After Japan, Korea has the longest history with modern Kendo, due to its former status as Japan's colony.
Sure, its called Kumdo there, but with the exception of some etiquette and practice routines (and some unbelievable revisionist origins history in some ultranationalist circles), it is the same damn thing; It has stayed fairly consistent with Kendo, which is why the International Federation of Kendo allows Team Korea to participate in the WKC in the first place.
Pride: 1) Japan revising its history texts to make light of their atrocities in the occupations of Korea and China. 2) South Korea perpetuating hateful propaganda against China and Japan, always fueling uncalled-for animosity against the two. 3) China, trying to illogically incorporate Korea into its ancient history, and also spreading unnecessarily hateful propaganda against Japan for crimes against its people (which still happened), when it can't even properly care for its own people.
While we must remember history so as not to repeat its horrors , we, as the inheritors of the future, must not manipulate the past to only perpetuate more hate.
What good will more war and hate do for anyone anyways? "Make amends and move on..." Not as easy as it sounds, I know, but it is because pride gets in the way. NOTHING ELSE.
whoops, posted this under my friend's account by accident, sorry buddy
Anyways, what I was saying...
One of kendo's main overarching purposes is to promote friendship between its participants. All you China/Japan/Korea haters have no right to sully this beautiful art with your ill-informed, uneducated bs.
If you hate on any of its participants, then you hate on the art. Practice some kendo, and either you'll respect its qualities or hate it as it defies the very core of your despicable self.
glad Korea finally broker throught and finished on the top. this is a great art/sport. I'm really getting into it.
one other note: our father's generation hold a lot of bitterness towards their neighbors: koreans towards chinese. chinese towards koreans. chinese and koreans and the rest of asia towards japan...etc..
it doesn't matter anymore. let it rest. let's move forward.
It is also moot to ague the origins of sword martial arts in Japan and Korea for another reason. The only international samurai war that was ever fought was the Imjin war where Hideoshi invaded Korea. It is worth noting that the most devestating weapons during this war were guns, cannons, and f lamming gun powder arrows. I live in Jinju, Korea, where Korea actually mounted a strong defense. The museum here has Korean swords, the hilts on the swords only have room for one hand, unlike katanas.
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What the hell is this shit???? Korea seems to become Champion at this competition but who gives a SHIT? Japan and Korea copied China about everything and now they are desperate to hid the fact! POND SCUM!
ok, first of all, the points the korean scored were amazing. Marvin Kawabata is known for his kote-men...look at the 57 second mark when marvin throws his kote-men. The korean steps back on the kote and does a hiki-kote agains his men. This is truley amazing. XD
korea and japan follow china... BULLSHIT aight you got to say china is fallin behind in everything today all we use china for now is outsourcing and usin cheap labor.
we honestly cant believe japan... they insist that they japan had nothing to do with the massacre/rape of nanking in china (im korean btw) and somebody from korea could've came up with the idea of bamboo swords maybe and japan stole the idea and killed the dude.. only GOD knows
hey toyer87, actually its the japanese fualt that forced korean to have the same trdition as them becuase a long time ago japan koncured korea and tried to force them to be japanese, so that means they didnt really copy japs.
Funny. You should definitely read up on your history. China and Korea had influenced Japan in so many aspects. During the Jomon Period, Koreans actually helped Japan create their culture. You think chopsticks came from japan? Or Buddhism? Or the Chinese/Korean architecture?
Not to mention, Koreans and Japanese are genetically related. Japanese people are basically Jomon mixed with Yayoi(proto-koreans). We're the only 2 peoples on the planet that carry a specific y-chromosome, which no other race has. So now, are we that different from Korea?
Your claim has nothing to do with sports. Judo got more worldwide popular because foreign judokas got improved as well as japanese so that japan cannot dominate at international competitions anymore. If you want kendo to be more popular, kendokas from the rest of the world whould beat up japanese sometimes like this 13th WC team match. For the same reason, I hope japanese taekwondo players can win gold medals at Olympics sooner or later. Dont be narrow-minded and grow up.
well, you and your dad are wrong. koreans don't think they made up kendo. i'm korean and i know that. but japanese people think they made everything up too. for ex: korean pottery. everyone thinks that it's japanese because japan took it along with every other good thing in korea. i have nothing against japanese people now because i have a lot of cool japanese friends. but dude, that's really disrespectful.
wow u watched a chinese documentry think of wat u just said CHINESE.... and pottery can come from anywhere... aight its a culture thing. not a specefic area... the next thing ur goin to say is language is made by the chinese too....
I just dont want it to start a trend, where all the different countries start to wear differnt colors. That would realy suck ballz, cuz then kendo would be just some cheezy sport.
if u go to the championship and sit in bad seats.. and have bad eyes.. its hard for me to spot which team is playing which.. but i like how the koreans stand out.. cos u prepare urself to some entertainment ^^ btw i am korean.. so i like to know when my country plays.. and by the sounds of it i assume ur korean.. so be proud to stand out ^^ easier to spot in comps ^^
im korean too and actually it's nothing to be proud of y'know.. koreans wear the white hakama cuz the Korean Kendo Association asserts that Kendo is a Korean sport... now everyone knows that it's japanese, but i think the koreans don't give in becuz of their general hatred towards japan..
well i guess it's pretty even though cuz japan sort of hates korea too, and they put a traditional korean song, arirang, in their memoirs of a geisha sound tracks as if it's japanese. all my friends who bought the sound track thinks the song is japanese, and it just infuriates me.
wow, are you serious? they put arirang on the soundtrack? well, memoirs of a geisha had cast members who were chinese and korean so i'm not surprised.
noone really knows who created kendo, it existed in Korea centuries ago, but it wasnt considered a sport. Japan developed it and made it into one. So there is a on going conflict between who the sport actually belongs.
Actually, Kendo was brought to Korea during Japan's occupation. Korea of course had its own various styles of swordsmanship, but the sport of Kendo did originate in Japan.
Yes, they did have something called "kumdo", but no, it didn't look like what is meant by the modern term "kendo", which happens to be purely Japanese in origin. The way of the sword existed in hundreds of countries, but this form, with bogu, shinai, and the system of striking specifically at certain points, is Japanese. I'm talking about the sport of Kendo only, not swordsmanship or the general phrase "the way of the sword".
That's what I mean. The sport of kendo is Japanese. Not the old swordsmanship styles. And I know about the three kingdom era. I've even seen the variety of weapons Korea has created and used throughout the centuries in the Korean War Museum. (Many are weapons taken from Japan and Chinai -go figure) But Kendo, the sport, is Japanese, and it was introduced to Korea in the occupation.
If you remember though, the first swords used in Japan were straight. The Japanese engineered the curve later on, making their own type of sword. Hence "Nihon-to". And yeah, pretty much everything in Japan and Korea came from China in the first place, but what I'm saying is that both countries developed their own distinct martial arts, weapons, and now, sports. As far as I can remember, Japan got most of their first swords from China, since it was considered the pinnacle of civilization.
Please read up on your history. I guess you forgot that Korea used China's political systems, philosophies, writing system (even after Hangul was developed they used it. They still use it -Hanja -to this day, just like Japan uses Kanji) and weaponry. All countries around China except for India and a few others passed the Himalayas used China's developments. Japanese people are of Korean Decent, but they modeled themselves after China. Don't misunderstand me, I love Korea, but Japan is Japan.
The Muye dobo tongji its self said that the only martial discipline recognized in Korea until the 13th century was archery. So you can't say that Kendo comes from Korea. If you study Daehan Kumdo, you learn Bonguk gumbub, which comes from the silla dynasty, but doesn't really resemble anything like modern Kendo. Modern Kendo comes from the edo period in Japan, which was a time when Samurai rarely engaged in battle also. So it is rather moot to argue where this stuff comes from.
Kendo is a japanese sport- Kumdo is Korean, their so closely interwined and alike because;
1.Samuari were of korean descent, so the original sword style were the same. 2.Korea was occupied by Japan, so they made Kumdo similar to kendo. 3. Kumdo tends to teach somethings learned in Kendo, and somethings of korean decent (like chosunse-bub).
In general, Kendo and Kumdo are two different things but they are so similar that they interact like this
Daehan Kumdo is kendo. The only difference is the addition of a traditional poomsae, other than that they are identical. Stop deluding yourself. The thing on this video is Japanese. Most Koreans who practice this readily accept that. Another widely practiced Kumdo in Korea these days is called Haedong Kumdo, which is pretty much Korean or Chinese, but it isn't really a combative sport, more cutting bamboo and large pieces of paper. Its demonstrations are like Iaido.
茶番。
日本の方が数倍強い。
yumidamasi 8 months ago
i would say somthing but all the other comments really just summarize it up, btw im korean
edwardchoi22 1 year ago
On a side note,
After Japan, Korea has the longest history with modern Kendo, due to its former status as Japan's colony.
Sure, its called Kumdo there, but with the exception of some etiquette and practice routines (and some unbelievable revisionist origins history in some ultranationalist circles), it is the same damn thing; It has stayed fairly consistent with Kendo, which is why the International Federation of Kendo allows Team Korea to participate in the WKC in the first place.
kraygbassist 2 years ago
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Pride: 1) Japan revising its history texts to make light of their atrocities in the occupations of Korea and China. 2) South Korea perpetuating hateful propaganda against China and Japan, always fueling uncalled-for animosity against the two. 3) China, trying to illogically incorporate Korea into its ancient history, and also spreading unnecessarily hateful propaganda against Japan for crimes against its people (which still happened), when it can't even properly care for its own people.
kraygbassist 2 years ago
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kraygbassist 2 years ago
While we must remember history so as not to repeat its horrors , we, as the inheritors of the future, must not manipulate the past to only perpetuate more hate.
What good will more war and hate do for anyone anyways? "Make amends and move on..." Not as easy as it sounds, I know, but it is because pride gets in the way. NOTHING ELSE.
kraygbassist 2 years ago
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kraygbassist 2 years ago
And Team Korea won this title fair and square. The referees, all esteemed figures in Kendo, no doubt, have deemed them worthy of this honor.
kraygbassist 2 years ago
whoops, posted this under my friend's account by accident, sorry buddy
Anyways, what I was saying...
One of kendo's main overarching purposes is to promote friendship between its participants. All you China/Japan/Korea haters have no right to sully this beautiful art with your ill-informed, uneducated bs.
If you hate on any of its participants, then you hate on the art. Practice some kendo, and either you'll respect its qualities or hate it as it defies the very core of your despicable self.
kraygbassist 2 years ago
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drknpoet0921 2 years ago
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hongjae79 2 years ago
if yall were the real champs... yalls shoulda of beaten the koreans you dumbass
dwaxs84265 2 years ago
Korean taisho is fuckin good
Clean hit to muri
dnjswns91 2 years ago
I think that 손목 was much better ㅋㅋㅋ
ubersaladin 2 years ago
Who is the USA taisho here?
Does anyone know the order of USA's 13th wkc roster?
I know members who were in there but besides C.Yang Sensei, I can't really tell who is who, oh and the nito kenshi (I forgot his name)
xlargekimchi 3 years ago
glad Korea finally broker throught and finished on the top. this is a great art/sport. I'm really getting into it.
one other note: our father's generation hold a lot of bitterness towards their neighbors: koreans towards chinese. chinese towards koreans. chinese and koreans and the rest of asia towards japan...etc..
it doesn't matter anymore. let it rest. let's move forward.
nypchung 3 years ago 4
It is also moot to ague the origins of sword martial arts in Japan and Korea for another reason. The only international samurai war that was ever fought was the Imjin war where Hideoshi invaded Korea. It is worth noting that the most devestating weapons during this war were guns, cannons, and f lamming gun powder arrows. I live in Jinju, Korea, where Korea actually mounted a strong defense. The museum here has Korean swords, the hilts on the swords only have room for one hand, unlike katanas.
3gyupsal 3 years ago
so who won? Don't get it the whole time, and no I'm not professional kendoka whatsoever...
siddharthaananda 3 years ago
damn...that taisho from korea was my master..
i was like one of the very first ones to join his school.
i remember i followed him to SBS national Kendo championship
it was like more than 10 years ago
hahah now i feel really proud of myself.. just for being one of his studnets
plusalpha3 4 years ago 3
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KrisK8614 3 years ago
KrisK... taisho simply indicates the last person on the line of the team... so plusalpha3 was correct when he referred to "taisho from Korea"
xlargekimchi 3 years ago
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no 1 givs a shyt raymasaki
face the facts lad, evrythink in china is shyt-u go 2 anybudy an mention china theyll say shyt shyt shyt shyt shyt shyt
name one thing china has made in the last decade which hasnt broken apart in the first 10 minutes of buying the dam product huh
an kendo is korean u stupid chink luk it up u arse whipe.
pointer3567 4 years ago
Kendo is actually Japanese. Kumdo is Korean
moshman1000 4 years ago 4
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What the hell is this shit???? Korea seems to become Champion at this competition but who gives a SHIT? Japan and Korea copied China about everything and now they are desperate to hid the fact! POND SCUM!
nankingnever4get 4 years ago
wow. can you say "racist"?
moshman1000 4 years ago 2
fuck china hahaha
undertheinfluence88 3 years ago
lol
KrisK8614 3 years ago
ok, first of all, the points the korean scored were amazing. Marvin Kawabata is known for his kote-men...look at the 57 second mark when marvin throws his kote-men. The korean steps back on the kote and does a hiki-kote agains his men. This is truley amazing. XD
hcwrestler2010 4 years ago
korea and japan copy china
kachondo 4 years ago
korea and japan follow china... BULLSHIT aight you got to say china is fallin behind in everything today all we use china for now is outsourcing and usin cheap labor.
aznbladze3 4 years ago
pretty rough said but it's the truth it's sad what happend to china :D but i don't like the country. No I'm not a racist
Nekashi 4 years ago
youtube has become the worlds forum, everyone who has something to complain about finds a relative video and starts shit.
ClarityReview 4 years ago
What was the crowd chanting at the end of the video?
TheFryBoy1 5 years ago
Dae Han Min guk. if you look at any of the soccer clips with koreans, thats what they shout. it means great republic of korea.
mango012 5 years ago
The Korea captain Jeong-Guk Kim, who delivered the decisive head strike on this footage, is 41 years old!!!! Amazing!!!
btnikk 5 years ago
we honestly cant believe japan... they insist that they japan had nothing to do with the massacre/rape of nanking in china (im korean btw) and somebody from korea could've came up with the idea of bamboo swords maybe and japan stole the idea and killed the dude.. only GOD knows
HeroOfXanadus 5 years ago
hey toyer87, actually its the japanese fualt that forced korean to have the same trdition as them becuase a long time ago japan koncured korea and tried to force them to be japanese, so that means they didnt really copy japs.
kpkopo 5 years ago
toyer87 made a good point. iono, that's all i wanted to say... haha
jumbobrownie 5 years ago
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im japanese and me and my dad seriously think that koreans just copy eveything from japan and act like they made it themselves
aznpee 5 years ago
Funny. You should definitely read up on your history. China and Korea had influenced Japan in so many aspects. During the Jomon Period, Koreans actually helped Japan create their culture. You think chopsticks came from japan? Or Buddhism? Or the Chinese/Korean architecture?
hayashimsan 5 years ago 2
Not to mention, Koreans and Japanese are genetically related. Japanese people are basically Jomon mixed with Yayoi(proto-koreans). We're the only 2 peoples on the planet that carry a specific y-chromosome, which no other race has. So now, are we that different from Korea?
hayashimsan 5 years ago 2
Your claim has nothing to do with sports. Judo got more worldwide popular because foreign judokas got improved as well as japanese so that japan cannot dominate at international competitions anymore. If you want kendo to be more popular, kendokas from the rest of the world whould beat up japanese sometimes like this 13th WC team match. For the same reason, I hope japanese taekwondo players can win gold medals at Olympics sooner or later. Dont be narrow-minded and grow up.
btnikk 5 years ago 3
well, you and your dad are wrong. koreans don't think they made up kendo. i'm korean and i know that. but japanese people think they made everything up too. for ex: korean pottery. everyone thinks that it's japanese because japan took it along with every other good thing in korea. i have nothing against japanese people now because i have a lot of cool japanese friends. but dude, that's really disrespectful.
mango012 5 years ago
ive seen Chinese documentries & it states
that China invented/porcline, Pottery, tea,gunpowder
Raymasaki 4 years ago
wow u watched a chinese documentry think of wat u just said CHINESE.... and pottery can come from anywhere... aight its a culture thing. not a specefic area... the next thing ur goin to say is language is made by the chinese too....
aznbladze3 4 years ago
i was stated a fact alot of things were invented in China.
Language? yeah mandarin , Cantonese &
several other dialects. 2 from mongolia
Raymasaki 4 years ago
dude... language as in the whole thing was not made in china... each is an own creation...
aznbladze3 4 years ago
i was talking about Chinese languages.
as far as humans talking / language
your getting WAY to crazy about this
give it up kid.
Raymasaki 4 years ago
kkkk dae han min guk!!! korena kumdo team has red devils now lolol
blongo 5 years ago
I just dont want it to start a trend, where all the different countries start to wear differnt colors. That would realy suck ballz, cuz then kendo would be just some cheezy sport.
kendoka1 5 years ago
It's only a matter of time before Team US takes WKC championship!!!
samsuh111 5 years ago
lol Team US? -- anywayss.. korean hakamas look so nice
d7p2 5 years ago
i don't like korean uniform. y do we have to be so different -.-
bluealbedo 5 years ago
if u go to the championship and sit in bad seats.. and have bad eyes.. its hard for me to spot which team is playing which.. but i like how the koreans stand out.. cos u prepare urself to some entertainment ^^ btw i am korean.. so i like to know when my country plays.. and by the sounds of it i assume ur korean.. so be proud to stand out ^^ easier to spot in comps ^^
DeMikez 5 years ago
well, aside from standing out, I personally think dark gi and hakama looks better... imo.
bluealbedo 5 years ago
im korean too and actually it's nothing to be proud of y'know.. koreans wear the white hakama cuz the Korean Kendo Association asserts that Kendo is a Korean sport... now everyone knows that it's japanese, but i think the koreans don't give in becuz of their general hatred towards japan..
toyer87 5 years ago
well i guess it's pretty even though cuz japan sort of hates korea too, and they put a traditional korean song, arirang, in their memoirs of a geisha sound tracks as if it's japanese. all my friends who bought the sound track thinks the song is japanese, and it just infuriates me.
toyer87 5 years ago
wow, are you serious? they put arirang on the soundtrack? well, memoirs of a geisha had cast members who were chinese and korean so i'm not surprised.
mango012 5 years ago
which song is it? thanks in advance
mango012 5 years ago
noone really knows who created kendo, it existed in Korea centuries ago, but it wasnt considered a sport. Japan developed it and made it into one. So there is a on going conflict between who the sport actually belongs.
xjhs2007 4 years ago
Actually, Kendo was brought to Korea during Japan's occupation. Korea of course had its own various styles of swordsmanship, but the sport of Kendo did originate in Japan.
Shinsengumi77 3 years ago
no not really because every country in the medieval era had a 'way of sword' so Koreans had Kumdo in the medieval era.
KrisK8614 3 years ago
Yes, they did have something called "kumdo", but no, it didn't look like what is meant by the modern term "kendo", which happens to be purely Japanese in origin. The way of the sword existed in hundreds of countries, but this form, with bogu, shinai, and the system of striking specifically at certain points, is Japanese. I'm talking about the sport of Kendo only, not swordsmanship or the general phrase "the way of the sword".
Shinsengumi77 3 years ago
no Kendo bogus are mordern invention made for sport. and Korea also used to have shinai during the three kingdom era (Silla,Bekjae and Goguryeo)
KrisK8614 3 years ago
That's what I mean. The sport of kendo is Japanese. Not the old swordsmanship styles. And I know about the three kingdom era. I've even seen the variety of weapons Korea has created and used throughout the centuries in the Korean War Museum. (Many are weapons taken from Japan and Chinai -go figure) But Kendo, the sport, is Japanese, and it was introduced to Korea in the occupation.
Shinsengumi77 3 years ago
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KrisK8614 3 years ago
If you remember though, the first swords used in Japan were straight. The Japanese engineered the curve later on, making their own type of sword. Hence "Nihon-to". And yeah, pretty much everything in Japan and Korea came from China in the first place, but what I'm saying is that both countries developed their own distinct martial arts, weapons, and now, sports. As far as I can remember, Japan got most of their first swords from China, since it was considered the pinnacle of civilization.
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KrisK8614 3 years ago
Please read up on your history. I guess you forgot that Korea used China's political systems, philosophies, writing system (even after Hangul was developed they used it. They still use it -Hanja -to this day, just like Japan uses Kanji) and weaponry. All countries around China except for India and a few others passed the Himalayas used China's developments. Japanese people are of Korean Decent, but they modeled themselves after China. Don't misunderstand me, I love Korea, but Japan is Japan.
Shinsengumi77 3 years ago
The Muye dobo tongji its self said that the only martial discipline recognized in Korea until the 13th century was archery. So you can't say that Kendo comes from Korea. If you study Daehan Kumdo, you learn Bonguk gumbub, which comes from the silla dynasty, but doesn't really resemble anything like modern Kendo. Modern Kendo comes from the edo period in Japan, which was a time when Samurai rarely engaged in battle also. So it is rather moot to argue where this stuff comes from.
3gyupsal 3 years ago
Kendo is a japanese sport- Kumdo is Korean, their so closely interwined and alike because;
1.Samuari were of korean descent, so the original sword style were the same. 2.Korea was occupied by Japan, so they made Kumdo similar to kendo. 3. Kumdo tends to teach somethings learned in Kendo, and somethings of korean decent (like chosunse-bub).
In general, Kendo and Kumdo are two different things but they are so similar that they interact like this
aqumiya 3 years ago
Daehan Kumdo is kendo. The only difference is the addition of a traditional poomsae, other than that they are identical. Stop deluding yourself. The thing on this video is Japanese. Most Koreans who practice this readily accept that. Another widely practiced Kumdo in Korea these days is called Haedong Kumdo, which is pretty much Korean or Chinese, but it isn't really a combative sport, more cutting bamboo and large pieces of paper. Its demonstrations are like Iaido.
3gyupsal 3 years ago
cuz we are koreans!!!
i think we also have team dos
tenken1013 5 years ago
Both Hiki kote and hiki men were just answome!
thyaguh 5 years ago
DAEE HAN MIN GOOK!!! im very proud to be a korean =]
HeroOfXanadus 5 years ago