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  • It's nice that you're repurposing stuff, but dual Xeons for a home NAS... from the NetBurst era too, that has to be chewing through power. Seems it would be better dropping the couple hundred for a microserver.

  • lol

    "expensive blue smoke"

    nice!

  • Though this is an old old video I had to remark about his system.

    He has FIVE BLOWN CAPACITORS.

  • sweet system... but take a bit more pride in ur work now im not a cable management natzi but u make yourself look bad with shotty work like that... sure it works but if u wont it to last for many years to come dont let ur cables touch the ic chips on the mainbord becaue when heat becomes a factor u risk the pvc insulater becomeing soft and causeing a short (I know from expreiance) ALSO USE SOME RUBBER MAT ON UR OTHER 2 DRIVES TO REDUCE VIBRATION AND SLIDE OR CORRUPT HDD WILL RESUALT

  • Looks like the caps are blown on the motherboard.

  • the only reason cable management is necessary is for air flow because the CPU has a direct vent there is know reassign to do much cable management.

  • So I thought I had a hard drive problem and it turned out that one of the power cables had come out half way. /facepalm.

  • do you no how i install free nas on my 4gb usb stick? it wont let me because the usb stick is over 2gb. i need to overide this somehow.also can i use a dual core 2gb old hp laptop as freenas? problem is my dvd drive in the laptop is broken so i cant install freenas to the hdd. my bios has an boot to usb harddrive option. i would really really appreciate any help. cheers pete

  • @petegrimsby You're going to need someone like Mr. Scott from Star Trek. I canna override the bios Captain! Did you try the install on another computer?

  • @xboxprogroup You can make an FTP cite, not sure about a formal website. Check out the Source Forge Stuff on FreeNAS.

  • @TronPancake Yes.

  • you're running windows? :(

    Did you install freeNAS on one of the 2TB hard drives? I thought freenas required an entire drive? I just setup a freenas 7.x on IDE drives and installed the OS on a CF card.

    are you planning on upgraded to freenas 8?

  • @neworleansrocks I am an operating system omnivore. I have Linux boxes, Macs, & Win machines. This machine (which I am in the process of replacing by the way as one of the drives went bad) is entirely FreeNAS. When I replace it, I'll use the latest and greatest iteration of FreeNAS.

  • @Thaed How many gb of RAM will the new fNAS machine have? I hear that the more ram it has, the better especially for zfs purposes.

  • 2x2,6Ghz Xeon proc oooooouuuuuu man over kill for free nas for storage server ....

  • @saladin119 So the quadcore box I'm moving to next is right out then? :)

  • 64meg of ram and a 400mhz cppu runs 1tb great

  • @matty12345a1 Yes.

  • lol that computer has puffed up capacitors. This computer probably has already overheated and stopped working.

  • @NpplStyle08 A number of people pointed out my negligence on capacitor checking. Yes, the machine is dead, but ironically it was one of the drives that took it down. The blown capacitors must be for something not material to functionality as I had no problems until I lost the drive. Incidentally, I highly recommend the SATA card I used as it immediately beeped when the drive went south and wouldn't stop beeping until I took the machine down.

  • PLEASE:

    "gig" +S. plural. --> gigabytes, plural.

    "gigahert" + Z. --> "gigahertz"

    nails on a chalkboard.

    Now that that's out of the way - how does your 8TB system hold up? looks sweet!

  • @ainrue Meh, geek slang.

  • question: How does one backup 8 tb ?????

  • @waygross lol Who knows XD with 16 tb ?

  • I have a question, I have installed freenas 8 I can access the web ui but how do you transfer data and retrieve data from it, I'm new to servers and I don't really understand.

  • Cool shit man one day I'll have a server too and FreeNas seems like the best choice

  • This computer is from when dell was all about performance. I like things to look good, but I want them to work more... I wish dell would go back to their old ways. Work on computing first, then worry about looks after.

  • You could've bought a Dual 5.25" Bay to 3 3.5 "hard drive adapter, or whatever the measures are.

  • 8TB would be overkill for me since I have a 1TB and it's about half-way filled with all of my stuff on it, the vid was helpful since I'm looking into building a freenas box of my own, but I'll probably go with something a bit smaller.

  • How much power does this machine use? It's so mucht overkill, loose one of the CPU's.

  • @jantjevlaam being an older machine I can't see it using more than 300-400 watts max, but I doubt it will ever hit that much as most of the time the CPU's will be near idol so actual consumption will be around 100-200. not that bad

  • dude, i build pc's for gaming, but what the hell is a server? and what do you use them for?

    thanks

  • @ThePCgamer1989 its basically a computer that you can access from any room in your house...you can watch porn in ANY room in the house

  • @ThePCgamer1989 data storage, you can store stuff on em and access it from the internal network, and via the internet if you set it up right

  • Dell servers are awfully built though, cheap as hell. I like IBM and HP, built like tanks.

  • Do you think that with just one western digital green drive i'll get those speed? Assuming i've enought processing power and a gigabit lan.

  • Wild bird food.

  • Cable management makes a huge difference in airflow/cooler temps. It's not being anal it's just not being lazy for no reason. As long as you are taking the time to set up a server anyways I don't understand not going ahead and making the inside organized as well. We are talking like 5 more minutes of work.

  • i need freenas help! i need to know how to install it! THANKZ

  • 2 cpu's. kool

  • 8TB ? WOW that's a lot of porn :P

  • be careful jamming in drives loose and jammed together, you may get heat issues

  • , you know just enough to get into trouble

  • @technopoptart No trouble yet for 25 years. Just lucky, I guess.

  • @Thaed opps.. that was a copy and paste mistake, i tried to unpost it. I only meant to comment about heat issues with stuffed drives.

  • @technopoptart No worries.  :-)

  • @mttxza Lian case. *snicker*

  • @mttxza Jupp, just build myself one in that case with a mini-itx board (Jetway and with daughterboard=8xSATA ports). Got 6 drives with 12TB altogether in Linux RAID 5

  • @mttxza assumming you'll get the same raid card. You'll be still spending about 500 more then him. Considering he spends like 100 dollars for 4gb ddr1 ram. You'll spend 250-400 just for cpu-mobo at the least and that's WITHOUT that 300 dollar lian li case.

  • just thought id tell you the reason your old server could of been running slow is the buffer sizes in smb. its helped me in the past

  • @kain41 Thanks. I'll check that out.

  • hi, im looking at getting either a 1tb or 2tb hard drive but i want to see if you think that my old computer can take it. i have a freenas of course

    800mhz

    256mb (can get up to 512mb if i really want to)

    i will be adding more hdd's to it that will go up to about 8.5tb over all

    im using a 500gb on ide for the install and for my first hard drive but i want to add the most i can because of the limited drive space and get the most gb for the space i have

    any advice would be helpful, cheers

  • @liquidchild101 Wow, that's a slow box. Honestly, at this point, I'd just buy some bare minimum CPU/mobo/RAM from NewEgg & you'll have more performance and less heartache over legacy issues concerning your RAID cards, lack of USB boot and things like that.

  • 4gigs of Ram for a FreeNas box???

    and I admit... I cringed when you shut that case... :)

  • I thought the green drives were awful for RAIDS and the whole thing could easily die?

  • @Ben333bacc

    Nah, both Patrick Norton & Ryan Shrout have agreed that the green drives are fine. I have had zero problems.

  • You have a few bad capacitors on the the top of the board, the problem is if you don't fix it will blow the voltage regulators on the motherboard and the powersupply also may take out other hardware due to the voltage spike, and a short circuit could occur, if you know how to solder it will only cost you a few bucks, you can buy them tru digikey or allied electronics.

    Also you have you have one of your harddrive mounted upside down, will also cause unnecessary wear to the read/write heads

  • Your video is very interesting, please remember to clean the fans and vents from time to time, 24/7 operation in a house enviroment fills them up with dust. You have made me think of making a FreeNas box of my own, regards David

  • My main "workstation" pc is an ancient dual Xeon, (3.06Ghz) it runs Windows 7 64bit Ultimate fine, although I am using Raid 0 on it the inbuilt interfaces are only SATA1 and yet it can shift data back and forth to my sever at over 300Mb/s. I was dogged by slow transfers with my other server but this is fast enough! The faster server by the way is only a Dell Poweredge 2500, dual P3s at about 1.4Ghz.

  • Those green editions have 4 platters :s 

  • 5:12 I see blown capacitors on the left.

    I hate working on older Dells for this reason.

  • @solkre Seriously? Drat! It must be something that's not crucial though because it's been performing rock solidly since the build. I do feel kind of silly though throwing hundreds of dollars into an old & busted machine when I could just make a cheap AMD box, put the drives in there and have something that's much faster.

  • @solkre Good eye, looks like at least 5 bad ones. Possible this is a year 2000 machine. Was an issue for a lot of manufactures using a specific brand of cap and a ton of electronics went into homes blowing caps within months to a year. Short story is, someone stole the formula for a new capacitor material, turns out it was not stable. Company's like Asus, HP, Sony and so many others, built and sold millions of gadgets with only a few willing to recall some of it.

  • Is it possible to run the amd64-OS on the two Zeons or is the entire system a conventional 32-bit platform?

  • @Bandicoot803 Zeons are intel chips, so do not use the AMD build. As to whether the Zeons are 64 bit, I'm not sure. I have tested them with 64 bit Windows XP and it will not recognize them as 64 bit. They are pretty old chips. See icoma89's comments below if you want to try an AMD64 build.

  • @Thaed Xeon's aren't old... I run two of the e5504's in my build - and it handles a ridiculous amount of traffic. 20 virtual machines, multiple instances of IIS, AD, SRCDS et. al for all VM's.

  • @Bandicoot803 Yes... you can run the AMD64 on the 64 bit Xeons.

  • Awesome setup dude, 6TB is an awesome amount of storage. The only thing that is holding ur speed back is that RAID card and NIC. Best option is to use PCI-Express devices. My setup includes an Athlon 64 dual core chip and an onboard Gigabit NIC connected through the PCI-E bus (Asus :-) ). Average file transfer speeds are ~800mbps!

  • @icoma89 Agree at least until some of the newer stuff becomes commonplace (USB 3, 6 gb SATA). Since FreeNAS supports multicore, going with a cheap AMD is a good idea. I may do that when I build my 12 TB server...

  • If you need to boost the network throughput, consider bonding the gigabit network interfaces.

  • beast lol i love that cable management

  • If you are using hardware raid, is freenas even needed? For example, if you put that card in a windows machine, would it already do the raid 5 for you?

  • @Armornone It depends what you want to use it for. FreeNAS does have a nifty software RAID that I have used in my prior builds. With this build, I shifted to a hardware RAID, but I still need the FreeNAS Samba features for the box to be an effective file server for the 20 or so computers in my house. Could you make a windows box do the same thing? Probably, but not with the same security or uptime or speed, IMHO.

  • @Thaed Thanks for the reply. So you could install a stand alone samba feature on your linux machine correct? The FreeNas software was just used for its Samba ability since you had a hardware RAID card correct? I currently have a Buffalo terastation and a netgear Readynas however am Looking to expand and thinking of building my own raid system so I can have 8 HD instead of 4. Freenas software raid scared me. If the operating system or computer goes down, your data is lost with software raid?

  • @Armornone I could never get Samba/Linux to work. My Linux skills aren't the best though. FreeNAS is brain dead easy. I actually caused the kind of crash you're talking about and I was able to rebuild the software RAID without data loss. Hang out in the FreeNAS forums for a bit on Source Forge & you'll get a good idea of the pros & cons of FreeNAS. As it is, I'm basically a FreeNAS fanboy.

  • @Thaed How did you recover from the hardware/operating system error? Did it require a special tool or program or was with setting up freenas again and somehow mapping/connecting the drives back up without needing to reformat them?

    Can you tell me what cons you feel with freenas? Is your freenas running on the array itself or on a CD, USB drive, stand alone hard drive, etc.? Thanks a lot for your help.

  • @Armornone No special tool. I was just able to do it through FreeNAS itself. Check out sourceforge. I have one machine using a cd/floppy to boot and my new machine boots from a USB stick.

  • Wow i have 2 x 2.6ghz xeons i bought 6 xeons for £2 off someone need to get a motherboard and im going to build a server

    Is this thing power hungry? cost alot on electricity bill

  • @feverofhell2 It shouldn't be too bad. I think the power supply is only 300 watts. It's been working great.

  • @feverofhell2 yes i own a few of these and a few 470's 670's and a 690 they are power whores....just wait till your ups kicks in... DOOMED... i have been currently switching out these bigger ones... keeping my 690 beast tho.... for foxconn's r20d3 atom.... hyperthreaded dual core... (atom) gotta build it from scratch tho

  • nice!

  • It occurs to me that I'm sort of the anti-Will Urbina. He designs, welds and wires together sleek, beautiful 16TB NAS devices and I kludge together what I happen to have to build big, bulky old computer NAS devices with half the storage. Urbina has mad skills & I don't. LOL.

  • Well, since my brother game me the machine for free, I figured I would use it. It is twice as fast as the 4TB server it replaces. So sure, I could keep using older stuff, but free is free either way. I'm loving it. Thanks.

  • "And that video got a lot of hits"

    I was one of those hits. Your videos helped me set up my own first FreeNAS Server. I've since moved on to Ubuntu, but I still test the Nightly Releases of FreeNAS.

    Can I ask why your bothering with 4GB of RAM for a FreeNAS Server? Does it really need it? Surely you could find a better use for them, along with those dual Xeons, and keep something a bit more frugal on power for a FreeNAS server?

    And yes, what you did with those cables hurt lol :)

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