Now if only Chomsky's "freedom" had not of come at the expense of the tax slaves that have been forced under the threat of imprisonment to pay his salary and research funding.
@justintempler You wish it was under the threat of imprisonment. It's under the threat of death, 'cause if you resist the arrest, they'll kill ya. That's exactly what we're talking 'bout. There's no freedom, and no justice.
But at lease there's people that thinks and talks 'bout a better world that is possible. Don't let'em tell ya that's a dream. Going to the moon was a dram...
The freedom Chomsky defends isn't a governmental, yet imposed justice; if you follow the line of thought, replacing private elites who own you by a group of people who own you, you are still a slave -- and this solution was highly criticized way before the Bolsheviks: a wealth imposed threat can't be replaced by a politically imposed threat and grant us hope things will change. It's still a ruling elite. You need to have both economic and political elites to fall.
What is the classical argument for free trade? People are inherently good, they all pursue their well-being. If they are free, even if they only work for their selfish interests, they will necessarily yield public benefits in doing it.
But the condition for that to happen is freedom and private ownership of the means of production constitutes an autocratic rule. Under that structural condition, pursuit of individual interest becomes pursuit of the owner's interests.
What I understand of the Marxist analysis, the Enlightenment and of what Chomsky explains here is that all form of power that allow for the person above to benefit of those bellow is unjustifiable because it constituted the basis for exploitation.
Further, it means there no longer is an equal ground of power from which people associate, but a hierarchical system wherein people above used people bellow. I think in matters of incentives here...
If you put people who try to be better off as much as possible, if you consider that freedom is what brings any sort of value to human life, you can't go around the thing: that hierarchical structure is self-destructive, plain wrong.
I just noted it's my and not the... Chomsky is indeed paid in a system that is wrong, but he's at least using that money to educate people as much as he can.
nice little vid, don't you just love it how Chomsky usually talks so long in his speeches to convey the facts after facts to support his conclusions. It's nice to hear his conclusions quickly and straight to the point, with only a couple facts to help free our deluded minds from common sense. do more music videos with quotes by Noam, its entertaining and informative for those who can't manage to get through his "boring" speeches with minds trained for quick soundbites.
Every man being an equal owner among his workers of the work he does in his life is just a simple common sense probably genetically engraved into our mental makeup by evolution. Greed is just a pathetic byproduct of the mind and will eventually be reshaped or removed naturally at the expense of enduring early human history.
The idea, as truly defended, was that humans were naturally good and that all human value stems out of freedom. It was thought that free humans would inevitably yield good results -- and I have yet to verify if it is true, but I might say the opposite situation has been proven to yield the opposite results. If you have men work for someone above them, inevitably, the pursuit of self-interest no long yield public good, but constitutes exploitation. Hence, the essence of greed.
It is the concentration of power to an extent that cannot be justified in the hands of an elite which is not held accountable or only partly so that makes problems -- which we all despise -- arise in a social reality. It is not only industries and the social relations of production that constitutes an impairment to freedom: so does any unjustified an unanswerable, unaccountable, position of dominance... Power should be used to benefit people bellow or else it's exploitation.
All of that is very clear, even with Plato when he tells some people are thought of as powerful when they cannot do even what they will. He tells us that you should want better people to live by your side and, hence, tyrants who abuse of their power, who use it in any other way than to improve its citizens, were actually weak.
If you want freedom, you need to put an end to the institutions and social relations which allow people to use power for anything except benefiting people.
But as noted, more than often, power is used for the sake of maintaining power and pursuing carelessly the ends of those who stand above at the expenses of those who stand bellow them. So, let's be sensible and careful if we ever devise an alternative.
could use the volume a notch or two higher on Chomsky's voice and a notch or two lower on the music, but otherwise an eloquent statement, brilliant in its simplicity. the music accompaniment IS nice
@steve032981 You're right. I've could have done that better. I had that Chomsky speech. But I found a video with that sample, and kinda liked it. So i used it. Damn it, I'm a fraud. Sorry
Professor, you have everything right here, and hearing it invokes more respect & admiration for you than anything else you have said.
Money, capitalism, socialism - they were all meant to be means to certain ends. One of those ends should be to allow each individual to follow their passion, to learn, to explore, to enjoy. If the means start to get in the way and become ends in themselves, then they should be scrapped.
Why the shitty music?
billob212 2 months ago
Now if only Chomsky's "freedom" had not of come at the expense of the tax slaves that have been forced under the threat of imprisonment to pay his salary and research funding.
justintempler 5 months ago
@justintempler You wish it was under the threat of imprisonment. It's under the threat of death, 'cause if you resist the arrest, they'll kill ya. That's exactly what we're talking 'bout. There's no freedom, and no justice.
But at lease there's people that thinks and talks 'bout a better world that is possible. Don't let'em tell ya that's a dream. Going to the moon was a dram...
tossit2emraw 5 months ago
@justintempler
The freedom Chomsky defends isn't a governmental, yet imposed justice; if you follow the line of thought, replacing private elites who own you by a group of people who own you, you are still a slave -- and this solution was highly criticized way before the Bolsheviks: a wealth imposed threat can't be replaced by a politically imposed threat and grant us hope things will change. It's still a ruling elite. You need to have both economic and political elites to fall.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@KrugmanTheKing You miseed my point entirely. Thanks for playing.
justintempler 1 month ago
@justintempler
What is the classical argument for free trade? People are inherently good, they all pursue their well-being. If they are free, even if they only work for their selfish interests, they will necessarily yield public benefits in doing it.
But the condition for that to happen is freedom and private ownership of the means of production constitutes an autocratic rule. Under that structural condition, pursuit of individual interest becomes pursuit of the owner's interests.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@justintempler
What I understand of the Marxist analysis, the Enlightenment and of what Chomsky explains here is that all form of power that allow for the person above to benefit of those bellow is unjustifiable because it constituted the basis for exploitation.
Further, it means there no longer is an equal ground of power from which people associate, but a hierarchical system wherein people above used people bellow. I think in matters of incentives here...
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@justintempler
If you put people who try to be better off as much as possible, if you consider that freedom is what brings any sort of value to human life, you can't go around the thing: that hierarchical structure is self-destructive, plain wrong.
I just noted it's my and not the... Chomsky is indeed paid in a system that is wrong, but he's at least using that money to educate people as much as he can.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
Chomsky has a screw loose.
adamitshelanu 6 months ago
@adamitshelanu May be. I'm feelin'em short of loose too lately. But you know what? It's a great feelin'. I was startin' to hate myself...
tossit2emraw 6 months ago
nice little vid, don't you just love it how Chomsky usually talks so long in his speeches to convey the facts after facts to support his conclusions. It's nice to hear his conclusions quickly and straight to the point, with only a couple facts to help free our deluded minds from common sense. do more music videos with quotes by Noam, its entertaining and informative for those who can't manage to get through his "boring" speeches with minds trained for quick soundbites.
architect333 6 months ago
Noam.......... you are a dreamer.
raymondtovo 6 months ago
Every man being an equal owner among his workers of the work he does in his life is just a simple common sense probably genetically engraved into our mental makeup by evolution. Greed is just a pathetic byproduct of the mind and will eventually be reshaped or removed naturally at the expense of enduring early human history.
architect333 6 months ago 2
@architect333
The idea, as truly defended, was that humans were naturally good and that all human value stems out of freedom. It was thought that free humans would inevitably yield good results -- and I have yet to verify if it is true, but I might say the opposite situation has been proven to yield the opposite results. If you have men work for someone above them, inevitably, the pursuit of self-interest no long yield public good, but constitutes exploitation. Hence, the essence of greed.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@architect333
It is the concentration of power to an extent that cannot be justified in the hands of an elite which is not held accountable or only partly so that makes problems -- which we all despise -- arise in a social reality. It is not only industries and the social relations of production that constitutes an impairment to freedom: so does any unjustified an unanswerable, unaccountable, position of dominance... Power should be used to benefit people bellow or else it's exploitation.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@architect333
All of that is very clear, even with Plato when he tells some people are thought of as powerful when they cannot do even what they will. He tells us that you should want better people to live by your side and, hence, tyrants who abuse of their power, who use it in any other way than to improve its citizens, were actually weak.
If you want freedom, you need to put an end to the institutions and social relations which allow people to use power for anything except benefiting people.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
@architect333
But as noted, more than often, power is used for the sake of maintaining power and pursuing carelessly the ends of those who stand above at the expenses of those who stand bellow them. So, let's be sensible and careful if we ever devise an alternative.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
could use the volume a notch or two higher on Chomsky's voice and a notch or two lower on the music, but otherwise an eloquent statement, brilliant in its simplicity. the music accompaniment IS nice
steve032981 6 months ago 2
@steve03298-I agree, I have to turn it up loud to hear Noam's mild voice.
theironworker781 6 months ago
@steve032981 You're right. I've could have done that better. I had that Chomsky speech. But I found a video with that sample, and kinda liked it. So i used it. Damn it, I'm a fraud. Sorry
tossit2emraw 6 months ago
@tossit2emraw haha!! don't be too hard on yourself!! Noam is the man, all efforts to promote his thoughts are appreciated.
steve032981 6 months ago
Professor, you have everything right here, and hearing it invokes more respect & admiration for you than anything else you have said.
Money, capitalism, socialism - they were all meant to be means to certain ends. One of those ends should be to allow each individual to follow their passion, to learn, to explore, to enjoy. If the means start to get in the way and become ends in themselves, then they should be scrapped.
DCWhatthe 6 months ago