I raced an older turbo Eclipse in my 2001 Mustang GT, and boy was I impressed. Stock, he wouldn't take me, but he was running higher boost and plenty of bolts on's. I'm running nearly 300hp and the wheels and this guy took me by a car length! Impressive.
@braceyoself777 you are a moron for even asking what a probe was and calling someone ignorant for an obviously smart question cuz the last year they were made was 97.....soooooo...... go play on your civic forums kid. im rockin my 94 GT and shes pretty even with my buddy's 04 Mustang GT.
@chazasaurus88 I know exactly what a probe is you f-tard. The comment is reference to that the car doesn't even exist anymore. If the car was so great, it would be in production still. I don't care if you 94 POS can keep up with an 04 Mustang GT. I don't drive a civic and I can care less how fast your POS bucket can go...theres always something faster out there. I have a life....something you don't have.
@braceyoself777 Im the one with no life? But you the one going on youtube lookin at car you dont even like and trolling on the video.... Probe lovers lets say it together.......FAIL!!!
@braceyoself777 not saying the probe is any good, i hate probes, they are pretty gay IMO. but you said "if the car was so great, it would be in production still"... not true, supra is one of the greatest cars in the world, its not in production, rx-7 isnt in production either. were they not great cars? just saying.
@juechter true that lol. i drove an auto 93 not of my own choice i had to deal with parents decisions on cars then lol. it got 33 mpg and had a great stereo, handled decent and was comfortable to drive. the downside was the auto trannies were garbage and i got shit for driving a car called a probe lol. it was a decent car but it was pretty lame. everything comes to an end even it was amazing. except seemingly the mustang and corvette lol
hey moron..you do realize eclipses where made in the us right? pull your penis out of your sister and use google..you might learn something you inbred hick
@miniimoto95 a 1g DSM turbo DSM can be found running in the 1k range. I almost bought one for 1300 that was AWD, clean body / exterior.. was auto though and only had some minor oil leaks. I've seen many of them though just around the 1500 range in overall good running shape. They're really cheap, and in any case have a way better aftermarket than probes.
quit all ur bitching!!! its what u bring to the table when u race, if he knew he was gonna lose then maybe he shoulda brought a lambo u fucks!!! jus enjoy the damn vids an quit sayin what if it was swapped with this an that.... an no shit this dude can't drive why do u think he's on youtube an not NASCAR!!!! same as me im a average guy myself but some of u r gettin over urselves.
did the probe have a klze swapped motor? cuz i bet the race would have been different if it was a turbo klze vs. gs-t (btw im not a probe fanboy nor do i own one)
DSMs (eclipse90-99 eagle talon 90-98? plymouth laser 90-94) have crazy potential. When they first came out as a 90 model year, a turbo I4 AWD car was rare, a I4 car with 200+ hp was very rare but now they're cheap to buy and build
14b is DSM 1g stock turbo... 2nd gen is T25... a little smaller. My stock 2g went 14.0@97 with free mods and a K&N. I miss sport compacts that run. Im thinking of selling my 98 GT with PI swap for something else. Buddies trying to talk me into a 96 PGT (Probe GT V6). His has a nice turbo kit, and Mega Squirt... Does 12.70's... Which is what my GT would run with cams... I think I may go back to DSMs... something about a 4g63... You just dont feel vulnerable with that ride!
Do I have an eclipse?? Check the video responses.... your a dumbass. Just cuz your 14b spools a little quicker (than t25)you think your faster? No cuz now you have no top end with your $60 14year old turbo.
t25 are shit...i replaced my t25 with a 60 dollar 14b at the same psi 12 stock...i am way faster than before....thatthnigg....you sure you have an eclipse....and there is no such thing as a mhi evo3 BIG 16g turbo...its either the real evo3 16g or some off brang big 16g...lol
yea (2g) gst's come stock with t25's which are bettr than (1g) 14b's. I use to have a 1997 2G with a MHI BIG16G, fmic and hardpipes including intake....I beat S2k's, 08 Si's anything with less than 300hp was easy with an automatic DSM.
did you just say a t25 is better than a 14b? Are you dumb, or just full of shit. Why would 2g owners upgrade to a 14b wich is bigger and hold more boost presure than the t25? Maybe beacuse the 14b makes a hell of alot more power
it holds more boost but not a significant amount...why would i use a 1991 turbo to "upgrade" my 1997 turbo. obviously most of the 14b's u find are blown or on the way. I wouldnt get a 14b for 4 more pounds of boost. Id do like I did, spend 600 and get a brand new MHI Big 16G.
And thats not all base numbers those are max outputs...a stock 14b on normal boost is garbage. thats my main point. Its stock psi is what 7-9lbs. correct mi when im wrong. a stock 2g with a T25 on stock psi will beat a 1g with a 14B on stock psi.
A 14b has a flow rate of 405 cfm while a t25 flows at 325 cfm. The "big" 16G flows at 525 cfm. A "Big" Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 16G is the same turbo that came on the Evo I and II's with a TD05H compressor housing (instead of a TD05 in a "small" 16G). Just throwing in some history :)
Considering you can grab a 14B in good condition for $50 and a rebuild kit for another $50, you can spend 1/6 of the price to get a nice upgrade from the t25.
Nice clean dsm...I use to have a probe..it looked cool but they are a joke...no performance unless you have a older turbo..dollar for dollar, you cant beat the 4g63 for most hp for your buck
Yeah...but the f2t is also making less hp and torque factory...but again the probe is alot cheaper car....but i have raced a gst in my probe f2t and i was right next to him the entire time...and all i have is exhaust, intake, and a manual boost controller...i give both credit
It might be that...but you have to spend about 3 times the money to have the eclipse then you do the probe...and the probe kept right up is all i am saying...the f2t probes move...i am not saying anything bad about gst's i am just saying the probe for the money is very fast...but i agree gst's move to
also if you read the description the eclipse is still running the stock turbo at 9 psi and the probe is running 10 psi and the gst still walked off and left the probe.
for one thats a 1st gen probe probably has 200,000+ miles and is running only 7 pounds at most while u all r saying the gst is only running 9! if i put a turbo on my 94 gt i would beat that gst by 3 car lengths atleast. bought car for 800 at auction and 2000 at most for turbo and instal..thats 2800 dollar car smoking a car more than double the price.which rly i would beat it stock but turboed it would just make the eclipse look like a slow turd
The F2T's are no joke. Unfortunately, the stock ECU has boost cut at 11PSI. My buddy has a 1G mx-6 GT (same as probe) with 76,000 miles on it that he got for $1800.
I bought my GST for $600, swapped the engine into a talon shell I bought for $50. I have a TD06 20G, DNP Manifold, Apexi turbo-back, Greddy Profec B-Spec, Apexi S/AFC-II, Type-S BOV, Stage I clutch, Walbro 255, 680cc injectors, and much more including body parts, a crossmember, a rad support, etc...
@ojd1990 dsms in honesty are one of the more reliable boosted cars.
When you start modding, unless tuned perfectly and every mod done 100% right, it's going to start causing issues. People seem to miss the fact that completely stock DSM's are RELIABLE as hell and get 30+ mpg.
Seriously, the ONLY thing that ever is known for going out on stock DSM's is the stock clutch, if its being driven hard.
People are stupid when they beat the shit out of a 10-20 year old DSM and get mad when it breaks.
Wow! My DSM has never broken down. Maybe you just don't take care of it. I'm not saying mine is some monster but I take care of it and have no problems. Plus it's my DD.
Ok...i would NEVER, i repeat, NEVER buy any 1st or second gen DSM. Simple fact, they are cheap to make fast, but you get what you pay for. You spend just as much time fixing them. I have 5 friends that have owned them. They all broke and 3 of them were BONE stock! i mean BONE stock. They break. POINT MADE :)
@Centralia62801 umm why the hell would you sell a car as fast as a probe??
this guy just cant drive in fact ive never heard someone drive a probe as good as i have, they shift too eirly and they arent flooing it right off the shift
dude..... i have a KLG4 2000 626 es.. I have NEVER lost to a GSX! im N/A with ZE pistons, ZE camshafts, and timing gears, upgraded electric fuel injection, and a weapon R CAI.. how da Fuck did a turbo KL engine probe lose to a fuckin eclipse??? (shame on you dude)
You have timing gears? Please explain, cause it is highly unlikely that you have those. Upgraded electronic fuel injection..again explain. The Probe in the video is a 1st gen, not a KL car!
91 GSX here 16G, intake, exhaust, FMIC, too poor for DSMlink so I have SAFCll. Then 550cc injectors. More coming this year when I can spare money. lol
And it wont last much longer. The only way to to make them any good is to take the 1g block and put the 2g head on them .That is a prover fact. Guarantee it doesnt last. Unless its an auto. They seem to be the only ones that last. And Proven fact, the fastes street DSM is an AUTO!. Heres some advice, sell it!
actually, your right, i havent and really dnt care. And im sure you heard of them by mouth and that you are on YouTube all the time looking for new videos of them. Point being, DSM's break. And Mechanic will tell you that. If you want a reliable fast car. Get a Maxima w/ the VQ30DE.
all cars break at a certain point man.. i bet you heard dsms break by word of mouth as well.. i have a 2.4 7 bolt dohc swapped and turboed in my 96 galant(same as a 2g) and its been running mint with no issues cuz it is taken care off.. i see planty of shitty and SLOW maximas cuz they have been dishonored by the owners, same as with many other car owners
Most people don't upgrade surrounding drive train parts to take the extra power. I have never had a rod knock or anything of the sort and i run my car hard that why i got it because its cheap to go fast.
the 1g block is so you can get more power out of them. it has nothing to do with reliability. i have 2 95s and they both run fine all you have to do is take care of them and not dog them out.
u mean 6 bolt not 1g block as the 92 1/2 and up t/e/ls all had 7 bolts, and they CAN all crankwalk and it has been done, and if you dont beat on it they will last you
6 bolts have a bigger bore to them thats why most do the swap cause its cheaper than having it ported. i prefer the 7 bolt myself. i used to have gst now i have a rs with the motor completely rebuilt with a hahn stage 2 turbo kit.
The bore and the stroke are the same. But the 2g rod is not as thick as a 1g rod. The crank of course is different. But 7 bolts are still good motors.
Also, alot of the parts under the probes hood are mitsubishi too. Check out the cruise control module or the alternator for instance. my 89pgt is almost like a franken car! but I still love it to bits.
Ford owns stock in Mazda. They worked a join project in the late 80s to design and build the Probes, which shares many parts with the MX-6, and 626 mostly. It also derived it's ehadlights from the 80's rx-7.
I guess low 12's for a daily driver running at 15psi isn't fast? Don't come to me with personal attacks when I was just responding to another comment. I didn't feel like listing everything done to my car... what would you consider "fast"? And what does you vehicle run?
by the way, KL is whats stamped on the block.. Not ford.. On probes, the Valve cover says ford, and ONLY on teh Vlave cover.. Its funny as the probe shares its chassis with 3 count them 1 2 3 MAZDA vehicles.. How many do they share by ford?
NON.. Mazda made drivetrain, mazda ecu mazda suspesion.. If you cant search google .. I am done
yes i am an idiot DAZEMS mazda has no correlation with ford.. you are right i am an idiot imbecile.. my dad doesnt work for ford/mazda or nething. but i am a fucking idiot douche i know
Ford owns rights to mazda, but does not design or MAKE there cars.I have been a tuner for the past 10 years of mazdas. and when I have to "special order" my parts from ford and they come back saying " Made by Mazda Manufacturing company of JAPAN", sends a message doesnt it. I order 99% of my parts from mazda for my "FORD". I ALSO happen to have a very early 93 probe gt that happens to have a MANUFACTURED by MAZDA OF JAPAN for FORD vin sticker.
? I purchased my first car before I had my lisence to learn about cars on my own/ with friends... I am a "tuner" not a technician... And over the past 10 soon to be 11 years, i have done more research on that car then you have in any of these stupid responses you have left.. Seacrest OUT!
U R an idiot!!! if you raise the hood of any mazda mx6 it would say mazda. the only way it says ford is if someone swapped a new motor in and it came from a probe. i have an mx6 and it says mazda. probe has a mazda motor. other fords that have mazda motors in them are escort, tracer, ranger, fusion and escape. go do some research because it shows you know nothing about mazda and ford.
My car was also produced in September 92 as a demo car for the ford lot.. BY MAZDA before it was even produced in the states... Im done respond with you BS all you want I
you said youve been a tuner for them for 10yrs. yet your age on ur profile is 25 so that means you started when you were 15. so in what time did you take classes to become a tuner. i m lost here dazems.. you must have been a technician at lik e13 damnnn
Ford took out all the good stuff on the probe and the Escort gt... Originally the Probe has a Fe3 engine 2.0 that can handle up to 20psi and the Escort GT originally was a AWD turbo beast name Ford laser Kh.. so yeah bash as much as you want on ford .. we dont really care
you are an idiot ford innovated how cars were made with the assembly line you jackass..
i have an eclipse its a 2001 and it sucks.. if you look online theres all different types of sights where ppl complain about how horrible mitsubishis are new off the lot.. stock they have alot of troubles.. put turbo in it and it gets worse.. you are an idiot for the ford as has no innovation.. mitsubishi uses there method to produce there cars fool
i bought this car as a show car not a performance car.. if i wanted performance i would have bought a twin turbo z32tt
i didnt fuck up at all.. and im sure your 97 gst is a nice ride. i love the 2g. ive owned one myself. i think svts are nice as well.. and im sure there some svts out there that would "rape" ur gst. (i dont know how a car could penetrate against the will of another car)
the probe got probed
Jx1x3 4 months ago
Keep it on the track, idiots.
spoonerdee 5 months ago
DSM ftw.
pickmelter38 6 months ago
I raced an older turbo Eclipse in my 2001 Mustang GT, and boy was I impressed. Stock, he wouldn't take me, but he was running higher boost and plenty of bolts on's. I'm running nearly 300hp and the wheels and this guy took me by a car length! Impressive.
akirasovan 9 months ago
WTF is a probe?!?!!?
braceyoself777 9 months ago
@braceyoself777 a ford buddy..
yamaha027 9 months ago
@yamaha027 thank you
braceyoself777 8 months ago
@braceyoself777 really? you must have been born after 1998.
sabol01 8 months ago
@sabol01 only someone ignorant like you would make that comment. Retard.
braceyoself777 8 months ago
@braceyoself777 you are a moron for even asking what a probe was and calling someone ignorant for an obviously smart question cuz the last year they were made was 97.....soooooo...... go play on your civic forums kid. im rockin my 94 GT and shes pretty even with my buddy's 04 Mustang GT.
chazasaurus88 8 months ago
@chazasaurus88 I know exactly what a probe is you f-tard. The comment is reference to that the car doesn't even exist anymore. If the car was so great, it would be in production still. I don't care if you 94 POS can keep up with an 04 Mustang GT. I don't drive a civic and I can care less how fast your POS bucket can go...theres always something faster out there. I have a life....something you don't have.
braceyoself777 8 months ago
@braceyoself777 Im the one with no life? But you the one going on youtube lookin at car you dont even like and trolling on the video.... Probe lovers lets say it together.......FAIL!!!
chazasaurus88 8 months ago
@braceyoself777 not saying the probe is any good, i hate probes, they are pretty gay IMO. but you said "if the car was so great, it would be in production still"... not true, supra is one of the greatest cars in the world, its not in production, rx-7 isnt in production either. were they not great cars? just saying.
juechter 7 months ago
@juechter true that lol. i drove an auto 93 not of my own choice i had to deal with parents decisions on cars then lol. it got 33 mpg and had a great stereo, handled decent and was comfortable to drive. the downside was the auto trannies were garbage and i got shit for driving a car called a probe lol. it was a decent car but it was pretty lame. everything comes to an end even it was amazing. except seemingly the mustang and corvette lol
wtfyourafuckindoosh 7 months ago
@sabol01 I was born in 1985 and I'm a Fire fighter for Los Angeles County.
braceyoself777 8 months ago
fuck an eclipse. they"re a shitty excuse for a car. american-made for ever. that eclipse wont look so fast beside a 2000 contour svt twin turbo...
YOPTJ 1 year ago
@YOPTJ
hey moron..you do realize eclipses where made in the us right? pull your penis out of your sister and use google..you might learn something you inbred hick
95300whptalon 11 months ago
hmm, DSM > probe..... but probe 1/4 the price of DSM... hmmm, i think i should get one to beat the piss out of.
miniimoto95 1 year ago
@miniimoto95 a 1g DSM turbo DSM can be found running in the 1k range. I almost bought one for 1300 that was AWD, clean body / exterior.. was auto though and only had some minor oil leaks. I've seen many of them though just around the 1500 range in overall good running shape. They're really cheap, and in any case have a way better aftermarket than probes.
Bbdrew 11 months ago
@Bbdrew damn, here a running 1g turbo goes for at least $2000, $800-1200 for a decent cond. N/T
miniimoto95 11 months ago
@miniimoto95 I usually have to look about 2-4 hours outside of my town but imo its worth it.
I sold my N/T daily driver dsm in great shape for only $850 even.
The 2g's are still way overpriced though
Bbdrew 11 months ago
Admit that american cars are shit...
Creativaaazzz 1 year ago
that ECLIPSE is CLEAN as HELL
DoubleR2007 1 year ago
EEEEAAAATTTTIIINNNNNN YOOOOOOUUUUUUUU, EAAAAAATTTTTTTTTIIIIIINNNN You, Fuck a probe, woo!
PSmooth81892 1 year ago
145hp proge vs 200hp dsm, put some better piston tops in that prob like 9.0:1 it should be much better!
98montecarloz34 1 year ago
I don't get it.. " probe gt stock turbo" ? but those don't come with turbo... it was added right?
drbos 1 year ago
@drbos the 1st gens did, the 2nd gens didnt
2point0L 1 year ago
Please somebody tell me if there are any 1989 Probe GT Twin turbo... and if they are how much do they cost... please answer me ASAP!!
GT5Player 1 year ago
quit all ur bitching!!! its what u bring to the table when u race, if he knew he was gonna lose then maybe he shoulda brought a lambo u fucks!!! jus enjoy the damn vids an quit sayin what if it was swapped with this an that.... an no shit this dude can't drive why do u think he's on youtube an not NASCAR!!!! same as me im a average guy myself but some of u r gettin over urselves.
rv12 1 year ago
@rv12 well said
lilmiss2sweet 1 year ago
did the probe have a klze swapped motor? cuz i bet the race would have been different if it was a turbo klze vs. gs-t (btw im not a probe fanboy nor do i own one)
sleepyboy915 1 year ago
how much for tht eclipse
Rasimbacko2 1 year ago
that eclipse was hella sexy for reals
thevenom06 1 year ago
Fords getting owned...classic
lsaruwatari 1 year ago
@BumbleBeeGS Yeah,.. Ok buddy.
redsamuraidragon 1 year ago
@BumbleBeeGS i figured if its pumping 14 psi. its not much to rag on a stock probe gt when your barely pulling on it in your modded car
FORDGTFANATIC 1 year ago
probes are wannabe imports
cccrazzykyle 1 year ago
@cccrazzykyle lol probes have mazda motors...
redsamuraidragon 1 year ago
@redsamuraidragon i think just the heads are from mazda
Hashraldo 1 year ago
@Hashraldo check wiki.
redsamuraidragon 1 year ago
@Hashraldo Mitsubishi made parts for them 2 lol
Toadphillips 1 year ago
whats a turbo?
nismostreet 1 year ago
why do ppl think probes are fast?
blazinloud 1 year ago
@blazinloud same reason ppl think civics are
lilmiss2sweet 1 year ago
@lilmiss2sweet why do people think an eclipse is fast?
FORDGTFANATIC 1 year ago
DSMs (eclipse90-99 eagle talon 90-98? plymouth laser 90-94) have crazy potential. When they first came out as a 90 model year, a turbo I4 AWD car was rare, a I4 car with 200+ hp was very rare but now they're cheap to buy and build
ojd1990 1 year ago
@ojd1990 Cheap to buy and build... not maintain.
aaronacj 1 year ago
@aaronacj
makes sense, parts are cheap but when you have to fix it all the time it gets spendy!
ojd1990 1 year ago
14b is DSM 1g stock turbo... 2nd gen is T25... a little smaller. My stock 2g went 14.0@97 with free mods and a K&N. I miss sport compacts that run. Im thinking of selling my 98 GT with PI swap for something else. Buddies trying to talk me into a 96 PGT (Probe GT V6). His has a nice turbo kit, and Mega Squirt... Does 12.70's... Which is what my GT would run with cams... I think I may go back to DSMs... something about a 4g63... You just dont feel vulnerable with that ride!
MrRobGT 1 year ago
wats 14b is that a short term for the einge wats 14b???
teleporter29 1 year ago
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whats better a automatic gst or stick gst?
same question for a gsx?
956mik 1 year ago
Do I have an eclipse?? Check the video responses.... your a dumbass. Just cuz your 14b spools a little quicker (than t25)you think your faster? No cuz now you have no top end with your $60 14year old turbo.
thathnigg 2 years ago
t25 are shit...i replaced my t25 with a 60 dollar 14b at the same psi 12 stock...i am way faster than before....thatthnigg....you sure you have an eclipse....and there is no such thing as a mhi evo3 BIG 16g turbo...its either the real evo3 16g or some off brang big 16g...lol
rathana17 2 years ago
dude MHI is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries they make the 16g, Big 16g, and the Evo III 16g.
DSMeclipsegst 2 years ago
hahaha t25 is NOT better than the 1g turbo
cotyscooter 2 years ago
yea (2g) gst's come stock with t25's which are bettr than (1g) 14b's. I use to have a 1997 2G with a MHI BIG16G, fmic and hardpipes including intake....I beat S2k's, 08 Si's anything with less than 300hp was easy with an automatic DSM.
thathnigg 2 years ago
did you just say a t25 is better than a 14b? Are you dumb, or just full of shit. Why would 2g owners upgrade to a 14b wich is bigger and hold more boost presure than the t25? Maybe beacuse the 14b makes a hell of alot more power
DSMDriver69 2 years ago
it holds more boost but not a significant amount...why would i use a 1991 turbo to "upgrade" my 1997 turbo. obviously most of the 14b's u find are blown or on the way. I wouldnt get a 14b for 4 more pounds of boost. Id do like I did, spend 600 and get a brand new MHI Big 16G.
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp@ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @24 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @24 psi
EvoIII 16G 385-420hp @ 25 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 25 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ 17 psi
thathnigg 2 years ago
And thats not all base numbers those are max outputs...a stock 14b on normal boost is garbage. thats my main point. Its stock psi is what 7-9lbs. correct mi when im wrong. a stock 2g with a T25 on stock psi will beat a 1g with a 14B on stock psi.
thathnigg 2 years ago
@thathnigg you sir are a retard, why would you put a 16g on your car that was originally off of an Evo 3? that's older than your 1997 turbo as well.
maxthetool 2 years ago
my friend did that. His car is fast as hell now. He has a GSX.
sleepisyummy 2 years ago
You really should not call anyone a retard with that comment you just made... Do some research before you talk shit noob.
92DSM 1 year ago
A 14b has a flow rate of 405 cfm while a t25 flows at 325 cfm. The "big" 16G flows at 525 cfm. A "Big" Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 16G is the same turbo that came on the Evo I and II's with a TD05H compressor housing (instead of a TD05 in a "small" 16G). Just throwing in some history :)
Considering you can grab a 14B in good condition for $50 and a rebuild kit for another $50, you can spend 1/6 of the price to get a nice upgrade from the t25.
I run a TD06 20G.
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
haha you're so dumb.
14b>t25
poetikplaya 2 years ago
@thathnigg t25s are shit compared to the 14b, try putting down 280whp on a T25 on a DSM without spray.
maxthetool 2 years ago
my probe will probe that probe
FordProbeYOU 2 years ago
ofc thats a first gen.
TVdinnerFTW 2 years ago
gay
corollamandx89 2 years ago
Nice clean dsm...I use to have a probe..it looked cool but they are a joke...no performance unless you have a older turbo..dollar for dollar, you cant beat the 4g63 for most hp for your buck
95300whptalon 2 years ago
Yeah...but the f2t is also making less hp and torque factory...but again the probe is alot cheaper car....but i have raced a gst in my probe f2t and i was right next to him the entire time...and all i have is exhaust, intake, and a manual boost controller...i give both credit
Pewf069 2 years ago
That eclipse most likely has atleast 3 times the money in it then the probe.....and the probe did a decent job keeping up!
Pewf069 2 years ago
that gst is still running factory exhaust and bov i highly doubt it has 3 times the money into it.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
It might be that...but you have to spend about 3 times the money to have the eclipse then you do the probe...and the probe kept right up is all i am saying...the f2t probes move...i am not saying anything bad about gst's i am just saying the probe for the money is very fast...but i agree gst's move to
Pewf069 2 years ago
also if you read the description the eclipse is still running the stock turbo at 9 psi and the probe is running 10 psi and the gst still walked off and left the probe.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
It isn't the stock turbo for the 2g.. The 14b comes stock on the manual 1g. The t-25 comes on the 2g's stock
dsm525 2 years ago
thats whats up! dsm!
HondoS2k 2 years ago
for one thats a 1st gen probe probably has 200,000+ miles and is running only 7 pounds at most while u all r saying the gst is only running 9! if i put a turbo on my 94 gt i would beat that gst by 3 car lengths atleast. bought car for 800 at auction and 2000 at most for turbo and instal..thats 2800 dollar car smoking a car more than double the price.which rly i would beat it stock but turboed it would just make the eclipse look like a slow turd
JTOwens89 2 years ago
The F2T's are no joke. Unfortunately, the stock ECU has boost cut at 11PSI. My buddy has a 1G mx-6 GT (same as probe) with 76,000 miles on it that he got for $1800.
I bought my GST for $600, swapped the engine into a talon shell I bought for $50. I have a TD06 20G, DNP Manifold, Apexi turbo-back, Greddy Profec B-Spec, Apexi S/AFC-II, Type-S BOV, Stage I clutch, Walbro 255, 680cc injectors, and much more including body parts, a crossmember, a rad support, etc...
I spent just over $1200.
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
you are fucking high. that gst would beat the shit out of your probe. my damn rs-t will destroy that shit.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
that 2g even had a stock muffler wow. that was a extra slow anal probe
gstboost30 2 years ago
DSM's get a lot of shit for breaking down a lot but the reality is that any old boosted car that's been run hard it's whole life will have problems.
ojd1990 2 years ago 23
Amen.
AdvanEvolution 2 years ago
@ojd1990 dsms in honesty are one of the more reliable boosted cars.
When you start modding, unless tuned perfectly and every mod done 100% right, it's going to start causing issues. People seem to miss the fact that completely stock DSM's are RELIABLE as hell and get 30+ mpg.
Seriously, the ONLY thing that ever is known for going out on stock DSM's is the stock clutch, if its being driven hard.
People are stupid when they beat the shit out of a 10-20 year old DSM and get mad when it breaks.
Bbdrew 1 year ago 18
@Bbdrew very true, my dsm is totally stock and she has 206,000 miles. I expect to get a lot more out of her.
WillyPhister 11 months ago 3
@Bbdrew most of the DSM haters are because of the STUPID ass DSM majority. they do not know how to tune
flskimskatesurf 10 months ago
@Bbdrew but they are no fun stock and are slow....
chainsawmanny 2 weeks ago
probes are gay and slow
hoodikov31 2 years ago
i'll bet you are too
97fordprobegts 2 years ago
lol!
duratec20HE 2 years ago
haha!
garrett6699 2 years ago
fords going to be the next car company to go under....have fun driving a bunkrupt company's v6 piece of shit
HarryCHAMBZ 2 years ago
you dont know jack shit, why dont you actually learn who is going bankrupt and who aint before you say anything you dumb piece of shit
bigegypt67 2 years ago
i have an 89 turbo probe with a mazada motor swap and aint no way im gettin beat by an eclipse lol ive already proved it to myself :)
SWATKIID 2 years ago
NICE! DSM=Wake up and fix your car :) MAZDA POWER ALL THE WAY!
Work0039 2 years ago
Wow probes are gay
jkonn7 2 years ago
you sir.... are an ASS!!!
TSK421 2 years ago
Anyone want to buy my 94 probe gt. I want an eclipse now.
Centralia62801 2 years ago 11
So it can sit in your driveway or yard and be broke over 60 percent of the time?
Might as well just call it a lawn ordiment
Work0039 2 years ago
Wow! My DSM has never broken down. Maybe you just don't take care of it. I'm not saying mine is some monster but I take care of it and have no problems. Plus it's my DD.
eklypss19 2 years ago
Ok...i would NEVER, i repeat, NEVER buy any 1st or second gen DSM. Simple fact, they are cheap to make fast, but you get what you pay for. You spend just as much time fixing them. I have 5 friends that have owned them. They all broke and 3 of them were BONE stock! i mean BONE stock. They break. POINT MADE :)
Work0039 2 years ago
Ha! I've had mine for over a year without any problems. It's called maintenance.
eklypss19 2 years ago
@Centralia62801 They are amazing man you wont want another car after u have one. HAPPY BOOSTING
DSMoverRicer91 1 year ago
@Centralia62801
instead of selling it invest in a turbocharger system and you dont want to settle for a GS-T, maybe the GSX might convince you tho :)
RigsPGT 1 year ago
@Centralia62801 i'll sell you mine....wrecked it yeesterday lol
xpunisherx456 1 year ago
@Centralia62801 umm why the hell would you sell a car as fast as a probe??
this guy just cant drive
nate959 1 year ago
@Centralia62801 umm why the hell would you sell a car as fast as a probe??
this guy just cant drive in fact ive never heard someone drive a probe as good as i have, they shift too eirly and they arent flooing it right off the shift
nate959 1 year ago
Thats sad b/c 9psi on a 14b is sloww. that prob must be realllly slow
Rockit181 2 years ago
Those were 18's on the Eclipse.
EYEspeedusa 2 years ago
dude..... i have a KLG4 2000 626 es.. I have NEVER lost to a GSX! im N/A with ZE pistons, ZE camshafts, and timing gears, upgraded electric fuel injection, and a weapon R CAI.. how da Fuck did a turbo KL engine probe lose to a fuckin eclipse??? (shame on you dude)
TSK421 2 years ago
You have timing gears? Please explain, cause it is highly unlikely that you have those. Upgraded electronic fuel injection..again explain. The Probe in the video is a 1st gen, not a KL car!
jkpgt96 2 years ago
goes anyone have a GSX
Jamon77 2 years ago
GST with a 20G compressor housing and some rather nice supporting mods.
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
91 GSX here 16G, intake, exhaust, FMIC, too poor for DSMlink so I have SAFCll. Then 550cc injectors. More coming this year when I can spare money. lol
eklypss19 2 years ago
And it wont last much longer. The only way to to make them any good is to take the 1g block and put the 2g head on them .That is a prover fact. Guarantee it doesnt last. Unless its an auto. They seem to be the only ones that last. And Proven fact, the fastes street DSM is an AUTO!. Heres some advice, sell it!
Work0039 2 years ago
You've obviously never heard of Brent Rau or John Shepard... Brent runs 6's and Shep runs 7's. Shep's is street legal.
eklypss19 2 years ago
actually, your right, i havent and really dnt care. And im sure you heard of them by mouth and that you are on YouTube all the time looking for new videos of them. Point being, DSM's break. And Mechanic will tell you that. If you want a reliable fast car. Get a Maxima w/ the VQ30DE.
Work0039 2 years ago
they only break if u dog the shit out of em. if your a true DSM'r youll work on your shit in the backyard or garage
TekOne510 2 years ago
all cars break at a certain point man.. i bet you heard dsms break by word of mouth as well.. i have a 2.4 7 bolt dohc swapped and turboed in my 96 galant(same as a 2g) and its been running mint with no issues cuz it is taken care off.. i see planty of shitty and SLOW maximas cuz they have been dishonored by the owners, same as with many other car owners
mustangjunkie10 2 years ago
Dsm's break because the make huge power.
Most people don't upgrade surrounding drive train parts to take the extra power. I have never had a rod knock or anything of the sort and i run my car hard that why i got it because its cheap to go fast.
xtra1234 2 years ago
the 1g block is so you can get more power out of them. it has nothing to do with reliability. i have 2 95s and they both run fine all you have to do is take care of them and not dog them out.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
u mean 6 bolt not 1g block as the 92 1/2 and up t/e/ls all had 7 bolts, and they CAN all crankwalk and it has been done, and if you dont beat on it they will last you
mustangjunkie10 2 years ago
anything can last all you have to do is no how to take care of it. thats common sense.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
No... the 6 bolt block is for reliability since the 7 bolts are known to walk easily while the 6 bolts were much less prone to crankwalk.
But then again, any manual car can walk the crank.
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
6 bolts have a bigger bore to them thats why most do the swap cause its cheaper than having it ported. i prefer the 7 bolt myself. i used to have gst now i have a rs with the motor completely rebuilt with a hahn stage 2 turbo kit.
teamevolution2 2 years ago
Bore is the same. I run 2g pistons on 1g rods in my 1g dsm.
xtra1234 2 years ago
crank bore
teamevolution2 2 years ago
The bore and the stroke are the same. But the 2g rod is not as thick as a 1g rod. The crank of course is different. But 7 bolts are still good motors.
xtra1234 2 years ago
of course the eclipse was goin to win
CnoteStackin 2 years ago
what size rims are on the gray eclipse??
1205n 2 years ago
probe was ahead (cheated) and the eclipse still raped! dsm is the best
ssssteve360 2 years ago
Also, alot of the parts under the probes hood are mitsubishi too. Check out the cruise control module or the alternator for instance. my 89pgt is almost like a franken car! but I still love it to bits.
sfhawkeye 2 years ago
Ford owns stock in Mazda. They worked a join project in the late 80s to design and build the Probes, which shares many parts with the MX-6, and 626 mostly. It also derived it's ehadlights from the 80's rx-7.
biohazardzlw 2 years ago
The stock probe GT's and mx-6 GT's have a F2T from mazda. They're pretty quick, I've ridden in them.
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
obviously you've never been in a car that is actually fast.
Smartpatrol9 2 years ago
I guess low 12's for a daily driver running at 15psi isn't fast? Don't come to me with personal attacks when I was just responding to another comment. I didn't feel like listing everything done to my car... what would you consider "fast"? And what does you vehicle run?
TheTelenovaProject 2 years ago
try lookin under a few more mx6's... lol
by the way, KL is whats stamped on the block.. Not ford.. On probes, the Valve cover says ford, and ONLY on teh Vlave cover.. Its funny as the probe shares its chassis with 3 count them 1 2 3 MAZDA vehicles.. How many do they share by ford?
NON.. Mazda made drivetrain, mazda ecu mazda suspesion.. If you cant search google .. I am done
DazeMS 2 years ago
yes i am an idiot DAZEMS mazda has no correlation with ford.. you are right i am an idiot imbecile.. my dad doesnt work for ford/mazda or nething. but i am a fucking idiot douche i know
ibanez860 3 years ago
your a douche.. I said
FORD DOES NOT "MAKE" MAZDA.
Ford owns rights to mazda, but does not design or MAKE there cars.I have been a tuner for the past 10 years of mazdas. and when I have to "special order" my parts from ford and they come back saying " Made by Mazda Manufacturing company of JAPAN", sends a message doesnt it. I order 99% of my parts from mazda for my "FORD". I ALSO happen to have a very early 93 probe gt that happens to have a MANUFACTURED by MAZDA OF JAPAN for FORD vin sticker.
DazeMS 3 years ago
exactly..
ibanez860 3 years ago
? I purchased my first car before I had my lisence to learn about cars on my own/ with friends... I am a "tuner" not a technician... And over the past 10 soon to be 11 years, i have done more research on that car then you have in any of these stupid responses you have left.. Seacrest OUT!
DazeMS 3 years ago
im not trying to start anything but pop the hood of a mazda mx6 it says ford right on the block..sorry fella
BasStinkyfeet 3 years ago
U R an idiot!!! if you raise the hood of any mazda mx6 it would say mazda. the only way it says ford is if someone swapped a new motor in and it came from a probe. i have an mx6 and it says mazda. probe has a mazda motor. other fords that have mazda motors in them are escort, tracer, ranger, fusion and escape. go do some research because it shows you know nothing about mazda and ford.
luexiong 2 years ago
My car was also produced in September 92 as a demo car for the ford lot.. BY MAZDA before it was even produced in the states... Im done respond with you BS all you want I
DazeMS 3 years ago
i said i know you are right two posts below.. you are a car genius.. i admitted i am a douche and an idiot also.. check out the post boss..
ford/mazda... no correlation
ibanez860 3 years ago
you said youve been a tuner for them for 10yrs. yet your age on ur profile is 25 so that means you started when you were 15. so in what time did you take classes to become a tuner. i m lost here dazems.. you must have been a technician at lik e13 damnnn
ibanez860 3 years ago
ford has been buy shares in mazda since some where in the early 80's they did not have controling majority until 1995
but they have been very close friends since the very early 80
look at a ford courier pick up and tell me you can't see a mazda b2000 way back in 1980
broncosis 3 years ago
Nice vid i prodicted the out come though thier both nice cars also
94probewithheaders 3 years ago
ibanez860 ( your an idiot...
FORD does not make mazda.. hahahaha..
DazeMS 3 years ago
u are an idiot .. yes it does jack ass
ibanez860 3 years ago
mazda is a branch of ford just like egale talons are a branch of dodge and plymouth
JimmyMcmillan 3 years ago
videos like this are why I have taken on the challenge of twin turboing my fe3 and cramming that into my 90 probe
so you think that IHI is tinny hmm maybe but what if there were 2 of them :)
so that I will never have to post a video of some thing on the street getting away I don't expect to win at the track all the
time hoping to be done by the end of the month will have to make some good videos then
broncosis 3 years ago
be looking forward to seeing that , that will be pretty badass
JimmyMcmillan 3 years ago
ya thats a slow ford for you but that eclipse was nice tho..
Blazinjayson 3 years ago
Ford took out all the good stuff on the probe and the Escort gt... Originally the Probe has a Fe3 engine 2.0 that can handle up to 20psi and the Escort GT originally was a AWD turbo beast name Ford laser Kh.. so yeah bash as much as you want on ford .. we dont really care
MazdaBp26 3 years ago
the Escort GT's also came with a 1.9 Litre Turbo.
xeroemo 3 years ago
think about the ford gt.. a devastating that performs at speeds close to 200mph stock. ford xr6 turbo is a machine
ppl also seem to forget ford makes mazda also. and that some ford plants are in japan. and some honda plants in america.
ibanez860 3 years ago
Ford didn't make Mazda till 1995!
Gaetan94pro 3 years ago
14 yrs ago
ibanez860 3 years ago
And hes only at 9psi....Thats how a well tuned DSM runs!
IvGunZ 3 years ago 2
yeh he's right, ford has NO innovation. there's no way they could come up with something like an eclipse, FORDS SUCK DICK!! keep them off the track
hooverskins 3 years ago
you are an idiot ford innovated how cars were made with the assembly line you jackass..
i have an eclipse its a 2001 and it sucks.. if you look online theres all different types of sights where ppl complain about how horrible mitsubishis are new off the lot.. stock they have alot of troubles.. put turbo in it and it gets worse.. you are an idiot for the ford as has no innovation.. mitsubishi uses there method to produce there cars fool
ibanez860 3 years ago
Their innovation is almost halted at the assembly line. The mustang and the trucks are their only real innovations..
hooverskins 3 years ago
dude what ever. my 97 gst rapes svt's at the track. and so u know. the 3rd gens do suck stock. so that was ur first mistake retard
Mhotchki 3 years ago
i bought this car as a show car not a performance car.. if i wanted performance i would have bought a twin turbo z32tt
i didnt fuck up at all.. and im sure your 97 gst is a nice ride. i love the 2g. ive owned one myself. i think svts are nice as well.. and im sure there some svts out there that would "rape" ur gst. (i dont know how a car could penetrate against the will of another car)
ibanez860 3 years ago
diss ford, not mazda
TSK421 2 years ago
what build. If you mean the factory build because my engine is stock everything even the intake manifold
MaddDogg81 3 years ago
I've gone to 8000rpm and not blown a rod. K20 rules
MaddDogg81 3 years ago
depends on your build.... and your luck.
yajstylez 3 years ago
hes talking about his honda... they redline somewhere like 8 I think depends on model rsx integra civic or what not force performance like the 4g63
ZichaMatrix 3 years ago
@yajstylez my build must be good. I've heard of stock block 500whp RSX'S
MaddDogg81 1 year ago
@MaddDogg81 the question isn't how much HP the stock block can do. It's how long did the block last befor it blew a seal, rod, tranny...
aaronacj 1 year ago
@aaronacj my car has never blown up. I might turn up the boost one day
MaddDogg81 1 year ago