F 35 Distributed Aperture System EO DAS

[3yanlis1bos]

0:42 DAS ist gut.

[Frst151]

F-35 is a turttle in the air.

[PirateMcSandwich]

F22 still seems like a higher quality aircraft for around the same price

[TheKifinas]

yeah this DAS system is so good to be truth ... You Americans think that opposition pilots are stupid ( 3:46 ) ?? And this plane has a lot of problems now so stop thinking about DAS and fix some problems that are more serious like A/C , VTOL and you should consider making an air frame to be durable for at least 20 years (reports say that is unlikely to make it to the required lifespan ).And a SPAAG would defeat you if it would fire to you because you can fight bullets with countermeasures..

[mikel1982]

apparently this thing has serious lag issues, it's not keeping up at the 40 ms promised.

[TheBulitt]

uh... they arent leaking anything... if anything it has been a race to actually build a plane around these electronic technologies that we've had for years

[mwr691]

no matter how much you guys hype up Russia and hate on the USA, you cant ignore the fact that the USA has and always will have a military exponentially superior to any other military in the world AND the fact that Russia is on a slow decline to third-world status (the average male Russian lifespan is 55 years old, there is propaganda ALL OVER THE COUNTRY encouraging women to have children, families with 2+ kids are given extra money). They are losing citizens twice as fast as they are born.

[TheKifinas]

@mwr691 USA is loosing the battle for last 5 years .. Your young people live the country for better life ... you have people in the roads that they don't have a place to live with no food . And you are talking about a foreign country that her economy is getting better and better after the biggest crisis it had in the 90's .

[fludblud]

news just in, the most recent pics of the chengdu J-20 shows infra red sensors dotted around its fuselage, confirming that the chinese have their own distributed aperture system for their 5th gen fighter.

either the chinese have seriously gotten their shit together OR someone at northrop has been leaking a few industrial secrets...

[ElchinMendes]

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[N1cholas240]

@NZHDE009 How do you know carlo koop is sayg the RCS of the prototype you dumb fuck. He never said RCS of the prototype dumb shit.

[unseenxxx]

@NZHDE009 I said electronics. And in 2011 electronics are all that matters. There will never be a dog fight again. It is only who's electronics acquire a target first. Then you press a button.

As far as Lockheed using the YAK-141 concept? They probably learned as much as they could from it. Engineers don't reinvent the wheel. Russia sure isn't using it. The YAK-141 never even entered production.

So your shit still sucks.

[unseenxxx]

Russian / Chinese fighters are likely using soviet era electronics or badly copied american tech. Your shit sucks face it.

[N1cholas240]

@NZHDE009 See the pak fa is not as stealth as the f-35.

[N1cholas240]

@NZHDE009 Dumb fuck Carl koop siad the pak fa RCS is 0.01m2. Other experts say RCS of pak fa ia 0.1m2 to 0.5m2. Fuck you faggot.

[USAAIRPOWER]

The F-22 Raptor is better than F-35 Lightning II. The F-35 is waste of tax money. The F-22 is mostly spending and worth it to spend your tax on it. The F-35 can't even turn, climb, and run. There aren't hardly a video where the F-35 can turn, climb, and run. The Su-30 can escape from AIM-120A/B/C. The F-35 is big waste of money. There is still problem with F-35 due to technical, mechanic, engines, avionics, and performance against Su-30, Su-33, Su-34, Su-35, & Su-50 PAK FA.

[SvenPhantom]

@USAAIRPOWER "There aren't hardly a video where the F-35 can turn, climb, and run." They haven't begun with manuverability, and are slowly progressing with the speed limits, and climb rates. "Su-30 can escape from Aim-120A/B/C" The F-35 will be using the AIm-120D like your F-22. "There is still problem with F-35 due to technical, mechanic, engines, avionics, and performance against Su-30, Su-33, Su-34, Su-35, & Su-50 PAK FA." None of that is proven. No technical problems with F-35s so far.

[N1cholas240]

@SvenPhantom  look this up on youtube.

Debunking: ((((The Truth About Useless F-35 & F-22))))

Watch it.

[SvenPhantom]

@N1cholas240

Saw it already. =P Thanks though.

[venturaprice1]

Dude is an idiot, since when was war designed to be 'fair'?



[anathemaish]

wow this is a bunch of crap there is no honor in war anymore. everything is done for the pilot which makes him pretty much invincible to the enemy which isn't fair they should revert back to WWII technology where it was up to the pilots level of skill alone and not all this fancy schmancy the plane does everything for you crap

[Krezmer2]

@anathemaish Are you kidding me??? War is war, it's constantly evolving. Those unable to keep up with technology are sure to lose. And you act as though technology didn't tower over other armies in WWII. Remember those Germans had V-2 rockets, or when the Germans installed radios into their tanks? Only when the Allies caught up in technology did they begin winning. If you don't accept these facts, then lets hope you don't ever run a country in your life time.

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[DanielDaniel1]

hmm, where are the usual euro's saying that the RAF is better?

[Ken11369]

Dumb Question... but does anyone have information on the 3D software used to create this video, or who made it?

[Conservativepacheat]

lets see if it's as good as it's been billed, it better be, the u.s needs to build 4 1/2 gen fighter to reinforce the 5th gen ,we needs a good low cost dog fighter to replace the f-15-f-16 for all of nato? the f-35 is not the replacement. SELL F-22 TO THE AUSSIE restart the f-22 line inturn lowing build cost then build 100 more f-22 for usaf. JUST ABOUT ALL OTHER NATO COUTRIES COULD NOT BE TRUSTED THEY WOULD SELL THE BLUEPRINTS. also replace f-15 16 radars to AESA radar if possible ?

[SilentEagles]

@Conservativepacheat

Dude F-15 and F-16 already use AESA radar. USAF is upgrading 170 F-15C using APG-63 v 3 and 222 F-15E using new APG-82 v 1. The F-16 is going replace by F-35A.

[Vykuk123]

@SilentEagles Dude u are idiot.

[CesarAugustodePeru]

The Russians can already defeat the DAS systeme with their new SUKHOI-35 AND I AM SORRY NORTHTROP GRUMAN BUT THE SU-35 WILL SHUT DOWN f-35 in no fucking TIME THE F-35 HAS THE MANOUVRABILTY OF THE f16 the SU-35 NO AOA LIMITATION SO SORRY BUT YOUR DAS SYSTEM IS GREAT BUT IT CAN BE STOPPED THE INFO IS AT

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WHEA WHEA TuAFFalcon is TRUE MATE

[N1cholas240]

@CesarAugustodePeru Hey bitch the DAS was made to beat the su-35 you FUCK.

[CesarAugustodePeru]

@N1cholas240 WHEA WHEA wait for the RUSSIAN T-50 STEALTH THE F-35 WILL THE T-50'S BITCH WIL GET HER FROM BEHING ALL THE TIME OUCH!

[N1cholas240]

@CesarAugustodePeru HAHAH the t-50 is a fail. The t-50 stealth is 0.01m2 the f-35 is 0.001m2. The f-35 is stealthier then the pak fa. So the f-35 still gets first look first shot first kill. The t-50 sees the f-35 at 45km by radar and 50km by OLS. and the f-35 sees t-50 at 75km away.

[Greed4Speed]

When Su-30/35's start falling out of the sky due to their analog avionic systems get hacked into, only then will you understand what a 5th gen fighter is all about! 

[gosciu555]

People don't get that the F-35 loadout is only two amraams and two sidewinders. What a joke. You miss and you're dead. Also F-35 is only "stealth" in the X band. In other bands its not optimized. There is no utopian "stealth" out there, only sig reduction.

[TuAFFalcon]

Umm ye that layout is for internal stowage moron. How many missiles can your fuckn Mig-29 carry inside? If it wanted to it can carry external stores on 6 hardpoints. LOL where did you get that X band stealth only information? Russianjunklovers magazine? Ye no worries mate.

[TuAFFalcon]

Man you dont have to be completely stealthy to avoid detection. Where are you getting all this from? NO FIGHTER IN HISTORY and for near future can even match the avonics suite found in the F-35. It leaves the F-22 as far as computing power goes in the dust.

[Krezmer2]

@TuAFFalcon I see your point, but F-22 could still easily pose a threat to the F35 variants. The F35 is more for hitting its ground target and then pulling back unseen. Which is similar to the F117's strategies yet it influences more on all-round ability and larger payload. A F-22 is a pure air-dominance fighter which it's built to attack and destroy MULTIPLE enemy aircraft. Then again we will probably never see the two go head-to-head.

[TuAFFalcon]

@Krezmer2 The F-22 will dominate the F-35 in air to air. I meant avionics wise the F-35 is more advanced. Most of it is for strike purposes anyways.

[Esuavio]

X-Band is the only frequency refined enough for military aircraft detection... L Band is too cluttered. Load out shortcomings are overcome by the concept of having a wing-man... and sometimes... a couple wing-men. Modern Fighter Tactics don't call for mass attacks like in WW2... usually it is at a max five or six fighters to each side. Four missiles each in stealth configuration is plenty.  Don't forget that the F-35 isn't a dedicated air superiority fighter... its is a multirole.

[N1cholas240]

@Esuavio f-35 is going to be able to carry 6 air to air missiles in its internal weapons bays.

[Maloross]

What this video demonstrates is the F-35 is able to fight 30-50 year old weapons systems. "Krug" and "Shilka" Air Defense Systems, development of which began in the 1950's and both entered service about 45 years ago. What this video does not show is they would not be operating individually. Launching flares would do absolutely nothing to a Radar Guided Missile which is guided by radio link with a Battery Fire Control vehicle.

[Maloross]

The "Krug" has mostly been removed from service because of its age. In the video it seems the F-35 approaches within 4-5km of the launcher, the missile has a range of about 40-50km, even if the primary Radar vehicle is damaged or destroyed the Fire Control vehicle can independently locate targets and guide missiles to the target. If the F-35's are detected they would have to destroy the FC Radar before a missile reaches them.

[Maloross]

The "Shilka" also would not be operating by itself. These kind of vehicles support vehicle columns or other Air Defenses(such as the "Krug"). They have a limited ability to defend themselves against missiles, their cannons can't reach aircraft at high altitude, and likely would not reveal themselves if the F-35's were flying beyond range. I am actually wondering what are these weapons the F-35 is using to destroy ground targets at short range, they don't carry Maverick missiles.

[Maloross]

I did not hear the most important detail in this video, approximate range of this DA System. From this video it seems to be around 10km. Altitude of the F-35 more than likely affects the range of this system. There is no reason for a Su-27 to approach so close(where both are visible to each other) to the F-35 to attack it from the rear, an R-27 missile could be launched from 50km away, by the time the F-35 realizes it is under attack the Su-27 would be out of range for AIM-9.

[highonfsx]

that's why we have AM-RAM'S and the F-35 will also have support for the revolutionary 120D long rande missile which is argually the best platform to date.

[Maloross]

There is nothing "revolutionary" about the AIM-120D, it is just an upgrade. It may have finally surpassed the export variants of the radar guided R-27 missiles, but the R-77 has also been upgraded.

A Su-27 can launch Air to Air missiles from more than 30km away using its Infra-Red Search and Track(IRST) system, even when the radar is turned off.

The only reason a Su-27 would approach so close is if all it is armed with are R-60 short range missiles.

[GeminiFyre]

This is basically the USAF saying xfd suck it

[MrRachlin]

These are piece of shits to me! My S-300 can take down all of them and the pilot can't even blink. How much more my S-500!

[Sizzle3003]

@MrRachlin ROFL!!!!!! Nah sorry you lose.

[jamesskull2000]

f-117 was shot down bcos of the moisture on the radar absorbing materials and bcos nato flew the same route. Baghdad was the second most defended airspace after moscow but the f-117 made sadam cry

[Maloross]

1. Stealth Aircraft are not invisible, so please no "moisture" excuses. They simply have a smaller radar cross section(they appear to be tiny objects) that some radars won't identify as an enemy aircraft.

2. NATO fired 100's of HARM(Anti-radar) missiles into Yugoslavia and assumed that they destroyed Yugoslavian Air Defenses, when they did not.

3. Iraq's Air Defenses were only the best in 1960's technology. The US Military was 30 years ahead of Iraq's Military.

[leighsm]

Oh yeah the migs get the drop on the eurofighter, BULL.

[kibblernibbler]

haha shooting behind it around 2:20 or so haha

[MajorDiarriah]

Cool, they caught up to video games.

[James60657]

Well... I think all the fuss is about a new paradigm in fighter combat. It is a new way to fight that allows you to fire your missile in any direction and hit the target. Movies place these unrealistic ideas about out maneuvering an opponent when statistically both get a shot off at the same time. Plus people are worried because of Vietnam when people thought the dog fight is over due to BVR and put our pilots at risk. Overall, it is a good fight that must prove this new paradigm.

[James60657]

I think for quantity it is a great fighter that will dominate the skies. The integration and situational awareness is great. America makes good fighters and takes pride in its military. I don't believe congress or the military would back a lame duck when it comes to air superiority. The people who like the Russian designs would disagree put the Russian emphasize a different fighter combat paradigm than the F-35. The risk, the F-35 must prove itself.

[James60657]

The important question is can the Russians counter this technology and get the F-35 into a turning dogfight. I don't think they have the software capability now but at what point in the future. I think the US has a slight lead in software and aircraft design among the other countries. We might not be as far ahead as we think but we are still in the lead. I am interested in the PAK FA and see how the Russians react to the F-35.

[cr9527]

PAK FA... THink about this. The US built their 1st flying 5th generation fighter in 1990, and Russia has yet to produce One.

So, Slight Lead? Not even close.

[James60657]

Well I am erroring on the side of caution since they did shoot down a 4th generation stealth fighter during a war with Yugoslavia and inspected the debris. It is always better to have developed the technology than trying to reverse engineered it. Still I am cautious.

[cr9527]

" they did shoot down a 4th generation stealth fighter during a war with Yugoslavia and inspected the debris"

Old Stealth technologies, and it was a combination of a damn lucky shot and Very poor NATO planning by flying the same route, same time, everyday. That being said, Only ONE was ever shot down, out of 10,000 sorties.

PAK-FA will most likely be a semi-stealth fighter, like the F-15SE, Eurofighter, or Super Hornet, judging by their Tech Demonstrators of Mig-1.44 and S-37

[Ntsbhdb]

Do you know when was the first time that major power was in war with country with SAM systems produced in 80ties and after? In Georgia-Russia was last year. USAF stealth bombaers have never fought against any real threat - every SAM system was produced in 70ties or 60ties. For example S-125 Něva was produced in 60ties, yet it was able to detect and guide missle onto the target which should be invisible for even modern SAM systems like S-300PMU-2.

[Ntsbhdb]

I´m not even talking about that even 2K12Kub is able to detect F-117 on it´s indicator. And you know what will PAK FA looks like from technical demostrators which main objective was to test it´s engine and aerodamice capacities? Now, now - think about what you said.

[cr9527]

4thly, The US doesn't need a Real Threat to evaluate its capabilities. If they can't track the birds (soon enough), then it is highly doubtful that anyone else can.

[Ntsbhdb]

4th - how do you know that enemy can´t. USAF was always testing their stealth technology against their own SAM systems, but like it or not Russians are not number one in avionatic but right now there is none who can compete with them in SAM systems. For example most moder american SAM system is version PAC-3 of MIM-104 PAtriot is on level of S-300PMU-1 from 92. We won´t know the bird stealth capacities untill it´s tested in real battle - as F-117 was.

[cr9527]

Lastly, We won't know for sure what the stealth capabilities are, but we can estimate. Both F-35, and F-22 have smaller RCS than the F-117, and complete with Radar Jamming capabilities built in.

Judging by the fact that several rich countries believe that the F-35 is suitable in 1st strike missions, we can assume it is a capable plane.

[cas343]

The S-400 is very good. Aegis is very close to its capability, although its sea based. You would need some way to defeat the radar or any aircraft will get destroyed.

[Ntsbhdb]

F-22 production started in 2005, PAK FA production will start in 2010. Not much of a difference now, is it?

[cr9527]

1stly, how do you know PAK-FA isn't a prototype? Like the X-35, YF-22?

2ndly, how do you know PAK-FA will be on the same technology level as F-22?

3rdly, ALL Radars can detect the F-117, but being able to track onto it, is the hard part. The Kosovo Incident was not so much of failure in stealth, but failure in Nato Command. They flew the same route twice before the F-117 was shot down. Just blindly shooting at the sky will give you as much chance of shooting it down.

[Ntsbhdb]

1th - as always first plane will be prototype but due to KNAAPO production will start in 2010 with first three planes deliveret to VVS till the end of 2010.

2th - never said I know

3th - Please, not that again. If you don´t know how SAM systems works don´t repeat that USAF b/s about blindly shelling the sky. That is impossible - Zoltan Dani and his crew detected F-117 and guided missle onto it - end of a story. And the main advantage of so called stealth technology is to lower planes RCS

[Ntsbhdb]

to the levels in which same generation radar´s can detect the plane until it´s too close (in same genration radars were talking about 1/10 of the normal radar line of a sight). However S-125 was 2 generation below that F-117. Technicly he shouldn´t have a chance in detecting the plane in the first place (due to USAF and thir statements) - however they did detected it and once you detected the radar on indicator crew just needed to guide rocket onto the target.

[cr9527]

ANY radar can detect the F-117, but is filtered out as noise. Detection isn't hard. ID, and TRACK is the important stage.

And no, When you detect an aircraft, it is not enough to guide a missile towards it. You need tracking.

4th, F-117 has proven its self in combat, if it wasn't for the high maintanance costs, and low payload, it could still be in service. American Radar systems are superior than Russian counterparts, but US doesn't focus on ground based SAM systems.

[cr9527]

1st, Prototype and production models are completely different. It has been 15 years since YF-22 flown, and F-22 produced.

3rd, I know stealth technologies is to lower the RCS, but judging by the fact that only one F-117 was downed, after some 10,000 sorties in Kosovo, the stats just aren't that convincing for the SAM. The thing about radar is that if you want to see the Stealth Bomber, you'll have to be cluttered with Huge amounts of noise, making your SAM useless.

[Slayix312]

Whoops let me correct myself.

"Considering the AIRPLANE was invented in the U.S., that is the correct form of spelling."

I meant the first airplane capable of sustained flight.

[GreatGodSajuuk]

Actualy the first plane is not an invention of the USA. Google abit more, a brazillian made a better plane before americans. GG.

[th3flyboy]

The F-35 is a strike/attack aircraft, that's why it doesn't stand a chance against fighters.

[ohainoob]

It does stand a chance against other fighters. In fact, with DAS it has an advantage against other fighters. It gets the first ability to fire a WVR missile, and NOTHING (not even a Sukhoi) can out-maneuver an AIM-9X pulling 50g's+.

[Slayix312]

Like I already said they have had it far longer then the Russian's and they had it during the 80's to on the Tomcat.

P.S. "is not a good fighter and isnt designed to be." It is actually designed to be second only to the F-22. Wether it live's up to that or not is a different story but just correcting you.

[Neonwolf33]

Correcting me with garbage form the F-35 brouchoure. I know what they say but guess what people lie to sell there stuff. Brtian and Austraila have both done studies on the capabilities of the F-35 and it sucks hard losing to almost every modern jet. How do they know this? Its beacuse Bae a British company is actually building and designing the thing. It was designed to be cheap.

[Slayix312]

"Correcting me with garbage form the F-35 brouchoure." Actually no im correcting you with info from every source on the F-35. Britain has done no significant studies on the JSF and that is why it ordered 10 test JSF plane's recently. Also the Australian's had mock COMPUTER SIMULATION dogfight's. lol the Australian's have been begging for the F-22. That shit was just a lobby effort to try to get the F-22. Also it was designed to be CHEAPER then the F-22. Your stupid if you think it is cheap.

[ohainoob]

"Brtian and Austraila have both done studies on the capabilities of the F-35"

Kopp and Jensen do not represent Australia as a whole. They have been repeatedly proven wrong by the RAAF JSF team in the Australian Congress.

[pawtucket999]

Neonwolf33....were you even watching the video??? F35 missiles can be fired at multiple angles or at a high rate of deflection (can even "U" turn certain missiles).

Angle of attack and merges are less important. Stealth and 360 detection become more prominent. If the MIG doesn't see you coming, it's toast.

[Neonwolf33]

Both The SU and the Eurofighter have this tech. It isnt new the russians have been using it since the 80's.

[Slayix312]

"Both The SU and the Eurofighter have this tech. It isnt new the russians have been using it since the 80's."

Yes and the U.S. had IRST tech before even then in a very primitative form on the F-102 and F-101. Difference is that considering this will be using 4 sensor's it will most likely be quite a bit more advanced then even the new Russian OLS. Not to mention American avionics are almost always better. Call it bias if you want but I can name you a list of thing's = - ).

[Neonwolf33]

Russians were well ahead of the US in this area america is only just catching up. Now if the best reason you can come up with that the F-35 is better than a EUrofighter or Su is "American avionics are almost always better" means you claerly dont know much about jets. The fact is the F-35 is not a good fighter and isnt designed to be.

[WooDpenis]

wow... how good is the euro fighter or SU stealth? they dont have any.. when was the last air to air conflict with any USA aircraft.. theres no more dog fighting these days everything is done BVR so avionics have everything to do with it now.. LM hasn't even released to the public what the F-35 capability's are. hell people still dont know what the F-22 can do.. no other country has shit on the US when it comes to air power..

[Slayix312]

"if the best reason you can come up with that the F-35 is better than a EUrofighter or Su is "American avionics are almost always better" means you claerly dont know much about jets."

rofl pls. I definetly far more then you on any airplane topic. But im not going to make this into a dick measuring contest.

I never claimed American avionics where better then the avionics on the Eurofighter but definetly better then any on a Su show queen. Oh and how the hell is the U.S. just catching up?

[Neonwolf33]

do you mean aeroplane? Someone who cant spell it is unlikly to be an expert on it.

[Slayix312]

"do you mean aeroplane? Someone who cant spell it is unlikly to be an expert on it."

No I mean AIRPLANE. Considering the AIRPLANE was invented in the U.S., that is the correct form of spelling. Not the bastardization form the Brit's pulled out of their ass "aeroplane".

"Someone who cant spell it is unlikly to be an expert on it."

It's even funnier because you can't even spell unlikely. = - ).

[Neonwolf33]

How in holy hell would the Eurofight get destroyed and the 35 not. the F35 is a piece of crap next to the Eurofighter or the Su in dogfights. The Eurofighter would rape the Su and F35's put together without breaking a sweat. mabey if this was abot the 22 they would have a point.

[WooDpenis]

wow.. where u getting this info that the f-35 is a POS? pretty sure the US and several other countries would fund a POS..

[Neonwolf33]

They are buying it beacuse its dirt cheap. you can get something like 5 F-35's to 1 F-22. The F-22 or Eurofiter can take 3 of these at a time howver they would struggle with 5. Aslo this isnt designed to be a fighter its a water down multirole jet, aginst dedicated figters it dosent stand a chance.

[Slayix312]

Although the F-22 is MUCH better imo as well. Most of your info in this comment is wrong.

[Neonwolf33]

Feel free to correct anything in my post. The Eurofighter and F22 are in total diffrent leagues.

[toesf15]

There's an updated version of this video on YouTube where the Eurofighter and Su trade shots and get a mutual kill - the most likely outcome in a close-in dogfight with high-offboresight missiles and helmet mounted sights.

I think the point is not who gets shot in the dogfight, just that hanging out to see what happens in a dogfight is a fatal decision anymore.

[dmAcademy]

all this and we still bomb the wrong people - "everywhere, all the time."

[strandwolf]

Yeah. Is that the US down below or somewhere in the Middle East? Perhaps if we minded our own business....

[dmAcademy]

Perhaps now, maybe... things will be different. Maybe.

[shudra14]

OLS ,SOLO .SOAR on mig35 also provide 360 detection which has missiile apparoch and laser warning ,MANPAD detection,to ground attack or navigation,FLIR can be connected to zhuk ae as well and this system similar to DAS system,

[rrrai78]

Did I see Su30MKI in that video getting blown up.

[ddawguga]

Yes i Think you did.

[rrrai78]

One more proof of how far ahead US is over the others. Any conventional war and they can kick your ass.

[biochemist8]

yea if only they had like a terrorist IR sensor lol osama headshot

[dvskore]

Seeing that MIG getting it's ass kicked made me chuckle. But, as we all know it isn't the plane it's all about the pilot. F35/MIG if you have shitty pilots your going to have a shitty plane.

[rrrai78]

Only in case of close combat dog fights. But anything in BVR or even WVR missile range and you are toast.

[Mangaliga]

There wasn't a single MIG in the video.

[rrrai78]

Yes it was the Su30 MKI or it's variants

[strandwolf]

We spend more than all other countries in the world (120+) on "defense" and still have to BRIBE the Sunnis with huge amounts of cash not to hurt our porr widdle soldier boys.