LBJ had 5 different snipers on hand: myself, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Badgeman and Jada each of us firing one shot a piece with the same old rifle. Contrary to popular belief they all belonged to Ladybird Johnson from her ole huntin' days. None of us knew who fired the actual kill shot but ferrie had the quickest draw with all of those mice in his pocket causing him to twitch and be very premature with his shooting technique. Either way i took the fall and lost out on moving to Aruba with Jada.
oh and for all you cockdogs that think LBJ had something to do with it; JFK told his aides before leaving that LBJ wanted kennedy in his car with him....
There'a a very telling bit of footage, from when JFK was in Ft. Worth that morning. JFK, LBJ, Connally, and Yarbrough all walk up onto this platform. LBJ's got a shit-eating grin on his face. He's smiling, but it's not a nice smile. Yarbrough looks fine. JFK is smiling, but there's some apprehension there. Right after he gets up on stage, he turns around and looks at a Secret Service agent, who nods and smiles at him. Connally looks TERRIFIED. He gets up on stage and looks around, nervously.
This is mighty conclusive. Obviously, Connally was there, and he is giving a simple testimony to what he heard and experienced. Why should there be any questions about this?
Connally knew that JFK was going to be shot. Senator Yarborough was supposed to ride with JFK, but Kennedy insisted that the governor ride with him, instead. Take a good look at Connally, at any time that day. He looked like a goddamned nervous wreck, but he couldn't say anything, without raising suspicion. I find it fascinating that Connally later became the Secretary of the Treasury. Of course, the Department of the Treasury used to run the Secret Service...
Hey Connally, you would wonder bout Pat Speer´s research. Pat Speer dot com found out that at least one shot came from the Dal Tex Building. So the Lone Nut-Case is closed.
Always funny to hear the conspiraacy theorists merely "talk about" answering questions defending their so-called theory, but never actually play them out. Yet, they are like this fellow below yapping about, quote, "deep research" and "overwhelming evidence", yet present NOTHING of detail or substance.
When I met Connally in Houston he was working as a consultant for the same bank that foreclosed on him and sold his personal assets. I suspect that he might have had strong conservative leanings and might have jumped parties if he hadn't already had such a long history with the Dems, but the same is true of LBJ. He opposed Civil Rights and promoted war. His great Society was just another example of conservatives eager to spend OTHER peoples money, like BUSH and Reagan did.
I like how this particular video has a measly 2800+ views. Conspiracy theorists avoid this video like the plague....unless you are of course this fellow below that thinks (are you sitting?) that Connally faked being shot and it was Connally (even though he wasn't looking at JFK) who was the person who fired the headshot.
What facts???There are no hard evidence of a conspiracy!!! Just paranoid people like you who think they are smarter than the others. It is official now: you ARE crazy.
End of story. Good luck with your conspiracy plot and have a nice day!
Fact1: Majority of witness stated the shots weren´t evenly spaced - read in Warren-Report.
Fact2: Puff of smoke above JFKs head is caused by a shot from near.
Fact3: Connally wasn´t hit by a bullet in Z-frame 285 - Nellie-testimonie & observation of movements.
Conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald was not alone!
That´s simple, clear and for everybody to see. So if you like, grumble, annoy, insult... whatever you want. Facts are obviously for everybody to see. Just take time to deal with.
And by the way, some key witnesses, some very talkative about the conspiracy like Mary Moorman, never got killed ! Bill Newman is still alive, ! All the people who died "mysteriously" had plenty of time to speak about a conspiracy or what they saw. And they spoke actually, and they did'nt have much to say...Mary moorman the day of the murder say she saw no shooter !! You can see on the zapruder film sh'es not even looking at the president!
@captainkavern hahahahahah, Mary Moorman as "keywittness". This conclusion follows the same logic as your assumption that the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting. What do you think. Would it be possibel for you to stop this sick psycho waste?
For Mary Moorman. I'd rather say"outspoken". She wrote 2 books and made loads of interviews, she's just not credible.
2-Flowtrainer I am starting to worry about wether you are crazy or not. Can you show me the comment where I said" the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting" because I just NEVER wrote that. And since I think Oswald did it , the killer must have been in the back of the president and therefore was not in a position to look him in the eye...
@captainkavern Nobody becomes a "keywitness" because of writing a book. The "keywitness" who were killed, are people with inside-knowledge, not persons who watched from the outside (with camera/book).
Y 2nd point: Oh, sorry, confusing names, because your obedience to authority is as pajasa62. Correct: This conclusion follows the same logic as the assumption that the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting. Would it be possibel for you to stop this sick psycho waste?
I would love to know the name of these people with "inside-knowledge", because they didn't say much before dying. You see I was a believer in, the conspiracy for years (partly because of the misleading movie JFK). But unfortunately there is nothing credible about a conspiracy. And if someone came to me with hard evidence that there was one I would be glad to accept it! But you don't seem to be as open-minded! Sorry for you...
@captainkavern No, I can not see, that you were a believer. You are a believer, a blind one. The most popular example for a killed person with inside-knowledge was... ? Hmm, do you "remember" his name? And who was the guy who killed these most popular example. How could one come to the conclusion that he had inside-knowledge? Anything to do with conspiracy or believe?
Let´s help you. Just open your eyes and look at the facts, then your mind will open again. So give respect to the majority of
@captainkavern ... majority of witness that stated the shots weren´t evenly spaced. Let´s give respect to the fact that there is a puff of smoke above JFKs head that clearly shows a shot from near. Let´s give respect to the fact that it was impossible for Lee Harvey to hit JFK. Let´s give respect to the fact that Connally lied several times regarding the assassination event. Let´s give respect to the fact Connally play-acting round Z-frame 285. It´s proof that he wasn´t hit that second. Helps?
Isn't it a ridiculous how this other fellow has the Warren Commission involved in a coverup and Nellie Connally playing along with John C. faking that he's shot and shooting JFK...and THEN, incredibly tries to actually CITE their report and testimony as some kind of proof??? (Of course what this proof is....he never actually says)
If asked why plotters would give Connally such a complicated set of fake wounds...his answer?... "What does that matter?"
@pajasa62 Yes please, give us the answer on this question: "Why would plotters give Connally such a complicated set of fake wounds?" You know it by heart!
If you truly answer that, you will also find the answer on this question: "Why did so many witness hear shots from the grassy knoll, even though there was obviously no person aiming with a rifle at the president?"
Open your mind, and think about it. What would you do if you planned an assassination in Dealey Plaza - and you had military power?
Agin...a refusal to give an answer...who know why? Because you CAN'T...that where your argument falls apart!
"Grassy Knoll"? Too bad you have been dealing with me & you mention everything BUT the Grassy Knoll!!! Stick with your arguments and stop flopping all over the place!
The National Academy of Sciences conducted gun tests in Dealey Plaza & realized that at the west part of Elm St. it was impossible to ID any shots from the Depository because of the unusual height/echoes.
@pajasa62 No, no, nooo, it´s no refusal of mine to give an answer.
For us it´s clear, what intelligent murderers do, if they don´t want to be catched. It´s so easy, and everybody knows. It´s too easy, because any intelligent child does, e.g. while playing hide and seek. But for you it´s too hard to realize? So, what do you think lad? Why do these uncles create a complicated set of fake wounds? And why do they shoot in the air, while the murder is taking place? Hmmm, turn on your brain.
Wow...I almost feel sorry for you. I am not here to proclaim "victory" or dance over your grave, but your arguments are to the point where I wonder what is wrong with you.
Of course you don't answer the quaestion, but merely "talk" about answering it.
THEN, you talk about "why do (the conspirators) shoot in the air while the murder is taking place" !!!! As if the assassins had this LUXURY of wasting shots and exposing themselves being seen!
@pajasa62 So, lad, you really don´t know what children do while playing hide & seek? You don´t know football, the Matthews-trick? non of that? When you think of a murder, it´s always a very honest murder, isn´t it? It calls you before, then goes on stage, invites his gun, throws his cigarrette, looks the victim straight in the eye while shouting: "You lousy asshole!"
Yes, well I think it is ALL crap flown under the banner of theory. I realize that conspiracy theorists are just blinded by their ideology, or innocently don't dig deep enough.
Look at one of the fundamental core beliefs of JFK theorists...Ruby was a mob hitman to sent to silence Oswald....so I'm to believe that for, without question, the most important hit in mob history...Ruby uses a single shot to the BELLY? Seriously, is that consistent with the actions of a hitman?
If Ruby wanted to silence Oswald, he was a bit late because Oswald was interogated 48h by the police , and even had a press conference. He said nothing but he was innocent (No conspirasist ever consider he could have lied!!). They can say the police was corrupted, but then why send ruby, they could have killed hil in the cinema during the arrest, he had he gun after all!!! No they sent a bar owner and he shot the guy in the belly!!! hmm...
Thanks for being one of the "sober" people on these JFK sites....
Agreed...and the police (even just one cop) would have had the perfect, legitimate reason to kill Oswald in the theatre...an armed suspect in the murder of a policeman a few blocks away. Officer McDonald even had a 4" cut on his face trying to arrest Oswald and Officer Bentley had torn ligaments in his leg.
Hey folks, please read all the lines below. If y want 2 understand the way to find truth.
While reading, keep in mind, that scientific research always starts with the creation of a theory. If a theory could match reality, the check of this theory is the next step. Some people, who never heard of that, call everybody names, who does not support their contradictory theories. They are led by their deference to authority. So their bad behaviour should not deter us from realizing the facts.!
Have fun with this....this is obviously for entertainment purposes only.
"Connally would have to be a pretty good shot to hit him without looking"
That would have been nice to see if the Governor of Texas MISSED or just grazed Kennedy....how embarassing for him! Jackie..... who was 2 inches away....would have been SOOOO disappointed in Connally....and they were getting along so well before!
@adiostraitorobama Try it! It´s quite easy, because of the short distance. I think, he must have been a very good actor, because only few people recognize his fakery - though Nellie testified at Larry Kings´ that J Connally wasn´t hit in the second he tried to make us believe. Her simple argumentation: "You don´t hear the shot that hits you." :-) So, Mr Connally couldn´t find peace of mind until his end, because women make life complicated. :-))))
You have to love this flowtrainer guy...one sentence he has Nellie Connally with intimate knowledge of Connally faking, yes FAKING he is shot...next sentence he wants to quote a statement by her...why? Well, he can't explain that. Then he has GUNSMOKE, not, brain matter and blood, but gunsmoke coming from JFFK's head, PROVING Connally shot JFK.
If asked why the plotters would fake such a complicated set of wounds on Connally...he answer "Why does that matter?"
What I like with the conspiracy theorists, is that they rewrite History. It probably make them feel more intelligent ("Me they can't fool me!!" etc...) but they are just inventing crazy story with NO EVIDENCE at all!!! Connally was shot !! It was filmed on camera!! He almost died!! How dare you say he faked it!!!!! Some people need to see their shrink more often
@adiostraitorobama I understand your statement, but it looks on the involved people as if they were private persons. It was the governeur of Texas, who had military experiences... Second point is, that there weren´t any bullets whizzing around. There was only one shot aimed at the car. The other shots heared, were only fired to make noise, so the witness were lead to the conclusions that
1st: the shooter was in the Texas Schoolbook-Depository
The worst thing to happen to the Kennedy conspiracy theorists was Oliver Stones movie "JFK"...It made people dig deeper because of the scenes in the movie that were masquraded as fact...when all they were were half-truths, pure spin, embellishment, out-right lies and cherry picking one witness....by ignoring 10 others!
5 minutes from now or 5 DECADES from now conspiracy theorist will never have a 2nd shooter...nor 2nd gun, nor a bullet tied to a weapon other than Oswalds.
That is where it all falls apart, the devil is in the details and the history can't be IGNORED ...let alone the plot would need the conspirators PRAYING that Oswald isn't watching the motorcade with someone...furnishing him an ironclad alibi.
Mysterious deaths? Is killing someone via a traffic accident sound like a way to murder someone...PRAY their not wearing a seatbelt? Maybe iff people like Penn Jones, etc, didn't LIE about people not getting autopsies, WHEN THEY DID...
I'm curious...how many people do you think would need to be intimidated or casual go along with the plot?...how many EACH of the Secret Service, Dallas Police, FBI, the media, teams of doctors in MULTIPLE cities, rifle/handgun mailorder businesses, post office, bus/cab drivers, at least 10 witnesses to Tippet scene, Wesley Frazier & sister, the Paines, Western Union employee, Ruby stripper, Warren Commision, etc,...to maintain an Oswald alone/no-conspiracy/coverup plot?
I have been talking to this other fellow here that maintains that Connally FAKED his own shooting & Connally himself shot JFK (without looking)...weird on many levels.
For me it's silly. This is an historical event that happened ONE WAY...not 2 or 3 and not open to any imaginative scenario. Conspiracy theorists avoid this Connally interview like the plague for good reason.
Connally would have NO REASON to know or be intimidated of a plot AFTER almost being fatally shot.
Listen Flowtrainer, now start flopping all over the place. (you don't like my using your name here?)
Tell me Flowtrainer...I guess you are the only person to think that JFK did not have the terrible damage done to his scalp and brain...but, if you are shot in the head that destroys your scalp and you lose brain matter, GUNSMOKE comes from your head...and this PROVES that Connally, YES, Connally has shot him.
You want me to listen to Nellie?...according to you she had to know about Connally FAKING being shot!
YES OR NO?...you can't have it BOTH WAYS...PICK ONE!!!
And I hate to break this to you...and I hope you are sitting down...but if JFK has just been shot with a 6.5mm round traveling at 2100 feet/second and just had his scalp and brain matter blown out, the effects of it WILL NOT be GUNSMOKE....understood? YES OR NO?
@pajasa62 Nellie testifies, that J Connally wasn´t hit simultaneously with JFK. But Connally was faking. So, what can I do for you, bigmouth?
Do you see the smoke above JFK´s head? It´s from the gun fired from near. Do you see it, or do you still want to claim that it was something different? 2:0 FlowTrainer.
@pajasa62 No, you need more. FlowTrainer says, that´s right. Aaaand Nellie does, too. She knows that her John wasn´t hit by the first bullet, though Connally was faking being hit. Watch: "JFK Assassination John & Nellie Connally On Larry King"
Hey Everybody...watched the Zapruder film!...FLOWTRAINER has proven Connally has murdered JFK!. Shuttlebuses are now leaving for Texas so we can all spit on Connally's grave for murdering JFK!
Then what is this "proof"? It isn't captured on film nor have any eyewitnesses, nor anyone coming forward, nor any circumstantial nor physical evidence...
@pajasa62 Oh, no answers, but a single question. On the Zapruder-film you and everybody else can see a white puff of smoke above JFK´s head. Right? Can YOU see it?
This is proof for a shot from short distance -and- from the front! So there are only two persons in shooting-position at this second: Connally and Greer. What a coincidence that both hold their hands like their could have been a gun on the not altered film.
Further more, earwitness from persons standing near the car in the moment of
WOW for 47+ years nobodies noticed this...amazing! Hey everybody! Connally and now Greer killed JFK! Amazing! Flowtrainer has done it! Everybody congratulate him! This is the most shocking discovery since the opened up King Tut's tomb! Let's see how much traction this discovery od Flowtrainer gets! I am sure everybody on ALL these JFK sites will change their opinion...Let's go to Texas and spit on Connally's grave...How could he have killed JFK? GOD BLESS FLOWTRAINER...MY HERO!
Please flowtrainer...finish your sentence..you are talking about the "not altered" Zapruder film which you have seen...then you talk about "earwitnesses near the car"....what did they hear that they did not see? ...can you post the non-altered Zapruder film that you have seen?...please FLOWTRAINER...teach me! I want to learn!
Please tell me about the bus shuttles to Connally's grave...I want to spit on the assassin headstone too!
@pajasa62 you ask, "what earwitnesses hear, what they can not see"? - Do your homework! Read the testimonies in the Warren-Report! There are at least six witness, who heared shots from inside the car!
Hey flowtrainer...you say Connally faked being shot...Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds on him (entrance on the back...exit through his chest...entrance and exits through the wrist...and a wound barely penetrating his thigh)....ANY IDEAS?......Please share with the world.
@pajasa62 You ask: "Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds?" - don´t know. For what should that be important to know? The plotters did a lot to lead you on the wrong way...!
"Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds on Connally"
Flowtrainers answer: "Why should that be important?"
WHY? Because these are the questions you have to answer if you want to be honest with yourself!
Forget about the COUNTLESS people involved in a coverup of Connally faking being shot...but to give him a shot through the back...exiting his chest...passing through his wrist & barely penetrating his thigh? When ONE WOUND would suffice?? Just plain stupid.
@pajasa62 Can YOU also see the white puff of smoke above JFKs head? Please answer with "no" or "yes". Thank you. Answers, please! Nobody needs your tons of jabbering. Just answer a single question.
@pajasa62 On the one hand, there is a "official" theory, which obviously does not fit, because of F A C T S, e.g. the puff of smoke above JFKs head. On the other hand, there is a theory, which does fit, but is less proofen. To find evidence for the fitting theory is not my task. Pajasa62, this is not a courtroom. It´s youtube, where everybody is allowed to tell his opinion. So I do not have to show "proof", but I do want to share a thought and an observation with the other guys here.
You capitaliize the words "FACTS" in reference to "a puff of smoke above JFK's head"???
I suggest you look at ALL, not some, ALL the eyewitness accounts that were close to the limo on Elm St....you will see that it is not "smoke", but his head being destroyed by the impact of a bullet.
Sure! You can give an opinion and observation, but in the end don't you want to be accurate?
@pajasa62 If you want to be accurate, then watch the film of Marie Muchmore. The smoke comes from a position lower an din front of JFKs head. The smoke then rises about 30 inches before it disappears. That observation fits perfect to the theory of a shot from near.
You should be precise in your statements. To say "I suggest you look at ALL, ... eyewitness ... you will see that it is not "smoke"... ." is inappropriate for a discussion. On which aspect of the testimonies do you want to refer?
@pajasa62 ...perhaps you mean the testimony of Bobby Hargis?, who was splattered with blood and brain matter?
What do you think? Would this "bloody water" appear on a picture or film? Look like white smoke? Would the movement of this cloud of little water-beads be like ... smoke? Caused by an explosion of the head, would it appear only on one side of the head? - No, no, no, none of all of that ever was observed in this world! So, do you see the smoke? FACTS or fiction for deference to authority?
So tell me ...what is an explosion of someones scalp and brain matter with regard such a shot, SUPPOSE to do?
You ACT like you are presenting some weird type of proof...backed up by NOTHING, but the type of observation that I'd expect from someone that's blind.
But then again you have the "luxury" of forever adding conspirators to this plot of yours, whenever you are confronted with material that makes your "Connally faked his own shooting and shot JFK", look silly.
Sad. I'm not here to humiliate you, pal. I almost feel sorry for you, aside from the fact that your in facing-saving mode.
Curious, how many conspirators do you think it took for your LSD-inspired "Connally faked being shot and he was the one that shot JFK"...Can you throw an.....eeehhhh....educated guess at me?
@pajasa62 You can not give the answer?, because your clear "Yes" would mean, that the whole theory you build up your roaaaring, is wrong! Scientific research means: If one piece of a theory does not fit, the whole theory must be wrong. So, your answer please. Do you see the white puff of smoke above JFK´s head? - Yes, you do - and it can only be explained by a shot from inside the car! Bye, bye loudmouth!
I fguess you are just trying to save face at this point. I feel embarassed for you if you think that "smoke" not coming from a gun, but being thrust out of someone's HEAD is a sign that Connally shot JFK (while not even looking at him), when ALL accounts from Dealey Plaza to Parkland to Bethesda had JFK missing scalp and brain matter.
Your attempt at amateur ballistics and forensic pathology is pretty silly
Hey Connally. Great loss for Hollywood. Most of the people still believe that you were shot, though it is clearly to see in the Zapruder, that you move your left shoulder upwards to take your gun from the right hip.
I can't believe some of the nonsense I read on here about conspiracies. People criticize others and then come out with the kookiest stuff I've ever heard.
If you had done your research you would know that Connally was shot by the same bullet that pass through Kennedy. It's easily noticeable on the zapruder film...so in fact we CAN exactly say when Connally was shot
I know...these people act like they are going to get a prize or something for having the most imaginative scenario. They have no intention of treating this as an historical event that happened ONE WAY.
@CT2507 Uhhh, no, I don´t think so. The actions of Connally and Greer are synchronized to the sounds of the shots from the grassy knoll. That´s too much coincidence to be true. They both looked at him, targeted him immediately before the shots. They both lied about that in their testimonies and interviews: "I glimpsed over my shoulder, and I saw nothing/ the crowd." Both were in shooting position at the moment of the shots.
... hey Connally, you forgot the last shot, which came from your hand under your big texas-hat.
Watch the Zapruderfilm closely and you´ll see little but specifically moving white smoke, which cannot come from a distant gun. Right before this, you see Connally fixing the president, looking him right in the face. Then Connally turns away to his left by holding his hat in front of him (even though he should be hit by a bullet, which should have opened his hands by reflex). From under this hat...
@FlowTrainer i agree that the puff of smoke close to JFK's head is suspiscious. but there is another possibility. Jackie was the shooter. and Connally only turned to give her the sign! look into that. its not as crazy as it sounds..
If you watch the Zapruder film you can see that Connally never had the opportunity to watch the president face to face. He was hit at the same time as the president, by the same bullet. And by the way, did you know that Connally kept his hat in is hand even after having been hit?
that is correct he was able to watch Kennedy in the face. you are right about that.
But you have to admit, the only time Connally reacts violenly to something is at the same time as Kennedy. (look at his jacket violently pushed forward.
@captainkavern Uhh, what a coincidence. What do you think? Would this explain your big observation: Connally heard the sound of shot, which hit Kennedy, and acted like a professional actor does. That´s all about the magic bullet.
@FlowTrainer I think you have it. A shot on an angle described by many( right temple to the back of the head) with Kennedy's head position at the time would have been on an upward angle too steep for a sewer drain. Conally was left handed, his jacket was dry-cleaned before any investigation and his shirt went missing for 2 yrs(due to a souvenir hunter?) in the WC testimony someone who examined the jacket observed that a bullet passed through the inside pocket but not through the front.
Curious, you say "I think you have it" regarding this guy thinking Connally faked being shot & he shot JFK.
Since you support it, maybe you can answer the questions that he refuses to answer.
Why would a plot to kill JFK, NEED to complicate itself by Connally faking to be shot?...bringing in secret service agents, doctors, nurses, x-ray techs & Nellie Connally, ALL perfectly going along with a coverup?
Why would they need to give Connally such a complicated set of wounds?
@pajasa62 Perhaps he is faking.I don't know. I've never seen any kind of proof he was injured. If he was hit, we know he was accidentally hit. If he had a gun under his jacket and under that hat(old cowboy trick)he might have shot himself under the arm when a sniper got him in the left thigh or the right wrist.It makes sense to have someone close to make sure, like Ruby with Oswald.You don't miss.As far as the Secret Service goes it takes one at the top.Everyone else is following orders.
It's like talking to a child. The only thing you said that made any sense was "I don't know". Then you started mangling loose ideas that has Connally being part of the plot...yet putting himself IN THE LINE OF FIRE in a MOVING object...but wait!, maybe he shot HIMSELF apparently with QUOTE "the old cowboy trick"
SS agents in the lead & followup car still alive today (Hill, Landis & Lawson) sworn to protect the President merely go along a coup.
@pajasa62 Cont- As far as the Parkland doctors and nurses they all contradict the official version. The Bethesda doctors were bound by military order but have since broken their silence.
@wunderdoggy Let´s say: "We got it." It´s a great challange to communicate this, cause one can come to this conclusion only by deep research. A lot of information has to be shown & a lot of disinformation has to be exposed. One part of the disinformation is the testimony of Connally, because of his status as a victim. The idea to act as being shot and the lie that he was wounded, were politically very clever. Until today for most people it´s hard to believe that, despite overwhelming evidence.
@captainkavern Yes, that´s what I mean. The shots from the Texas Schoolbook-depository and from the grassy knoll were fake, too. They were only fired to make noise, so nobody had "the time" to look at Connally closely.
Yeah, so Connally faked getting shot...he, his wife Nellie and all the secret service agents, surgeons, nurses, attending physicians, etc. ALL were part of the plot to kill and risk the electric chair.
Good! Keep it up! I want everyone to see how mentally unhinged you conspiracy theorists are.
@pajasa62 Your "argument" left him unpunished. So think, how many secretservice-agents, nurses, ... are needed to a hospital bed? Would one single doctor be enough? Would one single order of the vice-president be enough? What do you think, how many doctors work in the military, who were convinced that it was necessary to kill Kennedy because of national security?
@pajasa62 Why should Nellie be part of the plot? What do you think, she got to see from the gunshot wound? A patch? and a small scar... Nellie was the perfect woman for a killer: naive, deaf, always friendly and inflexible in faith in the goodness. She would never call into question what "her" John says.
You are either nuts or painfully naive and ignorant of details.
Surgeons for Connally's different wounds included Dr's. Shaw, Shires, Osborne and Parker...REAL PEOPLE - who according to you must be part of the conspiracy...and willing to risk the electric chair.
Then you act like Connally's wounds were akin to a paper cut and even gthough Nellie is Connally's wife and shared the same bed with him up until the time of his death, she never noticed the non-existant gunshot wounds!
@pajasa62 Wow, maybe you also know the names of the "REAL PEOPLE" who altered the medical evidence? Should be Drs Shaw, Shires, Osborne and Parker?, who would have risked their life otherwise!
@pajasa62 Don´t know, if Nellie did medical examinations to find out if the scar at Connallys back was really caused by a gunshotwound. Maybe you took part in their bedroom-scene?
Typical childish answer from a conspiracy theorist...you want a cast of 100's of people going along with the plot (some only CASUALLY)...willing to risk the electric chair, but apparently it is worth it for them!
By the same pathetic standards of plausibilty and proof you use to say "Connally was not shot"...HEY! maybe JFK was not shot either! Maybe he just wanted to carry on his relationship with Marilyn Monroe who faked her own death!
@pajasa62 Your Repitition of the "argument": ... willing to risk the electric chair., ist rather weak, because they did it for "national security". They could expect no punishment. On the other hand they were threatened with death, if they did not cooperate. If you knew how "communication" works among politicians, you would understand that.
@FlowTrainer Don't take it personal pal...if you can defend your bizarre "Connally was not shot and faked it" comment then DEFEND IT...I'm all ears.
Maybe you can tell why would Connally put himself IN THE LINE OF FIRE IN A MOVING OBJECT, for at least some point of the shooting?
Maybe tell me why a plot WOULD NEED to include Connally faking being shot??? Doesn't that seem like a ridiculous and totally unnecessary risk for the plotters to expose themselves to?
@pajasa62 ahh, of course. Now you don´t find arguments despite from "conclusions" like "... willing to risk the electric chair" oder "put himself in the line of fire"... you mean, that I should give all answers to the assassination - otherwise I´m all the things you call me?
Did you ever think about a military operation? Could you imagine a situation where one soldier must go first? Or did you hear of "storm of normandy"? How many soldiers had to put themselves in the line of fire, and died for
@pajasa62 ... seems to me you have to put off your petty borgeois view on the world. No risk, no fun. If politicians and soldiers were thinking like you - we wouldn´t have any wars. Furthermore Connally did not put himself in the line of fire, because he knew that nobody aimed at him. That´s a difference, isn´t it? Who knows, he wore a bulletproof vest? His jacket did not look tailor-made. Watch closely, before you tell us more about your wild "conclusions".
I'm not calling you names...I am calling you precisely what you are ...retarded.
One sentence you say Connally is NOT in the line of fire in a moving object...the next sentence you have him wearing a bullet proof vest coming to the scientific conclusion that his jacket "does not look tailor made".
Again:
WHY WOULD CONSPIRATORS NEED TO INCLUDE CONNALLY FAKING BEING SHOT?....HOW IS THIS NECESSARY FOR KILLING JFK...AND WHY WOULD THEY TAKE THE UNNECESSARY RISK ?
@pajasa62 "UNNECESSARY RISK"? It worked perfect, because name-calling people like you can be deceived by that. To shoot from inside the car was the only way to kill him for sure on this day - and by the lowest risk. But, maybe you want to tell us the way to shoot from outside the car - without anybody "in the line of fire"? Please tell us! Oh, I´m sorry. You did not think about that? Aaah, now I got it. The president should drive alone... that´s perfect, hahahaaaahhh.
@pajasa62 Seems to me, you now really become mad. You mean Connally should have shot Kennedy under the triple overpass? Are you completely out of order?
If he had shot there, anybody would have known that somebody shot from inside the car. It is quite simple, so please...
Oh now your MR. REALITY all of a sudden...or are you? Because he is still shooting him in front of people and cameras. Poor Jackie, must have been SOOOO disappointed in John Connally...and she thought they were getting along so well! But I'm sure she realized the importance of the mission and kept quiet...GIVE US A BREAK!
And again, WHY WOULD CONNALLY NEED TO FAKE HIS OWN SHOOTING?
@pajasa62 now you go crazy, eh? The pistol was under the hat, he held in front of his breast - that´s also quite simple. Your questions show that you did not do your homework regarding this case. Otherwise you would know that the last shots came almost simultaniously. It was impossible for Jackie to know where these shots came from, because it was too loud. That´s also already well known.
Listen to this retard calling people crazy...you want to be the first kid on the block with your stupid "Connally faked being shot because he was shooting JFK"....Ever wonder why your argument has no traction?
Yeah...Connally shoots JFK, but Jackie doesn't hear it QUOTE, "because it was too loud"
Keep 'em coming...I could use the laugh!
OH,and by the way... the earwitness accounts taken AT THE TIME were 136 hearing 3 shots and only 6...SIX!!! hearing 4 shots.
@pajasa62 Have you ever heard, that one gun can be loud and the other be almost silent? Never heard of that?
And if you looked closely to the testimny of those 6 earwittness, than you would have recognized that they all were in the near of the car! Only those people could hear all the shots, because the ones from inside the car weren´t that loud! Got it?
I'm not here to dance on your grave my friend. You spat something out & simply didn't think anyone was going to challenge you. Your position is untenable and that's why you ignore questions posed to you...or live in an area of ambiguous comments WITH STILL no proof.
Why would conspirators give Connally so many different wounds (when one would suffice) to fake him being shot?
Why would there even be a need for a plot TO FIND IT NECESSARY to have Connally fake that he was shot?
@pajasa62 Your question: "Why would there even be a need for a plot TO FIND IT NECESSARY to have Connally fake that he was shot?" ... and you know the answer, because it´s so easy for everyone to see: it´s his alibi.
@pajasa62 Now that your brain works, let´s ask soem questions. Where is Connally´s hat? Uhhh. Why was his jacket washed? Ohhhh. Why was the car cleaned? Aaahhh. Why did Greer almost stop the car? Iiihhhh. Your answers, please.
I GAVE YOU EIGHT QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO DEFEND YOUR CLAIM....
AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER NOT EVEN ONE????
Then you come back with "Where is Connally's hat?" Are you serious?....Where is his shoes?...or his underwear?....
Then "Why did Greer almost stop?" .....HILARIOUS from a clown who says Connally faked being shot and was the one to shoot JFK....I answer you...If what you say is true...What does Greer have to do with it.
You're nothing more than an unhinged internet weirdo.
@pajasa62 You call me "unhinged internet weirdo". That´s not nice. Let´s try to calm down. Only in the mood of inner calmness, you can find the truth, which is hidden behind the fakery of Connally.
"I don't have to defend my claim" says Flowtrainer.
NO KIDDING man, no freakin' KIDDING!
You have absolutely ZERO PROOF and can only offer everybody under the sun...even Nellie Connally, as part of the plot or conspiracy to coverup....secret service agents, different surgeons, nurses, x-ray techs, attending physicians ALL in with the plot.
You are living in a video game mentality and have no intention whatsoever to treat this as an historical event that happened ONE WAY.
@pajasa62 First of all. Read the lines below, then you will find, that part of your statement is a lie. I did not say that. Maybe you don´t want to see the proof. Remember: First of all, you have to do your homework. Otherwise, go home with your name-calling bad behaviour.
How about answering some questions that I posed to you....I'm waiting.
I can hear FlowTrainer now...." I was just joking around....I can't believe someone is challenging me on my bullshit idea that Connally faked being shot and was the one to shoot Kennedy....shit I didn't even look at the Zapruder film before I spoke because Connally isn't even looking at Kennedy when JFK was shot....what do I do to save face....????"
@pajasa62 "How about answering some questions that I posed to you....I'm waiting."
Just read the lines below.
But if you really stil expect that the murderer behaves as a child, you will never get any idea of that. Hey, is there anybody who expects, that Connally would have to look Kennedy right in the face to shoot him - from a distance of app. 50 inches?
He was unconscious during the final period of the assassination.
Its obvious from that and his trust and naiveté in trusting the federal powers that be, that he would be so easily convinced of only shots from behind the car.
@blungo99 Clearly, it entered from the front. That's why the back of his head blew off and not the front. Can you not see that? The way The Warren Commission described it, the one bullet must have been a miniature guided missile. If you really believe The Warren Commission, then you're super gullible?
@darkoanton5 No. If you don't believe that it was just Oswald that day then well, you're in denial. Too hard to accept the truth -- that a 24 year old loser like Oswald could kill a handsome president like Kennedy. But he did. All by himself. Most cannot face the fact. It's a psychological issue, but understandable.
@Cathie8791 The only psychological issue here is your lack of an intellect. The night before the killing, JFK and LBJ got into a heated argument over the seating in the motorcade. LBJ wanted his enemy, Texas Sen. Yarborough in the limo with JFK, instead of his friend Connally. JFK refused saying protocol dictated the Governor ride with him. Now why on Earth would it matter to LBJ on who sat with JFK? And don't forget Connally screaming, "My God, THEY are going to kill us all during the shooting.
LBJ had 5 different snipers on hand: myself, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Badgeman and Jada each of us firing one shot a piece with the same old rifle. Contrary to popular belief they all belonged to Ladybird Johnson from her ole huntin' days. None of us knew who fired the actual kill shot but ferrie had the quickest draw with all of those mice in his pocket causing him to twitch and be very premature with his shooting technique. Either way i took the fall and lost out on moving to Aruba with Jada.
TheRealAlekHidell 2 months ago
oh and for all you cockdogs that think LBJ had something to do with it; JFK told his aides before leaving that LBJ wanted kennedy in his car with him....
greeniem 7 months ago
@greeniem he wanted the wife not him in the car wit him. its a fact. johnson wanted mrs. kennedy to ride wit him.
producer201118 6 months ago
@producer201118 in fact kenny o'donnell said lbj wanted JFK in the car with him :)
greeniem 6 months ago
@greeniem oh well I guess that proves it then
0megaM00 3 months ago
There'a a very telling bit of footage, from when JFK was in Ft. Worth that morning. JFK, LBJ, Connally, and Yarbrough all walk up onto this platform. LBJ's got a shit-eating grin on his face. He's smiling, but it's not a nice smile. Yarbrough looks fine. JFK is smiling, but there's some apprehension there. Right after he gets up on stage, he turns around and looks at a Secret Service agent, who nods and smiles at him. Connally looks TERRIFIED. He gets up on stage and looks around, nervously.
LongLiveOx 7 months ago
@LongLiveOx Very interesting, do you know where I could see that, or download it? :)
NeilCrouse 3 months ago
This is mighty conclusive. Obviously, Connally was there, and he is giving a simple testimony to what he heard and experienced. Why should there be any questions about this?
johnny511000 7 months ago
@johnny511000 His wife also said that he was shot after JFK was shot. She was there. That would be mighty conclusive too...
Ahlywog 7 months ago
Connally knew that JFK was going to be shot. Senator Yarborough was supposed to ride with JFK, but Kennedy insisted that the governor ride with him, instead. Take a good look at Connally, at any time that day. He looked like a goddamned nervous wreck, but he couldn't say anything, without raising suspicion. I find it fascinating that Connally later became the Secretary of the Treasury. Of course, the Department of the Treasury used to run the Secret Service...
LongLiveOx 8 months ago
@LongLiveOx
DEAD WRONG
1. Connally rode in ALL of the Texas motorcades with JFK (San Antonio, Houston, Ft. Worth, Dallas)
2. JFK WANTED Yarborough to ride SPECIFICALLY with LBJ to appear to heal the strife within factions of Texas Democratic party.
3. Yarborough was unmarried, leaving an empty spot in the presidential limo. (doubtful they'd want an arkward seating arrangement)
4. Connally at the Ft. Worth breakfast was having a good time - watch when Mr. Buck introduces his wife, Nellie!
pajasa62 8 months ago
1. Did anyone see a gun or shooter from the Dal Tel?...NO
2. Any evidence recovered from there?...NO
3. Any bullet tied to a weapon other than Oswald's?...NO
4. Anyone see Connally shoot JFK?....NO
5.Did Jackie from 2 feet away?...NO
6. Any evidence from the Zapruder film?....NO
7. Any evidence that Connally FAKED being shot?....NO
8. Any secret service, surgeons, attending doctors, nurses, x-ray techs provide any hint that Connally faked being shot?...NO.
9. Is Flowtrainer nuts?...YES!!
pajasa62 8 months ago
Hey Connally, you would wonder bout Pat Speer´s research. Pat Speer dot com found out that at least one shot came from the Dal Tex Building. So the Lone Nut-Case is closed.
FlowTrainer 8 months ago
Always funny to hear the conspiraacy theorists merely "talk about" answering questions defending their so-called theory, but never actually play them out. Yet, they are like this fellow below yapping about, quote, "deep research" and "overwhelming evidence", yet present NOTHING of detail or substance.
pajasa62 8 months ago
When I met Connally in Houston he was working as a consultant for the same bank that foreclosed on him and sold his personal assets. I suspect that he might have had strong conservative leanings and might have jumped parties if he hadn't already had such a long history with the Dems, but the same is true of LBJ. He opposed Civil Rights and promoted war. His great Society was just another example of conservatives eager to spend OTHER peoples money, like BUSH and Reagan did.
exenrontexas 8 months ago
I like how this particular video has a measly 2800+ views. Conspiracy theorists avoid this video like the plague....unless you are of course this fellow below that thinks (are you sitting?) that Connally faked being shot and it was Connally (even though he wasn't looking at JFK) who was the person who fired the headshot.
pajasa62 9 months ago
What facts???There are no hard evidence of a conspiracy!!! Just paranoid people like you who think they are smarter than the others. It is official now: you ARE crazy.
End of story. Good luck with your conspiracy plot and have a nice day!
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern
Fact1: Majority of witness stated the shots weren´t evenly spaced - read in Warren-Report.
Fact2: Puff of smoke above JFKs head is caused by a shot from near.
Fact3: Connally wasn´t hit by a bullet in Z-frame 285 - Nellie-testimonie & observation of movements.
Conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald was not alone!
That´s simple, clear and for everybody to see. So if you like, grumble, annoy, insult... whatever you want. Facts are obviously for everybody to see. Just take time to deal with.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
And by the way, some key witnesses, some very talkative about the conspiracy like Mary Moorman, never got killed ! Bill Newman is still alive, ! All the people who died "mysteriously" had plenty of time to speak about a conspiracy or what they saw. And they spoke actually, and they did'nt have much to say...Mary moorman the day of the murder say she saw no shooter !! You can see on the zapruder film sh'es not even looking at the president!
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern hahahahahah, Mary Moorman as "keywittness". This conclusion follows the same logic as your assumption that the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting. What do you think. Would it be possibel for you to stop this sick psycho waste?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
For Mary Moorman. I'd rather say"outspoken". She wrote 2 books and made loads of interviews, she's just not credible.
2-Flowtrainer I am starting to worry about wether you are crazy or not. Can you show me the comment where I said" the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting" because I just NEVER wrote that. And since I think Oswald did it , the killer must have been in the back of the president and therefore was not in a position to look him in the eye...
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern Nobody becomes a "keywitness" because of writing a book. The "keywitness" who were killed, are people with inside-knowledge, not persons who watched from the outside (with camera/book).
Y 2nd point: Oh, sorry, confusing names, because your obedience to authority is as pajasa62. Correct: This conclusion follows the same logic as the assumption that the killer must have looked Kennedy right in the eye while shooting. Would it be possibel for you to stop this sick psycho waste?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
I would love to know the name of these people with "inside-knowledge", because they didn't say much before dying. You see I was a believer in, the conspiracy for years (partly because of the misleading movie JFK). But unfortunately there is nothing credible about a conspiracy. And if someone came to me with hard evidence that there was one I would be glad to accept it! But you don't seem to be as open-minded! Sorry for you...
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern No, I can not see, that you were a believer. You are a believer, a blind one. The most popular example for a killed person with inside-knowledge was... ? Hmm, do you "remember" his name? And who was the guy who killed these most popular example. How could one come to the conclusion that he had inside-knowledge? Anything to do with conspiracy or believe?
Let´s help you. Just open your eyes and look at the facts, then your mind will open again. So give respect to the majority of
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@captainkavern ... majority of witness that stated the shots weren´t evenly spaced. Let´s give respect to the fact that there is a puff of smoke above JFKs head that clearly shows a shot from near. Let´s give respect to the fact that it was impossible for Lee Harvey to hit JFK. Let´s give respect to the fact that Connally lied several times regarding the assassination event. Let´s give respect to the fact Connally play-acting round Z-frame 285. It´s proof that he wasn´t hit that second. Helps?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Sad...
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern
Isn't it a ridiculous how this other fellow has the Warren Commission involved in a coverup and Nellie Connally playing along with John C. faking that he's shot and shooting JFK...and THEN, incredibly tries to actually CITE their report and testimony as some kind of proof??? (Of course what this proof is....he never actually says)
If asked why plotters would give Connally such a complicated set of fake wounds...his answer?... "What does that matter?"
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Yes please, give us the answer on this question: "Why would plotters give Connally such a complicated set of fake wounds?" You know it by heart!
If you truly answer that, you will also find the answer on this question: "Why did so many witness hear shots from the grassy knoll, even though there was obviously no person aiming with a rifle at the president?"
Open your mind, and think about it. What would you do if you planned an assassination in Dealey Plaza - and you had military power?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 ... and remember. It´s just a further piece of evidence for your bad behaviour that you talk about others. Lack of arguments?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Agin...a refusal to give an answer...who know why? Because you CAN'T...that where your argument falls apart!
"Grassy Knoll"? Too bad you have been dealing with me & you mention everything BUT the Grassy Knoll!!! Stick with your arguments and stop flopping all over the place!
The National Academy of Sciences conducted gun tests in Dealey Plaza & realized that at the west part of Elm St. it was impossible to ID any shots from the Depository because of the unusual height/echoes.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 No, no, nooo, it´s no refusal of mine to give an answer.
For us it´s clear, what intelligent murderers do, if they don´t want to be catched. It´s so easy, and everybody knows. It´s too easy, because any intelligent child does, e.g. while playing hide and seek. But for you it´s too hard to realize? So, what do you think lad? Why do these uncles create a complicated set of fake wounds? And why do they shoot in the air, while the murder is taking place? Hmmm, turn on your brain.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Wow...I almost feel sorry for you. I am not here to proclaim "victory" or dance over your grave, but your arguments are to the point where I wonder what is wrong with you.
Of course you don't answer the quaestion, but merely "talk" about answering it.
THEN, you talk about "why do (the conspirators) shoot in the air while the murder is taking place" !!!! As if the assassins had this LUXURY of wasting shots and exposing themselves being seen!
Again...WOW!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 So, lad, you really don´t know what children do while playing hide & seek? You don´t know football, the Matthews-trick? non of that? When you think of a murder, it´s always a very honest murder, isn´t it? It calls you before, then goes on stage, invites his gun, throws his cigarrette, looks the victim straight in the eye while shouting: "You lousy asshole!"
Is that your comic-Hollywood-reality? Right?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
Yes, well I think it is ALL crap flown under the banner of theory. I realize that conspiracy theorists are just blinded by their ideology, or innocently don't dig deep enough.
Look at one of the fundamental core beliefs of JFK theorists...Ruby was a mob hitman to sent to silence Oswald....so I'm to believe that for, without question, the most important hit in mob history...Ruby uses a single shot to the BELLY? Seriously, is that consistent with the actions of a hitman?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62
Absolutely true!!!!
If Ruby wanted to silence Oswald, he was a bit late because Oswald was interogated 48h by the police , and even had a press conference. He said nothing but he was innocent (No conspirasist ever consider he could have lied!!). They can say the police was corrupted, but then why send ruby, they could have killed hil in the cinema during the arrest, he had he gun after all!!! No they sent a bar owner and he shot the guy in the belly!!! hmm...
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern
Thanks for being one of the "sober" people on these JFK sites....
Agreed...and the police (even just one cop) would have had the perfect, legitimate reason to kill Oswald in the theatre...an armed suspect in the murder of a policeman a few blocks away. Officer McDonald even had a 4" cut on his face trying to arrest Oswald and Officer Bentley had torn ligaments in his leg.
pajasa62 9 months ago
Hey folks, please read all the lines below. If y want 2 understand the way to find truth.
While reading, keep in mind, that scientific research always starts with the creation of a theory. If a theory could match reality, the check of this theory is the next step. Some people, who never heard of that, call everybody names, who does not support their contradictory theories. They are led by their deference to authority. So their bad behaviour should not deter us from realizing the facts.!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
Have fun with this....this is obviously for entertainment purposes only.
"Connally would have to be a pretty good shot to hit him without looking"
That would have been nice to see if the Governor of Texas MISSED or just grazed Kennedy....how embarassing for him! Jackie..... who was 2 inches away....would have been SOOOO disappointed in Connally....and they were getting along so well before!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama Try it! It´s quite easy, because of the short distance. I think, he must have been a very good actor, because only few people recognize his fakery - though Nellie testified at Larry Kings´ that J Connally wasn´t hit in the second he tried to make us believe. Her simple argumentation: "You don´t hear the shot that hits you." :-) So, Mr Connally couldn´t find peace of mind until his end, because women make life complicated. :-))))
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
You have to love this flowtrainer guy...one sentence he has Nellie Connally with intimate knowledge of Connally faking, yes FAKING he is shot...next sentence he wants to quote a statement by her...why? Well, he can't explain that. Then he has GUNSMOKE, not, brain matter and blood, but gunsmoke coming from JFFK's head, PROVING Connally shot JFK.
If asked why the plotters would fake such a complicated set of wounds on Connally...he answer "Why does that matter?"
pajasa62 9 months ago
What I like with the conspiracy theorists, is that they rewrite History. It probably make them feel more intelligent ("Me they can't fool me!!" etc...) but they are just inventing crazy story with NO EVIDENCE at all!!! Connally was shot !! It was filmed on camera!! He almost died!! How dare you say he faked it!!!!! Some people need to see their shrink more often
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern
You're right...these conspiracy clowns pretend to be so "in the know".
Look what this imbecile writes..." He (Connally) must have been a very good actor, because only few people recognize his fakery"
What is wrong with those people?
Whenever they are challenged on their crap....QUICK, run for the exit signs or change the topic - FAST!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama I understand your statement, but it looks on the involved people as if they were private persons. It was the governeur of Texas, who had military experiences... Second point is, that there weren´t any bullets whizzing around. There was only one shot aimed at the car. The other shots heared, were only fired to make noise, so the witness were lead to the conclusions that
1st: the shooter was in the Texas Schoolbook-Depository
2nd: the shots from inside the car were drowned.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
The worst thing to happen to the Kennedy conspiracy theorists was Oliver Stones movie "JFK"...It made people dig deeper because of the scenes in the movie that were masquraded as fact...when all they were were half-truths, pure spin, embellishment, out-right lies and cherry picking one witness....by ignoring 10 others!
5 minutes from now or 5 DECADES from now conspiracy theorist will never have a 2nd shooter...nor 2nd gun, nor a bullet tied to a weapon other than Oswalds.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
That is where it all falls apart, the devil is in the details and the history can't be IGNORED ...let alone the plot would need the conspirators PRAYING that Oswald isn't watching the motorcade with someone...furnishing him an ironclad alibi.
Mysterious deaths? Is killing someone via a traffic accident sound like a way to murder someone...PRAY their not wearing a seatbelt? Maybe iff people like Penn Jones, etc, didn't LIE about people not getting autopsies, WHEN THEY DID...
pajasa62 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
I'm curious...how many people do you think would need to be intimidated or casual go along with the plot?...how many EACH of the Secret Service, Dallas Police, FBI, the media, teams of doctors in MULTIPLE cities, rifle/handgun mailorder businesses, post office, bus/cab drivers, at least 10 witnesses to Tippet scene, Wesley Frazier & sister, the Paines, Western Union employee, Ruby stripper, Warren Commision, etc,...to maintain an Oswald alone/no-conspiracy/coverup plot?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@adiostraitorobama
I have been talking to this other fellow here that maintains that Connally FAKED his own shooting & Connally himself shot JFK (without looking)...weird on many levels.
For me it's silly. This is an historical event that happened ONE WAY...not 2 or 3 and not open to any imaginative scenario. Conspiracy theorists avoid this Connally interview like the plague for good reason.
Connally would have NO REASON to know or be intimidated of a plot AFTER almost being fatally shot.
pajasa62 9 months ago
You cowardly traitor. You saw the president was shot - and what did you do? You crawled under the seat!
There´s only one conclusion out of the evidence we see in the Zapruderfilm - the puff of smoke above JFKs head came from your gun!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Hey everybody!...I can't believe it! I did not realize that Connally FAKED being shot...and he, Connally was the one to shoot JFK.
Do you know how I know this? Well....I do not have a shread of fact...but Flowtrainer SAYS SO....I guess that's all I need.
pajasa62 9 months ago
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FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Despite from that, what about the smoke, above JFKs head. Can you see it now? Or still blinded by your deference to authority?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Listen Flowtrainer, now start flopping all over the place. (you don't like my using your name here?)
Tell me Flowtrainer...I guess you are the only person to think that JFK did not have the terrible damage done to his scalp and brain...but, if you are shot in the head that destroys your scalp and you lose brain matter, GUNSMOKE comes from your head...and this PROVES that Connally, YES, Connally has shot him.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Do you see the smoke above JFKs head? And did you listen to Nellie? Blind? Death?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
"Did you listen to Nellie?
WHAT???
You want me to listen to Nellie?...according to you she had to know about Connally FAKING being shot!
YES OR NO?...you can't have it BOTH WAYS...PICK ONE!!!
And I hate to break this to you...and I hope you are sitting down...but if JFK has just been shot with a 6.5mm round traveling at 2100 feet/second and just had his scalp and brain matter blown out, the effects of it WILL NOT be GUNSMOKE....understood? YES OR NO?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Nellie testifies, that J Connally wasn´t hit simultaneously with JFK. But Connally was faking. So, what can I do for you, bigmouth?
Do you see the smoke above JFK´s head? It´s from the gun fired from near. Do you see it, or do you still want to claim that it was something different? 2:0 FlowTrainer.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
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FlowTrainer 9 months ago
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@pajasa62 No, you need more. FlowTrainer says, that´s right. Aaaand Nellie does, too. She knows that her John wasn´t hit by the first bullet, though Connally was faking being hit. Watch: "JFK Assassination John & Nellie Connally On Larry King"
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
Hey Everybody...watched the Zapruder film!...FLOWTRAINER has proven Connally has murdered JFK!. Shuttlebuses are now leaving for Texas so we can all spit on Connally's grave for murdering JFK!
Contact FLOWTRAINER for the bus schedule.
pajasa62 9 months ago
Then what is this "proof"? It isn't captured on film nor have any eyewitnesses, nor anyone coming forward, nor any circumstantial nor physical evidence...
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Oh, no answers, but a single question. On the Zapruder-film you and everybody else can see a white puff of smoke above JFK´s head. Right? Can YOU see it?
This is proof for a shot from short distance -and- from the front! So there are only two persons in shooting-position at this second: Connally and Greer. What a coincidence that both hold their hands like their could have been a gun on the not altered film.
Further more, earwitness from persons standing near the car in the moment of
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
WOW for 47+ years nobodies noticed this...amazing! Hey everybody! Connally and now Greer killed JFK! Amazing! Flowtrainer has done it! Everybody congratulate him! This is the most shocking discovery since the opened up King Tut's tomb! Let's see how much traction this discovery od Flowtrainer gets! I am sure everybody on ALL these JFK sites will change their opinion...Let's go to Texas and spit on Connally's grave...How could he have killed JFK? GOD BLESS FLOWTRAINER...MY HERO!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 How much time do you want to waste?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Please flowtrainer...finish your sentence..you are talking about the "not altered" Zapruder film which you have seen...then you talk about "earwitnesses near the car"....what did they hear that they did not see? ...can you post the non-altered Zapruder film that you have seen?...please FLOWTRAINER...teach me! I want to learn!
Please tell me about the bus shuttles to Connally's grave...I want to spit on the assassin headstone too!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Can YOU also see the white puff of smoke above JFKs head? Please answer with "no" or "yes". Thank you.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Please do not call flowtrainer "retarded"...he is NOT!...he is mentally ill and needs help.
"white puff of smoke above JFK's head" (proving a shot from Connally's gun)
JFK had a chunk of his scalp and brains blown out....I guess they just magically disappeaerd....right flowtrainer? ...
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 you ask, "what earwitnesses hear, what they can not see"? - Do your homework! Read the testimonies in the Warren-Report! There are at least six witness, who heared shots from inside the car!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Hey flowtrainer...you say Connally faked being shot...Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds on him (entrance on the back...exit through his chest...entrance and exits through the wrist...and a wound barely penetrating his thigh)....ANY IDEAS?......Please share with the world.
pajasa62 9 months ago
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@pajasa62 Can YOU also see the white puff of smoke above JFKs head? Please answer with "no" or "yes". Thank you. Answers, please!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 You ask: "Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds?" - don´t know. For what should that be important to know? The plotters did a lot to lead you on the wrong way...!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
"Why would the plotters fake such a complicated set of wounds on Connally"
Flowtrainers answer: "Why should that be important?"
WHY? Because these are the questions you have to answer if you want to be honest with yourself!
Forget about the COUNTLESS people involved in a coverup of Connally faking being shot...but to give him a shot through the back...exiting his chest...passing through his wrist & barely penetrating his thigh? When ONE WOUND would suffice?? Just plain stupid.
pajasa62 9 months ago
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@pajasa62 Can YOU also see the white puff of smoke above JFKs head? Please answer with "no" or "yes". Thank you. Answers, please! Nobody needs your tons of jabbering. Just answer a single question.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 On the one hand, there is a "official" theory, which obviously does not fit, because of F A C T S, e.g. the puff of smoke above JFKs head. On the other hand, there is a theory, which does fit, but is less proofen. To find evidence for the fitting theory is not my task. Pajasa62, this is not a courtroom. It´s youtube, where everybody is allowed to tell his opinion. So I do not have to show "proof", but I do want to share a thought and an observation with the other guys here.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
You capitaliize the words "FACTS" in reference to "a puff of smoke above JFK's head"???
I suggest you look at ALL, not some, ALL the eyewitness accounts that were close to the limo on Elm St....you will see that it is not "smoke", but his head being destroyed by the impact of a bullet.
Sure! You can give an opinion and observation, but in the end don't you want to be accurate?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Aaah, don´t wan to see the facts. That´s typical for the fans of "official" lies.
And for that they create a new type of gun, which pulverizes brain into dust, which looks like smoke... No further questions. Thank you.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 If you want to be accurate, then watch the film of Marie Muchmore. The smoke comes from a position lower an din front of JFKs head. The smoke then rises about 30 inches before it disappears. That observation fits perfect to the theory of a shot from near.
You should be precise in your statements. To say "I suggest you look at ALL, ... eyewitness ... you will see that it is not "smoke"... ." is inappropriate for a discussion. On which aspect of the testimonies do you want to refer?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 ...perhaps you mean the testimony of Bobby Hargis?, who was splattered with blood and brain matter?
What do you think? Would this "bloody water" appear on a picture or film? Look like white smoke? Would the movement of this cloud of little water-beads be like ... smoke? Caused by an explosion of the head, would it appear only on one side of the head? - No, no, no, none of all of that ever was observed in this world! So, do you see the smoke? FACTS or fiction for deference to authority?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
So tell me ...what is an explosion of someones scalp and brain matter with regard such a shot, SUPPOSE to do?
You ACT like you are presenting some weird type of proof...backed up by NOTHING, but the type of observation that I'd expect from someone that's blind.
But then again you have the "luxury" of forever adding conspirators to this plot of yours, whenever you are confronted with material that makes your "Connally faked his own shooting and shot JFK", look silly.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Hahahahahaaa. Now again lots of jabbering and name-calling? 1:0 FlowTrainer!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Sad. I'm not here to humiliate you, pal. I almost feel sorry for you, aside from the fact that your in facing-saving mode.
Curious, how many conspirators do you think it took for your LSD-inspired "Connally faked being shot and he was the one that shot JFK"...Can you throw an.....eeehhhh....educated guess at me?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Let's here it pal...defend your bullshit....I'm all ears.
You want to lay out provacative statements and accuse someone of murder...Come on man, prove it.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 FACTS mean name-calling for you? So, do you see the smoke?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Hey, where is your answer? Can´t see the white smoke? Blind?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 You can not give the answer?, because your clear "Yes" would mean, that the whole theory you build up your roaaaring, is wrong! Scientific research means: If one piece of a theory does not fit, the whole theory must be wrong. So, your answer please. Do you see the white puff of smoke above JFK´s head? - Yes, you do - and it can only be explained by a shot from inside the car! Bye, bye loudmouth!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Truthfully, I feel sorry for you in the end.
I fguess you are just trying to save face at this point. I feel embarassed for you if you think that "smoke" not coming from a gun, but being thrust out of someone's HEAD is a sign that Connally shot JFK (while not even looking at him), when ALL accounts from Dealey Plaza to Parkland to Bethesda had JFK missing scalp and brain matter.
Your attempt at amateur ballistics and forensic pathology is pretty silly
pajasa62 9 months ago
Hey Connally. Great loss for Hollywood. Most of the people still believe that you were shot, though it is clearly to see in the Zapruder, that you move your left shoulder upwards to take your gun from the right hip.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
HE LYING WIT A STRAIGHT FACE.
simon10177 9 months ago
I can't believe some of the nonsense I read on here about conspiracies. People criticize others and then come out with the kookiest stuff I've ever heard.
robstones1968 10 months ago
@robstones1968 If we can put men on the moon, run robots around on mars, how come we can't tell exactly when Connally was shot in the back?
SCGATOR2001 10 months ago
@SCGATOR2001
If you had done your research you would know that Connally was shot by the same bullet that pass through Kennedy. It's easily noticeable on the zapruder film...so in fact we CAN exactly say when Connally was shot
captainkavern 9 months ago
@robstones1968
I know...these people act like they are going to get a prize or something for having the most imaginative scenario. They have no intention of treating this as an historical event that happened ONE WAY.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62
I totally agree. T
captainkavern 9 months ago
@CT2507 Uhhh, no, I don´t think so. The actions of Connally and Greer are synchronized to the sounds of the shots from the grassy knoll. That´s too much coincidence to be true. They both looked at him, targeted him immediately before the shots. They both lied about that in their testimonies and interviews: "I glimpsed over my shoulder, and I saw nothing/ the crowd." Both were in shooting position at the moment of the shots.
But Jackie, oh no....
FlowTrainer 11 months ago
that only adds to your own guilt
rocky9298 1 year ago
thats funny because i read somewhere that jackie said in a statement that the shot was from the front
TheDudleyheathens 1 year ago
@TheDudleyheathens "read somewhere" what the fuck you talking about. Funny, check your facts again.
blungo99 1 year ago
... hey Connally, you forgot the last shot, which came from your hand under your big texas-hat.
Watch the Zapruderfilm closely and you´ll see little but specifically moving white smoke, which cannot come from a distant gun. Right before this, you see Connally fixing the president, looking him right in the face. Then Connally turns away to his left by holding his hat in front of him (even though he should be hit by a bullet, which should have opened his hands by reflex). From under this hat...
FlowTrainer 1 year ago 3
@FlowTrainer hahaahahah big texas hat, thats good
TheDudleyheathens 1 year ago
@FlowTrainer Baby, you need to lay off the pipe
blungo99 1 year ago
@FlowTrainer hahahah
big texas hat lol
thats a good 1
TheDudleyheathens 1 year ago
@FlowTrainer i agree that the puff of smoke close to JFK's head is suspiscious. but there is another possibility. Jackie was the shooter. and Connally only turned to give her the sign! look into that. its not as crazy as it sounds..
cheers.
CT2507 1 year ago
@FlowTrainer
If you watch the Zapruder film you can see that Connally never had the opportunity to watch the president face to face. He was hit at the same time as the president, by the same bullet. And by the way, did you know that Connally kept his hat in is hand even after having been hit?
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern Yes, first of all: If you watch the Zapruder-Film, e.g. frame 276, then you see how Connally looks Kennedy right in the face.
Second: In the Zapruder-Film, you refer to, you see that Connally acts as if he was hit. But you never saw him being hit by any bullet.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
that is correct he was able to watch Kennedy in the face. you are right about that.
But you have to admit, the only time Connally reacts violenly to something is at the same time as Kennedy. (look at his jacket violently pushed forward.
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern Uhh, what a coincidence. What do you think? Would this explain your big observation: Connally heard the sound of shot, which hit Kennedy, and acted like a professional actor does. That´s all about the magic bullet.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer I think you have it. A shot on an angle described by many( right temple to the back of the head) with Kennedy's head position at the time would have been on an upward angle too steep for a sewer drain. Conally was left handed, his jacket was dry-cleaned before any investigation and his shirt went missing for 2 yrs(due to a souvenir hunter?) in the WC testimony someone who examined the jacket observed that a bullet passed through the inside pocket but not through the front.
wunderdoggy 8 months ago
@wunderdoggy
Curious, you say "I think you have it" regarding this guy thinking Connally faked being shot & he shot JFK.
Since you support it, maybe you can answer the questions that he refuses to answer.
Why would a plot to kill JFK, NEED to complicate itself by Connally faking to be shot?...bringing in secret service agents, doctors, nurses, x-ray techs & Nellie Connally, ALL perfectly going along with a coverup?
Why would they need to give Connally such a complicated set of wounds?
pajasa62 8 months ago
@pajasa62 Perhaps he is faking.I don't know. I've never seen any kind of proof he was injured. If he was hit, we know he was accidentally hit. If he had a gun under his jacket and under that hat(old cowboy trick)he might have shot himself under the arm when a sniper got him in the left thigh or the right wrist.It makes sense to have someone close to make sure, like Ruby with Oswald.You don't miss.As far as the Secret Service goes it takes one at the top.Everyone else is following orders.
wunderdoggy 8 months ago
@wunderdoggy
It's like talking to a child. The only thing you said that made any sense was "I don't know". Then you started mangling loose ideas that has Connally being part of the plot...yet putting himself IN THE LINE OF FIRE in a MOVING object...but wait!, maybe he shot HIMSELF apparently with QUOTE "the old cowboy trick"
SS agents in the lead & followup car still alive today (Hill, Landis & Lawson) sworn to protect the President merely go along a coup.
Expect their arrest anytime soon?
pajasa62 8 months ago
@pajasa62 Cont- As far as the Parkland doctors and nurses they all contradict the official version. The Bethesda doctors were bound by military order but have since broken their silence.
wunderdoggy 8 months ago
@wunderdoggy
"I have not seen proof that Connally was injured"
Hey kids...I don't have proof that Kennedy was killed either...maybe HE TOO faked being shot!
You have to love the standards of "proof" that the conspiracy theorists are WILLING to accept.
Nobody sees Connally shoot JFK...no problem.
No evidence in the Zapruder film...no problem.
Everybody going along with a coverup of Connally faking being shot and NEVER exposing it...no problem.
Nellie pouring fake blood on Connally...COOL!
pajasa62 8 months ago
@wunderdoggy Let´s say: "We got it." It´s a great challange to communicate this, cause one can come to this conclusion only by deep research. A lot of information has to be shown & a lot of disinformation has to be exposed. One part of the disinformation is the testimony of Connally, because of his status as a victim. The idea to act as being shot and the lie that he was wounded, were politically very clever. Until today for most people it´s hard to believe that, despite overwhelming evidence.
FlowTrainer 8 months ago
@FlowTrainer If you really believe this bull$h!t drivel that you are spewing, then you are most definitely an idiot.
rebelnomo 7 months ago
@rebelnomo oh, what an intelligent comment. Thank you, very much.
FlowTrainer 7 months ago
@FlowTrainer
I am not sure if I am understanding what you are claiming. Are you saying that Connally is faking being hit by the bullet?
captainkavern 9 months ago
@captainkavern Yes, that´s what I mean. The shots from the Texas Schoolbook-depository and from the grassy knoll were fake, too. They were only fired to make noise, so nobody had "the time" to look at Connally closely.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Yeah, so Connally faked getting shot...he, his wife Nellie and all the secret service agents, surgeons, nurses, attending physicians, etc. ALL were part of the plot to kill and risk the electric chair.
Good! Keep it up! I want everyone to see how mentally unhinged you conspiracy theorists are.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Your "argument" left him unpunished. So think, how many secretservice-agents, nurses, ... are needed to a hospital bed? Would one single doctor be enough? Would one single order of the vice-president be enough? What do you think, how many doctors work in the military, who were convinced that it was necessary to kill Kennedy because of national security?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Why should Nellie be part of the plot? What do you think, she got to see from the gunshot wound? A patch? and a small scar... Nellie was the perfect woman for a killer: naive, deaf, always friendly and inflexible in faith in the goodness. She would never call into question what "her" John says.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
You are either nuts or painfully naive and ignorant of details.
Surgeons for Connally's different wounds included Dr's. Shaw, Shires, Osborne and Parker...REAL PEOPLE - who according to you must be part of the conspiracy...and willing to risk the electric chair.
Then you act like Connally's wounds were akin to a paper cut and even gthough Nellie is Connally's wife and shared the same bed with him up until the time of his death, she never noticed the non-existant gunshot wounds!
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Wow, maybe you also know the names of the "REAL PEOPLE" who altered the medical evidence? Should be Drs Shaw, Shires, Osborne and Parker?, who would have risked their life otherwise!
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Don´t know, if Nellie did medical examinations to find out if the scar at Connallys back was really caused by a gunshotwound. Maybe you took part in their bedroom-scene?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Typical childish answer from a conspiracy theorist...you want a cast of 100's of people going along with the plot (some only CASUALLY)...willing to risk the electric chair, but apparently it is worth it for them!
By the same pathetic standards of plausibilty and proof you use to say "Connally was not shot"...HEY! maybe JFK was not shot either! Maybe he just wanted to carry on his relationship with Marilyn Monroe who faked her own death!
It doesn't take much to peddle bullshit.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Hey, if It doesn't take much to peddle bullshit., why don´t you do it? Instead you become unfriendly rude. Missing arguments?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Your Repitition of the "argument": ... willing to risk the electric chair., ist rather weak, because they did it for "national security". They could expect no punishment. On the other hand they were threatened with death, if they did not cooperate. If you knew how "communication" works among politicians, you would understand that.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer Don't take it personal pal...if you can defend your bizarre "Connally was not shot and faked it" comment then DEFEND IT...I'm all ears.
Maybe you can tell why would Connally put himself IN THE LINE OF FIRE IN A MOVING OBJECT, for at least some point of the shooting?
Maybe tell me why a plot WOULD NEED to include Connally faking being shot??? Doesn't that seem like a ridiculous and totally unnecessary risk for the plotters to expose themselves to?
See if you can answer those...
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 ahh, of course. Now you don´t find arguments despite from "conclusions" like "... willing to risk the electric chair" oder "put himself in the line of fire"... you mean, that I should give all answers to the assassination - otherwise I´m all the things you call me?
Did you ever think about a military operation? Could you imagine a situation where one soldier must go first? Or did you hear of "storm of normandy"? How many soldiers had to put themselves in the line of fire, and died for
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 ... seems to me you have to put off your petty borgeois view on the world. No risk, no fun. If politicians and soldiers were thinking like you - we wouldn´t have any wars. Furthermore Connally did not put himself in the line of fire, because he knew that nobody aimed at him. That´s a difference, isn´t it? Who knows, he wore a bulletproof vest? His jacket did not look tailor-made. Watch closely, before you tell us more about your wild "conclusions".
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
I'm not calling you names...I am calling you precisely what you are ...retarded.
One sentence you say Connally is NOT in the line of fire in a moving object...the next sentence you have him wearing a bullet proof vest coming to the scientific conclusion that his jacket "does not look tailor made".
Again:
WHY WOULD CONSPIRATORS NEED TO INCLUDE CONNALLY FAKING BEING SHOT?....HOW IS THIS NECESSARY FOR KILLING JFK...AND WHY WOULD THEY TAKE THE UNNECESSARY RISK ?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 "UNNECESSARY RISK"? It worked perfect, because name-calling people like you can be deceived by that. To shoot from inside the car was the only way to kill him for sure on this day - and by the lowest risk. But, maybe you want to tell us the way to shoot from outside the car - without anybody "in the line of fire"? Please tell us! Oh, I´m sorry. You did not think about that? Aaah, now I got it. The president should drive alone... that´s perfect, hahahaaaahhh.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
So why does he need to fake being shot?
Be honest with yourself...you weren't thinking anyone was going to challenge you with this nonsense.
What purpose does it serve?
And why wouldn't Connally wait a mere 3 seconds to be under the seclusion of the underpass....you are blaming a phantom shooter anyway....right?
But instead he does it in front of the public (WITH CAMERAS)...which, oh by the way, no one records or sees him shooting.
Yeah, real persausive argument...
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Seems to me, you now really become mad. You mean Connally should have shot Kennedy under the triple overpass? Are you completely out of order?
If he had shot there, anybody would have known that somebody shot from inside the car. It is quite simple, so please...
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Oh now your MR. REALITY all of a sudden...or are you? Because he is still shooting him in front of people and cameras. Poor Jackie, must have been SOOOO disappointed in John Connally...and she thought they were getting along so well! But I'm sure she realized the importance of the mission and kept quiet...GIVE US A BREAK!
And again, WHY WOULD CONNALLY NEED TO FAKE HIS OWN SHOOTING?
WHY DIDN'T ANYONE SEE HIM SHOOT?
WHY DOESN"T FILM OR ANYONE SEE A GUN?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 now you go crazy, eh? The pistol was under the hat, he held in front of his breast - that´s also quite simple. Your questions show that you did not do your homework regarding this case. Otherwise you would know that the last shots came almost simultaniously. It was impossible for Jackie to know where these shots came from, because it was too loud. That´s also already well known.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
Listen to this retard calling people crazy...you want to be the first kid on the block with your stupid "Connally faked being shot because he was shooting JFK"....Ever wonder why your argument has no traction?
Yeah...Connally shoots JFK, but Jackie doesn't hear it QUOTE, "because it was too loud"
Keep 'em coming...I could use the laugh!
OH,and by the way... the earwitness accounts taken AT THE TIME were 136 hearing 3 shots and only 6...SIX!!! hearing 4 shots.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Have you ever heard, that one gun can be loud and the other be almost silent? Never heard of that?
And if you looked closely to the testimny of those 6 earwittness, than you would have recognized that they all were in the near of the car! Only those people could hear all the shots, because the ones from inside the car weren´t that loud! Got it?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
I'm not here to dance on your grave my friend. You spat something out & simply didn't think anyone was going to challenge you. Your position is untenable and that's why you ignore questions posed to you...or live in an area of ambiguous comments WITH STILL no proof.
Why would conspirators give Connally so many different wounds (when one would suffice) to fake him being shot?
Why would there even be a need for a plot TO FIND IT NECESSARY to have Connally fake that he was shot?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Your question: "Why would there even be a need for a plot TO FIND IT NECESSARY to have Connally fake that he was shot?" ... and you know the answer, because it´s so easy for everyone to see: it´s his alibi.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
So how does he fire the 1st shot?.....DUUUHHH!
How does he fire the head shot without looking?...DUUUHHH!
How come the Zapruder film (from an elevated position) doesn't show a gun?...DUUUHHH!
Why do plotters NEED to have 7 wounds in his body, wrist, leg when one would suffice?...DUUUHHH!
Does Nellie pour vampire blood on him as he collapses into her lap?..DUUUHHH!
Clint Hill & Paul Landis, who lifted Connally unto a stretcher are still alive - Expect their arrest anytime?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 1st shot came from the DelTax-Building.
If you fix your target right before, like Connally did, it´s easy to hit from this short distance. Try it, it´s very easy.
What did Clint Hill & Paul Landis see? Blood on the coat? I think you beliebe that John Wayne was really hit, too!
Seems to me, it´s time for you to start thining. It´s not my job to start your brain working.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Now that your brain works, let´s ask soem questions. Where is Connally´s hat? Uhhh. Why was his jacket washed? Ohhhh. Why was the car cleaned? Aaahhh. Why did Greer almost stop the car? Iiihhhh. Your answers, please.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
I GAVE YOU EIGHT QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO DEFEND YOUR CLAIM....
AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER NOT EVEN ONE????
Then you come back with "Where is Connally's hat?" Are you serious?....Where is his shoes?...or his underwear?....
Then "Why did Greer almost stop?" .....HILARIOUS from a clown who says Connally faked being shot and was the one to shoot JFK....I answer you...If what you say is true...What does Greer have to do with it.
You're nothing more than an unhinged internet weirdo.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 "I GAVE YOU EIGHT QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO DEFEND YOUR CLAIM".
I don´t have defend my claim, because I have eyes to see and a brain to think with. That helps a lot, believe me!
But what about you? You answer what Greer has to do with it... that shows you didn´t do your homework and that it would be nice if you did.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@pajasa62 You call me "unhinged internet weirdo". That´s not nice. Let´s try to calm down. Only in the mood of inner calmness, you can find the truth, which is hidden behind the fakery of Connally.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
"I don't have to defend my claim" says Flowtrainer.
NO KIDDING man, no freakin' KIDDING!
You have absolutely ZERO PROOF and can only offer everybody under the sun...even Nellie Connally, as part of the plot or conspiracy to coverup....secret service agents, different surgeons, nurses, x-ray techs, attending physicians ALL in with the plot.
You are living in a video game mentality and have no intention whatsoever to treat this as an historical event that happened ONE WAY.
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 First of all. Read the lines below, then you will find, that part of your statement is a lie. I did not say that. Maybe you don´t want to see the proof. Remember: First of all, you have to do your homework. Otherwise, go home with your name-calling bad behaviour.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
How about answering some questions that I posed to you....I'm waiting.
I can hear FlowTrainer now...." I was just joking around....I can't believe someone is challenging me on my bullshit idea that Connally faked being shot and was the one to shoot Kennedy....shit I didn't even look at the Zapruder film before I spoke because Connally isn't even looking at Kennedy when JFK was shot....what do I do to save face....????"
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 "How about answering some questions that I posed to you....I'm waiting."
Just read the lines below.
But if you really stil expect that the murderer behaves as a child, you will never get any idea of that. Hey, is there anybody who expects, that Connally would have to look Kennedy right in the face to shoot him - from a distance of app. 50 inches?
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
@FlowTrainer
"He needs an alibi"
AND ALIBI FOR WHAT? I guess Jackie, Nellie Connally, Roy Kellerman and Will Greer need the same alibi.
An alibi for the 6th floors SNIPERS NEST? What?
pajasa62 9 months ago
@pajasa62 Connally´s alibi still works perfect, because too many people like you took his fakery for real.
FlowTrainer 9 months ago
He was unconscious during the final period of the assassination.
Its obvious from that and his trust and naiveté in trusting the federal powers that be, that he would be so easily convinced of only shots from behind the car.
seth917 1 year ago
@seth917 naiveté is you
blungo99 1 year ago
The Demon is a liar. He will mix truth with the lies to confuse you.
yankeepedaler 2 years ago
@yankeepedaler I love that song!
blungo99 1 year ago
You were in on it, Governor. What else are you going to say?
squirevet 2 years ago 7
@squirevet How can anyone say that the shot that blew the presidents brains out came from behind? It's impossible. The Governor is full of it.
darkoanton5 1 year ago
@darkoanton5 how is it impossible? you are full of "it"
blungo99 1 year ago
@blungo99 Clearly, it entered from the front. That's why the back of his head blew off and not the front. Can you not see that? The way The Warren Commission described it, the one bullet must have been a miniature guided missile. If you really believe The Warren Commission, then you're super gullible?
darkoanton5 1 year ago
@darkoanton5 No. If you don't believe that it was just Oswald that day then well, you're in denial. Too hard to accept the truth -- that a 24 year old loser like Oswald could kill a handsome president like Kennedy. But he did. All by himself. Most cannot face the fact. It's a psychological issue, but understandable.
Cathie8791 1 year ago
@Cathie8791 What did he use a guided bullet? You're the one in denial. It's pretty obvious from which direction the shots came from.
darkoanton5 1 year ago
@Cathie8791 The only psychological issue here is your lack of an intellect. The night before the killing, JFK and LBJ got into a heated argument over the seating in the motorcade. LBJ wanted his enemy, Texas Sen. Yarborough in the limo with JFK, instead of his friend Connally. JFK refused saying protocol dictated the Governor ride with him. Now why on Earth would it matter to LBJ on who sat with JFK? And don't forget Connally screaming, "My God, THEY are going to kill us all during the shooting.
squirevet 1 year ago