I believe in God, but as a former Christian/Catholic, I do not believe in messiahs or prophets, nor that God is a "person" as they believe. You state your case very well, FightingAtheist. I think what's wrong with religion today is that believers do not bother to seek solid provable evidence of the existence/nature of God.
The Bible has been hacked about by that many humans eg Roman emperors popes kings etc. Its all just a way for keeping the great unwashed masses in line. More truth in Disney cartoons.!
and he wasn't willing to die for his belief. Your disbelif is based on chrisianty belief, if you investigate further I think you'll see that Jesus never even wanted to Die and most likely did not die on the Cross
well you should believe he's a normal man...cause he never claimed to be God. He's A son of God...Which means in biblical terminology: a man of God.
basiclly what I'm saying don't blame Jesus (PBUH) blame those who wrote about him claimin all those crazy things. He a man of God, not luntic or delusional. :)
not here to dispute whether jesus exisited or not im talking about lourdes ive read a man went in to the water there with no legs and came out with legs wtf also people have been cured of many other debilitating diseases maybe the human mind has the power to cure because unless u are retarded i would hope u will know that people have electricity in their bodies so we could generate a power to cure with elctromagnetism also matter cannot be created or destroyed hence eternal life ask a scientist
A Roman wrote about jesus 55 years after his death. It's hearsay, and it will not hold up in court. Jesus did not exist, nor is there any Roman record written about how the Romans put the so called jesus to death.
@steelbrushtattoo ...umm Most of our history isn't basd upon the time it happend..we're talking about historyy here.
for example we have nothing during the of the Alexander the Great. it took 400 years for somebody to write a book about this personality..same thing with ancient egypt and many ofther historical figures and civilization.
That's y it's call history. somebody else searche and found then wrote
@TheFazproductions Someone wrote about a story about a guy named jesus, but it dose not mean it's true. The bible is full of tall tales about an ark, the red sea, a talking donkey, etc. It's just crazy stuff that people use to make people obey their commands with the fear of hell. I think people who scare their kids with hell should be punished for abuse. The more I read the bible the more crazy it was. I am convinced it is a sick book written by disturbed people who should of went to jail.
The works of Philo Judaeus born 20 BC and died 50 AD; the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time, he lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of a Jesus 'the Christ.' Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's writings, nor from the historian Pliny.
@sammyandrocko im pretty sure jesus did exist, but he was a man that went around lying to people telling them he was the son of god and had magical powers.
@WowItsEj the evidence to even his existence is extremely questionable. This video demonstrates it Tacitus was born some 25 years after jesus death, so how exactly can his testimony be valuable. No singe writing is authored by anyone who actually bore witness to the supposed life of Jesus. Also the name Christ didn't exist until a few centuries later, though some people claim his true name was Yeshua. Also people quote taticus and josephus as non biblical writers ... cont
@WowItsEj it is entirely possible that these early "writings" were either forgeries (there is a strong case that the passages about christ from josephus don't match the writing style of all his other pieces, so it could be merely a fraud) Now in that area the people were particularly adamant about documenting events. Yet no one ever documented jesus even being crucified let alone marching into the temple and starting a riot. I'd say the likelihood of his existence is about 75no/25yes
@WowItsEj And on top of that there are plenty of other demi-gods/messiahs depicted in history that follow the same definition of Jesus. Horus for example has almost exactly the same story as JC word for word and he was written about 4 centuries before Jesus was even supposedly born. There's also mithra, krishnu and many many more that fit the same bill. To me the jesus fable was just the one that caught on the best, probably had the best marketing behind it. I don't think he existed
Oh yea and I would encourage you not to believe in Jesus so when you finally do believe in Him, it will be revelation of Jesus Himself and not your own puny mind deceiving yourself momentarily for a sense of security.
Dearest Atheist, Your first mistake was to say you are a former christian and you do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus, you are a blatant liar. You must have never been a christian. To have been a christian you would know for certain the resurrection and indwelling life of Christ which makes you Christ like. You are a liar - You never have been a true Christian that experienced the reality of Christ in you or you have and are possessed now and are lying about what you truly believe. Check
Jesus most definitely did NOT exist. Not even a historical version. Apologists have been injecting so many made up stories about there being historical proof of the guy that it is just accepted as a default in our society, even by atheists, that "Hey, the guy probably did exist, even if everything written about him is bullshit". He DIDN'T. Check out jesusneverexisteddotcom...
An intelligent person would realize how insignificant they are, how small their mind is compared to that of the universe, and start living their life for and preparing to meet God according to His terms; or continue on to Hell's oblivion, He's not interested in self righteous fools.
There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus ever existed. Mathew, Mark Luke and John were not written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Paul had delusions. Josephus and Tacitus are not first hand eyewitnesses. We only have stories. Not even a single eyewitness testimony which would be useless anyways since we have all kinds of people living today who can give their eye witness testimony of UFO abductions, pink unicorns and tooth fairies.
Because you atheists like facts over truth, FACT: There is no recorded history of Jesus' body being found. "Okay so his followers stole his body then." FACT: 11 of his apostles died as martyrs, and this can be supported with historical evidence. FACT: The attitude of the apostles changed profoundly after the Resurrection, the Ascension, and Pentecost. So did Jesus rise from the dead? Or did he just do a good job finding 11 deranged people to die for nothing?
@DocReasonable Even if I had the historical documents with me I couldn't post them to YouTube but I trust my teachers. How do you know that your concept of the world is correct? If I asked you to back that up could you give me anything better than: "I trust my teachers"? Oh and next time choose your words carefully because other people could be more upset being called a nutjob.
@DocReasonable Again, if your goal is to convert others to the "enlightened" side, insulting them isn't going to help. We all need to realize that our goal shouldn't be to convert others, because that seems arrogant to most people, but our goal should be to help others make good decisions, no matter what religion they are. Atheists claim they are the most tolerant group, but I have yet to see an atheist who doesn't insult Christianity. And look at me. Have I insulted you in any way?
Quran confirms that Issa Iben Maryam pbuh "Jesus son of Mary" that he was able to cure those who suffer vitiligo by God's leave as one of his miracles.my question:Why did the Quran chose the cure of vitiligo,as (Jesu's) miracle above all other ancient diseases from that era,such as Smallpox and leprosy?as you know that there's NO cure for vitiligo up to this second.Was the vitiligo cure a perfect choice for (Jesus's) miracle so far or not?Is the Quran choice of vitiligo cure still valid or not?
@TheBenghazison My dog started howling at a passing ambulance, just now. I could swear his howling sounded like he was reciting, " la ilaha illa allah, wa mohammed rasoul allah". Then he turned around and started to lick his ass. I think it was to get the taste out of his mouth. ; )
Christians do not believe that Jesus had "magical powers".
Christians believed that Jesus is God. So what if He exercised His Divinity in human nature? The creator of the universe can do whatever He wills to His own creation. It is nothing to Him. We have contemperory evidence that Jesus lived, died and rose again after 3 days, and were willing to die.
We have also evidence of hostile sources of events described in the Gospels such as His miracles.
According to Paul, jerkus never existed on earth. He made his 'sacrifice' in the 'heavenly realms'. Heb. 8:4, "If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law". For that statement to have any 'sense', jeebus 'came' and made his 'sacrifice' in the heavenly, spiritual world, where such an event would be efficacious. ; )
@orlando098 You tell him! Especially since Tacitus wasn't born until 56 CE and died in 117 CE. I don't believe a one year old child could write about events that supposedly occured when he would have been 8 years old. ; )
@yeshuahfullofit Like any historian Tacitus wrote of events commonly reported by everyone at the time. The point is Tacitus is contempery to these events and are included as evidence by "Historians".
@Surfxeo Tacitus was born in 56/57 CE, and cannot in any way be considered a "contemporary" of jerkus. He did not live in the area, and this was before YouTube. The ONLY information he could possess was 'hearsay'. Thanks for playing. ; )
@yeshuahfullofit Tacitus is contemporary to the time of when the New Testament was written, Tacitus is not the only 1st century evidence that confirms what the Gospels reported but there is a wide variety of plurality of the sources to read from.
Your responce in saying it was hearsay is in fact heresay itself. You are painting your own 21st century Post-Modernism bias back into history. Why not remove your own personal biases and only use the historical evidence from the earliest sources
Pliny the Younger mentioned 'christ' in 106 AD, when outlining how he punished 'evil' christians. The others you mention all wrote decades or centuries after 'christ'.
Tacitus mentioned 'chrestus' in 116 AD, and called christianity 'a most mischievous superstition' at that time. Likewise the others are from 100+ years later.
@DocReasonable Where did you get evil from? That's exactly what the Nazis were calling the Jews! Pliny did not "punish" Christians as you put it but was part of the beaurocratic machine of Rome for persecuting Christians started by Nero. What we find in Pliny's writing is what is described in the NT and confirms the writings as authentic. But this is only one of many. Do not forget that Christianity was persecuted by Rome from around 50 AD by Roman accounts in this period.
@DocReasonable Why do you think Christianity didn't exist then? Especially since respected historians such as Tacitus wrote about it. But if you do think that, when exactly did Christianity come into being then? I'm just interested to know since although I'm not Christian, I don't think you can maintain that position
@DocReasonable Why the vicious attacks?As for Tacitus, he was writing in the early 2nd century;that is a few decades after the event but that is not unusual at all for many ancient sources write 500 years after the event! I think it is easy also to underestimate the strength of the oral tradition back then.At least we are in agreement that Tacitus wrote about Christianity, although you think the fact age in itself has very signicant bearing on truth, which begs the questions why?
@TheGamanic 'As for Tacitus, he was writing in the early 2nd century;that is a few decades after the event'
More like 90 YEARS after the supposed events, you numbskull.
There are NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus, despite him supposedly being famous all through the Holy Lands, known to the authorities and public alike. He allegedly had thousands of witness including scribes to his miracles, YET NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WROTE A WORD.
@DocReasonable Still you have this assumption that time necessarily decreases the validity of the evidence, which is not necessarily so. From someone who studies ancient history, you have to realise that not all sources come immediatedly after the event, there is often a time delay (sometimes this can be perceived to be quite a long time for modern people) and eyewitness also don't accounts don't often survive. There are many figures in classical antiquity who we have no cont.
@DocReasonable cont. eyewitness accounts for, many of whom are very famous. As someone who is not a Christian, and thus doesn't believe the miracles happened, it would not be out of place that no scribes would write about him. First, Christianity was a small cult, few others would be interested in it or in a man who was on the fringes of soceity. Nor does the fact they saw it mean they had to write it down. Also evidence often doesn't survive for reasons unknown
@TheGamanic 'Christianity was a small cult, few others would be interested in it or in a man who was on the fringes of soceity.'
DUMBASS.
Matt: 4:25 -- 23 'And he went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom among the people. His fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him those oppressed by demons,and he healed them. 25 And great crowds followed him from Jerusalem and Judea, and from beyond the Jordan.'
Luke 12:1 -- 'Meanwhile, the people had gathered by the THOUSANDS and were trampling on one another. Jesus began to speak first to his disciples. Watch out for the yeast-that is, the hypocrisy-of the Pharisees!'
Luke 5:15 -- 'Yet the news about him spread all the more, so that crowds of people came to hear him and to be healed of their sicknesses. 16 a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear... '
@DocReasonable Most of the thousand would have been illiterate anyway and it doesn't necessarily follow that those who were literate in the crowd (if there were any at all) would write anything about it and it be more improbable that it survives. Furthermore,I suppose the guess of "thousands" was just that, a "guess" and probably far lower than that.
In the grand schemes of things,for example,compared to the imperial cults of say the emperor, Christianity was very small initially
The works of Philo Judaeus born 20 BC and died 50 AD; the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time, he lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of a Jesus 'the Christ.' Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's writings, nor from the historian Pliny.
@DocReasonable cont. For Jesus to be "invented" it implies that he didn't exist in the first place, which of course is very contentious and is opposed to the views of the vast majority of ancient scholars
No historian denies that Paul wrote Galatians and he was executed by the mid 60's AD in Rome executed under the Reign of Nero - Emperor (54 - 68 A.D.)
Most of the New Testament was written before 70 AD in Judea written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews.The culture context is in Judea and historical archeology being uncovered confirms many "details" that are only found in these documents.
"They declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honor of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery and adultery, to commit no breach of trust, and not to deny a deposit when called upon to restore it. "
After this ceremony it had been their custom to disperse and reassemble later to take food of an ordinary, harmless kind. But they had in fact given up this practice since my edict, issued on your [Trajan's] instructions, which banned all political societies.
"This made me decide it was all the more necessary to extract the truth by torture from two slave-women, whom they call diaconesses. I found nothing but a degenerate sort of cult carried to extravagant length." (Letter 10.96.7-8; tr. B. Radice)
@yeshuahfullofit Tacitus probably got his info on Jesus from Roman records or his education or both. Tacitus confirms that Jesus was executed by Pontius Pilate but that is it. Indeed, according to Tacitus Christianity was an evil superstition that disappeared after the execution of Jesus but broke out again and spread to Rome. Josephus mentions Jesus twice. The longer passage has a few interpolations but the genuine parts do report Jesus executed by Pilate.
@yeshuahfullofit The execution of Jesus under Pontius Pilate is about the only thing skeptical scholars know about Jesus with reasonable certainity. Many skeptical scholars have isolated sayings of Jesus but they only make up less than 15% of the Jesus quotes in the Gospels. Many skeptical scholars hold the rest of Jesus' sayings where never spoken by him and are myths. Only scholars who are believers accept the gospels as largely historical. I know of one who doubts Jesus existed. Robert Price.
Such a tempermental argument going on here that I am not sure if I want to post a comment or not. I'll pray over it. ................................................ OK! I got an answer! God said, " I don't fuck chicks! I like boys! I don't have a son. I ain't the one! ". Now, I know that confession may be upsetting to you xians, so I'll let you mourn your 'god' for thirty seconds. Tick-tock. Tick-tock Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Times up! Hah!! // The answer is: NO. ; )
@yeshuahfullofit yes you are. i'm glad you prayed for guidence to the "atheist gods". it's always important to pray.........wait a minute thats just called talking to yourself. i love going with fsm shit to.
@oregonatheist I lean towards the 'Invisible Pink Unicorn'. Think of its awesomeness! It has the power to be pink, even though it's invisible! Wow! ; )
@yeshuahfullofit and oregonatheist - this bickering over who is the real god is pointless. The Invisible Pink Unicorn is just a metaphor (yes, Oregon, a beautiful one). We have the good book, the Church of the FSM, proving His existence. RAMEN.
@oregonatheist yes the pink unicorn is filled with awesome, however the flying spaghetti monster is SO awesome he changes everything constintly and confusses science as well. followers of fsm get all the beer and strippers we want. praise ramen and his holy noodlness.
@oregonatheist Thanks! To appreciate the complete metaphor, check out the video "Duck Amuck' @watch?v=cH6i2Z6mTRE&feature=related. The whole 'buggs and daffy' interaction speaks of the relationship of god to man. Man, that sounds like a drag.... oh, it's also a funny cartoon! ; )
LMAO! so KenDyerJr posted false info on my channel, deletes my comments on his channel and then blocks me. the coward dosnt wanna hear the truth, he just wants to spread false info and lies
@marineboy090 KenDyerJr did the same to ME! Accused me of being something that I'm not. Made up tons of false shit about my position. Made tons of false shit about his position and how it is so highly accepted by the experts. Finally reveals that his ONE expert is NO expert at all. Has a Batchelors of Liberal Arts Degree from a school in Classics and studied Classical civilizations in Athens for one year. Claims she speaks 7 languages. Heck Pope John Paul 2nd spoke nine! Then banned me! An ass!
Also, the new testament was written by followers who interacted with Jesus first hand, how would "telephone" theory come into play if its directly from the witness? why is it that the sea scrolls were word for word accurate with the modern day bible? little more food for thought =)
@marineboy090 The 4 gospels didn't EXIST until the late second century, well over 100 AFTER the purported events took place. The first New Testament was published in 145 AD and guess what? NO Mark. NO. Matthew. NO Luke. NO John. The first historical mention of ANY of thise 4 books wasn't until 180 AD and they are proven to have been written in GREEK originally. Had they been written by "Jesus' apostles" they would have been written in Aramaic NOT Greek!! The 4 gospels are a FRAUD.
@KenDyerJr i suppose you can provide proof that they were written over 100 years after the death of Jesus?If you knew about Paul and his background, you would know how scholarly he was and that he fluently spoke Greek and other languages as well. I'm shocked that you wouldn't bring this up since you know so much.
@marineboy090 The 3 gospels contradict each other numerous times. but PAUL, now THIS is where it gets really interesting. PAUL doesn't know SHIT about Jesus. He makes no mention of anything from the 4 gospels. No miraculous conception, no virgin birth, no sayings, no miracles, no crucifixion, no resurrection, on and on down the line Paul KNOWS NOTHING about Jesus. And I'll repeat myself, the FIRST New Testament DOES NOT CONTAIN any of the 4 gospels (145 AD), over 100 years AFTER the "events"
@KenDyerJr calm down i heard you the first time. but i would like to address one thing at a time.. what proof do you have that the new testament was written over 100 years after Jesus?
@marineboy090 I am calm. The FACT that they weren't in the first New Testament says a lot, numbnuts!! And the FACT that nobody mentions any of the 4 gospels AT ALL until the year 180 AD says a lot too numbnuts!! Can you show me a reference to any of the 4 gospels from before the year 145 AD? Well then, I think it's safe to say that they didn't exist then, especially considering that they were NOT in the first New Testament!! GROW A BRAIN!! And by the way, there is no historical evidence for PAUL
@KenDyerJr in 1Timothy, Paul quotes Luke. therefore Luke's gospel had to be done and known enough for Paul and Timothy to quote them before Paul's death. When did Paul die? About 64 AD. In 2Peter, Peter refers Paul's letters. When did Peter die? about 65 AD. Numerous times, the Bible records persecution and records rules like Herod, Pilot, Caiaphas. July19 of 64AD Nero started a huge persecution of Christians. why was there nothing about it in the NT? maybe they were already finished?
@marineboy090 There is no historical evidence for Paul. Where did you get a date for his death? Out of the BuyBull? Quoting the bible to "prove" the Bible simply isn't feasible buddy. They could write whatever they wanted to write, and none of it's contents "proves" anything. But if you take the 4 gospels contents and compare it to ancient Egyptian religion and mythology, and other older Pagan religions and mythologies the TRUTH becomes clear, and that is that the story of Jesus is PLAGIARIZED.
@KenDyerJr Whats this? you want MORE evidence? ok then. in John, he writes about t the pool Bethesda. as in, as he is writing, there is a pool of Bethesda. The pool of Bethesda was destroyed in 70 AD you say? exactly!! more? how about the finding of the dead sea scrolls in 1972. what did they find? the gospel of Mark! SCHOLARS concluded that this COPY of Mark must have been completed before 50 AD!!! that's like 20 years AFTER the death of Jesus.
@marineboy090 i could write about the pool of Bethesda right now. Does that mean it exists right now? NOPE. That's not a logical argument, that a STUPID argument. You still haven't explained to me why the FIRSt New Testament DID NOT CONTAIN Mark, Matthew, Luke or John. It was published in 145 AD and NO GOSPELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where the fuck were they then? And how come there is NO HISTORICAL MENTION of any of the 4 gospels until the year 180 AD?
it seems that i have a brain after all. you on the other hand need to use your brain more efficiently. how about trying to disprove what i gave you. every one of them. and i got more evidence for you if thats not enough. you still gunna talk you "over 100 years" crap? theres more proof that its under 70 AD than there is proof that its over 100 AD.
@marineboy090 I've seen no proof at all that the gospels were written before the year 145 AD. As far as CONCRETE EVIDENCE is concerned, they were in fact written somewhere between 145 AD and 180 AD. They weren't written in 145 AD because the FIRST New Testament DOES NOT CONTAIN them. And besides, the story of Jesus is PLAGIARIZED from older myths like Horus, Dionysus, Mithras, Attis, Baal, the list goes on and on. Look up "Christ In Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" on YouTube.
@KenDyerJr How do you know the gospels were written between 145AD and 180AD!!! That is a real howler!! What scholars, what New Testament expert holds that view? Acharya S does but she is laugh at by ALL the real scholars who have a Phd in the field except Robert Price, Phd shows her little respect but Price is considered to be a "loose canon " by most critical scholars I've written. The gospels were written between 60 AD and 110 AD with John being possibly 2nd century. A fragment is dated 125!!
I dont get it. he admits that Jesus was born yet he dosnt look at how he was born and how the odds of him being born exactly as it was prophesied? wouldnt that contradict his belief a bit? In order for Houdini to have merit to his claims of being God, then he would have to fulfill over a hundred prophesies just about his birth. then get rejected because of his "magic" and tortured to death because of his belief. which i doubt he would do... just food for thought..
@marineboy090 I am a 44 year old man who has been studying this stuff IN DEPTH for the last 4 years and you sir, are a 19 year old PUNK who refuses to listen, which is why this "debate" is now CLOSED. you go ahead and keep on believing in your myth, ignore the undeniable evidence that the Jesus story was PLAGIARIZED and ignore all of the other REHASHED, PLAGIARIZED myths in the Bible as well (most of it is). Keep on believing what you want to believe. I'm not going to waste my time with you.
@KenDyerJr "has been studying this stuff IN DEPTH for the last 4 years" You've got to be joking!!! What in the hell have you been studying? Acharya S who is a fucking amature with NO credentials in ANYTHING!!! That woman can't get a job at any university teaching New Testament origins. She is a QUACK! Have you read Dr. Mack?, Dr. Ehrman?, Dr. Crosson?, Dr. Edwards?, Dr. Tabor?, Dr. Miller?, Dr. Borg?, Dr. Loisy?, Dr. Maccoby? and two dozen more I can mention, all critics of Christianty. Well??
@KenDyerJr Ah now you just hate to admit that you've been reading a bunch of amature quacks with NO repsect or credentials in Biblical scholarship and New Testament origins. Well my dick is not long enough to fuck myself but I'm guessing you can get yours up your ass about 5 inches. Throw away your Acharya S books and try "Who Wrote the New Testament, The Making of the Christian Myth" by Dr. Burton L. Mack. Dr. Mack is an atheist and an expert on Christian origins and "Q".
@boblackey1 Hey DIPFUCK, you insist that Jesus was real. What so-called "evidence" are you relying upon to back up that bogus claim? I've already been through all of the "evidence" on this board, and THERE IS NONE. What do you base your FIRM CLAIM upon? A magical unicorn who came into one of your dreams and told you about Jesus? Or do you just base it upon your ignorance based "blind faith"? Nevermind the FACT that the Jesus story is PLAGIARIZED, right?
@KenDyerJr "FACT that the Jesus story is PLAGIARIZED!? Who says that? YOU? What are YOUR cerdentials? Probably no better that AMATURE Acharya S. who is an expert in NOTHING!! Josephs Atwill says the Jesus story in the New Testament was made up by the Romans to trick the Jews in to finally accepting Ceasar and Josephus helped them. To Atwill Jesus never existed and Paul didn't either. And the entire New Tesatment was a shame written by the Romans and Josephus. So is Acharya S or Atwill right?
@boblackey1 Or is the theory of G. A. Wells correct as to how Christianity came to be? Or is it Jesus myther Earl Doherty? Doherty like you rejects Josephus' famous "TF" as a complete forgery but Atwill holds it was completely written just as is by Josephus who was working with the Romans on the myth? These are several more Jesus myth theories don't hold up and are accepted by NO real scholars and historians. YOU Ken Dyer, Jr, Acharya S, Earl Doherty etc are damn AMATURES and real scholars laugh
@KenDyerJr Also if you had been through all the evidence concerning a historical Jesus, you would be forced to accept a historical Jesus. The evidence you present is without support by almost ALL real scholars and historians with a Phd who teach the subject at universities around the world. Case in point that most Egyptologists rejejct the sensational claims made by Acharya S about Horus and Isis. Her reading into Egyptain texts is really just "spin" of her own design with a few who support. BS!
@KenDyerJr LMAO!!! youv been studying this for years and i (a 19 year old) took you out in a matter of hours! go rethink your life old man!! age has nothing to do with intelligence! the facts are there and you choose to ignore them!! you have nothing to say against my evidence because there is nothing TO say. so you bash! whatever! ROFLMAO!!
@KenDyerJr AND you delete my comments on your channel! your such a coward dude. you still need to grow up and cool that childish temper you got. your prolly the only 44 year old that i know that has ever used the term "numbnuts" or uses his age as an excuse to be right. you got some maturing to do
@marineboy090 You go ahead and think that you won something, punk. Meanwhile, I am sitting here laughing because I know the VERIFIED FACTS concerning the 4 gospels being PLAGIARIZED along with most of the rest of the Bible. I got bored with your idiotic, imbecilic arguments so I left. go ahead, believe what you want, PUNK BOY.
If your claims are that you don't believe Jesus arose from the dead, then Jesus' recovery itself must have been a miracle in itself since He was mortally wounded, pierced in the heart, hung on the cross & checked by Roman soldiers that He was already dead so they didn't break His legs. Plus that is something that Roman soldiers wouldn't do unless they were sure He was dead.
When people don't look at the facts properl, only then do they deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. You all believe but deny.
here is LITERALLY no evidence jesus existed. but there is evidence belief in jesus like 'spirit guides' happened in the prechristian jewish world. later, the gnostics
were people that only believed in a spiritual 'jesus'. a 'spirit guide' was probably the true cause of a later belief that was retrofitted with the idea of a living man for theological reasons. that billions still believe in spirit guides today is ample proof such any religion can be formed, sustained and mutated from myth alone
Let thou say it is a trick when ye see plagues that mankind have never seen before, let ye saith there is no God when wonders and powers are shown in greater displays than ever before and let mankind saith there is no Devil when the pit of Hell is opened into the dimension of man. woe unto all those who found not Zion in those days who rejected the Truth and fell to destruction by the Beast. Woe unto those who insult God thou knoweth not what ye say and are forgiven but consequence must come.
@ndrthrdr1 when what I speak comes ye shall know then what is meant, ye will be shocked and great fear will come pon you, careful when you make a mocking comment towards GOD. That invisable sky Wizard ye speak of will come in a day ye know not and burn the world just by his coming for his presence is like that of the Sun then ye shall know then who he is and ye will be brought up in judgement for all thoughts, actions and words spoken in your life.
Behold proof will come to all mankind soon and many who think themself wise and knowing shall be brought down, for even Christianity was corrupted by the Adversary and God no longer support it. Woe unto mankind for they have accepted lies and discerned not the truth nor do they know what is good and what is evil for they lable both falsely. I saith unto ye that soon cometh the Wrath of God that shall come from his Two Angels his Two Witnesses, The Tribulation cometh soon prepare ye now.
And, err, guys? Anyone back then who cared about the truth that much probably would have believed. Anyone who was not a Christian would have said almost anything to tackle it, yet we none of the historians at the time attempted to write disproof of Christianity. Anti-Jesus arguments are written about in the Bible, but are shown to be wrong, so... If Christianity could have been shown to be wrong, it would have been, but instead hundreds of people died for their beliefs.
So why was Jesus crucified if he was just a wise man, a good teacher, a humble sensible person who never claimed to be God? Also, had it ever occured to you that virtually all of his teachings are dependant on him paying the price for our sins? Also, is 20-30 years enough time (whilst people who knew him well are still alive) for his reputation to change that much? Me... not convinced.
i was trying to be respectfull in my origional response but someone(bob lacky) seems to think that most atheists believe that jesus existed. sounds more like your agnostic.bob you or your phd book mean nothing to me or my lack of belief. burton mack saying "he's pretty darn sure" proves nothing and you know it. atheist do not believe in god jesus or any other fictional character that you or a "skeptical" christian bible scholar seem to take as fact. you told me to wake up WELL fuck off .
although i don't agree with your arguement on jesus being a real person i did enjoy your well thought out presentation. my only question is why you call yourself "the fighting atheist"?. you explain in the end that you believe(believe being the key word) that jesus really existed. atheist either doubt or do not believe in the existence of jesus.
@oregonatheist I wish you would stop the lying. It is a damn lie that atheists either doubt or do not believe in the existence of Jesus. That is bull shit. Indeed MOST atheists DO believe Jesus existed as a man. Wake up man. Burton L. Mack, Phd is an athiest and one of the top skeptical Biblical scholars in the world. He wrote "Who Wrote the New Testament, the Making of the Christian Myth". Mack says it is pretty darn sure of some of the words that passed through Jesus' lips. Get real.
@Cottonmouth899 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Exodus 21:20-21
11 "A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet." 1 Timothy 2:11-12
Hmm by the way Jesus was Jewish (if he existed) some say no though... Not a jew... [ this is weird - lol ] didn't you know that? Well... there are some ancient (middle age I believe) paintings of the crucifixion of Jesus with UFOs in the background. Painted when man couldn't even fly. I think the world is a lot more interesting than what we learn in school. YouTube quite a new phenomenon can give us great many great answers ;)
Well isn't the important thing here to let those who believe, do so? We "clever" ones supported by some historians, we know so much, the Bible was written hundreds of years after what it's telling us about... A long time back then, much could be wrong and all the translations! So yes it's probably not correct, but let the faith belong to those who believe, it makes them happier.
@xyz112358132134 - I don't think the bible was written "hundreds of years after" events.
The New Testament was written after 70 AD and that includes the Pauline Epistles. The Romans wrote the entire book, from Matthew to Revelations. The synoptic gospels where written under the influence of Vespasian (the father) and Titus (the good son).
Gospel John, Pauline Epistles and Revelations where written under Domitian. Which is why the Holy Spirit is more "visible" in these works.
@Franknarfable Well that is horseshit!! The New Testament was NOT written by the Romans. That horseshit comes from that asshole amature hack Joe Atwill who has a Phd or masters in NOTHING!!! He is a damn hack and he knows it too. Galatains was written in 50 CE by PAUL!!!! I can provide a list of skeptical Phd scholars/experts to prove that which is as long as a basketball court!!! Just got three more Emails from skeptical scholars who are laughing their butts off at Atwill. Price is too!! HaHa
@boblackey1 - "Just got three more Emails from skeptical scholars who are laughing their butts off at Atwill" - NO-ONE CARES.
"Galatains was written in 50 CE by PAUL!!!! I can provide a list of skeptical Phd scholars/experts to prove that which is as long as a basketball court" - Make sure that list is written on soft paper so I can wipe my ass on it.
PAUL HAS ZERO HISTORICITY. Or perhaps you think he's Saulus?
@Franknarfable "Paul has zero historicity" That is a howler!! You, Atwill, Acharya S, Kenneth Humphreys and maybe one other amature (all of you are amatures including Atwill, Humphries and Acharya S) are being laught at for saying such a dumb thing.
Did Jesus Exist? Nope. There were several Jesus'. What we have is a somewhat 'consensus' on the Jesus 'character'. If there was only one 'jeebus', there would only be one church. Why so many different denominations? The very fact of different factions of xianity falsify jeekus' prayer to his father(god/himself)that as a sign to the world that he was who he said he was, all the believers would join as one. Xianity has never been joined as 'one', and never can be. Catholics, Mormons, Baptists,nah
You forgot one possibility in the intro: Jesus might have been more people who did certain things (maybe even stories from oral traditions). Later these deeds could have been ascribed to a single person. This is not uncommon. Examples of this kind of things are: Hercules, Thor etc.
I debate the existence of Jesus based on the fact that the documents relating to the trials and executions carried out during the Roman occupation of Palestine still exist and are complete and Jesus isn't in them. All other authors are writing as secondary sources, and some of those secondary sources...the Docetists... insist that Jesus was never made flesh. The fact is that the matter is so clouded that any solid proof either way is now impossible.
@1:13, For an example of this ongoing phenomenon, view ' Sunday Night - Inside Australia's Chilling New Cult (A J Miller) ', by YT username @Oct195 - watch?v=ML2Oa4Oigvo. May god b - less. ; )
Jesus(Jmmanuel) was real but the teaching were twisted. Jmmanuel did not die for anyones sin. He came to teach the ways of the Universe. There is no punishment after this life or the next. Read the Talmud of Jmmanuel.
I didn't know there was an argument about whether or not Christ existed. I've always assumed he did and that he's just a really good Criss Angel. I don't even see the significance of his existence to the debate.
I do not believe that Jesus ever existed.I do believe that he was invented as a composite of great and highly developed prototype.I walk on water myself every winter when I navigate the streets of New England.
Tacitus was NON-CONTEMPORARY not born until many, many years AFTER Jesus supposedly died. Also, the so-called Tacitus "source" passage didn't exist until the 15th century!! Nobody quoted it until 1400 years AFTER it was supposedly written!!!!! This is NOT proof of Jesus' existence, neither is Josephus, neither is Suetonius, neither is Pliny the Younger.
"Yes, there are a few Branch Davidians still around."
*Nervously sits up a bit more and glances around* ...For real?
SeedsOfHatred 5 days ago
Jesus is God.
greenhornet123 6 days ago
I believe in God, but as a former Christian/Catholic, I do not believe in messiahs or prophets, nor that God is a "person" as they believe. You state your case very well, FightingAtheist. I think what's wrong with religion today is that believers do not bother to seek solid provable evidence of the existence/nature of God.
4wheelerDJ 1 week ago 2
@4wheelerDJ If they did, there would be no believers xD
SeedsOfHatred 5 days ago
He had 12 disciples, so he did have some social status. He may have enjoyed this social status. Thats probably when he got good at his magic tricks.
carloskies 1 week ago
The Bible has been hacked about by that many humans eg Roman emperors popes kings etc. Its all just a way for keeping the great unwashed masses in line. More truth in Disney cartoons.!
skoman64 2 weeks ago
and he wasn't willing to die for his belief. Your disbelif is based on chrisianty belief, if you investigate further I think you'll see that Jesus never even wanted to Die and most likely did not die on the Cross
TheFazproductions 2 weeks ago
well you should believe he's a normal man...cause he never claimed to be God. He's A son of God...Which means in biblical terminology: a man of God.
basiclly what I'm saying don't blame Jesus (PBUH) blame those who wrote about him claimin all those crazy things. He a man of God, not luntic or delusional. :)
TheFazproductions 2 weeks ago
not here to dispute whether jesus exisited or not im talking about lourdes ive read a man went in to the water there with no legs and came out with legs wtf also people have been cured of many other debilitating diseases maybe the human mind has the power to cure because unless u are retarded i would hope u will know that people have electricity in their bodies so we could generate a power to cure with elctromagnetism also matter cannot be created or destroyed hence eternal life ask a scientist
shredmaster100 3 weeks ago
A Roman wrote about jesus 55 years after his death. It's hearsay, and it will not hold up in court. Jesus did not exist, nor is there any Roman record written about how the Romans put the so called jesus to death.
steelbrushtattoo 3 weeks ago
@steelbrushtattoo ...umm Most of our history isn't basd upon the time it happend..we're talking about historyy here.
for example we have nothing during the of the Alexander the Great. it took 400 years for somebody to write a book about this personality..same thing with ancient egypt and many ofther historical figures and civilization.
That's y it's call history. somebody else searche and found then wrote
TheFazproductions 2 weeks ago
@TheFazproductions Someone wrote about a story about a guy named jesus, but it dose not mean it's true. The bible is full of tall tales about an ark, the red sea, a talking donkey, etc. It's just crazy stuff that people use to make people obey their commands with the fear of hell. I think people who scare their kids with hell should be punished for abuse. The more I read the bible the more crazy it was. I am convinced it is a sick book written by disturbed people who should of went to jail.
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The works of Philo Judaeus born 20 BC and died 50 AD; the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time, he lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of a Jesus 'the Christ.' Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's writings, nor from the historian Pliny.
DocReasonable 3 weeks ago
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sammyandrocko 3 weeks ago
@sammyandrocko im pretty sure jesus did exist, but he was a man that went around lying to people telling them he was the son of god and had magical powers.
WowItsEj 3 weeks ago
@WowItsEj the evidence to even his existence is extremely questionable. This video demonstrates it Tacitus was born some 25 years after jesus death, so how exactly can his testimony be valuable. No singe writing is authored by anyone who actually bore witness to the supposed life of Jesus. Also the name Christ didn't exist until a few centuries later, though some people claim his true name was Yeshua. Also people quote taticus and josephus as non biblical writers ... cont
youbetzler 3 weeks ago
@WowItsEj it is entirely possible that these early "writings" were either forgeries (there is a strong case that the passages about christ from josephus don't match the writing style of all his other pieces, so it could be merely a fraud) Now in that area the people were particularly adamant about documenting events. Yet no one ever documented jesus even being crucified let alone marching into the temple and starting a riot. I'd say the likelihood of his existence is about 75no/25yes
youbetzler 3 weeks ago
@WowItsEj And on top of that there are plenty of other demi-gods/messiahs depicted in history that follow the same definition of Jesus. Horus for example has almost exactly the same story as JC word for word and he was written about 4 centuries before Jesus was even supposedly born. There's also mithra, krishnu and many many more that fit the same bill. To me the jesus fable was just the one that caught on the best, probably had the best marketing behind it. I don't think he existed
youbetzler 3 weeks ago
Lol at Marshal Applewhite.
PktMma 3 weeks ago
There are historical records that show that Jesus exited. Are you ignorant of facts?
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sammyandrocko 3 weeks ago
very sensible!Good!
rk2596 1 month ago
Oh yea and I would encourage you not to believe in Jesus so when you finally do believe in Him, it will be revelation of Jesus Himself and not your own puny mind deceiving yourself momentarily for a sense of security.
stormadvice 1 month ago
Dearest Atheist, Your first mistake was to say you are a former christian and you do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus, you are a blatant liar. You must have never been a christian. To have been a christian you would know for certain the resurrection and indwelling life of Christ which makes you Christ like. You are a liar - You never have been a true Christian that experienced the reality of Christ in you or you have and are possessed now and are lying about what you truly believe. Check
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Jesus most definitely did NOT exist. Not even a historical version. Apologists have been injecting so many made up stories about there being historical proof of the guy that it is just accepted as a default in our society, even by atheists, that "Hey, the guy probably did exist, even if everything written about him is bullshit". He DIDN'T. Check out jesusneverexisteddotcom...
palerider1775 1 month ago
FUCK YOU! BIGFOOT IS REAL :D
SgtSurrealBass 1 month ago
An intelligent person would realize how insignificant they are, how small their mind is compared to that of the universe, and start living their life for and preparing to meet God according to His terms; or continue on to Hell's oblivion, He's not interested in self righteous fools.
theetrue 1 month ago
@theetrue 'He's not interested in self righteous fools.'
Looks like you're DAMNED TO HELL THEN, fuckface.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable
Let me guess, you are not a real Doctor or Reasonable are you.
theetrue 1 month ago
@theetrue
Let me guess, you're mentally retarded. One doesn't have to be a doctor to work THAT out.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable
Can't get it right can you not real Doctor not real Reasonable; try harder.
theetrue 1 month ago
@theetrue
NO, you ARE mentally retarded in my professional opinion.
AND you're a fucking asshole to boot.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
DEAR SCIENCE AND HISTORY -
" the bible , torah , and koran will never be white european humans way of living . "
ukgreaterlondon 1 month ago
There is Life after death? only Jesus could be able to answer this question, unfortunately he is dead
narasimah 1 month ago
There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus ever existed. Mathew, Mark Luke and John were not written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Paul had delusions. Josephus and Tacitus are not first hand eyewitnesses. We only have stories. Not even a single eyewitness testimony which would be useless anyways since we have all kinds of people living today who can give their eye witness testimony of UFO abductions, pink unicorns and tooth fairies.
saburius 1 month ago
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saburius 1 month ago
You said Tacitus wrote about jesus in 55AD, he wasn't born until 56 AD, is this another miracle or did I hear you wrong?
davidbelkevitz1311 1 month ago
Because you atheists like facts over truth, FACT: There is no recorded history of Jesus' body being found. "Okay so his followers stole his body then." FACT: 11 of his apostles died as martyrs, and this can be supported with historical evidence. FACT: The attitude of the apostles changed profoundly after the Resurrection, the Ascension, and Pentecost. So did Jesus rise from the dead? Or did he just do a good job finding 11 deranged people to die for nothing?
VeritatemQuaerens 1 month ago
@VeritatemQuaerens 'FACT: 11 of his apostles died as martyrs, and this can be supported with historical evidence.'
WHAT historical evidence, liar? Ir did you mean HYSTERICAL evidence, as that's all I've ever seen from you nutjobs.
Come on, BACK UP YOUR CLAIM WITH FACTS.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Even if I had the historical documents with me I couldn't post them to YouTube but I trust my teachers. How do you know that your concept of the world is correct? If I asked you to back that up could you give me anything better than: "I trust my teachers"? Oh and next time choose your words carefully because other people could be more upset being called a nutjob.
VeritatemQuaerens 1 month ago
@VeritatemQuaerens 'Oh and next time choose your words carefully because other people could be more upset being called a nutjob.'
Try not to be such a fucking NUTJOB then, you brainless fuckwit.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
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@DocReasonable Again, if your goal is to convert others to the "enlightened" side, insulting them isn't going to help. We all need to realize that our goal shouldn't be to convert others, because that seems arrogant to most people, but our goal should be to help others make good decisions, no matter what religion they are. Atheists claim they are the most tolerant group, but I have yet to see an atheist who doesn't insult Christianity. And look at me. Have I insulted you in any way?
VeritatemQuaerens 1 month ago
Tacticus was born over 60 years after Jesus apparently died, he never saw or met Jesus and there are no official records of him.
BiddaBiddaCherryPie 1 month ago
Why would story teller invent the Jesus resurrection when Jews had no beliefs of a resurrection until the day of Judgment?
jonathanfater 1 month ago
Quran confirms that Issa Iben Maryam pbuh "Jesus son of Mary" that he was able to cure those who suffer vitiligo by God's leave as one of his miracles.my question:Why did the Quran chose the cure of vitiligo,as (Jesu's) miracle above all other ancient diseases from that era,such as Smallpox and leprosy?as you know that there's NO cure for vitiligo up to this second.Was the vitiligo cure a perfect choice for (Jesus's) miracle so far or not?Is the Quran choice of vitiligo cure still valid or not?
TheBenghazison 2 months ago
@TheBenghazison My dog started howling at a passing ambulance, just now. I could swear his howling sounded like he was reciting, " la ilaha illa allah, wa mohammed rasoul allah". Then he turned around and started to lick his ass. I think it was to get the taste out of his mouth. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit you're a comedian kid LOOL
TheBenghazison 2 months ago
Christians do not believe that Jesus had "magical powers".
Christians believed that Jesus is God. So what if He exercised His Divinity in human nature? The creator of the universe can do whatever He wills to His own creation. It is nothing to Him. We have contemperory evidence that Jesus lived, died and rose again after 3 days, and were willing to die.
We have also evidence of hostile sources of events described in the Gospels such as His miracles.
Surfxeo 2 months ago
Just please get off your knees and live. Do good to the world and yourself and look for no other purpose
aaalexaleman 2 months ago
According to Paul, jerkus never existed on earth. He made his 'sacrifice' in the 'heavenly realms'. Heb. 8:4, "If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law". For that statement to have any 'sense', jeebus 'came' and made his 'sacrifice' in the heavenly, spiritual world, where such an event would be efficacious. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
Tacitus wrote in about 116AD, about incidents in 64AD. He wasn' t writing in 55AD, as you said.
orlando098 2 months ago
@orlando098 You tell him! Especially since Tacitus wasn't born until 56 CE and died in 117 CE. I don't believe a one year old child could write about events that supposedly occured when he would have been 8 years old. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit correction: 'minus' one year old child...
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit Like any historian Tacitus wrote of events commonly reported by everyone at the time. The point is Tacitus is contempery to these events and are included as evidence by "Historians".
Surfxeo 2 months ago
@Surfxeo Tacitus was born in 56/57 CE, and cannot in any way be considered a "contemporary" of jerkus. He did not live in the area, and this was before YouTube. The ONLY information he could possess was 'hearsay'. Thanks for playing. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit Tacitus is contemporary to the time of when the New Testament was written, Tacitus is not the only 1st century evidence that confirms what the Gospels reported but there is a wide variety of plurality of the sources to read from.
Your responce in saying it was hearsay is in fact heresay itself. You are painting your own 21st century Post-Modernism bias back into history. Why not remove your own personal biases and only use the historical evidence from the earliest sources
Surfxeo 2 months ago
@Surfxeo
Pliny the Younger mentioned 'christ' in 106 AD, when outlining how he punished 'evil' christians. The others you mention all wrote decades or centuries after 'christ'.
Tacitus mentioned 'chrestus' in 116 AD, and called christianity 'a most mischievous superstition' at that time. Likewise the others are from 100+ years later.
FAIL.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Where did you get evil from? That's exactly what the Nazis were calling the Jews! Pliny did not "punish" Christians as you put it but was part of the beaurocratic machine of Rome for persecuting Christians started by Nero. What we find in Pliny's writing is what is described in the NT and confirms the writings as authentic. But this is only one of many. Do not forget that Christianity was persecuted by Rome from around 50 AD by Roman accounts in this period.
Surfxeo 1 month ago
@Surfxeo 'Christianity was persecuted by Rome from around 50 AD by Roman accounts in this period.'
WRONG, Christianity did not exist at that time, nutjob.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Why do you think Christianity didn't exist then? Especially since respected historians such as Tacitus wrote about it. But if you do think that, when exactly did Christianity come into being then? I'm just interested to know since although I'm not Christian, I don't think you can maintain that position
TheGamanic 1 month ago
@TheGamanic
Tacitus did not say a WORD about Christianity until the SECOND CENTURY you uneducated nutjob.
Jesus was not invented until the LATE first century.
Try again, loser.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Why the vicious attacks?As for Tacitus, he was writing in the early 2nd century;that is a few decades after the event but that is not unusual at all for many ancient sources write 500 years after the event! I think it is easy also to underestimate the strength of the oral tradition back then.At least we are in agreement that Tacitus wrote about Christianity, although you think the fact age in itself has very signicant bearing on truth, which begs the questions why?
TheGamanic 1 month ago
@TheGamanic 'As for Tacitus, he was writing in the early 2nd century;that is a few decades after the event'
More like 90 YEARS after the supposed events, you numbskull.
There are NO eyewitness accounts of Jesus, despite him supposedly being famous all through the Holy Lands, known to the authorities and public alike. He allegedly had thousands of witness including scribes to his miracles, YET NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM WROTE A WORD.
FICTION!!
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Still you have this assumption that time necessarily decreases the validity of the evidence, which is not necessarily so. From someone who studies ancient history, you have to realise that not all sources come immediatedly after the event, there is often a time delay (sometimes this can be perceived to be quite a long time for modern people) and eyewitness also don't accounts don't often survive. There are many figures in classical antiquity who we have no cont.
TheGamanic 1 month ago
@DocReasonable cont. eyewitness accounts for, many of whom are very famous. As someone who is not a Christian, and thus doesn't believe the miracles happened, it would not be out of place that no scribes would write about him. First, Christianity was a small cult, few others would be interested in it or in a man who was on the fringes of soceity. Nor does the fact they saw it mean they had to write it down. Also evidence often doesn't survive for reasons unknown
TheGamanic 1 month ago
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@TheGamanic 'Christianity was a small cult, few others would be interested in it or in a man who was on the fringes of soceity.'
DUMBASS.
Matt: 4:25 -- 23 'And he went throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom among the people. His fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him those oppressed by demons,and he healed them. 25 And great crowds followed him from Jerusalem and Judea, and from beyond the Jordan.'
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@TheGamanic
Luke 12:1 -- 'Meanwhile, the people had gathered by the THOUSANDS and were trampling on one another. Jesus began to speak first to his disciples. Watch out for the yeast-that is, the hypocrisy-of the Pharisees!'
Luke 5:15 -- 'Yet the news about him spread all the more, so that crowds of people came to hear him and to be healed of their sicknesses. 16 a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear... '
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Most of the thousand would have been illiterate anyway and it doesn't necessarily follow that those who were literate in the crowd (if there were any at all) would write anything about it and it be more improbable that it survives. Furthermore,I suppose the guess of "thousands" was just that, a "guess" and probably far lower than that.
In the grand schemes of things,for example,compared to the imperial cults of say the emperor, Christianity was very small initially
TheGamanic 1 month ago
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@TheGamanic
The works of Philo Judaeus born 20 BC and died 50 AD; the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time, he lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of a Jesus 'the Christ.' Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's writings, nor from the historian Pliny.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable cont. For Jesus to be "invented" it implies that he didn't exist in the first place, which of course is very contentious and is opposed to the views of the vast majority of ancient scholars
TheGamanic 1 month ago
@DocReasonable Yes it did! nutjob as you put it lol
No historian denies that Paul wrote Galatians and he was executed by the mid 60's AD in Rome executed under the Reign of Nero - Emperor (54 - 68 A.D.)
Most of the New Testament was written before 70 AD in Judea written by Jews, for Jews, about Jews.The culture context is in Judea and historical archeology being uncovered confirms many "details" that are only found in these documents.
You have evidence to deny this fact.
Surfxeo 1 month ago
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@Surfxeo 'Most of the New Testament was written before 70 AD '
WRONG AGAIN, you clueless lying retard.
Biblical scholars generally agree that the Synoptic Gospels were written between 68 to 110 AD.
Mark: c. 68-73 AD
Matthew: c. 70-100 AD
Luke: c. 80-100 AD
John: c 90-110 AD
And yet the gospels are written as if they are diary entries from the time of Christ. Such a FRAUD.
DocReasonable 1 month ago
@DocReasonable
Part 1
"They declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honor of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery and adultery, to commit no breach of trust, and not to deny a deposit when called upon to restore it. "
Surfxeo 1 month ago
@DocReasonable
Part 2
After this ceremony it had been their custom to disperse and reassemble later to take food of an ordinary, harmless kind. But they had in fact given up this practice since my edict, issued on your [Trajan's] instructions, which banned all political societies.
Surfxeo 1 month ago
@DocReasonable
Part 3
"This made me decide it was all the more necessary to extract the truth by torture from two slave-women, whom they call diaconesses. I found nothing but a degenerate sort of cult carried to extravagant length." (Letter 10.96.7-8; tr. B. Radice)
Surfxeo 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Tacitus probably got his info on Jesus from Roman records or his education or both. Tacitus confirms that Jesus was executed by Pontius Pilate but that is it. Indeed, according to Tacitus Christianity was an evil superstition that disappeared after the execution of Jesus but broke out again and spread to Rome. Josephus mentions Jesus twice. The longer passage has a few interpolations but the genuine parts do report Jesus executed by Pilate.
boblackey1 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit The execution of Jesus under Pontius Pilate is about the only thing skeptical scholars know about Jesus with reasonable certainity. Many skeptical scholars have isolated sayings of Jesus but they only make up less than 15% of the Jesus quotes in the Gospels. Many skeptical scholars hold the rest of Jesus' sayings where never spoken by him and are myths. Only scholars who are believers accept the gospels as largely historical. I know of one who doubts Jesus existed. Robert Price.
boblackey1 2 months ago
jesus was real he just wasn't the son of god
smallrossy 2 months ago
Such a tempermental argument going on here that I am not sure if I want to post a comment or not. I'll pray over it. ................................................ OK! I got an answer! God said, " I don't fuck chicks! I like boys! I don't have a son. I ain't the one! ". Now, I know that confession may be upsetting to you xians, so I'll let you mourn your 'god' for thirty seconds. Tick-tock. Tick-tock Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Times up! Hah!! // The answer is: NO. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit dude you rock!
oregonatheist 2 months ago
@oregonatheist "Ain't I a stinker?" -- Buggs Bunny XDD
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit yes you are. i'm glad you prayed for guidence to the "atheist gods". it's always important to pray.........wait a minute thats just called talking to yourself. i love going with fsm shit to.
oregonatheist 2 months ago
@oregonatheist I lean towards the 'Invisible Pink Unicorn'. Think of its awesomeness! It has the power to be pink, even though it's invisible! Wow! ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit and oregonatheist - this bickering over who is the real god is pointless. The Invisible Pink Unicorn is just a metaphor (yes, Oregon, a beautiful one). We have the good book, the Church of the FSM, proving His existence. RAMEN.
ApolloniusJr 2 months ago
@ApolloniusJr You will never enter into the Halls Of Valhalla with that attitude, I'll tell 'ya. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@oregonatheist yes the pink unicorn is filled with awesome, however the flying spaghetti monster is SO awesome he changes everything constintly and confusses science as well. followers of fsm get all the beer and strippers we want. praise ramen and his holy noodlness.
oregonatheist 2 months ago
@oregonatheist Did you say beer AND strippers?! I'm in! All Hail! the Most Awesome Flying Spaghetti Monster! I am now a devoted Pastafarian! ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit i really enjoyed the bugs bunny qoute...brilliant work.
oregonatheist 2 months ago
@oregonatheist Thanks! To appreciate the complete metaphor, check out the video "Duck Amuck' @watch?v=cH6i2Z6mTRE&feature=related. The whole 'buggs and daffy' interaction speaks of the relationship of god to man. Man, that sounds like a drag.... oh, it's also a funny cartoon! ; )
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
@yeshuahfullofit i am aware of the cartoon you refer too. get job.
oregonatheist 2 months ago
@oregonatheist XDD
yeshuahfullofit 2 months ago
Answer: Actual Son of God.
actually, GOD himself in the flesh.
Know More
Google: Identity of God Yahweh
SpiritWorldBlog 2 months ago
liked, and agree.
andrewdass02 2 months ago
LMAO! so KenDyerJr posted false info on my channel, deletes my comments on his channel and then blocks me. the coward dosnt wanna hear the truth, he just wants to spread false info and lies
marineboy090 2 months ago
@marineboy090 KenDyerJr did the same to ME! Accused me of being something that I'm not. Made up tons of false shit about my position. Made tons of false shit about his position and how it is so highly accepted by the experts. Finally reveals that his ONE expert is NO expert at all. Has a Batchelors of Liberal Arts Degree from a school in Classics and studied Classical civilizations in Athens for one year. Claims she speaks 7 languages. Heck Pope John Paul 2nd spoke nine! Then banned me! An ass!
boblackey1 2 months ago
Hmm,,, The author should really read Hegel's "Philosophy of religion"
giorgiv18 2 months ago
Also, the new testament was written by followers who interacted with Jesus first hand, how would "telephone" theory come into play if its directly from the witness? why is it that the sea scrolls were word for word accurate with the modern day bible? little more food for thought =)
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 The 4 gospels didn't EXIST until the late second century, well over 100 AFTER the purported events took place. The first New Testament was published in 145 AD and guess what? NO Mark. NO. Matthew. NO Luke. NO John. The first historical mention of ANY of thise 4 books wasn't until 180 AD and they are proven to have been written in GREEK originally. Had they been written by "Jesus' apostles" they would have been written in Aramaic NOT Greek!! The 4 gospels are a FRAUD.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr i suppose you can provide proof that they were written over 100 years after the death of Jesus?If you knew about Paul and his background, you would know how scholarly he was and that he fluently spoke Greek and other languages as well. I'm shocked that you wouldn't bring this up since you know so much.
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 The 3 gospels contradict each other numerous times. but PAUL, now THIS is where it gets really interesting. PAUL doesn't know SHIT about Jesus. He makes no mention of anything from the 4 gospels. No miraculous conception, no virgin birth, no sayings, no miracles, no crucifixion, no resurrection, on and on down the line Paul KNOWS NOTHING about Jesus. And I'll repeat myself, the FIRST New Testament DOES NOT CONTAIN any of the 4 gospels (145 AD), over 100 years AFTER the "events"
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr ha ha ha ha the 3 gospels. That was a typo.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr calm down i heard you the first time. but i would like to address one thing at a time.. what proof do you have that the new testament was written over 100 years after Jesus?
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 I am calm. The FACT that they weren't in the first New Testament says a lot, numbnuts!! And the FACT that nobody mentions any of the 4 gospels AT ALL until the year 180 AD says a lot too numbnuts!! Can you show me a reference to any of the 4 gospels from before the year 145 AD? Well then, I think it's safe to say that they didn't exist then, especially considering that they were NOT in the first New Testament!! GROW A BRAIN!! And by the way, there is no historical evidence for PAUL
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr in 1Timothy, Paul quotes Luke. therefore Luke's gospel had to be done and known enough for Paul and Timothy to quote them before Paul's death. When did Paul die? About 64 AD. In 2Peter, Peter refers Paul's letters. When did Peter die? about 65 AD. Numerous times, the Bible records persecution and records rules like Herod, Pilot, Caiaphas. July19 of 64AD Nero started a huge persecution of Christians. why was there nothing about it in the NT? maybe they were already finished?
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 There is no historical evidence for Paul. Where did you get a date for his death? Out of the BuyBull? Quoting the bible to "prove" the Bible simply isn't feasible buddy. They could write whatever they wanted to write, and none of it's contents "proves" anything. But if you take the 4 gospels contents and compare it to ancient Egyptian religion and mythology, and other older Pagan religions and mythologies the TRUTH becomes clear, and that is that the story of Jesus is PLAGIARIZED.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
No historical evidence for Paul? dude, that's just so ridiculous im not gunna give it any real attention
marineboy090 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr Whats this? you want MORE evidence? ok then. in John, he writes about t the pool Bethesda. as in, as he is writing, there is a pool of Bethesda. The pool of Bethesda was destroyed in 70 AD you say? exactly!! more? how about the finding of the dead sea scrolls in 1972. what did they find? the gospel of Mark! SCHOLARS concluded that this COPY of Mark must have been completed before 50 AD!!! that's like 20 years AFTER the death of Jesus.
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 i could write about the pool of Bethesda right now. Does that mean it exists right now? NOPE. That's not a logical argument, that a STUPID argument. You still haven't explained to me why the FIRSt New Testament DID NOT CONTAIN Mark, Matthew, Luke or John. It was published in 145 AD and NO GOSPELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where the fuck were they then? And how come there is NO HISTORICAL MENTION of any of the 4 gospels until the year 180 AD?
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
it seems that i have a brain after all. you on the other hand need to use your brain more efficiently. how about trying to disprove what i gave you. every one of them. and i got more evidence for you if thats not enough. you still gunna talk you "over 100 years" crap? theres more proof that its under 70 AD than there is proof that its over 100 AD.
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 I've seen no proof at all that the gospels were written before the year 145 AD. As far as CONCRETE EVIDENCE is concerned, they were in fact written somewhere between 145 AD and 180 AD. They weren't written in 145 AD because the FIRST New Testament DOES NOT CONTAIN them. And besides, the story of Jesus is PLAGIARIZED from older myths like Horus, Dionysus, Mithras, Attis, Baal, the list goes on and on. Look up "Christ In Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection" on YouTube.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr How do you know the gospels were written between 145AD and 180AD!!! That is a real howler!! What scholars, what New Testament expert holds that view? Acharya S does but she is laugh at by ALL the real scholars who have a Phd in the field except Robert Price, Phd shows her little respect but Price is considered to be a "loose canon " by most critical scholars I've written. The gospels were written between 60 AD and 110 AD with John being possibly 2nd century. A fragment is dated 125!!
boblackey1 3 months ago
I dont get it. he admits that Jesus was born yet he dosnt look at how he was born and how the odds of him being born exactly as it was prophesied? wouldnt that contradict his belief a bit? In order for Houdini to have merit to his claims of being God, then he would have to fulfill over a hundred prophesies just about his birth. then get rejected because of his "magic" and tortured to death because of his belief. which i doubt he would do... just food for thought..
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 I am a 44 year old man who has been studying this stuff IN DEPTH for the last 4 years and you sir, are a 19 year old PUNK who refuses to listen, which is why this "debate" is now CLOSED. you go ahead and keep on believing in your myth, ignore the undeniable evidence that the Jesus story was PLAGIARIZED and ignore all of the other REHASHED, PLAGIARIZED myths in the Bible as well (most of it is). Keep on believing what you want to believe. I'm not going to waste my time with you.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr "has been studying this stuff IN DEPTH for the last 4 years" You've got to be joking!!! What in the hell have you been studying? Acharya S who is a fucking amature with NO credentials in ANYTHING!!! That woman can't get a job at any university teaching New Testament origins. She is a QUACK! Have you read Dr. Mack?, Dr. Ehrman?, Dr. Crosson?, Dr. Edwards?, Dr. Tabor?, Dr. Miller?, Dr. Borg?, Dr. Loisy?, Dr. Maccoby? and two dozen more I can mention, all critics of Christianty. Well??
boblackey1 3 months ago
@boblackey1 Hey Bob, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr Ah now you just hate to admit that you've been reading a bunch of amature quacks with NO repsect or credentials in Biblical scholarship and New Testament origins. Well my dick is not long enough to fuck myself but I'm guessing you can get yours up your ass about 5 inches. Throw away your Acharya S books and try "Who Wrote the New Testament, The Making of the Christian Myth" by Dr. Burton L. Mack. Dr. Mack is an atheist and an expert on Christian origins and "Q".
boblackey1 3 months ago
@boblackey1 Hey DIPFUCK, you insist that Jesus was real. What so-called "evidence" are you relying upon to back up that bogus claim? I've already been through all of the "evidence" on this board, and THERE IS NONE. What do you base your FIRM CLAIM upon? A magical unicorn who came into one of your dreams and told you about Jesus? Or do you just base it upon your ignorance based "blind faith"? Nevermind the FACT that the Jesus story is PLAGIARIZED, right?
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr "FACT that the Jesus story is PLAGIARIZED!? Who says that? YOU? What are YOUR cerdentials? Probably no better that AMATURE Acharya S. who is an expert in NOTHING!! Josephs Atwill says the Jesus story in the New Testament was made up by the Romans to trick the Jews in to finally accepting Ceasar and Josephus helped them. To Atwill Jesus never existed and Paul didn't either. And the entire New Tesatment was a shame written by the Romans and Josephus. So is Acharya S or Atwill right?
boblackey1 2 months ago
@boblackey1 Or is the theory of G. A. Wells correct as to how Christianity came to be? Or is it Jesus myther Earl Doherty? Doherty like you rejects Josephus' famous "TF" as a complete forgery but Atwill holds it was completely written just as is by Josephus who was working with the Romans on the myth? These are several more Jesus myth theories don't hold up and are accepted by NO real scholars and historians. YOU Ken Dyer, Jr, Acharya S, Earl Doherty etc are damn AMATURES and real scholars laugh
boblackey1 2 months ago
@KenDyerJr Also if you had been through all the evidence concerning a historical Jesus, you would be forced to accept a historical Jesus. The evidence you present is without support by almost ALL real scholars and historians with a Phd who teach the subject at universities around the world. Case in point that most Egyptologists rejejct the sensational claims made by Acharya S about Horus and Isis. Her reading into Egyptain texts is really just "spin" of her own design with a few who support. BS!
boblackey1 2 months ago
@KenDyerJr LMAO!!! youv been studying this for years and i (a 19 year old) took you out in a matter of hours! go rethink your life old man!! age has nothing to do with intelligence! the facts are there and you choose to ignore them!! you have nothing to say against my evidence because there is nothing TO say. so you bash! whatever! ROFLMAO!!
marineboy090 3 months ago
@KenDyerJr AND you delete my comments on your channel! your such a coward dude. you still need to grow up and cool that childish temper you got. your prolly the only 44 year old that i know that has ever used the term "numbnuts" or uses his age as an excuse to be right. you got some maturing to do
marineboy090 3 months ago
@marineboy090 You go ahead and think that you won something, punk. Meanwhile, I am sitting here laughing because I know the VERIFIED FACTS concerning the 4 gospels being PLAGIARIZED along with most of the rest of the Bible. I got bored with your idiotic, imbecilic arguments so I left. go ahead, believe what you want, PUNK BOY.
KenDyerJr 3 months ago
If your claims are that you don't believe Jesus arose from the dead, then Jesus' recovery itself must have been a miracle in itself since He was mortally wounded, pierced in the heart, hung on the cross & checked by Roman soldiers that He was already dead so they didn't break His legs. Plus that is something that Roman soldiers wouldn't do unless they were sure He was dead.
When people don't look at the facts properl, only then do they deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. You all believe but deny.
Immortalsouls 3 months ago
here is LITERALLY no evidence jesus existed. but there is evidence belief in jesus like 'spirit guides' happened in the prechristian jewish world. later, the gnostics
were people that only believed in a spiritual 'jesus'. a 'spirit guide' was probably the true cause of a later belief that was retrofitted with the idea of a living man for theological reasons. that billions still believe in spirit guides today is ample proof such any religion can be formed, sustained and mutated from myth alone
andy765gtr 3 months ago
Let thou say it is a trick when ye see plagues that mankind have never seen before, let ye saith there is no God when wonders and powers are shown in greater displays than ever before and let mankind saith there is no Devil when the pit of Hell is opened into the dimension of man. woe unto all those who found not Zion in those days who rejected the Truth and fell to destruction by the Beast. Woe unto those who insult God thou knoweth not what ye say and are forgiven but consequence must come.
JmmanuelHolyspirit 3 months ago
@JmmanuelHolyspirit Plagues we have never seen before are evidence of evolution, not evidence of magical, invisible sky wizards.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 when what I speak comes ye shall know then what is meant, ye will be shocked and great fear will come pon you, careful when you make a mocking comment towards GOD. That invisable sky Wizard ye speak of will come in a day ye know not and burn the world just by his coming for his presence is like that of the Sun then ye shall know then who he is and ye will be brought up in judgement for all thoughts, actions and words spoken in your life.
JmmanuelHolyspirit 3 months ago
Behold proof will come to all mankind soon and many who think themself wise and knowing shall be brought down, for even Christianity was corrupted by the Adversary and God no longer support it. Woe unto mankind for they have accepted lies and discerned not the truth nor do they know what is good and what is evil for they lable both falsely. I saith unto ye that soon cometh the Wrath of God that shall come from his Two Angels his Two Witnesses, The Tribulation cometh soon prepare ye now.
JmmanuelHolyspirit 3 months ago
And, err, guys? Anyone back then who cared about the truth that much probably would have believed. Anyone who was not a Christian would have said almost anything to tackle it, yet we none of the historians at the time attempted to write disproof of Christianity. Anti-Jesus arguments are written about in the Bible, but are shown to be wrong, so... If Christianity could have been shown to be wrong, it would have been, but instead hundreds of people died for their beliefs.
savedboy97 3 months ago
So why was Jesus crucified if he was just a wise man, a good teacher, a humble sensible person who never claimed to be God? Also, had it ever occured to you that virtually all of his teachings are dependant on him paying the price for our sins? Also, is 20-30 years enough time (whilst people who knew him well are still alive) for his reputation to change that much? Me... not convinced.
savedboy97 3 months ago
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TheZayneDerden 1 month ago
i was trying to be respectfull in my origional response but someone(bob lacky) seems to think that most atheists believe that jesus existed. sounds more like your agnostic.bob you or your phd book mean nothing to me or my lack of belief. burton mack saying "he's pretty darn sure" proves nothing and you know it. atheist do not believe in god jesus or any other fictional character that you or a "skeptical" christian bible scholar seem to take as fact. you told me to wake up WELL fuck off .
oregonatheist 3 months ago
although i don't agree with your arguement on jesus being a real person i did enjoy your well thought out presentation. my only question is why you call yourself "the fighting atheist"?. you explain in the end that you believe(believe being the key word) that jesus really existed. atheist either doubt or do not believe in the existence of jesus.
oregonatheist 3 months ago
@oregonatheist I wish you would stop the lying. It is a damn lie that atheists either doubt or do not believe in the existence of Jesus. That is bull shit. Indeed MOST atheists DO believe Jesus existed as a man. Wake up man. Burton L. Mack, Phd is an athiest and one of the top skeptical Biblical scholars in the world. He wrote "Who Wrote the New Testament, the Making of the Christian Myth". Mack says it is pretty darn sure of some of the words that passed through Jesus' lips. Get real.
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youneekk 3 months ago
@JesusChrist You do exist !
MrGrandYaourt 3 months ago
Jesus blew me last night. He said my cum tasted like salty strawberries.
s4muraib3b0p 3 months ago
i like how the video is 6:66 long. =)
letdreamsbedreams21 3 months ago
dragons?!?!?! hahaha
anthftskk 3 months ago
I BELEVE IN UNICORNS..
and ufo, dude aliens like are totally existing, there are sooo much planets out there,
why would ours be the only one populated?
originalpersian1 3 months ago
i like ludacris, he's an awesome rapper
originalpersian1 3 months ago
@Cottonmouth899 Thought you were just putting your favorite bible quotes down.
MugiwaraJr 3 months ago
@Cottonmouth899 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Exodus 21:20-21
11 "A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet." 1 Timothy 2:11-12
MugiwaraJr 3 months ago
Hmm by the way Jesus was Jewish (if he existed) some say no though... Not a jew... [ this is weird - lol ] didn't you know that? Well... there are some ancient (middle age I believe) paintings of the crucifixion of Jesus with UFOs in the background. Painted when man couldn't even fly. I think the world is a lot more interesting than what we learn in school. YouTube quite a new phenomenon can give us great many great answers ;)
xyz112358132134 3 months ago
Well isn't the important thing here to let those who believe, do so? We "clever" ones supported by some historians, we know so much, the Bible was written hundreds of years after what it's telling us about... A long time back then, much could be wrong and all the translations! So yes it's probably not correct, but let the faith belong to those who believe, it makes them happier.
xyz112358132134 3 months ago
@xyz112358132134 - I don't think the bible was written "hundreds of years after" events.
The New Testament was written after 70 AD and that includes the Pauline Epistles. The Romans wrote the entire book, from Matthew to Revelations. The synoptic gospels where written under the influence of Vespasian (the father) and Titus (the good son).
Gospel John, Pauline Epistles and Revelations where written under Domitian. Which is why the Holy Spirit is more "visible" in these works.
In my opinion.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable OK ;)
xyz112358132134 3 months ago
@Franknarfable Well that is horseshit!! The New Testament was NOT written by the Romans. That horseshit comes from that asshole amature hack Joe Atwill who has a Phd or masters in NOTHING!!! He is a damn hack and he knows it too. Galatains was written in 50 CE by PAUL!!!! I can provide a list of skeptical Phd scholars/experts to prove that which is as long as a basketball court!!! Just got three more Emails from skeptical scholars who are laughing their butts off at Atwill. Price is too!! HaHa
boblackey1 3 months ago
@boblackey1 - "Just got three more Emails from skeptical scholars who are laughing their butts off at Atwill" - NO-ONE CARES.
"Galatains was written in 50 CE by PAUL!!!! I can provide a list of skeptical Phd scholars/experts to prove that which is as long as a basketball court" - Make sure that list is written on soft paper so I can wipe my ass on it.
PAUL HAS ZERO HISTORICITY. Or perhaps you think he's Saulus?
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable "Paul has zero historicity" That is a howler!! You, Atwill, Acharya S, Kenneth Humphreys and maybe one other amature (all of you are amatures including Atwill, Humphries and Acharya S) are being laught at for saying such a dumb thing.
boblackey1 3 months ago
Did Jesus Exist? Nope. There were several Jesus'. What we have is a somewhat 'consensus' on the Jesus 'character'. If there was only one 'jeebus', there would only be one church. Why so many different denominations? The very fact of different factions of xianity falsify jeekus' prayer to his father(god/himself)that as a sign to the world that he was who he said he was, all the believers would join as one. Xianity has never been joined as 'one', and never can be. Catholics, Mormons, Baptists,nah
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago
You forgot one possibility in the intro: Jesus might have been more people who did certain things (maybe even stories from oral traditions). Later these deeds could have been ascribed to a single person. This is not uncommon. Examples of this kind of things are: Hercules, Thor etc.
Gromuhl 3 months ago
I debate the existence of Jesus based on the fact that the documents relating to the trials and executions carried out during the Roman occupation of Palestine still exist and are complete and Jesus isn't in them. All other authors are writing as secondary sources, and some of those secondary sources...the Docetists... insist that Jesus was never made flesh. The fact is that the matter is so clouded that any solid proof either way is now impossible.
formless777 3 months ago
@1:13, For an example of this ongoing phenomenon, view ' Sunday Night - Inside Australia's Chilling New Cult (A J Miller) ', by YT username @Oct195 - watch?v=ML2Oa4Oigvo. May god b - less. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 3 months ago
that Jesus picture at the begining is pretty scary
KasirRham 3 months ago 5
I think their's more evidence to UFO's and aliens then any religion combined.
haz939 3 months ago
Jesus(Jmmanuel) was real but the teaching were twisted. Jmmanuel did not die for anyones sin. He came to teach the ways of the Universe. There is no punishment after this life or the next. Read the Talmud of Jmmanuel.
halolIlmao0 4 months ago
I would've favorited this video if you debunked the Shroud of Turin. But you never did.
Still an interesting video.
AtheismIsCorrect 4 months ago
ok i didnt believe in any of that but i do believe in aliens
tails98 4 months ago
Also, the "non-biblical" books don't really mean anything. The bible is just a compilation of books the catholic church deemed worthy.
jomelle012 4 months ago
I didn't know there was an argument about whether or not Christ existed. I've always assumed he did and that he's just a really good Criss Angel. I don't even see the significance of his existence to the debate.
jomelle012 4 months ago
I do not believe that Jesus ever existed.I do believe that he was invented as a composite of great and highly developed prototype.I walk on water myself every winter when I navigate the streets of New England.
loulou2lou 4 months ago
he's not the Masai he's a very naughty boy!
sorry couldn't resist
walruscrowface 4 months ago
THERE IS NO BASIS IN REALITY LOGICALLY, RATIONALLY, SCIENTIFICALLY or OTHERWISE to believe Jesus existed.
KenDyerJr 4 months ago
Tacitus was NON-CONTEMPORARY not born until many, many years AFTER Jesus supposedly died. Also, the so-called Tacitus "source" passage didn't exist until the 15th century!! Nobody quoted it until 1400 years AFTER it was supposedly written!!!!! This is NOT proof of Jesus' existence, neither is Josephus, neither is Suetonius, neither is Pliny the Younger.
KenDyerJr 4 months ago 2
@KenDyerJr - Well done, you know your Tacitus history, as well as Suetonius and Pliny.
gekritzl 4 months ago