Could I use this video in a video of my own. I would like to show why the bike lanes in my city are dangerous and some vehicles parked in the door zone?
@carrigan88 - I don't recall where I had heard that the first video was from Chicago, and it would not surprise me if that was an Asian city, since low powered e-bikes and scooters are common.
A suggestion; mount a helmet cam on the dummy's helmet and/or bike handlebar. Then the video would show the live action view seen by the door zone cyclist.
@gdrenkes - Crash #4 was a handlebar camera. That's why you could see that the bike had been tossed into the lane, and the cyclist was able to catch himself. The crash dummy footage is from the early 1990s and were I to do this over again, I'd have the dummy+bike about 18" to 24" further left, to show what happens when the door does not catch the cyclist and damp much of the energy. I suspect it will look a lot more like crashes 1, 2 and, 3 - violent leftward throw of rider into traffic.
The ensemble could do without the last "crash". If not staged, it was "asking for it". Otherwise, a very sobering message from which we all need to learn. The third real crash especially appeared intentional and malicious on the part of the motorist.
@tlnelsn - The motorist got out and checked on the cyclist. I do not believe it was malicious. Most doorings result from two contributory mistakes (even though the legal fault assignment rests with the motorist):
1) Cyclist rides in door zone (which is why door zone bike lanes are particularly troubling)
2) Motorist opens the door either without looking or missing the cyclist.
Do you really believe the NYPD would stage a crash? Come on...
@CyclistLorax, For demonstration/training purposes, yes. The cyclist was driving slowly through a very crowded area with stopped taxi cabs in multiple lanes, pedestrians coming and going between stopped cars. We see the NYPD vehicle door inch open a moment before the cyclist comes abreast, at an opening in front of a stopped cab, and catches the bicycle from the side, not the back edge. A large pedestrian, dressed like a woman, comes out of nowhere to catch the cyclist. I think so.
Note that (dot) = . So replace (dot) with ., and you'll have the link to the gothamist article about the incident. Suffice it to say, the NYPD does not like cyclists they door. There's another article on the same gothamist site where the NYPD chased down a woman they almost doored.
@tlnelsn - I think you miss my point in showingthe last crash. Had that been moving traffic to the left, the low speed bicyclist would have been hit or run over by the taxis. I was foreshadowing this with my initial text comments.
@CyclistLorax, you made your point very well with the first three crashes. If I may make an editorial suggestion to re-order the crashes in order of severity and point building, show 4th first, 3rd second, 1st third and 2nd last. Do you see my point?
@tlnelsn - Of course I see your point, but my intent was different. I wanted to show the crashes in the order I arranged them to emphasize the the "throwing to the left", and was not at all concerned about severity, since the point of the video was to show the potentential lethality of being thrown to the left and into a travel lane. Had traffic conditons been different, all 4 of the doorings in the video could have been fatal, and the dynamics of many fatal doorings have developed similarly.
@CyclistLorax, Page Not Found. Maybe it is authentic. I don't think I'm that much of a stickler for realism. I say that perception is important. The last "crash" pales in comparison to the others. Consider my comment an editorial suggestion.
@gcziko - The first and second were in Chicago, the third I do not know, since I found the clip on YouTube and it did not have much of a description, since it was a second hand upload from a site that has a lot of sensational crash videos from car and overhead cameras. I showed it becasue it shows what happens when the door opens after the cyclist passes and lays down bike, throwing the rider into the street.
@TheVexatiousLitigant - It's never fun to show people being injured, however, it is important to show people why hitting a door is so deadly because one is very likely to be thrown into traffic.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Were all of the "real" door zone crashes filmed in real life and not staged? I find the existence of those videos almost "too good to be true" - especially the last one with the NYPD patrol car... :-)
At 1:25 a taxi apparently hits the cyclist who was just doored. Was the cyclist hit by the taxi? The video is not conclusive...
@goldcoastjon - Yes, those were all unstaged videos I found on YouTube. The cyclist was thrown into the Taxi. The odd thing was that the Chicago police charged the taxit driver with not slowing (how the heck could anyone react in time to stop, the whole crash happened in less than a second), and did not cite the motorist who opened the door into the cyclist! Luckily, the courts dismissed the charges.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Were all of the "real" door zone crashes filmed in real life and not staged? I find the existence of those videos almost "too good to be true" - especially the last one with the NYPD patrol car... :-)
This threat is very real. A good reason for cyclist to 'take your lane.'
tedmagnusson 4 months ago
Could I use this video in a video of my own. I would like to show why the bike lanes in my city are dangerous and some vehicles parked in the door zone?
KrunchyJD 4 months ago
@gcziko The first crash (1:07-1:29) was posted orginally on Youku.com (Chinese video sharing site == youtube). Possibly a PR China or Taiwan city?
carrigan88 5 months ago
@carrigan88 - I don't recall where I had heard that the first video was from Chicago, and it would not surprise me if that was an Asian city, since low powered e-bikes and scooters are common.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
A suggestion; mount a helmet cam on the dummy's helmet and/or bike handlebar. Then the video would show the live action view seen by the door zone cyclist.
gdrenkes 5 months ago
@gdrenkes - Crash #4 was a handlebar camera. That's why you could see that the bike had been tossed into the lane, and the cyclist was able to catch himself. The crash dummy footage is from the early 1990s and were I to do this over again, I'd have the dummy+bike about 18" to 24" further left, to show what happens when the door does not catch the cyclist and damp much of the energy. I suspect it will look a lot more like crashes 1, 2 and, 3 - violent leftward throw of rider into traffic.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
This video is the best example of why riding in the door zone is dangerous that I have ever seen.
WHY do city planners keep painting bike lines right next to street parking? It gives danger a mask of security, making it doubly dangerous.
DRGeoduck 5 months ago
The ensemble could do without the last "crash". If not staged, it was "asking for it". Otherwise, a very sobering message from which we all need to learn. The third real crash especially appeared intentional and malicious on the part of the motorist.
tlnelsn 5 months ago
@tlnelsn - The motorist got out and checked on the cyclist. I do not believe it was malicious. Most doorings result from two contributory mistakes (even though the legal fault assignment rests with the motorist):
1) Cyclist rides in door zone (which is why door zone bike lanes are particularly troubling)
2) Motorist opens the door either without looking or missing the cyclist.
Do you really believe the NYPD would stage a crash? Come on...
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
@CyclistLorax, For demonstration/training purposes, yes. The cyclist was driving slowly through a very crowded area with stopped taxi cabs in multiple lanes, pedestrians coming and going between stopped cars. We see the NYPD vehicle door inch open a moment before the cyclist comes abreast, at an opening in front of a stopped cab, and catches the bicycle from the side, not the back edge. A large pedestrian, dressed like a woman, comes out of nowhere to catch the cyclist. I think so.
tlnelsn 5 months ago
@tlnelsn - Nope. The woman was a ped who you can see crossing the street. But don't tek my word for it:
gothamist(dot)com/2011/07/27/video_cop_doors_cyclist_gets_told_t(dot)php
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
Note that (dot) = . So replace (dot) with ., and you'll have the link to the gothamist article about the incident. Suffice it to say, the NYPD does not like cyclists they door. There's another article on the same gothamist site where the NYPD chased down a woman they almost doored.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
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tlnelsn 5 months ago
@tlnelsn - I think you miss my point in showingthe last crash. Had that been moving traffic to the left, the low speed bicyclist would have been hit or run over by the taxis. I was foreshadowing this with my initial text comments.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
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tlnelsn 5 months ago
@CyclistLorax, you made your point very well with the first three crashes. If I may make an editorial suggestion to re-order the crashes in order of severity and point building, show 4th first, 3rd second, 1st third and 2nd last. Do you see my point?
tlnelsn 5 months ago
@tlnelsn - Of course I see your point, but my intent was different. I wanted to show the crashes in the order I arranged them to emphasize the the "throwing to the left", and was not at all concerned about severity, since the point of the video was to show the potentential lethality of being thrown to the left and into a travel lane. Had traffic conditons been different, all 4 of the doorings in the video could have been fatal, and the dynamics of many fatal doorings have developed similarly.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
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@CyclistLorax, Page Not Found. Maybe it is authentic. I don't think I'm that much of a stickler for realism. I say that perception is important. The last "crash" pales in comparison to the others. Consider my comment an editorial suggestion.
tlnelsn 5 months ago
Nice work. soundtrack has double entendre, dark nature of the crashes and a new bike lane color: "paint it black".
carrigan88 5 months ago
The last of the four real dooring crashes obviously took place in New York City. Where did the first three occur?
gcziko 5 months ago
@gcziko - The first and second were in Chicago, the third I do not know, since I found the clip on YouTube and it did not have much of a description, since it was a second hand upload from a site that has a lot of sensational crash videos from car and overhead cameras. I showed it becasue it shows what happens when the door opens after the cyclist passes and lays down bike, throwing the rider into the street.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
Great video, though I hated watching it, and it has made me very angry. Great Video!
TheVexatiousLitigant 5 months ago
@TheVexatiousLitigant - It's never fun to show people being injured, however, it is important to show people why hitting a door is so deadly because one is very likely to be thrown into traffic.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
Great job, Dan, as usual. Pictures tell the story better than anything else.
tombunniii 5 months ago
GREAT VIDEO!!! Were all of the "real" door zone crashes filmed in real life and not staged? I find the existence of those videos almost "too good to be true" - especially the last one with the NYPD patrol car... :-)
At 1:25 a taxi apparently hits the cyclist who was just doored. Was the cyclist hit by the taxi? The video is not conclusive...
Thanks for all your great tools!
Jon Spangler, LCI #3175
goldcoastjon 5 months ago
@goldcoastjon - Yes, those were all unstaged videos I found on YouTube. The cyclist was thrown into the Taxi. The odd thing was that the Chicago police charged the taxit driver with not slowing (how the heck could anyone react in time to stop, the whole crash happened in less than a second), and did not cite the motorist who opened the door into the cyclist! Luckily, the courts dismissed the charges.
CyclistLorax 5 months ago
GREAT VIDEO!!! Were all of the "real" door zone crashes filmed in real life and not staged? I find the existence of those videos almost "too good to be true" - especially the last one with the NYPD patrol car... :-)
Thanks for all your great tools!
Jon Spangler, LCI #3175
goldcoastjon 5 months ago