they are both amazing as this variation is quite difficult. sylvies extension makes the lass diagonal more exciting to watch showing stamina and technique while elisabeths port de bra is more delicate which softens the look and feel of this variation which is hard to do. however they both dont quite make the port de bra change in the beginning diagonal with the turn in attitude look the way its supposed to ... they kind of shorten it instead of really turning and using their arms to complete it
The thing is, both are exceptional in their individual styles. Patel really emphasizes her piques, pas de bourrees and generally her feet more than her whole leg. On the other hand, it's obvious that Guillem has better extensions and control of her legs, so to show that she places more emphasis on the control and sharpness of her extensions. Even from the beginning of the variation you see the difference in where each dancer places her tension, Patel in her feet and Guillem in her legs.
It would interesting to know at what point in their career the two ballerinas in question performed this variation. Guillem seems very young, contrasted by Platel's more seasoned interpretation.
both are clearly two of the best french ballerinas of all time. I think it's great that they don't have the same feel of music. I prefer Elisabeth in these two videos but i love both as dancers.
Elisabeth WINS. We all love Sylvie BUT sometimes she just looks like Sylvie doing a variation, BORING. Patel has a wonderful interpretation of the music and she is also cleaner technically which is GREAT.
@icarrus4u i cant believe you just called her boring. i cannot STAND you wannabe ballerinas coming on youtube and trashing professional artists you will NEVER be able to emulate. its sad and pathetic. jealousy is destructive. if you were smart you'd actually try and learn something from these extraordinary women instead of veiewing them as your competition. they are NOT your competition.
@ILoveFriedFetus I think you should probably learn how to compare technique with dancing. Obviously YOU have ALOT to learn about dancing (PERIOD). I like them both and I will always admire Sylvie, but she does seem as she has said before that classical roles are archaic movements. LOOK IT UP, you probably wouldn't understand that either. Plus any professional dancer who tries to "emulate" another dancer ISN'T PROFESSIONAL. You have alot to learn.
@ILoveFriedFetus Babe, I would never be "pissed" especially by someone like you who doesn't READ. No one's trashing, just comparing. Patel is better here, Guillem looks bored as usual. I really love Sylvie in contemporary works. You'll never win this argument with me, so get over it.
@icarrus4u im sorry, what professional company do you dance with? you're a principal where? that's what i thought!!!! amateurs are beyond rediculous with their "opinions" of professionals.
@ILoveFriedFetus I've danced with two major companies and several productions companies around the world. What point are you trying to make idiot? Get a life, no one is trashing anyone but I can definitely trash you for being a person with NO IDEA what your saying or trying to say... I bet you haven't even become a pro-professional STUDENT yet.
@ILoveFriedFetus Yes really. You should understand that dance like other forms of entertainment requires people to have an opinion of what they see, hear etc... You obviously have a problem with yourself, your craft or have been subject to criticism to have this sort of mentality. But once, if you so happen to "make it" in the professional world you will understand that people will love you, some won't and most won't care at all, that's life. Grow up.
@icarrus4u what i have a problem with is people getting on the internet, pretending to be shit they're are not, and picking on people who are professionals in their craft. you've slyvie boring TWICE now. who the fuck are you? a big fat nobody. which is precisely why you must trash those you are jealous of. grow up.
@ILoveFriedFetus You poor thing... I love my art-form and many other forms of dance. I also love Sylvie, I even have personal videos on youtube of her, which has received over 500,000 views. I'm not trashing her. Ballet isn't a billion dollar industry babe, many people think it's boring or they can't understand what we see... Are you going to dislike the world because it that... I basically ruined your life because my opinion is different than yours LOL!
@ILoveFriedFetus youre a nobody, bitter at the world because of your mediocre dance ability. you ruined my life? huh? do you take drugs? you sound like you take drugs.
en lo personal (amo a Guillem) pero prefiero el delicado control de Platel,la limpieza técnica del estilo perfecto,Guillem es algo, de otro planeta, no se puede creer lo que se ve, pero técnicamente hablando es tan indisciplinada que baila todo como le da la gana, no obstante a eso es divina tambien!
Don't know why everyone thinks Elizabeth is more graceful. I think Sylvie's was a lot more controlled, fluent and beautiful. Elizabeth looked like she was struggling a bit to me
both are fantatic... but i liked sylvias better, it was nicer to look at :P the other one was also great though :P however it's a boring solo and i hate french choreography :P
it kinda breaks my heart that you people are actually even comparing her to Guillem. I won't go into details, because it's my opinion and I do respect Platel. but please, for Christ's sake, Sylvie is still alive: don't do such injustice to her artistry.
Sylvie is A LOT better than this other dancer, Elizabeth? When i watched the second dancer perform i felt like she was in a hurry to catch a bus..she just did the moves she had to do and looked like she was in a hurry and wanted to move on. Not good.
I can't understand who says Guillem has less control and throws her legs, I think she has unbelievable flow and incredibly graceful port de bras; all what she does is so smuth as a single pas.
Platel is more sharp and fast, but that's a choice of style.. I think Guillem's tempo is scenically most effective.
Many years ago, before beginning this variation, the great American ballerina, Cynthia Gregory, and an overwhelming technician in her own right, stepped out onto the stage, took one last drag of her cigarette and then dropped the cigarette butt onto the stage floor before she stubbed it out with her pointe shoe. Lucia Chase, her boss and founder of ABT was furious and when she asked why Gregory had done that, she replied, "It's a tasteless and vulgar pas de deux". I kind of agree with her.
tres jolie!! je vais utiliser certain mouvement pour ma premiere video faite par moi sur "Coeur de pirate-fondue au noir". merci! :) ps: Une ballerine n'est pas toujours maigre et fine. Je suis de taille moyen et je suis delicate.
Sylvie's uper-body is gorgeous, so fluid ! i think she's amazing but Elisabeth's interpretation and use of music fits better the style of the Grand Pas Classique... both are so great two of my favorite french ballerinas :)
I love both dancers, but I gotta say, I prefer Elizabeth Platel's version of this. The music and choreography of Grand Pas Classique calls for a certain type of careful delicate precision and cleanness, which Elizabeth pulls off better.
hmm. elizabeht platel pulled it off better coz she was much sharper and more controlled, but sylvie guillem had much slower music and got her legs up higher, though im not sure how hard that really is for her... XD
I think Elizabeth Platel was a lot sharper, which i liked. Sylvie Guillem's costume was prettier and i loved her extension on the devlope. Both were beautiful.
Guillem all the way for me. Platel seemed lackluster next to Guillem, like she was so busy being perfect and controlled that she had no energy. Guillem even got the crown clapping along with the music at the end there :)
Elizabeth Platel est vraiment la meilleure danseuse qui soit! Gracieuse, technique, maitrisant chacun de ses mouvements et pouvant y incarner chaque nuance du la musique.
I think Sylvie's extensions are more beautiful nowadays and, of course, she is a wonderful ballerina. But I prefer Elizabeth's interpretation; she has more control and she is more graceful.
Paris Opera Ballet is by far my favorite company in the world. I absolutely adore them, except for the fact that they're trained to dance ahead of the beat. Being a Balanchine trained dancer, where we dance on the beat, it just drives me nuts. I think the only difference is because of Sylvie's world-wide fame, she adapted her dancing style to accomidate audiences across the globe. Elizabeth always danced like she was trained in school, never branching out of the POB's syllabus.
they are both amazing as this variation is quite difficult. sylvies extension makes the lass diagonal more exciting to watch showing stamina and technique while elisabeths port de bra is more delicate which softens the look and feel of this variation which is hard to do. however they both dont quite make the port de bra change in the beginning diagonal with the turn in attitude look the way its supposed to ... they kind of shorten it instead of really turning and using their arms to complete it
fashionisto20 2 weeks ago
the main difference between Elisabeth and Sylvie: the first is trapped in her acadamic cage. The second uses academics to be the marvellous herself!
fabiesque 3 weeks ago 2
The thing is, both are exceptional in their individual styles. Patel really emphasizes her piques, pas de bourrees and generally her feet more than her whole leg. On the other hand, it's obvious that Guillem has better extensions and control of her legs, so to show that she places more emphasis on the control and sharpness of her extensions. Even from the beginning of the variation you see the difference in where each dancer places her tension, Patel in her feet and Guillem in her legs.
KevinKimberly94 3 weeks ago
que liiinda
rayssa9240 3 weeks ago
so beautiful...did u go see the dance?? :) xx
killercerys5 4 weeks ago in playlist Variations
Her ARCH *-------*
weaird0cat 4 weeks ago in playlist Variations
Lovely.. both..!
CountDanse 4 weeks ago in playlist Variations
Both beautiful!
LaraBallerina 4 weeks ago in playlist Variations
Sorry, but Diana Vishneva's is better than both. Stunning control.
5FnX17 1 month ago
the second one is so boring!
twig911 1 month ago
Love Sylvie's flexibility and Platel's grace
10mov 1 month ago
It would interesting to know at what point in their career the two ballerinas in question performed this variation. Guillem seems very young, contrasted by Platel's more seasoned interpretation.
Migratenyc 1 month ago
She's so graceful !
blackeuh 1 month ago
something about elizabeth was just so much nicer to watch.
kmaelan112 1 month ago
I love them both, but I think Platel has more control.
chamuda610 1 month ago
Her pointe shoes look like they are part of her foot :)
brownballerina97 1 month ago
both are clearly two of the best french ballerinas of all time. I think it's great that they don't have the same feel of music. I prefer Elisabeth in these two videos but i love both as dancers.
FyreBalletDancer 1 month ago
Absolutely delightful!!!
byheavenlyhosts 1 month ago
Elisabeth WINS. We all love Sylvie BUT sometimes she just looks like Sylvie doing a variation, BORING. Patel has a wonderful interpretation of the music and she is also cleaner technically which is GREAT.
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@icarrus4u i cant believe you just called her boring. i cannot STAND you wannabe ballerinas coming on youtube and trashing professional artists you will NEVER be able to emulate. its sad and pathetic. jealousy is destructive. if you were smart you'd actually try and learn something from these extraordinary women instead of veiewing them as your competition. they are NOT your competition.
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus I think you should probably learn how to compare technique with dancing. Obviously YOU have ALOT to learn about dancing (PERIOD). I like them both and I will always admire Sylvie, but she does seem as she has said before that classical roles are archaic movements. LOOK IT UP, you probably wouldn't understand that either. Plus any professional dancer who tries to "emulate" another dancer ISN'T PROFESSIONAL. You have alot to learn.
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@icarrus4u no, you're pissed because i called you out on trashing a prima ballerina. plain and simple.
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus Babe, I would never be "pissed" especially by someone like you who doesn't READ. No one's trashing, just comparing. Patel is better here, Guillem looks bored as usual. I really love Sylvie in contemporary works. You'll never win this argument with me, so get over it.
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@icarrus4u im sorry, what professional company do you dance with? you're a principal where? that's what i thought!!!! amateurs are beyond rediculous with their "opinions" of professionals.
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus I've danced with two major companies and several productions companies around the world. What point are you trying to make idiot? Get a life, no one is trashing anyone but I can definitely trash you for being a person with NO IDEA what your saying or trying to say... I bet you haven't even become a pro-professional STUDENT yet.
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@icarrus4u oh really? what companies? it is simply amazing how many "professional" dancers there are on youtube!!!
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus Yes really. You should understand that dance like other forms of entertainment requires people to have an opinion of what they see, hear etc... You obviously have a problem with yourself, your craft or have been subject to criticism to have this sort of mentality. But once, if you so happen to "make it" in the professional world you will understand that people will love you, some won't and most won't care at all, that's life. Grow up.
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@icarrus4u what i have a problem with is people getting on the internet, pretending to be shit they're are not, and picking on people who are professionals in their craft. you've slyvie boring TWICE now. who the fuck are you? a big fat nobody. which is precisely why you must trash those you are jealous of. grow up.
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus You poor thing... I love my art-form and many other forms of dance. I also love Sylvie, I even have personal videos on youtube of her, which has received over 500,000 views. I'm not trashing her. Ballet isn't a billion dollar industry babe, many people think it's boring or they can't understand what we see... Are you going to dislike the world because it that... I basically ruined your life because my opinion is different than yours LOL!
icarrus4u 1 month ago
@ILoveFriedFetus youre a nobody, bitter at the world because of your mediocre dance ability. you ruined my life? huh? do you take drugs? you sound like you take drugs.
ILoveFriedFetus 1 month ago
At this point of perfection, I think the difference between these two ballerinas is just matter of taste.
Tellie021 2 months ago 3
Platel....magnifique de pureté, de classicisme, de précision, et des port de bras de rêve!
colonia3059 2 months ago
I prefer Elizabeth Plantel doing this variation: she has so much control and she is so graceful!!
Isabel6129 2 months ago
en lo personal (amo a Guillem) pero prefiero el delicado control de Platel,la limpieza técnica del estilo perfecto,Guillem es algo, de otro planeta, no se puede creer lo que se ve, pero técnicamente hablando es tan indisciplinada que baila todo como le da la gana, no obstante a eso es divina tambien!
alejimenez76 2 months ago
Don't know why everyone thinks Elizabeth is more graceful. I think Sylvie's was a lot more controlled, fluent and beautiful. Elizabeth looked like she was struggling a bit to me
ilyharrymcfly 2 months ago 2
Elizabeth Platel was more graceful
PrincesseNinja 2 months ago
Sylvie!! Trop Belle :)
SpartanGraffiti 2 months ago
I prefer Elizabeth Platel's version.:-)
stillBKM 2 months ago
je préfère elizabeth platel ^^!!
banane63100 2 months ago
amazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing !!!!!
she is awesome !
xknowmex4 2 months ago
both are fantatic... but i liked sylvias better, it was nicer to look at :P the other one was also great though :P however it's a boring solo and i hate french choreography :P
MrNocco 2 months ago
@MrNocco This is not a french choreography
MrMirko3 2 months ago
loks like a horse dancing
MyCreativeCreation 2 months ago
it kinda breaks my heart that you people are actually even comparing her to Guillem. I won't go into details, because it's my opinion and I do respect Platel. but please, for Christ's sake, Sylvie is still alive: don't do such injustice to her artistry.
pointemeout 2 months ago
@pointemeout elisabeth platel is also alive?
MrNocco 2 months ago
@MrNocco
Yes.
pointemeout 2 months ago
Ahhhh, so lovely! Just peaceful and soothing to watch ...
LilyNoelleArt 3 months ago
Elisabeth's extensions are good enough... I also prefer her variation, but that doesn't mean I dislike Sylvie's.
theamazingsoter 3 months ago
They make it look so easy, and most beautiful, i tried this at home and scared the cat...oh and I pulled a muscle in my back!
danabanana111 4 months ago in playlist danabanana111's favorites 3
Sylvie is A LOT better than this other dancer, Elizabeth? When i watched the second dancer perform i felt like she was in a hurry to catch a bus..she just did the moves she had to do and looked like she was in a hurry and wanted to move on. Not good.
MistyLake77 4 months ago 4
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
I think Sylvie definitely has amazing extensions and her precision needs work, but Platel's in-between steps aren't very neat.
lilto328 4 months ago
que delícia de público na 1 variacao
caroolsoares 5 months ago
She is very good! ;D
wiebikiwi19 5 months ago
I can't understand who says Guillem has less control and throws her legs, I think she has unbelievable flow and incredibly graceful port de bras; all what she does is so smuth as a single pas.
Platel is more sharp and fast, but that's a choice of style.. I think Guillem's tempo is scenically most effective.
prossimamente 6 months ago 19
Sylvie is definitely the first one
danidoce 6 months ago
Many years ago, before beginning this variation, the great American ballerina, Cynthia Gregory, and an overwhelming technician in her own right, stepped out onto the stage, took one last drag of her cigarette and then dropped the cigarette butt onto the stage floor before she stubbed it out with her pointe shoe. Lucia Chase, her boss and founder of ABT was furious and when she asked why Gregory had done that, she replied, "It's a tasteless and vulgar pas de deux". I kind of agree with her.
avesraggiana 6 months ago
Ugh! Her feet kill me! I want to be her! : )
rilley120 6 months ago
Their arches are amazing!
KarmaNicole94 7 months ago
magnifique
MissSheenoize972 7 months ago
@TorchPegasus2089 No, it's from "Grand pas Classique". It's in the title. : )
smartballerina 7 months ago
tres jolie!! je vais utiliser certain mouvement pour ma premiere video faite par moi sur "Coeur de pirate-fondue au noir". merci! :) ps: Une ballerine n'est pas toujours maigre et fine. Je suis de taille moyen et je suis delicate.
fidelle10 7 months ago
tres jolie!! je vais utiliser certain mouvement pour ma premiere video faite par moi sur "Coeur de pirate-fondue au noir". merci! :)
fidelle10 7 months ago
Sylvie is the first performer no doubt about it!!!
bournoville2006 7 months ago
@TorchPegasus2089 Raymonda, I believe
Whyville101 7 months ago
Sorry danse85, Sylvie is the second!
juanef1 8 months ago
@juanef1 No she is the first one !
dansepassion74 8 months ago
Sylvie's uper-body is gorgeous, so fluid ! i think she's amazing but Elisabeth's interpretation and use of music fits better the style of the Grand Pas Classique... both are so great two of my favorite french ballerinas :)
FyreBalletDancer 8 months ago
Both are lovely each with different strengths. I'm a fan of both but love Sylvie's dancing here more.
keiliana 9 months ago
I love both dancers, but I gotta say, I prefer Elizabeth Platel's version of this. The music and choreography of Grand Pas Classique calls for a certain type of careful delicate precision and cleanness, which Elizabeth pulls off better.
Arrghigiveup 10 months ago
hmm. elizabeht platel pulled it off better coz she was much sharper and more controlled, but sylvie guillem had much slower music and got her legs up higher, though im not sure how hard that really is for her... XD
jinpitakki33 11 months ago
I think Elizabeth Platel was a lot sharper, which i liked. Sylvie Guillem's costume was prettier and i loved her extension on the devlope. Both were beautiful.
taylorr723 11 months ago
Guillem all the way for me. Platel seemed lackluster next to Guillem, like she was so busy being perfect and controlled that she had no energy. Guillem even got the crown clapping along with the music at the end there :)
brutish123 11 months ago 2
which ballet is this from?
TorchPegasus2089 1 year ago
IL BALLETTO CLASSICO MI METTE IN PACE CON IL MONDO .........TROPPO BRAVA!!!!!!
TheFrancesca68 1 year ago
Elizabeth Platel est vraiment la meilleure danseuse qui soit! Gracieuse, technique, maitrisant chacun de ses mouvements et pouvant y incarner chaque nuance du la musique.
ISWEARYOU 1 year ago
je fais de la danse depuis 7ans est je nai jamais vu autant de legerté
Little75209 1 year ago
wunderbar
rufus39 1 year ago
Elisabeth Platel a davantage de délié.
ISWEARYOU 1 year ago
Elisabteh Platel did it better. Her movements are more clear and controlled.
sweetaliena 1 year ago 36
@sweetaliena even i have to admit it... sylvie is just throwing her legs about.
calmtides 7 months ago
GUILLEM GUILLEM GUILLEM!
rrrm95 1 year ago
I PREFER TO GUILLEM!!!
melgoza0721 1 year ago
@melgoza0721 me too!
dunlopben 1 year ago
I think Sylvie's extensions are more beautiful nowadays and, of course, she is a wonderful ballerina. But I prefer Elizabeth's interpretation; she has more control and she is more graceful.
rivombreuse 1 year ago 38
Paris Opera Ballet is by far my favorite company in the world. I absolutely adore them, except for the fact that they're trained to dance ahead of the beat. Being a Balanchine trained dancer, where we dance on the beat, it just drives me nuts. I think the only difference is because of Sylvie's world-wide fame, she adapted her dancing style to accomidate audiences across the globe. Elizabeth always danced like she was trained in school, never branching out of the POB's syllabus.
tristan23reid 1 year ago 2
both unbelieveable!! sylvie seems more flexible and strong (in body and prensce) while elizabeth seems more graceful. i cant pick!!
kfmcmahon 1 year ago
Sylvie is fantastic dancer and İdol.. I think noone will be come like her ..So special ..everything I loveee her ...
likeafirstday 1 year ago
Personnally, I just like Elizabeth a whole lot better. I din't want her to retire.
AGirlWhoLovesBallet 1 year ago
the first one is sylvie :)
danse85 2 years ago 11
@danse85 would you tell me wich music they're dancing?
aatjazznan 1 year ago
@aatjazznan The music is by Daniel Aubert (ballet "Marco Spada"}
MrsSmith152 1 year ago
@MrsSmith152 Thank you very much, I appreciate it a lot! it killed me not knowing it, thnx again!
aatjazznan 1 year ago
so is the first one elizabeth and the second sylvie? i'm a little lost ...
balletrocksmyworld 2 years ago
@balletrocksmyworld
The first one is Sylvie Guillem and the second one is Élisabeth Platel. :)
Farennah 1 year ago