at the impact hole theory is logically eliminated, nano-thermite then enters. This is not a hard concept to grasp but you are having a hard time with it for some reason?
@muzicmaker2001, You are trying to get off on an argument about a the fact that there was obviously a fire going on at the impact hole when the WTC fell, to avoid answering my simple question the fact that you keep avoiding the question shows me you are full of shit just like that stupid molten metal argument.
Structural steel melts around 2750ºF. Thermite can react at temps around 4500ºF. This is not brain surgery. Again, I am missing your logic. Please explain it to me.
@muzicmaker2001, That is meaningless, you claim molten metal found days or weeks after the collapse proves if was some type of thermite, how does a fast burning incendiary keep metal molten for that long?? Simple question idiot.
Was nano-thermite heard of before 911? Was fire? Again, if you eliminate the known theory of just fire, a new theory must enter. Can fires 1000 ft up create molten metal in the basements and rubble? And these extreme temps were found with all three buildings that collapsed, so obviously it is not due to a plane impact, jet fuel or fire. I know this is your job, but don't embarass youself.
@muzicmaker2001, great then explain the theory then!!, tell me how thermite of any kind would keep metal molten for days or weeks on end seeing that its a fast burning incendiary?!?!
Ok, hold onto something. Heat from nano-thermite created the molten metal and it lasted for weeks. No calculator needed at all, right? This is also why this heat was found underneath the Towers and WTC7. Ok, what else ya got?
@muzicmaker2001, Hello moron, metal would harden within hours of melting point or did you miss science class in highschool? the only thing that would be able to keep it molten for that long is a consistent heat source which nano thermite is NOT, what don't you understand about that?
And this consistent heat source was fires 1000 ft up? Really? Isn't about time you sink your brain into that? Once you eliminate the official version, another theory has to enter. And there were no raging fires at WTC7 either. Its time to deal with this and get off this merry-go-round and the government pay check, huh?
@muzicmaker2001, Are you simply going to evade the question with red herrings? you make the claim that molten metal found days/weeks later proves it was some type of thermite, how does thermite keep metal molten for that long?? if you can't answer then i suggest you stop using it as an argument.
"Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen and does not require any external source of air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered and may ignite in any environment, given sufficient initial heat."
@muzicmaker2001, So stupid. For one thing it does not contain its own supply of oxygen its in powder or gel form, secondly, for the 10th time, how the hell do you think that explains how it would keep metal molten for days??!!
@muzicmaker2001, yea lol because you full of shit. If you had a bit of proof that thermite would could cause molten metal for days on end then you would of proved it by now, but you DON'T which is why you keep running around like a chicken avoiding the question. You have been OWNED! Go back to the kiddie pool little boy....
Thermite has the heat capability and doesn't need external oxygen. Running around? I'm telling you. LOL. These are facts, not my opinions. And should the real question be how did those fires sustain this heat and cause molten metal from 1000 ft up? Aren't you avoiding this? Funny...
@muzicmaker2001, OMG! Thermite is a fast burning incendiary, where is can burn downwards threw metal it burns out fast, leaving the metal to become solid probably within hours, if you would like to show proof that it can keep metal molten for days or weeks then provide the links, otherwise stop using it as an argument.
Welcome to the unknown called nano-thermite, not thermite. And can you show the proof that fires 1000 up caused the extreme temps buried in the rubble and possibly took a bus over to WTC7 and caused the extreme temps there also? There are two sides, remember? My side and your side. You conveniently avoid defending your side because logically, it can't be defended.
@muzicmaker2001,Yep, Busted "the unknown world" thanks for just admitting you have no idea what you're talking about. You base you assertions on "the unknown" which is code for "stupid assumptions based on no evidence". Sizzle, losing.
Funny. Yep. Let me know when you can explain the mechanism of how these fires created this extreme heat in the rubble and basements and when the BS stops? I have yet to hear any shill....errr...debunker logically explain it. And this is what supposedly happened, right? Shouldn't there be an explanation to go along with it? No?
@muzicmaker2001 , Here is what we know, No demolitions could do this, No kind of thermite could do this. We know you go around claiming to have the answers when obviously you do not, so how is it that clearly YOU are the liar here yet you try to say I am illogical and full of BS?? lol, what a pathetic attempt. FAIL.
The evidence is there, but the people close their heart and their brain and they dont wanna believe that it was their own gouverment who did this massaker, only to get into Irak/Afghanistan/Pakistan.
9/11 was 100% an inside job by america. they obviously pulled it off knowing their own citizens are too stupid to realize the truth but unfortunately for them, the rest of the world knows the truth. science and math does not lie.
@blackjerryboymetal In the video where you try and imitate buckethead ( which was a parody of shred metal not to be taken seriously btw) you mess up so bad on the solo you go right back to playing power chords. Maybe if you spent a little less time criticizing truthers and more time practicing huh! Who cares about 911 right now lets talk about your guitar playing and how much you suck! P.S. SHRED IS DEAD!
@blackjerryboymetal Your guitar music sux btw. Your sometimes 8 min long guitar videos consist of nothing but the same two MAYBE three power chords throughout the whole video and power chords are the easiest thing to play on guitar they only take two fingers and you are playing under distortion to hide your mistakes! You say you have been playing for 23 years if so that is PATHETIC!
@blackjerryboymetal You still just sit behind your computer its all just hollow threats. Just take me up on my offer man to man and if you just keep saying I'm a dummy and a bitch and you don't acknowledge my offer of meeting up for a real fight then by doing so you are the real coward. Notice how this has boiled down to an insult fest because your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on anymore. Madrid tower still stood you don't have any answer all you can do is whine whine whine!
Oh and the steel frame structure was still intact on the Windsor. Now you are just contradicting yourself. Let me ask you if the steel structure came "down" on the Windsor what WAS left standing? I am guessing you don't have an answer.
@blackjerryboymetal Ok well lets set up a public boxing match Uve Boll style and I will be the side of 911 truth and you will be the side of an annoying whiny asshole guy who can't except facts that are right in front of his face and the whole thing will go to the charity of our choice. Name the place for the event! P.S. this is not a joke I am dead serious and I am not fat at all I am 6'3 215 lbs of muscle and if we do have a boxing match you are gonna get your ass handed to you!
@anewlow23 and you haven't listed any in your reply here either nor on your website it seems to just be a trial of United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui no building links there hmm maybe you are refering to your youtube account where one of your favorited videos shows us the Windsor building still standing after fire. Let's meet up in person bet you wouldn't call me dummy to my face
@blackjerryboymetal Did you read that in wikipedia? The Kader Toy factory is located in Bangkok Thailand actually and it says in that same article that the buildings were all very poorly designed and full of toys and raw materials that fueled the blaze but none of that matters because none of the steel high rises you mention had MOLTEN METAL in the rumble!
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@anothercountyheard I'm an boilermaker soon to be ironworker, I work with steel all the time. I am a logical thinker, and pride myself on looking at both sides of any issue. However, in this case I have tried my best to not believe this is some type of conspiracy. To my surprise it is too weird that the steel stayed this hot for 3 months. I cannot comprehend the amazingly hot temperatures it took to do this. My opinion is now that this was intentionally caused.
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YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation to your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain. Well PUNK!?
@blackjerryboymetal YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation to your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain. Well PUNK!?
How's your puke friend Larrry Silverstein doing? You traitorous pig.
@blackjerryboymetal YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain.
"There have been over a dozen steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire alone. Dummy. Look em up..."
Now, can you post some examples of steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire? There are over a dozen, right? Who's the Dummy now? I'll give you one guess?
Over a dozen? Wow. Can you post just TWO steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire in your next post. Is that too hard? Just two. I wait patiently.
@blackjerryboymetal You lying piece of SHIT. You and the FEMA piss are BOTH liars. Neither aircarft were at cruise; nice try pissface.
What next you traitorous porker? Are you going to say that a "jet crashing into it at 590mph" caused WTC SEVEN to collapse? ASSHOLE.
How is your scumbag friend Larry Silverstein these days? Did he get his $4,7,000,000,000.00 handed to him by that whoremonger lizard Elliot Spitzer? Another Talmudic PIG. Just like you
Still no example of a steel framed high rise that collapsed and he's calling everyone else dummies. Look in the mirror. Quick question. How does it feel to wake up everyday and spread lies on the backs of the 3000 911 victims? Feels good?
Yes, there were so many floors left that all they had to do was just add on to the existing floors to rebuild the Towers. Are you 13 yrs old? Do your parents know you're up right now? Can I talk to them? And, I failed to notice any examples in your post of steel high rises that have collapsed due to fire?
@blackjerryboymetal --We already know that they did You fuckin loser. Slippin in the "jumbo jet" routine. Nice try puke ROTFL!!!
The WTC design intent included multiple strikes of the four engine 707, a bird VERY close, but ALOT faster than the two-engine 767
Get a life you Talmudic pig
No fire has EVER brought down a structural steel building prior to the appearance of fuckturds like you and your zionist pigface friend Larry Silverstein
And I suppose the entire nation of Spain is lying about the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire that burned for TWENTY-TWO HOURS.
And never mind your Talmudic piss about "fire plus airliner." The WTC was designed in and for New York . . . ASSHOLE, do you actually believe that an airplane strike/fire was not anticipated in the engineering designs?
Perhaps the B-25 that nailed the Empire State Building, that old brick & rivets relic, also caused collapse
Who is the pukedrinker blackjerryboymetal? Where do these Talmudic rodents come from?
Perhaps this pathetic pukedrinker can explain how the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire of TWENTY-TWO HOURS makes his diversions about "fire proofing" utterly irrelevant.
If not, we'll help his sorry ass to the local pharmacy where he can get some ObamaCare drugs to calm himself (as he endures his little Talmudic cosmic bubble collapsing into the vile satanic heap that it-is).
Who is the pukedrinker blackjerryboymetal? Where do these Talmudic rodents come from?
Perhaps this pathetic pukedrinker can explain how the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire of TWENTY-TWO HOURS makes his diversions about "fire proofing" utterly irrelevant.
If not, we'll help his sorry ass to the local pharmacy where he can get some ObamaCare drugs to calm himself (as he endures his little Talmudic cosmic bubble collapse into the vile satanic heap that it-is).
Please look up the thermal conductivity of steel and use your head..
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
British and Steel Building Research performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel-framed buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were NOT PROTECTED. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 1,500-1,700 F in three of the tests well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 1,100 F, no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments.
SexyMelon So let me see if understand your position. The planes were hijacked and flown into the buildings as cover for the planned demolition of the WTC, so it would look like a terrorist attack? Question: Did Mohammad Atta and the other hijackers agree to sacrifice themselves so that the plot of the "real conspirators" wouldn't be uncovered?
I hate to say it, but we were lied to by our own government. Have they ever really told the truth? I think not! How many of you know that the federal reserve act was passed during a holiday vacation when most electives weren't there to vote on it? Some people just cannot think beyond controlled media, and I find that very pathetic! But don't take my word for it.. just try passing a security screening at the airport and ask yourself if we still have our 4th Amendment.
I suppose the fact that the planes were hijacked and run into the buildings was just "cover" for the actual demolition. This makes me wonder, though, if pre-positioned explosives did bring down the two towers, why were the two planes even necessary? And since the White House was also an intended target, are there explosives planted in the White House waiting for a plane to hit it? ... One more question: Were the explosives placed by invisible aliens working for the administration?
@54683NS The problem with just demolishing buildings is, it would produce no media coverage, which is the whole point of, you know, terrorism.
More importantly, however, it would mean an investigation of the explosive residue, and that could very well lead back to people who set the thing up. Now we have planes, any no such investigation has indeed ever followed.
I assume the "smoking gun" for the conspiracy theorists is the fact that a guy wearing a suit and tie who was interviewed on MSNBC said: "It's direct evidence for the use of high temperature explosives such as thermite. Thermite produces molten iron as an end product." ... Therefore, since molten iron was found in the ruins of the WTC, thermite or some other explosive must have been used to blow up the buildings.
Ninja I once spent about a week arguing with a truther about the concrete core. I had to chase up references and links and after a lot of work he conceded. Thats is why I'm a bit impatient about this silly claim. Look at those two links u posted (they are the same text). There is a picture showing that there is no concrete core. Read the attempted explanation. Does that make sense to you?
Re the firefighters, yes they were on one of the floors which didn't have a lot of fire. .... and?
"Cool temperatures in the collision zone were also confirmed by an audiotape indicating that firefighters reached the area of the crash damage in the South Tower, and reported survivable temperatures there."
steel and concrete core, housing lift shafts and stairwells."
Who would state such crazy talk??
"Still, (Leslie) Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did"
The Windsor tower had a concrete core which kept the building up after the steel had collapsed. The fire caused the steel to soften and fail. It actually supports the official story but truthers don't get that and keep referring to it. Pretty funny.
The WTC's had concrete cores as well... and your point is?? Is this your point?
"The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in a given location."
"WTC's had concrete cores as well." ... and there you go again. The WTC DID NOT have a concrete core. Do some reading and you will make a fool of yourself less.
"he initial jet fuel fires themselves" .. You post this like there is a point? Read some of the NIST report (as if that would happen), the jet fuel only ignited the fire.
"Those firemen were on the 78th floor at the time, which did not have much fire on it."
"Edna Cintron was at the coldest part of the building...where it was the most ventilated."
(impact zone floors 78-84)
So if the blazing inferno of intense heat wasn't where the supposed plane crashed nor just below it... if heat doesn't normally rise which would cook Edna & the firemen as if at the top of a stove pipe... hey wait a minute here?
"Most of the fuel was seen OUTSIDE in the subsequent fireball." No just because you see an explosion you are making the leap of faith that most of the fuel must have burnt outside the building. This is wrong. A portion of the fuel would have certainly ignited outside but most of it was taken into the building.
"& INSPECTED." Yes there are plenty of procedures and rules in place but offices require paper and other materials to operate. Can't you understand this?
"How can people be standing in a room that has a supposed gaseous ambient temperature of 1100 degrees??" They can't. Several hundred people jumped.
"How would fuel that theoretically "pored down elevator shafts" not also be present in the crash zone?? " It was present. There is testimony from throughout the building of people smelling the jet fuel. I can send u a link if you want.
"What you truthers do is the equivalent of putting your hands over your eyes and screaming la la la la." ~ markh1011
"NIST claimed the perimeter columns saw increased loads of between 0 and 25% due to the damage, but it never reconciled this with the original claim that these columns could resist 2000% increases in live load."
Kevin Ryan is an idiot who was fired for making false claims on subjects he knew little about and embarrassing his company. He did not work for NIST ninja he worked for UL. He made claims about
The columns were not over engineered to withstand 2000% live load. There is no such design requirement.
AND ..once ..again, the damage alone did not cause the collapse.
Can't comprehend that these are actual quotes from real people? Any observation that doesn't fit your narrow view of reality is readily dismissed. Why?
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
~ Kamal S. Obeid
(structural engineer, with a MASTERS DEGREE in Engineering from UC Berkeley)
"Can't comprehend that these are actual quotes from real people?" Yes they are actual quotes that describe exploding noises.. of which there were many with very mundane explanations. You don't want to understand this. You are trying to kid yourself that it should have been silent.
"Kamal S. Obeid " - Lame, fallacious appeal to authority.
Posting random quotes from truthers wont help you.
So even a highly accredited engineer with a Masters Degree to you is just some loose nut escaped from a mental hospital in your eyes.
You suppose he got his worthless degree out of a gumball machine?
There are over a thousand now. Do you know where it is? I have a quarter 'burning a hole in my pocket' and I wanna become a super duper bad ass with a superiority complex too, just like you!
Just quoting an engineer as evidence is an appeal to authority ninja. Look it up if you don't understand the term.
"There are over a thousand now" Wow and still not one of them can get an article in a respected engineering journal. Isn't that odd? Surely they are aware of the process... There have been many article from engineers that support the official story.
The ae911 site is a joke. Many of them have done no research on 9/11 and just added their name based on Gage's lies.
You moron you're not getting it. They took all precautions to make sure the structure DID NOT collapse. It was not a test to see if it would collapse. They had a series of tests to run and did not want it collapsing on the first one! Get it?
Many posers support the "Globil Warmin's" FRAUD as well... yeah, to keep their cushy job & status...and you just contradicted yourself, again. Is that on purpose or are you just having a bit of fun? "respected journal" Like what, Popular Mechanics? lol! "lame, fallacious appeal to authority; maybe you are dazzled by his qualifications...."
"many have done no research"
So by this you mean NIST? FEMA? U.L.?
Come to think of it THEY DO change their story to fit the 9/11Myth alot don't they?
Many posers support the "Globil Warmin's" FRAUD as well... yeah, to keep their cushy job & status...and you just contradicted yourself, again. Is that on purpose or are you just having a bit of fun? "respected journal" Like what, Popular Mechanics? lol! "lame, fallacious appeal to authority; maybe you are dazzled by his qualifications...." "many have done no research"
So by this you mean NIST? FEMA? U.L.?
Come to think of it THEY DO change their story to fit the 9/11Myth alot don't they?
Yeah, I was testing you with a simple factoid. Kudos for knowing the basics. (adjusts foil hat)
Vividly imagining you are correct, anyone that does not parrot NIST, FEMA group think theory, despite credentials, is "a moron" as you put it... ...that would include that Engineering News RECORD is actually a Comic Book in your eyes comprised of total fantasy?? Also, desks & chairs on fire makes tall buildings collapse all the time?? Damn! Am I lucky I don't live in a big city! (elated)
Sorry about your short memory. The posts below are telling. You contraindicate yourself and start off by calling several who commented morons.
You are an insult unto yourself however.
Then ignore the obvious. I suggest you take a good look in the mirror. According to you in your ill informed opinion; credentials are irrelevant anyways.
"calling several who commented morons." You were called a moron because you say utterly stupid things. You manage to get myths, mistakes or lies in nearly every post.
Usually truthers who are as poorly informed as you find themselves in an argument and give up, deciding that they need to research a bit more. You however just keep going and making an arse of yourself in with each post.
"credentials are irrelevant anyways" Evidence matters...
Just quoting an engineer who is a conspiracy theorist isn't evidence. There are plenty of engineers opposing him. If he is qualified why can't he get some of his research into a respected engineering journal like the engineers who did with their articles that support the official story? Hm?
Ok, Flight 11 impacts the North Tower and jet fuel disperses everywhere. Fire engulfs the whole area. 80 minutes after impact, Edna Cintron is seen at the impact hole. Obviously, she walked to the hole from somewhere else, correct? And there is only 20 mins more before collapse. Logical questions:
1. Did Edna walk over, thru, or around these extreme temps beneath her?
2. How could she breathe? Isn't jet fuel toxic?
3. Did the steel start heating up after she was seen?
1. "Did Edna walk over, thru, or around these extreme temps beneath her?" Who knows.. Considering the many who preferred to die on the concrete than burn, clearly there were some high temperatures....
2. "Isn't jet fuel toxic?" Maybe she was near a window who kows.. stop trying to pretend everything's a mystery.
3. She was in the coldest area. The other side of the building was the hottest.
Actually some steel may have cooled towards the end pulling the perimeter columns inward.
@markh1011 Yea most of the jetfuel on the of the impact zone was obsorbed by the inferno the rest was channeled threw elevator shafts 10,000 gallons that's alot....
"On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire, which "burned at temperatures in excess of 700°C (1,292°F) for over three hours and spread over some 65 percent of the 11th floor, including the core, it caused no serious structural damage to the steel structure. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced."
(Source: New York Times, Saturday 15th February 1975)
If thermite was present any steel it would have melted which would have been a vey small amount would have immediately solidified.
1Dougy85 4 weeks ago
Ambient fire temperature is governed by the amount of oxygen present, an updraft through the building's elevator shafts could increase the normal temperature of burning aircraft fuel. Anyone who has ever done gas welding knows that a given amount of fuel can be burnt and a higher temperature in the presence of pressurised oxygen.
PhilipMitchellGraham 2 months ago
BULLSHIT! The 'molten metal' pouring out of tower is yellow - it is too cool to be steel. 1100C is too cool. Molten steel is white hot. the liquid is probably a mix of aluminium and plastic. On the other hand, steel does not need to melt in order to loose most of its tensile strength and collapse. This well documented, so any terrorist could know this. You don't need thermite to destroy a skyscraper.
PhilipMitchellGraham 2 months ago
@PhilipMitchellGraham
Anyone with half a brain should know that black smoke....errr...fires some 1000 ft up did cause these temps buried in the rubble shown in the clip below. Even NIST did not find any evidence of these extreme temps in the steel. Coupled that with people seen walking directly on this steel supposedly heated to failure and it only takes a brain to figure this out.
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
muzicmaker2001 2 months ago
Have a look at my Grond Zero clips, too. They are worth watching.
ddetectivee 4 months ago
So. Lets see. We got molten steel on scene, and no way to produce such thing in official explanation by the burning Jet fuel or whatever was in the offices normally.
If thermite is the only way to explain this shit - then we must accept is as a ONLY passing truth, because everything else contradicts the evidence present and assume the official version is a big fat lie boiled up by those who did it.
Troubledove 5 months ago
@therealgreenbag, No the "Bush spin" is a bullshit line, it is a fact that that many well known and respected independent scientific organizations have researched the conspiracy claims and not ONE agrees with their claims, science is NOT on your side.
Also, name the source where you heard "Kabul was bombed with hours", October 7, 9 p.m is when the coalition made its first strike.
Also, why would "they" blame the attacks on Saudi's civilians then attack Afgan? plus there is nothing there anyway.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@JLaw012
Can any debunker please explain what caused this? Was it the small fires 800-1000 ft UP (the only heat source)? if so, can you explain the mechanism of these fires 1000 ft UP found their way deep into rubble?
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Uh the building collapsed while it was still burning, duh.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@JLaw012
Fires at the impact hole that couldn't harm people seen walking around them then went on to melt cars and firetrucks at ground zero? Alrighty then...
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Here we go...Ok, tell us what it was Music, we are all waiting for you theory. YOU tell US.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
The molten steel pours downwards, so it was deposited in the ground. The rubble above it acts as an insulation. The firemen who dug into rubble faced the extreme heat, because they were the ones breaking this insulative layer.
Physics. Learn them.
Troubledove 5 months ago
@therealgreenbag, That is where your wrong, Skyscraper engineering and design it very niche knowing some science or simply knowing physics is not going to get you anywhere without knowing how to build skyscrapers and what is involved with it. Like progressive collapse, skyscrapers are built that if they do fail in an area that if they fall they fall straight down, it seems obvious since you would not want a skyscraper crushing half the city with it. Rely on people who have actual knowledge.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@JLaw012 Al2O3 is also found in the bed rock.
Radio transmission towers are also designed to fall st8 down upon a failure, they rarely ever do.
Nuclear fission reactions reach sun surface temps w/i a second of detonation. Underground they produce p-waves, <10Hz, which can not be heard by humans. The dust contains aluminasilicates, which only form at high temps. Granite is 72% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, feed stock of the dust.
$6million man theory: energy comes from nowhere
Thermite is a red herring.
cheerdiver 6 months ago
@cheerdiver, Not sure what your point is, i agree that thermite is a red herring and totally unproven.
JLaw012 6 months ago
@therealgreenbag, That is a false statement and i can tell you go to conspriacy websites to get this disinformation because "days" after the clean up you did NOT see beams cut sideways, fire fighters were on the scene threw out the process you have not a clue to the time frame of the photos besides that thermite cannot cut sideways threw core columns its impossible, it has never been used in a demolition of a building or been proven it would work. Its simply an unproven theory.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@JLaw012, and by the way part of your problem, for one thing you think you can figure all this out by watching a news clip and ignoring science. There is not ONE well known and respected scientific organization in the world that agrees with the conspiracies assertions, many have researched it. You are not a structural engineer, demolitions expert,building collapse forensic scientist, and have never designed or built a skyscraper. So why are you relying on yourself when you are clueless on this?
JLaw012 7 months ago
@therealgreenbag, if you are referring to the photos you might have seen then its simple, what the conspriacy website always "forget" to post are the photos of welders cutting the steel so they can transport the steel away. We know that they would have to do this because the beams are way to long to fit in a tractor trailor. There are photos of them cutting these beams, also, if it were thermite it would not be able to cut sideways perfectly threw a core column, its impossible.
JLaw012 7 months ago
@therealgreenbag, one of the unproven theories is that some type of "thermite" was used, besides the fact that there is zero evidence that this would work, lets say that "they" tried to use it..Thermite is a fast burning incendiary, they would have to used this on many core columns threw out the building, after the collapse NIST along with NYFD and others did inspect the steel which is at a warehouse in NYC currently. obviously even a rookie fireman would notice the burn mark on steel columns
JLaw012 7 months ago
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One of the WTC design engineers, Leslie Robertson, had denied that people saw molten steel in the Ground Zero rubble. A video surfaced recently showing that in 2002 he claimed he had seen "a little river of molten steel" himself.
See my video:
The 9/11 "Deep Mystery" and the Crazy Engineers
punxsutawneybarney 8 months ago
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KillingDarwin 8 months ago
@KillingDarwin No ww and it is an org site, remove the spaces
KillingDarwin 8 months ago
@TranshumanCyborg, its not a better explanation because the ONLY thing that would be able to keep metal molten for days on end would HAVE to be a consistent source of heat, period.
You also have no idea what kind of metal it was for all you know it was aluminum from the shell of the aircraft or WTC which has a lower melting point then other metals. Either way what we do know for a scientific FACT is that is not from ANY type of demolition.
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
Scientific fact? How did you determine this?
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, We talked about this. It's because there is no evidence to suggest any type of demolition or incendiary like thermite could keep metal molten for days on end, therefore your whole idiotic molten metal theory is bogus. Period.
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
Oh ok, So, in other words, your fact. That really doesn't mean alot. Facts to consider: Thermite can reach temps over 4000 degrees. An ordinary fire can not. Even if it could, the fire was 1000 ft up and there's no logical mechanism for it to have reached the rubble and basement areas in 56 minutes or 102 mins. That's all..
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, No, it IS a FACT that thermite of any kind is a fast burning incendiary, therefore it could not keep metal molten for days. How about making us a useful video for once in your life and show us how this would be possible? Yeah, that's what i thought.
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
So, wait a sec. I didn't know that you were an expert on "any kind' of thermite including nano-thermite? Do you think its possible for a fire 1000 ft up to create the extreme temps buried in the rubble lasting for weeks? And to melt cars and firetrucks at ground zero? Again, simple logic. Nano-thermite can not cause a fire leading to these temps lasting for weeks but a fire alone that is 1000 ft up can? Think!!
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Thermite is described in its definition as a fast burning incendiary you stupid fuck. if you disagree with this then why has Alex Jones or Dylan Avery or any other of those idiots proven otherwise? they certainly have the money to put up for the field tests.
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
Again, here's what you continue to miss. You state that thermite can not do this but you have yet to explain how fires 1000 ft up could have. Its that simple. if thermite did not do this, offer a logical explanation how these fires did? if your purpose on YT is defend the 911 lie, shouldn't you have some answers here? Talk to your boss about this, ok? He might be able to help ya...
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, No i don't have to explain anything. This videos premise is totally false and YOU who uploaded this shit pile of lies is the one who has to explain how thermite or demolition of any kind can keep metal molten for days, so can you explain how this works or not?
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
"No i don't have to explain anything"
(and)
"can you explain how this works or not"
All in same post. LOL. Ya see. In a real debate, both sides should defend their point with evidence, logic and reasoning. But, you are somehow immuned to this? You won't explain it because you can't. Funny
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Whose video is this? YOURS. The subject matter of the video is molten metal is it not? I am asking you a question regarding YOUR video and the claims YOU are making. So, can YOU explain how thermite or any other demolition could keep metal molten for days or not??
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
Since nano-thermite was found and didn't belong, it is a possibiliy. But, you have your own brain, right? You have been dedicated to defending the 911 lie for many years on YT now, right? I'm asking you to defend the official story and tell me how these fires 1000 ft up could keep metal molten for days? If you can't explain this, why are you here defending it? In other words, do your job...
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, no there is no proof it was found you are simply taking someone word for it. I am asking YOU to defend your OWN VIDEO, now explain answer it or shut up.
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
Uhh, Einstein. Your whole belief in this is just taking someone else's word for it so sink that in, ok? This is the accepted truth, so there must be evidence supporting this? So, can you defend your side or not? And you don't believe that nano-thermite was found but you want me to defend that it can sustain molten metal at ground zero? Read that back yourself and think, ok?
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, I don't need to defend "my side" i am not the one promoting conspiracies on the internet like YOU are doing. Since YOU posted this video that makes FALSE assertions then it is YOU that must defend it. So lets start THERE since that is what i was commenting on FIRST. Got it>?
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012
But, you have been on here for years defending 911? Ok..makes sense.
muzicmaker2001 8 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, I have been pointing out that guys like you lie, case in point this VIDEO. It is total bullshit and you can't defend it because you know i am right which is why you keep changing the subject and your inability to have a logical defense for it PROVES beyond a reasonable doubt that i am right......So i will wait for you to change the subject and not answer.....and my next response to you will be "haha, that's what i thought bitch"...
JLaw012 8 months ago
@JLaw012 'Promote' sounds like somebody's lying, thermite is the only material that can make that. Nobody can fight REALITY not you not me.
cypresspuz 8 months ago
it was more than likely molten aluminum, which has a much lower melting point than steel..the fires alone could have created it, and kept it smoldering.
itzahazylife 9 months ago
@itzahazylife
The big question is how did fires 1000 ft up create these extreme temps buried in the rubble and basements when the fires were most likely smothered or the fire impacted areas were ejected laterally during the collapse. Also, the heat recorded at ground zero was hotter than the heat recorded at the impact hole. Melted firetrucks and cars?
watch?v=Zww9-AaIgrw
muzicmaker2001 9 months ago
@itzahazylife Molten AL is silvery in a appearance whereas all the molten metal observed at ground zero was bright orange you can also look to see molten concrete AT the world trade center museum.
anewlow23 9 months ago
Molten metal discovered days or weeks after the collapse??? Well thank you for PROVING that its is not thermite or a demolitions that caused the collapse then geniuses.
Only a consistent heat source could keep any type of metal molten for that hours much less days on end, you know like a hot fire. Thermite and demolitions are fast and could not keep metal molten, its just a fact losers.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
"you know like a hot fire."
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
And can you describe the mechanism of how a small fire approx. 800-1000 ft up came to be in the basements and buried underground?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, No answer the question. Tell me how thermite a fast burning incendiary or what type of demolitions could keep metal molten for days or weeks??
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
So you think fires 1000 ft up could've stayed ignited when the upper floors came down onto them and when most of the material was expelled laterally? Then, these fires had to sustain itself by igniting office supplies, but nano-thermite already located in the basements couldn't have just ignited office supplies to sustain itself? Does it also bother you at all that the max temps recorded from the fires are LOWER than the temps recorded in the rubble?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, i see a lot of BS red herrings you keep trying to get off on ,but i won't bite. Lets keep on track here. You're saying you think nano thermite caught the stuff on fire after the building crashed? So you agree that thermite has nothing to do with molten metal and that the only thing that could keep the metal molten for days or weeks on end would be a fire or consistent heat source, am i right??
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
You tell me...
melting point of typical structural steel-2750ºF
thermite reaction max temp-4500ºF
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, No, i am asking you. How could any type of thermite keep metal molten for days or weeks on end??
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
But, I'm asking you. What's the difference between fires lasting for weeks and 4500ºF thermite causing fires lasting for weeks? I'm missing your logic?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, People such as yourself always claim that molten metal proves it must of been some type of thermite, when in fact molten metal has nothing to do with thermite because it does not have to ability to keep metal molten for days or weeks on end, we both know that you guys use this lame excuse to fool the dummies of your crowd, it is absurd to try to act like you meant all along that thermite caused the fires which led to the molten metal. Please, come on....
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
One again, the real question is did the fires 1000 ft up have to ability to reach the basements and rubble and sustain extreme heat lasting for weeks. If not, something else has to enter this equation. Very simple logic that you are missing.
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Off track again music, stay with the question then we can move on after you answer it. Tell me exactly how Molten Metal proves the thermite theory? if you're suggesting that you think its impossible for fire to be under the ruble therefore it must of been a fire set by thermite then, well, you an idiot and we can just stop it at that...
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
When the fire at the impact hole theory is logically eliminated, nano-thermite then enters. This is not a hard concept to grasp but you are having a hard time with it for some reason?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, You are trying to get off on an argument about a the fact that there was obviously a fire going on at the impact hole when the WTC fell, to avoid answering my simple question the fact that you keep avoiding the question shows me you are full of shit just like that stupid molten metal argument.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Structural steel melts around 2750ºF. Thermite can react at temps around 4500ºF. This is not brain surgery. Again, I am missing your logic. Please explain it to me.
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, That is meaningless, you claim molten metal found days or weeks after the collapse proves if was some type of thermite, how does a fast burning incendiary keep metal molten for that long?? Simple question idiot.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Was nano-thermite heard of before 911? Was fire? Again, if you eliminate the known theory of just fire, a new theory must enter. Can fires 1000 ft up create molten metal in the basements and rubble? And these extreme temps were found with all three buildings that collapsed, so obviously it is not due to a plane impact, jet fuel or fire. I know this is your job, but don't embarass youself.
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, great then explain the theory then!!, tell me how thermite of any kind would keep metal molten for days or weeks on end seeing that its a fast burning incendiary?!?!
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Ok, hold onto something. Heat from nano-thermite created the molten metal and it lasted for weeks. No calculator needed at all, right? This is also why this heat was found underneath the Towers and WTC7. Ok, what else ya got?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Hello moron, metal would harden within hours of melting point or did you miss science class in highschool? the only thing that would be able to keep it molten for that long is a consistent heat source which nano thermite is NOT, what don't you understand about that?
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
And this consistent heat source was fires 1000 ft up? Really? Isn't about time you sink your brain into that? Once you eliminate the official version, another theory has to enter. And there were no raging fires at WTC7 either. Its time to deal with this and get off this merry-go-round and the government pay check, huh?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, Are you simply going to evade the question with red herrings? you make the claim that molten metal found days/weeks later proves it was some type of thermite, how does thermite keep metal molten for that long?? if you can't answer then i suggest you stop using it as an argument.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
"Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen and does not require any external source of air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered and may ignite in any environment, given sufficient initial heat."
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, So stupid. For one thing it does not contain its own supply of oxygen its in powder or gel form, secondly, for the 10th time, how the hell do you think that explains how it would keep metal molten for days??!!
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
LOL. The quotes around my last post were not because I said it. Look it up genius.
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, yea lol because you full of shit. If you had a bit of proof that thermite would could cause molten metal for days on end then you would of proved it by now, but you DON'T which is why you keep running around like a chicken avoiding the question. You have been OWNED! Go back to the kiddie pool little boy....
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Thermite has the heat capability and doesn't need external oxygen. Running around? I'm telling you. LOL. These are facts, not my opinions. And should the real question be how did those fires sustain this heat and cause molten metal from 1000 ft up? Aren't you avoiding this? Funny...
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001, OMG! Thermite is a fast burning incendiary, where is can burn downwards threw metal it burns out fast, leaving the metal to become solid probably within hours, if you would like to show proof that it can keep metal molten for days or weeks then provide the links, otherwise stop using it as an argument.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Welcome to the unknown called nano-thermite, not thermite. And can you show the proof that fires 1000 up caused the extreme temps buried in the rubble and possibly took a bus over to WTC7 and caused the extreme temps there also? There are two sides, remember? My side and your side. You conveniently avoid defending your side because logically, it can't be defended.
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
@muzicmaker2001,Yep, Busted "the unknown world" thanks for just admitting you have no idea what you're talking about. You base you assertions on "the unknown" which is code for "stupid assumptions based on no evidence". Sizzle, losing.
JLaw012 10 months ago
@JLaw012
Funny. Yep. Let me know when you can explain the mechanism of how these fires created this extreme heat in the rubble and basements and when the BS stops? I have yet to hear any shill....errr...debunker logically explain it. And this is what supposedly happened, right? Shouldn't there be an explanation to go along with it? No?
muzicmaker2001 10 months ago
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@muzicmaker2001 , Here is what we know, No demolitions could do this, No kind of thermite could do this. We know you go around claiming to have the answers when obviously you do not, so how is it that clearly YOU are the liar here yet you try to say I am illogical and full of BS?? lol, what a pathetic attempt. FAIL.
JLaw012 10 months ago
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They will pay for this
aadrianlee 11 months ago
The evidence is there, but the people close their heart and their brain and they dont wanna believe that it was their own gouverment who did this massaker, only to get into Irak/Afghanistan/Pakistan.
HipHopMaster555 1 year ago
9/11 was 100% an inside job by america. they obviously pulled it off knowing their own citizens are too stupid to realize the truth but unfortunately for them, the rest of the world knows the truth. science and math does not lie.
provex0 1 year ago
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@provex0 science and math means jack shit when you believe a god created everything.
Gonken88 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal In the video where you try and imitate buckethead ( which was a parody of shred metal not to be taken seriously btw) you mess up so bad on the solo you go right back to playing power chords. Maybe if you spent a little less time criticizing truthers and more time practicing huh! Who cares about 911 right now lets talk about your guitar playing and how much you suck! P.S. SHRED IS DEAD!
anewlow23 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal Your guitar music sux btw. Your sometimes 8 min long guitar videos consist of nothing but the same two MAYBE three power chords throughout the whole video and power chords are the easiest thing to play on guitar they only take two fingers and you are playing under distortion to hide your mistakes! You say you have been playing for 23 years if so that is PATHETIC!
anewlow23 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Maybe try taking your meds and then posting the examples?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
I tihink you must've posted it using one of your sock puppet accounts. Can you post it here now dummy?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal You still just sit behind your computer its all just hollow threats. Just take me up on my offer man to man and if you just keep saying I'm a dummy and a bitch and you don't acknowledge my offer of meeting up for a real fight then by doing so you are the real coward. Notice how this has boiled down to an insult fest because your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on anymore. Madrid tower still stood you don't have any answer all you can do is whine whine whine!
anewlow23 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Are you now ready to post the "over a dozen" examples of steel high rises that have collapsed due to fire? No?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Don't take this kid too serious. He spreads this same BS all over youtube in a desperate need for attention.
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
Oh and the steel frame structure was still intact on the Windsor. Now you are just contradicting yourself. Let me ask you if the steel structure came "down" on the Windsor what WAS left standing? I am guessing you don't have an answer.
anewlow23 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal Ok well lets set up a public boxing match Uve Boll style and I will be the side of 911 truth and you will be the side of an annoying whiny asshole guy who can't except facts that are right in front of his face and the whole thing will go to the charity of our choice. Name the place for the event! P.S. this is not a joke I am dead serious and I am not fat at all I am 6'3 215 lbs of muscle and if we do have a boxing match you are gonna get your ass handed to you!
anewlow23 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Stel framed high rise fires with no collapse..unlike the steel reinforced concrete Windsor:
Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire, lasted: 3 hrs
First Interstate Bank Fire, lasted:3.5 hrs
1 New York Plaza Fire, lasted: 6 hrs
Caracas Tower Fire, lasted: 17 hrs
One Meridian Plaza Fire, lasted:18 hrs
South Tower, lasted a whopping 56 minutes!!!
North Tower, lasted 102 minutes
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@anewlow23 and you haven't listed any in your reply here either nor on your website it seems to just be a trial of United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui no building links there hmm maybe you are refering to your youtube account where one of your favorited videos shows us the Windsor building still standing after fire. Let's meet up in person bet you wouldn't call me dummy to my face
ripperarn 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal Did you read that in wikipedia? The Kader Toy factory is located in Bangkok Thailand actually and it says in that same article that the buildings were all very poorly designed and full of toys and raw materials that fueled the blaze but none of that matters because none of the steel high rises you mention had MOLTEN METAL in the rumble!
anewlow23 1 year ago
watch out for agents on these message boards. they are here to confuse you and waste your time. you'll know them by their name-calling, belittling, ad hominem
(personal) attacks, fallacious examples & citations. some seem to be well
armed with "facts" probably prepared for them. their channels will be new,
with few or no uploads, and they won't have many friends. see POLICE SPYING COINTELPRO video --- you'll be surprised
anothercountyheard 1 year ago
@anothercountyheard I'm an boilermaker soon to be ironworker, I work with steel all the time. I am a logical thinker, and pride myself on looking at both sides of any issue. However, in this case I have tried my best to not believe this is some type of conspiracy. To my surprise it is too weird that the steel stayed this hot for 3 months. I cannot comprehend the amazingly hot temperatures it took to do this. My opinion is now that this was intentionally caused.
theman4130 1 year ago
@theman4130 best evidence for demolition , this heat & molten metal. 6" thick
solid steel ( SOLID not I-beams ) bent like fuckin plastic ! that impressed me.
anothercountyheard 1 year ago
Near 1,300 professional architects, engineers & 10,000 supporters now pound the table 4 investigations into 9/11 Towers collapse. They know & can prove government's story is impossible lie. Is Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, gona call them all un-American air head loons- or just ignore them? Film "911 Missing Links." com gets 2 who & why of 9/11. Republic Broadcasting. org is only radio with courage 2 name the criminal Kabbal. Richard Gage AE 911 Truth. Org
2ndSamuel710 1 year ago
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@blackjerryboymetal Larry Silverstein LOVES scum like you.
YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation to your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain. Well PUNK!?
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
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@blackjerryboymetal
@blackjerryboymetal YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation to your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain. Well PUNK!?
How's your puke friend Larrry Silverstein doing? You traitorous pig.
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal YOU SORRY PUNK! That piece of shit in Thailand has NO CORRELATION to the WTC, and only a fuckin ASSHOLE would list that garbage. If there were ANY correlation your PISS, then the perps of 9/11 would have already pointed to that flimsy piece of shit.
BTW asssssssssssshoooooooooooole, we're still waiting for your punk ass to discuss Spain.
Well PUNK!
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
That's your rebuttal? And this is the average 911 troll...
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Just review what you said..
"There have been over a dozen steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire alone. Dummy. Look em up..."
Now, can you post some examples of steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire? There are over a dozen, right? Who's the Dummy now? I'll give you one guess?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
I said steel framed high rises, not poorly constructed 4 story buildings...Dummy..LOL
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Over a dozen? Wow. Can you post just TWO steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire in your next post. Is that too hard? Just two. I wait patiently.
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
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@blackjerryboymetal "There have been over a dozen steel framed high rises that have collapsed due to fire alone. Dummy. Look em up..."
Well then shit-for-brains, even a Talmudic rodent like you ought to be able to NAME ONE.
Well scumbag? Got a name for us?
You're a total liar and a fool, and the rest of us KNOW it.
Get a life jerkmunch.
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal Well then shit-for-brains, even a Talmudic rodent like you ought to be able to NAME ONE.
Well scumbag?
BTW scumface, where's your response on your buddies here:
"You mean "jihadis" like these five??
Oded Ellner, Paul Kurzberg, Sivan Kurzberg, Omer Marmari, Yaron Shmuel
Well asssssssssshooooooooooole?
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
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@blackjerryboymetal You lying piece of SHIT. You and the FEMA piss are BOTH liars. Neither aircarft were at cruise; nice try pissface.
What next you traitorous porker? Are you going to say that a "jet crashing into it at 590mph" caused WTC SEVEN to collapse? ASSHOLE.
How is your scumbag friend Larry Silverstein these days? Did he get his $4,7,000,000,000.00 handed to him by that whoremonger lizard Elliot Spitzer? Another Talmudic PIG. Just like you
Your game is up shitface.
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal We are going to drag your Talmudic ass out into the light of day for ALL TO SEE, you satanic maggot.
You mean "jihadis" like these five??
Oded Ellner
Paul Kurzberg
Sivan Kurzberg
Omer Marmari
Yaron Shmuel
Well asssssssssshooooooooooole?
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal NAME ONE, you total punk. Name one! Well scumface? If these are "on the net" certainly your sorry Talmudic filth can name ONE.
Asssssssssssssssssssssshooooooooooooooooooooole!
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Still no example of a steel framed high rise that collapsed and he's calling everyone else dummies. Look in the mirror. Quick question. How does it feel to wake up everyday and spread lies on the backs of the 3000 911 victims? Feels good?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Yes, there were so many floors left that all they had to do was just add on to the existing floors to rebuild the Towers. Are you 13 yrs old? Do your parents know you're up right now? Can I talk to them? And, I failed to notice any examples in your post of steel high rises that have collapsed due to fire?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Name ONE steel framed high rise that has totally collapsed from fire?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal --We already know that they did You fuckin loser. Slippin in the "jumbo jet" routine. Nice try puke ROTFL!!!
The WTC design intent included multiple strikes of the four engine 707, a bird VERY close, but ALOT faster than the two-engine 767
Get a life you Talmudic pig
No fire has EVER brought down a structural steel building prior to the appearance of fuckturds like you and your zionist pigface friend Larry Silverstein
Well ASSHOLE?
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal Maybe you should learn how to read you fuckin turd; I already said "old brick and rivets." Youre the piece of SHIT that cant read.
Dime-a-dozen monkey-fucks like your sorry Talmudic ass are finnished, your lies, diversions and games are laughable to anyone paying attention
And nevermind your mindless demented ANALLY-FIXATED BULLSHIT about "fireproof steel." Thats why I brought up Spain, you fuckin coward.
Well scumbag, tell us about Spain, assssssshooooooole!
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
And I suppose the entire nation of Spain is lying about the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire that burned for TWENTY-TWO HOURS.
And never mind your Talmudic piss about "fire plus airliner." The WTC was designed in and for New York . . . ASSHOLE, do you actually believe that an airplane strike/fire was not anticipated in the engineering designs?
Perhaps the B-25 that nailed the Empire State Building, that old brick & rivets relic, also caused collapse
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Does it get anymore obvious? LOL
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
I get off to 911? Really?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
The laughter only comes from disinfo agents, 911 trolls and shills. Intelligent people already know the truth...
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
Who is the pukedrinker blackjerryboymetal? Where do these Talmudic rodents come from?
Perhaps this pathetic pukedrinker can explain how the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire of TWENTY-TWO HOURS makes his diversions about "fire proofing" utterly irrelevant.
If not, we'll help his sorry ass to the local pharmacy where he can get some ObamaCare drugs to calm himself (as he endures his little Talmudic cosmic bubble collapsing into the vile satanic heap that it-is).
Maggot!
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
Who is the pukedrinker blackjerryboymetal? Where do these Talmudic rodents come from?
Perhaps this pathetic pukedrinker can explain how the February 2005 Madrid Windsor Tower fire of TWENTY-TWO HOURS makes his diversions about "fire proofing" utterly irrelevant.
If not, we'll help his sorry ass to the local pharmacy where he can get some ObamaCare drugs to calm himself (as he endures his little Talmudic cosmic bubble collapse into the vile satanic heap that it-is).
Maggot!
EscapeHatchery 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
See my comment about the British and Steel Building Research experiment. The beams were not protected?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
And you seemed to forget about WTC7?
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Please look up the thermal conductivity of steel and use your head..
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
British and Steel Building Research performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel-framed buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were NOT PROTECTED. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 1,500-1,700 F in three of the tests well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 1,100 F, no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments.
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
Structural steel BEGINS to melt at 1130C or 2066F.
Did anyone see the steel fused with concrete?
Molten metal was reported by eyewitnesses.
Satellite photos weeks afterwards showed extremely high temperatures in the rubble.
Rescue workers reported boots melting etc.
The dense smoke indicates a smouldering fire.
There is no way on earth a normal building fire could have produced the extreme heat required.
zenoist2 1 year ago
SexyMelon So let me see if understand your position. The planes were hijacked and flown into the buildings as cover for the planned demolition of the WTC, so it would look like a terrorist attack? Question: Did Mohammad Atta and the other hijackers agree to sacrifice themselves so that the plot of the "real conspirators" wouldn't be uncovered?
54683NS 1 year ago
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Collected reports at 911conspiracy. wordpress. com - "Molten Steel & Extreme Temperatures at WTC" - There was a cover-up.
CTV911 1 year ago
I hate to say it, but we were lied to by our own government. Have they ever really told the truth? I think not! How many of you know that the federal reserve act was passed during a holiday vacation when most electives weren't there to vote on it? Some people just cannot think beyond controlled media, and I find that very pathetic! But don't take my word for it.. just try passing a security screening at the airport and ask yourself if we still have our 4th Amendment.
tubecat72072 1 year ago
I suppose the fact that the planes were hijacked and run into the buildings was just "cover" for the actual demolition. This makes me wonder, though, if pre-positioned explosives did bring down the two towers, why were the two planes even necessary? And since the White House was also an intended target, are there explosives planted in the White House waiting for a plane to hit it? ... One more question: Were the explosives placed by invisible aliens working for the administration?
54683NS 1 year ago
@54683NS The problem with just demolishing buildings is, it would produce no media coverage, which is the whole point of, you know, terrorism.
More importantly, however, it would mean an investigation of the explosive residue, and that could very well lead back to people who set the thing up. Now we have planes, any no such investigation has indeed ever followed.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
I assume the "smoking gun" for the conspiracy theorists is the fact that a guy wearing a suit and tie who was interviewed on MSNBC said: "It's direct evidence for the use of high temperature explosives such as thermite. Thermite produces molten iron as an end product." ... Therefore, since molten iron was found in the ruins of the WTC, thermite or some other explosive must have been used to blow up the buildings.
54683NS 1 year ago
people are so fucking stupid. it was hot.
The61769 1 year ago
watch?v=Bjezhp0rL3M many explosions
watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU molten
watch?v=tAjkq25LAxM Chandler bitchslaps NIST with 6th Grader physics.
watch?v=1eSVsid7eKE 85 floor w/no fire, core blasted out.
watch?v=hmZvUfiVnug New picture proof News Report
watch?v=i6DQjBfbn24 peer reviewed unignited Thermate confirmed
watch?v=qSokEXdFjaQ Expert pilot says no fuckin' way
W's*newser*com/story/24950/wtc-blueprints-found-in-trash*html
911research*wtc7*net/wtc/evidence/blueprints*html
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
Ninja I once spent about a week arguing with a truther about the concrete core. I had to chase up references and links and after a lot of work he conceded. Thats is why I'm a bit impatient about this silly claim. Look at those two links u posted (they are the same text). There is a picture showing that there is no concrete core. Read the attempted explanation. Does that make sense to you?
Re the firefighters, yes they were on one of the floors which didn't have a lot of fire. .... and?
markh1011 1 year ago
911review*org/WTC/concrete-core*html
algoxy*com/conc/core*html "An inner concrete core houses the elevators, and provides additional vertical load support."
W's*worsleyschool*net/science/files/wt/page3*html
"Cool temperatures in the collision zone were also confirmed by an audiotape indicating that firefighters reached the area of the crash damage in the South Tower, and reported survivable temperatures there."
W's*911-strike*com/demolition_explosive*htm
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
"At the heart of the structure was a vertical
steel and concrete core, housing lift shafts and stairwells."
Who would state such crazy talk??
"Still, (Leslie) Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did"
(source: Newsweek 2003)
thewebfairy*com/holmgren/miraculous*html
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
The webfairy?
That article is incorrect.
The WTC did not have a concrete core. Even the truthers overwhelmingly agree on this one.
markh1011 1 year ago
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markh1011 1 year ago
So, Structural Engineering News Record turns out to be some kind of silly periodical COMIC BOOK... Riight!? (rolls eyes)
911research*wtc7*net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/eng-news-record*htm
Now THIS is what I call a fire!
whatreallyhappened*com/WRHARTICLES/spain_fire_2005*html
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
The Windsor tower had a concrete core which kept the building up after the steel had collapsed. The fire caused the steel to soften and fail. It actually supports the official story but truthers don't get that and keep referring to it. Pretty funny.
markh1011 1 year ago
The WTC's had concrete cores as well... and your point is?? Is this your point?
"The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in a given location."
(NIST, 2005; p. 179.)
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
"WTC's had concrete cores as well." ... and there you go again. The WTC DID NOT have a concrete core. Do some reading and you will make a fool of yourself less.
"he initial jet fuel fires themselves" .. You post this like there is a point? Read some of the NIST report (as if that would happen), the jet fuel only ignited the fire.
markh1011 1 year ago
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"Those firemen were on the 78th floor at the time, which did not have much fire on it."
"Edna Cintron was at the coldest part of the building...where it was the most ventilated."
(impact zone floors 78-84)
So if the blazing inferno of intense heat wasn't where the supposed plane crashed nor just below it... if heat doesn't normally rise which would cook Edna & the firemen as if at the top of a stove pipe... hey wait a minute here?
Where was this steel "softening" fire at?
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
"Watch a video..Do 5 minutes research"
~ markh1011
Impact zone, South Tower, was between 78 & 84.
Most of the fuel was seen OUTSIDE in the subsequent fireball.
Office furniture and offices are rated for use & INSPECTED for safety reasons by Fire Marshals to be Code.
How can people be standing in a room that has a supposed gaseous ambient temperature of 1100 degrees??
OR
How would fuel that theoretically "pored down elevator shafts" not also be present in the crash zone??
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
"Most of the fuel was seen OUTSIDE in the subsequent fireball." No just because you see an explosion you are making the leap of faith that most of the fuel must have burnt outside the building. This is wrong. A portion of the fuel would have certainly ignited outside but most of it was taken into the building.
"& INSPECTED." Yes there are plenty of procedures and rules in place but offices require paper and other materials to operate. Can't you understand this?
markh1011 2 years ago
"How can people be standing in a room that has a supposed gaseous ambient temperature of 1100 degrees??" They can't. Several hundred people jumped.
"How would fuel that theoretically "pored down elevator shafts" not also be present in the crash zone?? " It was present. There is testimony from throughout the building of people smelling the jet fuel. I can send u a link if you want.
markh1011 2 years ago
"What you truthers do is the equivalent of putting your hands over your eyes and screaming la la la la." ~ markh1011
"NIST claimed the perimeter columns saw increased loads of between 0 and 25% due to the damage, but it never reconciled this with the original claim that these columns could resist 2000% increases in live load."
~ Kevin Ryan
(formerly of NIST for asking TOO MANY QUESTIONS!)
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
Kevin Ryan is an idiot who was fired for making false claims on subjects he knew little about and embarrassing his company. He did not work for NIST ninja he worked for UL. He made claims about
The columns were not over engineered to withstand 2000% live load. There is no such design requirement.
AND ..once ..again, the damage alone did not cause the collapse.
markh1011 2 years ago
Can't comprehend that these are actual quotes from real people? Any observation that doesn't fit your narrow view of reality is readily dismissed. Why?
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"
~ Kamal S. Obeid
(structural engineer, with a MASTERS DEGREE in Engineering from UC Berkeley)
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
"Can't comprehend that these are actual quotes from real people?" Yes they are actual quotes that describe exploding noises.. of which there were many with very mundane explanations. You don't want to understand this. You are trying to kid yourself that it should have been silent.
"Kamal S. Obeid " - Lame, fallacious appeal to authority.
Posting random quotes from truthers wont help you.
Maybe you are dazzled by his qualifications....
markh1011 2 years ago
So even a highly accredited engineer with a Masters Degree to you is just some loose nut escaped from a mental hospital in your eyes.
You suppose he got his worthless degree out of a gumball machine?
There are over a thousand now. Do you know where it is? I have a quarter 'burning a hole in my pocket' and I wanna become a super duper bad ass with a superiority complex too, just like you!
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
Just quoting an engineer as evidence is an appeal to authority ninja. Look it up if you don't understand the term.
"There are over a thousand now" Wow and still not one of them can get an article in a respected engineering journal. Isn't that odd? Surely they are aware of the process... There have been many article from engineers that support the official story.
The ae911 site is a joke. Many of them have done no research on 9/11 and just added their name based on Gage's lies.
markh1011 1 year ago
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GnosticNinja 1 year ago
You moron you're not getting it. They took all precautions to make sure the structure DID NOT collapse. It was not a test to see if it would collapse. They had a series of tests to run and did not want it collapsing on the first one! Get it?
markh1011 1 year ago
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GnosticNinja 1 year ago
Many posers support the "Globil Warmin's" FRAUD as well... yeah, to keep their cushy job & status...and you just contradicted yourself, again. Is that on purpose or are you just having a bit of fun? "respected journal" Like what, Popular Mechanics? lol! "lame, fallacious appeal to authority; maybe you are dazzled by his qualifications...."
"many have done no research"
So by this you mean NIST? FEMA? U.L.?
Come to think of it THEY DO change their story to fit the 9/11Myth alot don't they?
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
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GnosticNinja 1 year ago
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Many posers support the "Globil Warmin's" FRAUD as well... yeah, to keep their cushy job & status...and you just contradicted yourself, again. Is that on purpose or are you just having a bit of fun? "respected journal" Like what, Popular Mechanics? lol! "lame, fallacious appeal to authority; maybe you are dazzled by his qualifications...." "many have done no research"
So by this you mean NIST? FEMA? U.L.?
Come to think of it THEY DO change their story to fit the 9/11Myth alot don't they?
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
Yeah, I was testing you with a simple factoid. Kudos for knowing the basics. (adjusts foil hat)
Vividly imagining you are correct, anyone that does not parrot NIST, FEMA group think theory, despite credentials, is "a moron" as you put it... ...that would include that Engineering News RECORD is actually a Comic Book in your eyes comprised of total fantasy?? Also, desks & chairs on fire makes tall buildings collapse all the time?? Damn! Am I lucky I don't live in a big city! (elated)
GnosticNinja 2 years ago
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"I was testing you" You seem so poorly informed that I doubt that.
"Also, desks & chairs on fire makes tall buildings collapse all the time??" You see statements like that are why I insult you.
It is common for building fires to reach 1000C. Silly comments like that don't change that.
markh1011 1 year ago
Sorry about your short memory. The posts below are telling. You contraindicate yourself and start off by calling several who commented morons.
You are an insult unto yourself however.
Then ignore the obvious. I suggest you take a good look in the mirror. According to you in your ill informed opinion; credentials are irrelevant anyways.
GnosticNinja 1 year ago
"calling several who commented morons." You were called a moron because you say utterly stupid things. You manage to get myths, mistakes or lies in nearly every post.
Usually truthers who are as poorly informed as you find themselves in an argument and give up, deciding that they need to research a bit more. You however just keep going and making an arse of yourself in with each post.
markh1011 1 year ago
"credentials are irrelevant anyways" Evidence matters...
Just quoting an engineer who is a conspiracy theorist isn't evidence. There are plenty of engineers opposing him. If he is qualified why can't he get some of his research into a respected engineering journal like the engineers who did with their articles that support the official story? Hm?
markh1011 1 year ago
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GnosticNinja 1 year ago
"ignorance on these matters" You have made a fool of yourself with nearly every post.
When non-kook chemists look at the dust they believe it could also be just paint and rust.
The rest of your post is just childish noise.
markh1011 1 year ago
Ok, Flight 11 impacts the North Tower and jet fuel disperses everywhere. Fire engulfs the whole area. 80 minutes after impact, Edna Cintron is seen at the impact hole. Obviously, she walked to the hole from somewhere else, correct? And there is only 20 mins more before collapse. Logical questions:
1. Did Edna walk over, thru, or around these extreme temps beneath her?
2. How could she breathe? Isn't jet fuel toxic?
3. Did the steel start heating up after she was seen?
Let me know..
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
1. "Did Edna walk over, thru, or around these extreme temps beneath her?" Who knows.. Considering the many who preferred to die on the concrete than burn, clearly there were some high temperatures....
2. "Isn't jet fuel toxic?" Maybe she was near a window who kows.. stop trying to pretend everything's a mystery.
3. She was in the coldest area. The other side of the building was the hottest.
Actually some steel may have cooled towards the end pulling the perimeter columns inward.
markh1011 2 years ago
@markh1011 Yea most of the jetfuel on the of the impact zone was obsorbed by the inferno the rest was channeled threw elevator shafts 10,000 gallons that's alot....
300tunes 1 year ago
"Office equipment you moron."
~ markh1011
"On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire, which "burned at temperatures in excess of 700°C (1,292°F) for over three hours and spread over some 65 percent of the 11th floor, including the core, it caused no serious structural damage to the steel structure. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced."
(Source: New York Times, Saturday 15th February 1975)
GnosticNinja 2 years ago