@big7bro7, That's the lesson for Christians- what is the intense pain of living, the fear of dying, in the face of eternity? It is a parallel to the struggle of every living Christian to live a life that is difficult sometimes, in service to God, because this life is not forever. Jesus was the example.
After reading the comments on this thread I find it pathetic that not a person realizes that Alan Watts a British philosophers wrote one of the best articles ever published in Playboy magazine. His “Worlds Most Dangereous Book” was published in the December 1973 issue. It is available on the internet, Google it! This was required reading in my Philosophy of Religion class in a school in Utah in 1974.
These comments are kind of a microcosmic display of one of Alan Watt's perennial subjects of inquiry: the dogged infighting and exclusion that dogmatic thinking breeds. Thanks so much for the required reading material (I might not know much about Utah, but I'd guess such a class would have been a rare and revolutionary one!). I always read Playboy just for the articles anyways.
@at7000 but christians dont use statistics, well at least the ones I know. Everyone is there own person and should not be judged by a statistic. Statistics=Prejudism,Racism, and Stereotypes. No, one is the same as the other in anyway. Dont bring numbers to a poetry slam.
islam is the truth, read the Quran never changed, Jesus was Prophet, Bible has been altered and corrupted and changed to paganism, God is ONE and he alone is to be worshipped and submitted to and every Prophet came with the same message, read the Quran!
if you really believe that then stop using a computer or any scientifically created tool made the last thousand years, because they were made completely without the Quran, so everything you comfortably depend on is NOT due to any holy scripture. I don't care what your argument or angle is, that's just how it is & if the words of your holy book contradicts the mentality needed to pursue these advancements for to truly better the world, then it holds no point to believe in it
actually Islam encourages Scientific advancements, Muslims rules spain and are the ones who brought the world out ouf darkness, but we as Muslims know that Allah is the creator of all things and all theses advancements allow us to understand the world we live in more clearly, and the blessing that surround us, and the more scientifical breakthroughs we make only prove the Quran is revelation.....see for yourself
Actually it doesn't prove the Quran at all, because the scientific breakthroughs were still made possible without the Quran. The Quran itself hasn't brought anything to the table & imagine this: instead of spending money on building churches or Mosks, or on different religious agendas the same money could be used for science that actually helps mankind & helps create a society that backs up science rather than religion. The feelings may be real, but it doesn't make the religion so
no my point was not that the Quran provides scientifical breakthroughss but that whenever their is a huge breakthrough we find that the knowledge of it was already recorded in a book 1400 years ago, and that alone proves it is from Allah,
Give me one line from the Quran that clearly mentions a scientific breakthrough made after it's creation.
Like I said, most religions throughout history have been known to oppose advancement that we are all now dependent on & not made because of religion. Religions have even gone so far as to create conflicts that delay what could have been human progress instead of destruction. I'm not saying that's all there is to religion, but for the most part, that's what it has accomplished
& What does the Quran say about the 400+ billions of years of history of this planet? & The gap between the reign of dinosaurs & the beginning of man? Certainly there must be something brief & clearly worded part about that right? What about the infinity of space? Or how about the evils in the world, that religions indeed fail to obliterate using their method of force, contradicting the peaceful notion of any religion & proves them to be just another ideologic war machine right?
Also, if the Qurans mentioning of past scientific breakthroughs was somehow true, then the Qurans mention & justification of heinous crimes, inequality & obscured morality that has been proven the wrongful path since it's creation when it comes to creating a peaceful world & has just served to justify hate would also be proof that it is indeed the simple work of men & not the words of a god who truly would have, as mentioned, probably grasped the consequences of these words.
I think the Old testament is based on the Sumerian stories of humans being created by aliens who wanted humans to think of them as gods. The teachings of Jesus are about real spirituality. Apart from Jesus being born into that religion, I think he was more similar to enlightened people from the East so the books shouldn't have been classed as the same religion.
@SuzLa1 supposedly Jesus was outcast for people claiming he was the son of god and making such a big deal about it... he traveled for many years in the East, which is where he became truly enlightened, and his teachings are a derivation of Hinduism/Buddhism. I don't remember where I read that... but I read that somewhere.
@xArchAngeL01x Technically, the Catholic church says they've been around since the apostles and Peter is the first Pope. If that claim is true then the claim that the Catholic church wrote the New Testament isn't a stretch.
@initforthevideos The Catholic church was established by the emperor Constantinople. The bible was an assembly of manuscripts deemed appropriate by a committee, set up by the emperor, and was only made because up until that time the practice of Christianity was banned; they had no holy book because you couldn't own anything connecting you to the new "fad". All beliefs were subjective to the person hearing/passing them on. Call it the grapevine effect. He merely established solidarity.
Religions are so silly. From Christianity to Atheist, their all so intense. Just have love in your heart, and find someone that makes you happy. That's all you need.
@bpmcgough Then your 4 year old must be a very strng hearted child because every thing I say comes from my heart and my soul and with Jesus in my heart it only makes me stronger!!! So thank you for your compliment!!!
@MuayThai4Llfe Sorry To hear that your in my prayers!!! Jesus Is the Truth, the Way , and the Life!!! That is a fact , and the truth!!! just ask Jesus in your heart and watch your life change miraculousley!!! Mine has!!!
@MuayThai4Llfe Have you ever really readthe Bible I mean actualey read it? I have seen and experianced things in my life that science could not explain. Things wich only God could have done. Small mirracles that have changed my life as well as others. I hope that some day you too may know the Lord and have , Faith, hope, happiness and love as I do!!! Go form a hopless life to a life of hope!!! Peace friend my God touch your heart and soul!!!
@bizzleblue38 Nope.. because it's just your brain that is tricking you.. Im studying nature science and I know life and all physics law.. The bible has a lot of contradictions and it was written by a human being. Please I cant see a smart human that is religious. Maybe you couldn't explain it but, some other could.
There's a man offering 1 Million dollar to that guy that shows him a paranormal activity/magic what ever and no1 have ever done it.
@MuayThai4Llfe Paranormal activity and my bleiefs are two differant things. Besides some say paranormal activity/ghost/magic can even be explained by science. Im not talking about those kind of things in the least, The fact that you say you cant see a religious person as smart is both sterio typing someone and is actualey dumb in it self. Your saying that all religious people are stupid just because we believe in something you cant understand!!!!! Do you hear you self when you say this? PLease!!
@bizzleblue38 Sorry but im just telling the truth.. Without scientists, this world wouldn't evolve.
I haven't been atheist all my life until I understood that that was just stupid.. Im sorry if im offending you but face the truth. By believing in God you just feel good somehow. But there is no spiritual boundings with God himself.
People don't have a spirit, when you die nothing happens,there's no spirits involved
I have the faith to sh*ttalk God without being punished... Sorry if offending you
@dressup154 Because it holds many of lifes answers. such as where we came from. why theres differant languages, countries and cultures. And soo many other important answers. And I'm not an idiot because I have Hope, and Faith in Jesus and even others in my life. seems like your the idiot!!!
@bizzleblue38 Strange how all the steadfast believers are the ones who can't even spell at a 6th grade level. There's a reason there's a correlation between LOW IQ and ADHERING TO RELIGION. I don't expect you to understand just how dumb you are.
You know what else holds all the answers to where we came from, why there's different languages, countries and cultures? SCIENCE, HISTORY AND ANTHROPOLOGY. Get a fucking education you waste of skin.
@dressup154 It is so sad to me how you insult me when all I want for you is to have hope and love in your life!!! Clearley you have none of this!!! Still I pray for you regardless of what you say or think of me. I hope that someday you realise that your unhappiness and anger stems from the fact that you are lost!!! It is not too late to change that. Peace friend God be with you!!!
@bizzleblue38 First, I'd like to say that I have an incredibly happy and stress-free life. Second, please don't pray for me, because clearly your God doesn't exist anyhow, so it won't do any good.
Third, it's pretty obvious to me by now that you're a troll - No one with a brain would say the things you do - So I'm going to stop responding to your poorly worded and terribly spelled pseudo-paragraphs now.
@dressup154 So let me ask you this seriousley, What are you living for? If you don;t believe in God then you have nothing to hope for. Do you even have a pourpose in your life? Seems so sad so lost and hopeless. And yes I will pray for you weather you deny Him or not and yes it will do some good, And i've noticed that alot of atheist like you are always constaney angry , angry at everything, Names like troll and insulting my intelligence. All so typical for an atheist, full of anger and hate!!
@dressup154 Makes sence though, you believe in nothing, have hope in nothing and no poupose in life. That would make anyone filled with anger and even hate!!! Obviousley you hate your self so how could you love or like anyone else. Have you ever been trueley happy in your life at all? Or have you been an angry hateful, bitter ogre your whole life. What a sad, depressing, awful life to hate everything including your self!!! it's called a typo you idiot what your perfect now? Hardlley!!!
The very concept of God has existed for as long as men have been capable of dreams/embellishment, or misinterpreting natural phenomena to be "of God's wrath". The Bible was an idea, using the ancient knowledge derived from Tribal/ Babylonian/Egyptian archetypes to adapt various important laws. However, it was "edited" much later, during the various Vatican Councils (Rome, Trent, etc.) to serve certain enclaves by giving perceived freedoms in exchange for total obedience and fear. It's control.
@stuartgibb The Bible is not an idea its Gods word and its fact!!! Rediscover the truth man!!! Stop with this scientific atheistic crap and realise the truth. Jesus is Lord!!!
@GahdeMalprigi1488x do you believe every thing you read? eaxspecialey on the net? Of course theres gonna be a site that claims to "expose Christianity" Atheist and others will try everything to prove us wrong but they never will. Thats kinda sad n scary that you believe about anything you read. Open your eyes man dont believe everything you see on the net. I bet you were Christian or still are so if you were know know the real truth. Jesus is Lord !!! Period!!!
@bizzleblue38 You literally just made fun of someone for believing everything they read.
HEY FUCKING IDIOT, YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ TOO. YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, WHICH IS A CROCK OF SHIT.
You're too stupid to argue against :( You're just like the rest of Christians. You're all arrogant, stupid people and I hope we rid the world of religion so people can finally be happy instead of living by the made up rules of a being that never existed.
Jesus: The Kingdom of Heaven is Within. Christians: Blindly follow Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, the Republican Party and give your paycheck to them.
Jesus: Whatever you have done to the least of mine, you have done to me. Christians: Let's screw those poor lazy bastardds amongst us, every possible way we can.
@Amishboy2014 Yes, or course, not all of them, way too many of them. It is interesting you post under the handle of "Amish Boy." Since the Amish are actually one of the rare Christian groups, who actually DO put Jesus' teachings into practice- Living simply/humbly, and non-Violence and such. So please don't take my comments as a slam on all Christians.
@Amishboy2014 Well, the "Amish Boy" thing is more like an inside joke thing, because both my parents were raised Amish, but then they left the amish church. But i do agree with you to a certain extent, there are lots of "christians" that go to church, but don't really live by jesus's teachings. There is so much more to being a christian than just going to church.
@at7000 Christians are just as human as everyone else man. We make mistakes we sin we stumble and fall. I'm a Christian and I'm not perfect but why you think were anything like this is beyond me. Hence the reason why Jesus died for us, for forgivness of all sins. We fall, we sin, we stray. But with prayer and strenghth and Jesus we are forgiven and we can learn, Amen!!!
@at7000 What you say about Jesus is correct. Nothing that you say of Christians is not entirely false, but in steadfast honesty I will say that it is not entirely true either. It is horrible how many times your statements have been correct and continue to come abut in many terrible forms, as a Catholic I will not deny the transgressions which my Church and members of my Church have committed throughout the millenniums. But I will also recognize that there are Christians that
@doctrwilson follow the holy book for what it really is and what it was truly meant for. The teachings of Jesus have been discarded, manipulated, and propagandized many, many times. Fortunately on the other hand they are still followed by some, even many and even if there are less virtuous Christians, the climax of the Bible is the resurrection which proved that ultimate love (his sacrifice and forgiveness) is more powerful than ultimate evil (torturing and killing an innocent man, the son ofGod
@doctrwilson but is it really a sacrifice if he knew he was gonna be resurrected beforehand? I'm sure it hurt super bad, but what's some intense pain under the scope of eternity?
I respect Christ's teachings- Help the poor, non-violence, live a humble life, etc... However, 99.2% of people calling themselves "Christian" do not follow any of those teachings.
@at7000 again we are Christian but we are human and we sin!!! Are you not tempted? Do you not sin or make mistakes? why do you keep chastising Christians as if were sposed to be perfect? If you believe in Jesus Christ the one true Savior and you are saved then your guarenteed Heaven. But sin willalways be there trying to drag us downa nd sadley sometimes it's sucseeful. Thats christian/human life. Get it now?
wow, fantastic understanding of it. I really like how you see a discontinuity to "revelation" (or "enlightenment", if you will) in the broadest sense of the word. once placed on a larger continuum, it fails. nice!
@vegasvegetarian < C/Church is a machine running out of fuel that comes from the sweat and blood of its followers which are on the decline. It'll die its own death. So the karmic truth : "what men sow they reap" going to be realized just as Romans' and Greeks' golden period ended.
@5104560711 ok let me back up a bit. You used "going to church" to set yourself up as someone who follows God [or is a Christian] (this part is an assumption). I simply point out that going to church does not mean that someone actually follows God, nor does it show others that you are a Christian.
Are you saying people who read the koran (like for fun or research) or are you saying people who follow the koran?
@StopTheViolenceOf666 You said "Alan Watt is very inteligent" ... it's Watts* and intelligent.* How is he intellgent in one of your thoughts and then a "dope" in the next. I really trust your educated opinion now. ;)
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If life is meaningless, there is no right or wrong. If God doesn't exist, then there is no law. If there is no law, then there are no consequences for breaking a law and no judgment after death. If you believe this, then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die. But know that God will not be mocked, whatever a man sows that he also reaps. And if you sow unto sin, then you reap death. All thinking men who are NOT fools WILL come to this conclusion. The wisest man in the world did...
"then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die". I kind like that thought (although also fully admitting that it's not as if we're only mouths to feed). Besides, even if you take your moral instruction from the outside as you do- from external religious authority- you still have to "eat and be merry for tomorrow you die"; the world can very well be a joy to live in (unless you're a Christian whose moral puritanism, asceticism, and life-denial sees the planet as a "vale of tears" to escape).
Do you mean a religious, moral, divine law? Like "thou shalt not kill"? Well, you don't need any God or gods to establish that as a tenet of society: it's perfectly understandable that to kill is bad, you don't have to worship God to figure out that one. Laws are made by men, not gods.
@24base you're joking right? Have you read the Old Testament laws (which Jesus upheld to be true)? It condones killing gays, killing disobedient children, cutting the hand of a woman off if she touches genitals in a fight, cutting off hands for thievery, it allows marriage of brother in sister (Abraham & Sarah), Incest between father and daughters (Lot), genocide, infanticide, wrath killing, human sacrifice... Our laws were based on Greek philosophy. Quit your Bible school and go to college. ;)
@Llavez lol I actually do go to college i study biomedical science and in my study of biomedical science it has only strengthened my belief in GOD because when you see how our bodies work you come to understand that there is no way this could have happened by pure luck.
I always find it so funny that aetheist believe that there is no god because there is no proof well theres also no proof he isn't there. And why are you so defensive are you scared that what you believe isn't true
@24base I know many like you. You study science and think that it confirms your preconceived notions of reality. Since you say you understand the human body, maybe you would like to explain the "great design" behind the lymph system or the laryngeal nerve in all mammals. If you're unfamiliar, please study it and come back with a better explanation than evolution. I'm here for your amusement. lol The only fear I have is that stupidity out-breeds reason one day. ;)
@24base I also hear this argument you propose so often. If you believe something exists, it is your responsibility to provide the evidence. It is physically impossible to prove something doesn't exist because there is no means to measure it's existence. I could propose to you the same thing: There's no proof that Zeus, Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Krishna, or Allah exist. The only proof that I need is the lack of proof on your behalf. I make no claims, only discredit yours from lack of evidence. ;)
@Llavez We could sit here arguing forever but when it comes down to it life is a ball of choices if you believe that there is no god then so be it to you there is no god.
Lets say some guy knew god was real what would his understanding of that fact lead him to? He would live a life were everything he did would be governed not by is options but by the options of god. The whole point of believing in god is that you believe in him because you want to not because you are forced too.
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one. OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one. OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
@mikezephyr And one more thing the reasoning of a Atheist is that since there is no proof of god there is no god but if you do not know whether there is a god or not how do you know he isn't there.
@24base You are using displacement to put the burden of proof on us. If I believe unicorns made the universe, I don't say,"Prove they didn't." Quite simply, you can't prove something exists or does not exist when it doesn't have a means to be measured. Creationist theory requires one to believe that a thinking, living brain created the universe by exact mathematical thinking, in the absence of even light. Provide proof if you want to claim it, or else there's no evidence for us to refute.
@mikezephyr "It's perfectly understandable that to kill is bad"
You haven't attended University have you? I took several ethics classes and even a intelligent Atheist would disagree with this statement. . first, nothing in this world is "perfect". Secound, Ethics is not "understandable" to most people, if it was I would not meet so many people looking for Ethcis and pointing in the wrong direction. I have "Ethics: Discovering Right and Wrong" if you want to borrow it. : )
@mikezephyr Divine Command Theory conforms to "the good" while Naturalist Absolutist like myself beleive that what is naturally occuring without human influence is "the good". These Naturalist views fit well with Divine Comamnd Theory. I would challenge anyone who wants to be a better person, wants to live for love, and not hate to study Ethic's. Our most highly esteemed Philosophers might help you to find your own personnal ethical beleifs. Be preparred to be wrong though. : )
You're correct, man can make laws all he wants, and determine, by cultural and social means, what is to be considered right and wrong in a given society. I think what my friend there is trying to say is this: if there is no God, if a higher conscience does not exist, than those laws are only as powerful as that particular society. As C.S. Lewis put it (in more words than I can quote here) if a man appeals to a sense of true right and wrong, he is appealing to a higher divine ethic.
@mikezephyr he might have meant without god if the world were lawless is wouldnt matter, kill some 1 and get away with it, die, and still got away with it with no consequences, but maybe get caught while alive on earth :o.. xD
@StopTheViolenceOf666 what about the thousands of people murdered during the crusades? christians murdered people who didnt believe in the same religion as them, they murdered "for god" but what fate did those men (murderers) see after death? peace and everlasting life? cause your a FOOL if you think so...
@ICG94XP Well don't make that assumption, and neither one of us will look stupid. But those crackers back then did a work for the dark agenda. I suggest you listen to Alan Watt. He talks about the plan nwo has had throughout the ages. I add that agenda was contrived by the devil, satan.
@StopTheViolenceOf666 you worships sun cycles... im not saying God doesnt exist, but whos to say anyone has it right? nd last i checked, every religion on earth takes human casualties, and how are you christian, catholics or w/e you are so high and mighty to talk down on people? your not God, and as far as "judgement" after death, look into DMT...
@StopTheViolenceOf666 "If there is no God... there is no consequence [for doing immoral acts]" First of all, only people who believe in an afterlife care about what happens after death. For the rest of us, we understand that this is the only round at life, it is best to treat others well so we can live longer ourselves. Causing pain only inspires others to hurt. I don't need a book from sheepherders to know that. As an atheist, I choose to be good for social cohesion's sake. I use logic.
I don't need god to tell me that kindness is good and hear and hate is wrong. I don't have a problem with the idea of God, God cannot be defined so how ycan one say he does or doesn't exist. But it's so blatantly obvious that the bible is written by man, to be used to control other men, and is complete and utter bs. Anyone with an education that amounts to anything has to recognize this.
@smaxterthegood Well one thing everyone needs to understand is the word "hope". People take it out of context and missuse the word hope. It doesn't mean like I hope it doesn't rain. The propper word there would be pray or wish. Hope means asurence. You have hope if you go to work you get a check, or there is still hope until you find out some one is dead. Hope is promise, and those of the true faith find that in God's word.
@StopTheViolenceOf666 There is a big difference between finding "hope" as you define it in God's Word and stating the the Bible is definitely the word of god, as it is written and thereby everything in it is as good as law and that anyone who disagrees or doesn't believe it deserves to go to hell. What kind of God would allow for a hell, I can tell you what kind of god... the kind created by men in power to maintain control through fear over other men. I'd like to tell you about my faith...
@StopTheViolenceOf666 My faith is in a God who created me not with the intellect, or the compassion, or even the goodness to always know right from wrong, but a soul, a mind, a SOMETHING inside of me that allows me to LOVE and as long as I can love on some level, I can connect to God on some level. And that he isnt going to waste his fucking time worrying about what Name I call him or what book I seek him out in. I think he wants me to seek him via loving others.
I hope you can find THAT god, Because I have seen your God and he is the god of petty greedy men who call themselves christians, My god's chosen people is all men.
I don't need god to tell me that kindness is good and hear and hate is wrong. I don't have a problem with the idea of God, God cannot be defined so how one can say he does or doesn't exist. But it's so blatantly obvious that the bible is written by man, to be used to control other men, and is complete and utter bs. Anyone with an education that amounts to anything has to recognize this.
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Sounds like a bunch of rubbish to me. That was a myopic, narrow minded rant. Ican't believe Chuck Norris came to that conclusion. He is better than that.
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Ultimately there is no right or wrong. Just actions. Any concepts of right or wrong have evolved along with civilization, and have certainly nt come from a 'good book' especially the bible, a book that contains such laws as those concerning the proper purchase and punishment of slaves, or that children should be put to death for not honouring parents, deservedly or otherwise. That consenting people of the same sex will be put to death for an act that they perform in private
Lets look at the other side of that coin. If you sin you can be forgiven...so whats the point of being good if no matter what you do you can be forgiven? Truly, it is in this sense that there are no laws because there is nothing you cant be forgiven for. Might as well do as Martin Luther said and...."Sin Boldly!"
Furthermore, what kind of morality is there in the bible? Slavery is accepted...genocide is encouraged. How is it moral if it doesnt stand the test of time
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Actually, even the Bible especially clear in Galatians, does not hold this to be true. You should start with the end, go to Galatians, and work your' way back. "Whatever a man sows he also reaps", i.e. karma. The whole reason Jesus came, did what he did, and died was to put an end to that line of thinking. Grace is getting what we don't deserve and mercy is not getting what we do deserve. Zen simply goes about freeing people up for that end more directly. Jesus is love.
@p6a9u1l42 Well, since I don't have a religion, and I agree religion is a fake, I'm not sure why you assumed that... I don't know which books you mean are fake, or whether you mean the Bible. It could mean the message you've heard conveyed by churches you don't like (I don't usually agree with churches). I also don't know what it means to say Jesus is a fake, because it is really a fact that he lived. We divide our calendars in the west based on him, BC vs. AD, or even BCE vs CE.
@UniversalQi its a fact he lived... really show me. ya maybe a guy named jesus lived now prove it was the one from the bible and prove he did anything do not use the bible for proof. so what if the west changed their calanders, how does that mean its right. also why did you private message me the same exact thing. get a life and grow up and stop believing in mystical creatures....you do understadn that most dates for jesus such as december 25th (his birth) is stolen from pagens.....
@StopTheViolenceOf666 It is foolishness to claim to KNOW at all...unless you fully know EVERYTHING...you can not claim that everyone will come to that conclusion because you did...how foolish to actually come to a conclusion...it must be nice to know it all.
.....and the people worship created things rather than the Creator.....
I will not deny that Alan Watts is a brilliant thinker but he has still gone the way of the fool by denying the existence of God. Ridicule the authority of the Catholic church, yes, and even the traditions of men that have brought about the horrors wrought from so-called "religion" but deny that an intelligent Designer exists and your ideas are as dangerous as any murderer or ruthless dictator.
@Desertbiker125 you are reverberating something you heard. Everything we see is made of atoms, and now we know atoms are empty. God could destroy your head, doesn't mean he was in it. We have control of the descisions we make, God sets up opertunities in life, doesn't mean we did what we wanted.
@StopTheViolenceOf666 I love the way you liken Alan watts to a murder cos he may not believe the bible as fact. Scientists and people like Alan watts always get labelled as ignorant by religious groups yet these groups have no room for lateral thought and see everything in black n white terms. Scientists and theologists are always questioning things and contry to your ignorance they never believe that they can now explain everything and have all the answers
Catholic's didn't actually write the bible, but they did add sections of it strictly for the Catholic Church. There are other Bibles that aren't connected to the Catholics.
BTW no one human is infallible. It's just a mistake in thinking.
@sgt00X Regardless of who wrote the books of the bible, they were still men, fallible, and imperfect men. It amazes me that people are too terrified of negative social consequences to step outside tradition and question the validity of what they have been taught, to seek answers based on there own experience. To accept that the bible offers the one and only 'truth' is to forfeit the single most significant difference between a human being and all other living things - the ability to reason.
this is not right at all. The old testament had been agreed upon without controversy at all. The catholics did not write the new testament either, it was a various assortment of apostles and Paul etc.
The only thing the church did was officially bind the already accepted letters and books together under one name the Bible. He would have a point but he is frankly just wrong with several of his facts.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. - Buddha.
No book can surpass the brilliance of the human mind. Only the mind enlightens all things. Simply the mind decides what is holy and unholy. What is truth and what is not. Ultimately in reality, there is no difference between any two views, but in the human mind there are endless complications.
@big7bro7, That's the lesson for Christians- what is the intense pain of living, the fear of dying, in the face of eternity? It is a parallel to the struggle of every living Christian to live a life that is difficult sometimes, in service to God, because this life is not forever. Jesus was the example.
GloryMisery 2 months ago
After reading the comments on this thread I find it pathetic that not a person realizes that Alan Watts a British philosophers wrote one of the best articles ever published in Playboy magazine. His “Worlds Most Dangereous Book” was published in the December 1973 issue. It is available on the internet, Google it! This was required reading in my Philosophy of Religion class in a school in Utah in 1974.
oregonsheepherder 3 months ago
These comments are kind of a microcosmic display of one of Alan Watt's perennial subjects of inquiry: the dogged infighting and exclusion that dogmatic thinking breeds. Thanks so much for the required reading material (I might not know much about Utah, but I'd guess such a class would have been a rare and revolutionary one!). I always read Playboy just for the articles anyways.
mikezephyr 3 months ago 2
@at7000 but christians dont use statistics, well at least the ones I know. Everyone is there own person and should not be judged by a statistic. Statistics=Prejudism,Racism, and Stereotypes. No, one is the same as the other in anyway. Dont bring numbers to a poetry slam.
TheGreenHRNT 3 months ago
Keep up the art!
Usernamesarebunk420 4 months ago 4
islam is the truth, read the Quran never changed, Jesus was Prophet, Bible has been altered and corrupted and changed to paganism, God is ONE and he alone is to be worshipped and submitted to and every Prophet came with the same message, read the Quran!
chekdamize7 4 months ago
@chekdamize7
if you really believe that then stop using a computer or any scientifically created tool made the last thousand years, because they were made completely without the Quran, so everything you comfortably depend on is NOT due to any holy scripture. I don't care what your argument or angle is, that's just how it is & if the words of your holy book contradicts the mentality needed to pursue these advancements for to truly better the world, then it holds no point to believe in it
vidarmoose 4 months ago
@vidarmoose
actually Islam encourages Scientific advancements, Muslims rules spain and are the ones who brought the world out ouf darkness, but we as Muslims know that Allah is the creator of all things and all theses advancements allow us to understand the world we live in more clearly, and the blessing that surround us, and the more scientifical breakthroughs we make only prove the Quran is revelation.....see for yourself
chekdamize7 4 months ago
@chekdamize7
Actually it doesn't prove the Quran at all, because the scientific breakthroughs were still made possible without the Quran. The Quran itself hasn't brought anything to the table & imagine this: instead of spending money on building churches or Mosks, or on different religious agendas the same money could be used for science that actually helps mankind & helps create a society that backs up science rather than religion. The feelings may be real, but it doesn't make the religion so
vidarmoose 4 months ago
@vidarmoose
no my point was not that the Quran provides scientifical breakthroughss but that whenever their is a huge breakthrough we find that the knowledge of it was already recorded in a book 1400 years ago, and that alone proves it is from Allah,
chekdamize7 4 months ago
@chekdamize7
Give me one line from the Quran that clearly mentions a scientific breakthrough made after it's creation.
Like I said, most religions throughout history have been known to oppose advancement that we are all now dependent on & not made because of religion. Religions have even gone so far as to create conflicts that delay what could have been human progress instead of destruction. I'm not saying that's all there is to religion, but for the most part, that's what it has accomplished
vidarmoose 4 months ago
@chekdamize7
& What does the Quran say about the 400+ billions of years of history of this planet? & The gap between the reign of dinosaurs & the beginning of man? Certainly there must be something brief & clearly worded part about that right? What about the infinity of space? Or how about the evils in the world, that religions indeed fail to obliterate using their method of force, contradicting the peaceful notion of any religion & proves them to be just another ideologic war machine right?
vidarmoose 4 months ago
@vidarmoose
Also, if the Qurans mentioning of past scientific breakthroughs was somehow true, then the Qurans mention & justification of heinous crimes, inequality & obscured morality that has been proven the wrongful path since it's creation when it comes to creating a peaceful world & has just served to justify hate would also be proof that it is indeed the simple work of men & not the words of a god who truly would have, as mentioned, probably grasped the consequences of these words.
vidarmoose 4 months ago
I missed half of the video because I was watching you draw...
cosmicmantis 4 months ago
Everybody wang chung tonight !!!
TheDouchesupreme 4 months ago in playlist alan watts
wow... groooooovy, thanks.
reemanmusic 4 months ago
I think the Old testament is based on the Sumerian stories of humans being created by aliens who wanted humans to think of them as gods. The teachings of Jesus are about real spirituality. Apart from Jesus being born into that religion, I think he was more similar to enlightened people from the East so the books shouldn't have been classed as the same religion.
SuzLa1 5 months ago
@SuzLa1 supposedly Jesus was outcast for people claiming he was the son of god and making such a big deal about it... he traveled for many years in the East, which is where he became truly enlightened, and his teachings are a derivation of Hinduism/Buddhism. I don't remember where I read that... but I read that somewhere.
proximity1620 5 months ago
@SuzLa1
You summed it up perfectly in the first two word of ur comment, " I think"
seppukuification925 4 months ago
The Catholic church did not "write" the New Testament. They assembled it.
xArchAngeL01x 5 months ago
@xArchAngeL01x Technically, the Catholic church says they've been around since the apostles and Peter is the first Pope. If that claim is true then the claim that the Catholic church wrote the New Testament isn't a stretch.
initforthevideos 5 months ago
@initforthevideos The Catholic church was established by the emperor Constantinople. The bible was an assembly of manuscripts deemed appropriate by a committee, set up by the emperor, and was only made because up until that time the practice of Christianity was banned; they had no holy book because you couldn't own anything connecting you to the new "fad". All beliefs were subjective to the person hearing/passing them on. Call it the grapevine effect. He merely established solidarity.
proximity1620 5 months ago
This video has a slower frame rate than a calculator.
AlexanderMazarakis 5 months ago
All I know is that I don't know anything. Peace and Love 4everybody.
giocanales13 5 months ago
Religions are so silly. From Christianity to Atheist, their all so intense. Just have love in your heart, and find someone that makes you happy. That's all you need.
magicalmalu 6 months ago 2
Any man who says Alan Watts is a fool, reveals his own foolishness for all to see.
TheAccidentalMonk 6 months ago
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shelleykinzerton 6 months ago
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shelleykinzerton 6 months ago
@bizzleblue, you argue like my 4 year old.
bpmcgough 6 months ago
@bpmcgough Then your 4 year old must be a very strng hearted child because every thing I say comes from my heart and my soul and with Jesus in my heart it only makes me stronger!!! So thank you for your compliment!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
I love being atheist :)
MuayThai4Llfe 6 months ago
@MuayThai4Llfe Sorry To hear that your in my prayers!!! Jesus Is the Truth, the Way , and the Life!!! That is a fact , and the truth!!! just ask Jesus in your heart and watch your life change miraculousley!!! Mine has!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 seriously? "human made God" nothing else
If there's no proof of some God then there is no God.
Face the reality. Do you believers really consider yourselves as smart guys? My answer is No when i look at you guys
MuayThai4Llfe 6 months ago
@MuayThai4Llfe Have you ever really readthe Bible I mean actualey read it? I have seen and experianced things in my life that science could not explain. Things wich only God could have done. Small mirracles that have changed my life as well as others. I hope that some day you too may know the Lord and have , Faith, hope, happiness and love as I do!!! Go form a hopless life to a life of hope!!! Peace friend my God touch your heart and soul!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 Nope.. because it's just your brain that is tricking you.. Im studying nature science and I know life and all physics law.. The bible has a lot of contradictions and it was written by a human being. Please I cant see a smart human that is religious. Maybe you couldn't explain it but, some other could.
There's a man offering 1 Million dollar to that guy that shows him a paranormal activity/magic what ever and no1 have ever done it.
MuayThai4Llfe 6 months ago
@MuayThai4Llfe Paranormal activity and my bleiefs are two differant things. Besides some say paranormal activity/ghost/magic can even be explained by science. Im not talking about those kind of things in the least, The fact that you say you cant see a religious person as smart is both sterio typing someone and is actualey dumb in it self. Your saying that all religious people are stupid just because we believe in something you cant understand!!!!! Do you hear you self when you say this? PLease!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 Sorry but im just telling the truth.. Without scientists, this world wouldn't evolve.
I haven't been atheist all my life until I understood that that was just stupid.. Im sorry if im offending you but face the truth. By believing in God you just feel good somehow. But there is no spiritual boundings with God himself.
People don't have a spirit, when you die nothing happens,there's no spirits involved
I have the faith to sh*ttalk God without being punished... Sorry if offending you
MuayThai4Llfe 6 months ago
Alan Watts is a fool and I feel bad for anyone who believes any of the crap he says. The Bible is Gods true word and that is a fact.
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 please prove it is gods true word, because right now your statement is invalid.
saints39 6 months ago
If you were born in another country you would believe in a different religion and say the exact thing.
TheMightyLu 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 How is it remotely a FACT that the bible is God's true word?
It's clearly a FACT that you're a fucking idiot. How does that sound?
dressup154 6 months ago
@dressup154 Because it holds many of lifes answers. such as where we came from. why theres differant languages, countries and cultures. And soo many other important answers. And I'm not an idiot because I have Hope, and Faith in Jesus and even others in my life. seems like your the idiot!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 Strange how all the steadfast believers are the ones who can't even spell at a 6th grade level. There's a reason there's a correlation between LOW IQ and ADHERING TO RELIGION. I don't expect you to understand just how dumb you are.
You know what else holds all the answers to where we came from, why there's different languages, countries and cultures? SCIENCE, HISTORY AND ANTHROPOLOGY. Get a fucking education you waste of skin.
dressup154 6 months ago
@dressup154 It is so sad to me how you insult me when all I want for you is to have hope and love in your life!!! Clearley you have none of this!!! Still I pray for you regardless of what you say or think of me. I hope that someday you realise that your unhappiness and anger stems from the fact that you are lost!!! It is not too late to change that. Peace friend God be with you!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 First, I'd like to say that I have an incredibly happy and stress-free life. Second, please don't pray for me, because clearly your God doesn't exist anyhow, so it won't do any good.
Third, it's pretty obvious to me by now that you're a troll - No one with a brain would say the things you do - So I'm going to stop responding to your poorly worded and terribly spelled pseudo-paragraphs now.
Bye troll.
dressup154 6 months ago
@dressup154 So let me ask you this seriousley, What are you living for? If you don;t believe in God then you have nothing to hope for. Do you even have a pourpose in your life? Seems so sad so lost and hopeless. And yes I will pray for you weather you deny Him or not and yes it will do some good, And i've noticed that alot of atheist like you are always constaney angry , angry at everything, Names like troll and insulting my intelligence. All so typical for an atheist, full of anger and hate!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 "All so typical for an atheist, full of anger and hate!!" What an angry and hate filled comment.
garyp2727 5 months ago
@dressup154 Makes sence though, you believe in nothing, have hope in nothing and no poupose in life. That would make anyone filled with anger and even hate!!! Obviousley you hate your self so how could you love or like anyone else. Have you ever been trueley happy in your life at all? Or have you been an angry hateful, bitter ogre your whole life. What a sad, depressing, awful life to hate everything including your self!!! it's called a typo you idiot what your perfect now? Hardlley!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 Says you?
VVillowz 6 months ago
@VVillowz Yup, Infact I do says!!! Thank you for clearafing that my friend!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
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VVillowz 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 Oh, it's your view on reality that you impose on others. It all makes sense now! -,-
VVillowz 6 months ago
The very concept of God has existed for as long as men have been capable of dreams/embellishment, or misinterpreting natural phenomena to be "of God's wrath". The Bible was an idea, using the ancient knowledge derived from Tribal/ Babylonian/Egyptian archetypes to adapt various important laws. However, it was "edited" much later, during the various Vatican Councils (Rome, Trent, etc.) to serve certain enclaves by giving perceived freedoms in exchange for total obedience and fear. It's control.
stuartgibb 7 months ago
@stuartgibb The Bible is not an idea its Gods word and its fact!!! Rediscover the truth man!!! Stop with this scientific atheistic crap and realise the truth. Jesus is Lord!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@vegasvegetarian no in gods eyes EVERY sinner no matter who they are reaps what they sow. christian or not.
xRobertx209 7 months ago
wwwdotExposingChristianitydotcom
GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
@GahdeMalprigi1488x do you believe every thing you read? eaxspecialey on the net? Of course theres gonna be a site that claims to "expose Christianity" Atheist and others will try everything to prove us wrong but they never will. Thats kinda sad n scary that you believe about anything you read. Open your eyes man dont believe everything you see on the net. I bet you were Christian or still are so if you were know know the real truth. Jesus is Lord !!! Period!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@bizzleblue38 You literally just made fun of someone for believing everything they read.
HEY FUCKING IDIOT, YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ TOO. YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, WHICH IS A CROCK OF SHIT.
You're too stupid to argue against :( You're just like the rest of Christians. You're all arrogant, stupid people and I hope we rid the world of religion so people can finally be happy instead of living by the made up rules of a being that never existed.
Your religion is a fucking joke. Die.
dressup154 6 months ago
@dressup154
The rest of Christians? That seems like an arrogant statement to me.
Easy on the generalizations. No matter who they're being made about, they're not a good habit.
ESSfig 5 months ago
Jesus: The Kingdom of Heaven is Within. Christians: Blindly follow Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, the Republican Party and give your paycheck to them.
Jesus: Whatever you have done to the least of mine, you have done to me. Christians: Let's screw those poor lazy bastardds amongst us, every possible way we can.
at7000 7 months ago
Jesus: Help the poor. Christians: Those lazy retards just need to get a job.
Jesus: Turn the other cheek. Christians: Lets start war after war.
Jesus: Love your brother. Christians: Kill your brother.
Jesus: Lead a simple and humble life. Christians: Make millions and be good little consumerists.
Jesus: Judge not lest you be judged. Christians: Judge everyone for anything and be hypocritical.
at7000 7 months ago 23
@at7000 I don't think all christians are like that, at least not to that extreme.
Amishboy2014 7 months ago
@Amishboy2014 Yes, or course, not all of them, way too many of them. It is interesting you post under the handle of "Amish Boy." Since the Amish are actually one of the rare Christian groups, who actually DO put Jesus' teachings into practice- Living simply/humbly, and non-Violence and such. So please don't take my comments as a slam on all Christians.
at7000 7 months ago
@Amishboy2014 Well, the "Amish Boy" thing is more like an inside joke thing, because both my parents were raised Amish, but then they left the amish church. But i do agree with you to a certain extent, there are lots of "christians" that go to church, but don't really live by jesus's teachings. There is so much more to being a christian than just going to church.
Amishboy2014 7 months ago
@at7000 Christians are just as human as everyone else man. We make mistakes we sin we stumble and fall. I'm a Christian and I'm not perfect but why you think were anything like this is beyond me. Hence the reason why Jesus died for us, for forgivness of all sins. We fall, we sin, we stray. But with prayer and strenghth and Jesus we are forgiven and we can learn, Amen!!!
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
@at7000 What you say about Jesus is correct. Nothing that you say of Christians is not entirely false, but in steadfast honesty I will say that it is not entirely true either. It is horrible how many times your statements have been correct and continue to come abut in many terrible forms, as a Catholic I will not deny the transgressions which my Church and members of my Church have committed throughout the millenniums. But I will also recognize that there are Christians that
doctrwilson 3 months ago
@doctrwilson follow the holy book for what it really is and what it was truly meant for. The teachings of Jesus have been discarded, manipulated, and propagandized many, many times. Fortunately on the other hand they are still followed by some, even many and even if there are less virtuous Christians, the climax of the Bible is the resurrection which proved that ultimate love (his sacrifice and forgiveness) is more powerful than ultimate evil (torturing and killing an innocent man, the son ofGod
doctrwilson 3 months ago
@doctrwilson but is it really a sacrifice if he knew he was gonna be resurrected beforehand? I'm sure it hurt super bad, but what's some intense pain under the scope of eternity?
big7bro7 3 months ago
I respect Christ's teachings- Help the poor, non-violence, live a humble life, etc... However, 99.2% of people calling themselves "Christian" do not follow any of those teachings.
at7000 7 months ago 7
@at7000 again we are Christian but we are human and we sin!!! Are you not tempted? Do you not sin or make mistakes? why do you keep chastising Christians as if were sposed to be perfect? If you believe in Jesus Christ the one true Savior and you are saved then your guarenteed Heaven. But sin willalways be there trying to drag us downa nd sadley sometimes it's sucseeful. Thats christian/human life. Get it now?
bizzleblue38 6 months ago
wow, fantastic understanding of it. I really like how you see a discontinuity to "revelation" (or "enlightenment", if you will) in the broadest sense of the word. once placed on a larger continuum, it fails. nice!
mikezephyr 7 months ago 4
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@vegasvegetarian < C/Church is a machine running out of fuel that comes from the sweat and blood of its followers which are on the decline. It'll die its own death. So the karmic truth : "what men sow they reap" going to be realized just as Romans' and Greeks' golden period ended.
Zeno1999 8 months ago
You draw really well.
Slicc7 8 months ago 17
why thank you very much.
mikezephyr 8 months ago
@Slicc7 I concur. That's amazing, and watching it like that is fun.
punchdrunkatheist 8 months ago
I didnt comment to debate with u sweets. Im sorry if u found room for debate in what I said. to put it simple we are all the same. peace.
5104560711 9 months ago
I go to church, but I dont believe that ppl who read the koran r going to hell. everybodies relationship with the Most High is not the same. peace.
5104560711 9 months ago
@5104560711 Going to church doesn't make a person a Christian, in the same way me going to Burger King does not make me a burger.
AnAsianBeliever 9 months ago 2
@AnAsianBeliever I dont know if thats the best analogy n not really the point I was trying to make.
5104560711 9 months ago
@5104560711 ok let me back up a bit. You used "going to church" to set yourself up as someone who follows God [or is a Christian] (this part is an assumption). I simply point out that going to church does not mean that someone actually follows God, nor does it show others that you are a Christian.
Are you saying people who read the koran (like for fun or research) or are you saying people who follow the koran?
AnAsianBeliever 9 months ago
@AnAsianBeliever Amen
truthseeker010101 9 months ago
@AnAsianBeliever that was hilarious
JinxOz 8 months ago
Buddha came to me for enlightenment, I told him to go the fuck home.
Desertbiker125 9 months ago
To take DMT is to find god. Look it up.
tobo86 10 months ago
I was looking for "Alan Watt" when I came across this non sense. Alan Watt is very inteligent. Alan Watts is a dope just looking at half the picture.
StopTheViolenceOf666 10 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 You said "Alan Watt is very inteligent" ... it's Watts* and intelligent.* How is he intellgent in one of your thoughts and then a "dope" in the next. I really trust your educated opinion now. ;)
Llavez 10 months ago
a monkey cult by any other name will leave as much viscera and doo on the floor.
newnewly 10 months ago
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If life is meaningless, there is no right or wrong. If God doesn't exist, then there is no law. If there is no law, then there are no consequences for breaking a law and no judgment after death. If you believe this, then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die. But know that God will not be mocked, whatever a man sows that he also reaps. And if you sow unto sin, then you reap death. All thinking men who are NOT fools WILL come to this conclusion. The wisest man in the world did...
StopTheViolenceOf666 10 months ago
Is life not a thousand times too short not to bore ourselves?
The Christian resolution to find the world ugly
and bad has made the world ugly and bad
mikezephyr 10 months ago 23
"then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die". I kind like that thought (although also fully admitting that it's not as if we're only mouths to feed). Besides, even if you take your moral instruction from the outside as you do- from external religious authority- you still have to "eat and be merry for tomorrow you die"; the world can very well be a joy to live in (unless you're a Christian whose moral puritanism, asceticism, and life-denial sees the planet as a "vale of tears" to escape).
mikezephyr 10 months ago 8
"If God doesn't exist, then there is no law."
Do you mean a religious, moral, divine law? Like "thou shalt not kill"? Well, you don't need any God or gods to establish that as a tenet of society: it's perfectly understandable that to kill is bad, you don't have to worship God to figure out that one. Laws are made by men, not gods.
mikezephyr 10 months ago 34
@mikezephyr Actually most laws especially in the west are based on the bible
24base 10 months ago
@24base you're joking right? Have you read the Old Testament laws (which Jesus upheld to be true)? It condones killing gays, killing disobedient children, cutting the hand of a woman off if she touches genitals in a fight, cutting off hands for thievery, it allows marriage of brother in sister (Abraham & Sarah), Incest between father and daughters (Lot), genocide, infanticide, wrath killing, human sacrifice... Our laws were based on Greek philosophy. Quit your Bible school and go to college. ;)
Llavez 10 months ago
@Llavez lol I actually do go to college i study biomedical science and in my study of biomedical science it has only strengthened my belief in GOD because when you see how our bodies work you come to understand that there is no way this could have happened by pure luck.
I always find it so funny that aetheist believe that there is no god because there is no proof well theres also no proof he isn't there. And why are you so defensive are you scared that what you believe isn't true
24base 10 months ago
@24base I know many like you. You study science and think that it confirms your preconceived notions of reality. Since you say you understand the human body, maybe you would like to explain the "great design" behind the lymph system or the laryngeal nerve in all mammals. If you're unfamiliar, please study it and come back with a better explanation than evolution. I'm here for your amusement. lol The only fear I have is that stupidity out-breeds reason one day. ;)
Llavez 9 months ago
@24base I also hear this argument you propose so often. If you believe something exists, it is your responsibility to provide the evidence. It is physically impossible to prove something doesn't exist because there is no means to measure it's existence. I could propose to you the same thing: There's no proof that Zeus, Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Krishna, or Allah exist. The only proof that I need is the lack of proof on your behalf. I make no claims, only discredit yours from lack of evidence. ;)
Llavez 9 months ago
@Llavez We could sit here arguing forever but when it comes down to it life is a ball of choices if you believe that there is no god then so be it to you there is no god.
Lets say some guy knew god was real what would his understanding of that fact lead him to? He would live a life were everything he did would be governed not by is options but by the options of god. The whole point of believing in god is that you believe in him because you want to not because you are forced too.
24base 9 months ago
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and CHOOSE with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one. OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one. OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
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@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
@24base see my following comment below.
Llavez 9 months ago
@24base Then either give a child a Bible, Torah, and a Qur'an a book on Science when they are a child and let them read them all and actually choose with no one telling them what to choose, or to influence either one... OR wait until they are at least 20 so their prefrontal lobes can develop and actually use reason to analyze the data. :)
Llavez 9 months ago
@mikezephyr And one more thing the reasoning of a Atheist is that since there is no proof of god there is no god but if you do not know whether there is a god or not how do you know he isn't there.
24base 10 months ago
@24base You are using displacement to put the burden of proof on us. If I believe unicorns made the universe, I don't say,"Prove they didn't." Quite simply, you can't prove something exists or does not exist when it doesn't have a means to be measured. Creationist theory requires one to believe that a thinking, living brain created the universe by exact mathematical thinking, in the absence of even light. Provide proof if you want to claim it, or else there's no evidence for us to refute.
Llavez 10 months ago
@mikezephyr
It is reasonable to say that laws come as a natural consequence to intelligent structures mingling into a intelligent society.
WyattsFreakinChannel 9 months ago
@mikezephyr "It's perfectly understandable that to kill is bad"
You haven't attended University have you? I took several ethics classes and even a intelligent Atheist would disagree with this statement. . first, nothing in this world is "perfect". Secound, Ethics is not "understandable" to most people, if it was I would not meet so many people looking for Ethcis and pointing in the wrong direction. I have "Ethics: Discovering Right and Wrong" if you want to borrow it. : )
truthseeker010101 9 months ago
@mikezephyr Divine Command Theory conforms to "the good" while Naturalist Absolutist like myself beleive that what is naturally occuring without human influence is "the good". These Naturalist views fit well with Divine Comamnd Theory. I would challenge anyone who wants to be a better person, wants to live for love, and not hate to study Ethic's. Our most highly esteemed Philosophers might help you to find your own personnal ethical beleifs. Be preparred to be wrong though. : )
truthseeker010101 9 months ago
@mikezephyr The problem is that evil men always creep in throughout all history. When Yahshua the Messiah returns there will be no bs.
StopTheViolenceOf666 8 months ago
@mikezephyr
You're correct, man can make laws all he wants, and determine, by cultural and social means, what is to be considered right and wrong in a given society. I think what my friend there is trying to say is this: if there is no God, if a higher conscience does not exist, than those laws are only as powerful as that particular society. As C.S. Lewis put it (in more words than I can quote here) if a man appeals to a sense of true right and wrong, he is appealing to a higher divine ethic.
MichaelJulianoGuitar 7 months ago 2
@mikezephyr he might have meant without god if the world were lawless is wouldnt matter, kill some 1 and get away with it, die, and still got away with it with no consequences, but maybe get caught while alive on earth :o.. xD
xRobertx209 6 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 what about the thousands of people murdered during the crusades? christians murdered people who didnt believe in the same religion as them, they murdered "for god" but what fate did those men (murderers) see after death? peace and everlasting life? cause your a FOOL if you think so...
ICG94XP 10 months ago
@ICG94XP Well don't make that assumption, and neither one of us will look stupid. But those crackers back then did a work for the dark agenda. I suggest you listen to Alan Watt. He talks about the plan nwo has had throughout the ages. I add that agenda was contrived by the devil, satan.
StopTheViolenceOf666 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 you worships sun cycles... im not saying God doesnt exist, but whos to say anyone has it right? nd last i checked, every religion on earth takes human casualties, and how are you christian, catholics or w/e you are so high and mighty to talk down on people? your not God, and as far as "judgement" after death, look into DMT...
ICG94XP 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 "If there is no God... there is no consequence [for doing immoral acts]" First of all, only people who believe in an afterlife care about what happens after death. For the rest of us, we understand that this is the only round at life, it is best to treat others well so we can live longer ourselves. Causing pain only inspires others to hurt. I don't need a book from sheepherders to know that. As an atheist, I choose to be good for social cohesion's sake. I use logic.
Llavez 10 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666
I don't need god to tell me that kindness is good and hear and hate is wrong. I don't have a problem with the idea of God, God cannot be defined so how ycan one say he does or doesn't exist. But it's so blatantly obvious that the bible is written by man, to be used to control other men, and is complete and utter bs. Anyone with an education that amounts to anything has to recognize this.
smaxterthegood 10 months ago
@smaxterthegood Well one thing everyone needs to understand is the word "hope". People take it out of context and missuse the word hope. It doesn't mean like I hope it doesn't rain. The propper word there would be pray or wish. Hope means asurence. You have hope if you go to work you get a check, or there is still hope until you find out some one is dead. Hope is promise, and those of the true faith find that in God's word.
StopTheViolenceOf666 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 There is a big difference between finding "hope" as you define it in God's Word and stating the the Bible is definitely the word of god, as it is written and thereby everything in it is as good as law and that anyone who disagrees or doesn't believe it deserves to go to hell. What kind of God would allow for a hell, I can tell you what kind of god... the kind created by men in power to maintain control through fear over other men. I'd like to tell you about my faith...
smaxterthegood 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 My faith is in a God who created me not with the intellect, or the compassion, or even the goodness to always know right from wrong, but a soul, a mind, a SOMETHING inside of me that allows me to LOVE and as long as I can love on some level, I can connect to God on some level. And that he isnt going to waste his fucking time worrying about what Name I call him or what book I seek him out in. I think he wants me to seek him via loving others.
smaxterthegood 9 months ago
I hope you can find THAT god, Because I have seen your God and he is the god of petty greedy men who call themselves christians, My god's chosen people is all men.
smaxterthegood 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666
I don't need god to tell me that kindness is good and hear and hate is wrong. I don't have a problem with the idea of God, God cannot be defined so how one can say he does or doesn't exist. But it's so blatantly obvious that the bible is written by man, to be used to control other men, and is complete and utter bs. Anyone with an education that amounts to anything has to recognize this.
smaxterthegood 10 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 This is sheer ignorance.
ZhuangziZhou 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666
So by your logic if I don't sin I live forever? Hmmmm...
cygnusfloyd 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 very good reply
rjohson 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Sounds like a bunch of rubbish to me. That was a myopic, narrow minded rant. Ican't believe Chuck Norris came to that conclusion. He is better than that.
flubno 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Ultimately there is no right or wrong. Just actions. Any concepts of right or wrong have evolved along with civilization, and have certainly nt come from a 'good book' especially the bible, a book that contains such laws as those concerning the proper purchase and punishment of slaves, or that children should be put to death for not honouring parents, deservedly or otherwise. That consenting people of the same sex will be put to death for an act that they perform in private
shinikaze 8 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf66
Lets look at the other side of that coin. If you sin you can be forgiven...so whats the point of being good if no matter what you do you can be forgiven? Truly, it is in this sense that there are no laws because there is nothing you cant be forgiven for. Might as well do as Martin Luther said and...."Sin Boldly!"
Furthermore, what kind of morality is there in the bible? Slavery is accepted...genocide is encouraged. How is it moral if it doesnt stand the test of time
DcEatsItsYoung 7 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 Actually, even the Bible especially clear in Galatians, does not hold this to be true. You should start with the end, go to Galatians, and work your' way back. "Whatever a man sows he also reaps", i.e. karma. The whole reason Jesus came, did what he did, and died was to put an end to that line of thinking. Grace is getting what we don't deserve and mercy is not getting what we do deserve. Zen simply goes about freeing people up for that end more directly. Jesus is love.
UniversalQi 7 months ago
@UniversalQi jesus is fake just like your books and your religion hahahhahaha
p6a9u1l42 7 months ago
@p6a9u1l42 Well, since I don't have a religion, and I agree religion is a fake, I'm not sure why you assumed that... I don't know which books you mean are fake, or whether you mean the Bible. It could mean the message you've heard conveyed by churches you don't like (I don't usually agree with churches). I also don't know what it means to say Jesus is a fake, because it is really a fact that he lived. We divide our calendars in the west based on him, BC vs. AD, or even BCE vs CE.
UniversalQi 7 months ago
@UniversalQi its a fact he lived... really show me. ya maybe a guy named jesus lived now prove it was the one from the bible and prove he did anything do not use the bible for proof. so what if the west changed their calanders, how does that mean its right. also why did you private message me the same exact thing. get a life and grow up and stop believing in mystical creatures....you do understadn that most dates for jesus such as december 25th (his birth) is stolen from pagens.....
p6a9u1l42 7 months ago
@p6a9u1l42 That sent as a private message? Wierd. Must have been a Youtube glitch.
As for everything else, here is my response: okay
UniversalQi 7 months ago
@p6a9u1l42 I am a troll and I live in a hole :)
norrisonthespot 7 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 It is foolishness to claim to KNOW at all...unless you fully know EVERYTHING...you can not claim that everyone will come to that conclusion because you did...how foolish to actually come to a conclusion...it must be nice to know it all.
Rabeye07 7 months ago
.....and the people worship created things rather than the Creator.....
I will not deny that Alan Watts is a brilliant thinker but he has still gone the way of the fool by denying the existence of God. Ridicule the authority of the Catholic church, yes, and even the traditions of men that have brought about the horrors wrought from so-called "religion" but deny that an intelligent Designer exists and your ideas are as dangerous as any murderer or ruthless dictator.
StopTheViolenceOf666 10 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666
You are separating yourself from "God." God is everything and nothing.. because they are the same.
Desertbiker125 10 months ago 4
@Desertbiker125 you are reverberating something you heard. Everything we see is made of atoms, and now we know atoms are empty. God could destroy your head, doesn't mean he was in it. We have control of the descisions we make, God sets up opertunities in life, doesn't mean we did what we wanted.
StopTheViolenceOf666 9 months ago
@StopTheViolenceOf666 I love the way you liken Alan watts to a murder cos he may not believe the bible as fact. Scientists and people like Alan watts always get labelled as ignorant by religious groups yet these groups have no room for lateral thought and see everything in black n white terms. Scientists and theologists are always questioning things and contry to your ignorance they never believe that they can now explain everything and have all the answers
tenfootmice 10 months ago
Fantastic drawing.
ExtremeBogom 10 months ago
B.S. FROM THE EGOIST....THIS IS NOT THE WHOLE STORY...TO THINK THIS ALL (THE WORLD AND IT'S PASSENGERS)HAPPENED BY CHANCE IS IDIOCY!
treon123456 10 months ago
@treon123456
CAPSLOCK MAKES MY TEXT LOUDER!
wollclark 10 months ago
Catholic's didn't actually write the bible, but they did add sections of it strictly for the Catholic Church. There are other Bibles that aren't connected to the Catholics.
BTW no one human is infallible. It's just a mistake in thinking.
tlady21 10 months ago
@sgt00X Regardless of who wrote the books of the bible, they were still men, fallible, and imperfect men. It amazes me that people are too terrified of negative social consequences to step outside tradition and question the validity of what they have been taught, to seek answers based on there own experience. To accept that the bible offers the one and only 'truth' is to forfeit the single most significant difference between a human being and all other living things - the ability to reason.
nealholdenjuju 11 months ago
this is not right at all. The old testament had been agreed upon without controversy at all. The catholics did not write the new testament either, it was a various assortment of apostles and Paul etc.
The only thing the church did was officially bind the already accepted letters and books together under one name the Bible. He would have a point but he is frankly just wrong with several of his facts.
sgtOOX 11 months ago
@sgtOOX Your naivety is astounding.
emperor0013 11 months ago
@sgtOOX And you believe this? common bro think. Don't get trapt inside an illusion.
ajvaldez11 10 months ago
Alan Watts is the Truth Itself.
bilal216 11 months ago
Very nice
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deadadelta 1 year ago
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it. - Buddha.
yztuc 1 year ago
It's hard to argue with people with a British accent because it never fails that you walk away from the argument looking like a moron...
slinkycat321 1 year ago
No book can surpass the brilliance of the human mind. Only the mind enlightens all things. Simply the mind decides what is holy and unholy. What is truth and what is not. Ultimately in reality, there is no difference between any two views, but in the human mind there are endless complications.
KeniLeeBurgess 1 year ago
There was a moment where the picture was perfect. But by overdoing it you destroyed it.
Fapsamup 1 year ago
@Pri13
Well Said!
Bogoa2000 1 year ago
Good choice for a video, Mike. Definitely an interesting exhibition of the proper use of analogy, with regards to the judge and advocate quote.
Me likes.
TheEndingDay 1 year ago
So many things wrong with this...
Smetch 1 year ago
Can we trust written text about events that happened 382 years ago, from now?
slack7638 1 year ago