Dear Brother Shabir, Greetings to you. According to your word between 2:49-2:50 mins in this video is what you believe. But, I and We(Christians) believe that JESUS is not Just a great man, who was crucifed, buried and rose again by God, He is God and God himself. This is the central message, heartbeat of CHRISTIANITY. If jesus is not rose again, then there is no Christians in this World. May the God of Peace enlighten you in the days to come.
@jaga454 yes cos mike licona arguments are not based on the gospels as the lead evidence but early creed from colosian one : fifteen, and philippian two six - elen which dated to as much two year after the crucifixion, maybe even closer
and the case is also heavely based on two argument one ------ the crucifixion a historical fact, and two ------ the resurrect which is the best explination of the facts that are record in one corintians fifteen and the gospels, and air tight case
is it me or did shabir not really give a good arguement or even try t disolve mike case, all shabir dd was attack the gospels and mike never even used them but early creeds and support evidence for seems like shbir was lost in his own stratosphere and could no give a sound couner case,or even deal with mikes presentatin
Particularly in light of the fact that the Bible has many eyewitnesses that are consistent and non contradictory in their testimony, rooted in documents that date back to the very events..ie the creeds like 1 Cor 15 that summarizes the life of Christ, the events, and eyewitnesses numbering some by name and listing over 500 eyewitnesses contrary to what Shabir stated.
whitejewel Shabbir is right to say that ALL historical evidence and scholarship would say it IS beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crucifixion and death of Christ is a solid fact of history based on objective evidence..and ONLY Muslims believe CONTRARY to ALL historical evidence that supports that fact. Why do you choose to believe something CONTRARY to the evidence, AND believe a book w NO external eyewitnesses dated 600 yrs after Christ though trying to explain what happened to Christ..
@farshadl123 why u said SHair ally is talented ????? of course u may say that by hearing his words but God will not look at him as u do. He want to be anti christ . Anyway , Jesus taught us to pray for our enemy so we are still praying for him to become like Apostle Paul. First of all Paul denied Jesus and tortched chrstaind people but when he saw Jesus he was totally changed and he had to proclaim the news that he had hated in his life about JEsus Christ. May GOd' s peace upon on you ,...
see the first intervention of shabir in this debate he explained that point there are other explanations of that verse. and maybe hjesus on whom be peace survived the crusification rather than was replaced by somoene who looks like him you can explaim the verse by they didnt kill him in general nor they killed him by crusifixion crusifying doesnt mean putting somone on the cross only but killing somone through crusfiction(salaba in arabic )
stop praising idols was one of the messages of moses and jesus. but now christians are doing the exact thing the pagen was, that was praising men and idols. jesus has become a man god. when he never himself claimed to be god. and the name alla is in the old and new testament. if you look at the verses that were changed by men. hebrew and arabic are sister lingo.
Shabbir wasnt so convincing.. he gave too many points, also he alluded to the idea that Jesus might have atually died which i find odd, and that actually suports the christian argument. Quran clearly says he was not crucified, so its strange that he argued that Jesus could have been crucified, but did not die. He would have been more convincing if he just stuck to the substitutin or the rescue theory.
is Shabir is telling us, the Roman soldier does not know how to execute crucifixion? i don't think so.
jardis09 6 months ago
moderator seemed like a bit of dick.
nubbs 9 months ago
wow Shabir is amazing masha'Allah. he knows the bible more than the white guy!
lakergurl1000 9 months ago
Did Jesus warn us about who going to miss lead us FROM THE STRIGHT BATH AND WHATS HIS SIGNS?
Luke-ch-22-vs-37
For I tell you that this which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, ‘and he was reckoned with lawless ones.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Matthew-ch-21-vs-46 (author speaking)
But, although they were seeking to seize him, they feared the crowds, because these held him to be a prophet.
Mark-ch-2-vs-10 (author speaking)
The son of man has authority to forgive sins upon the earth.
Mark-ch-6-vs-3 (people speaking)
This is the carpenter the son of Mary.
bibleresponse 11 months ago
yes he did
miky4u 1 year ago
Dear Brother Shabir, Greetings to you. According to your word between 2:49-2:50 mins in this video is what you believe. But, I and We(Christians) believe that JESUS is not Just a great man, who was crucifed, buried and rose again by God, He is God and God himself. This is the central message, heartbeat of CHRISTIANITY. If jesus is not rose again, then there is no Christians in this World. May the God of Peace enlighten you in the days to come.
trustinyouu 1 year ago
@jaga454 yes cos mike licona arguments are not based on the gospels as the lead evidence but early creed from colosian one : fifteen, and philippian two six - elen which dated to as much two year after the crucifixion, maybe even closer
and the case is also heavely based on two argument one ------ the crucifixion a historical fact, and two ------ the resurrect which is the best explination of the facts that are record in one corintians fifteen and the gospels, and air tight case
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
thanks for uploading all these educational videos.
beachman007 1 year ago
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followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
is it me or did shabir not really give a good arguement or even try t disolve mike case, all shabir dd was attack the gospels and mike never even used them but early creeds and support evidence for seems like shbir was lost in his own stratosphere and could no give a sound couner case,or even deal with mikes presentatin
followerofjesus1984 1 year ago
Particularly in light of the fact that the Bible has many eyewitnesses that are consistent and non contradictory in their testimony, rooted in documents that date back to the very events..ie the creeds like 1 Cor 15 that summarizes the life of Christ, the events, and eyewitnesses numbering some by name and listing over 500 eyewitnesses contrary to what Shabir stated.
Dominick7 2 years ago
whitejewel Shabbir is right to say that ALL historical evidence and scholarship would say it IS beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crucifixion and death of Christ is a solid fact of history based on objective evidence..and ONLY Muslims believe CONTRARY to ALL historical evidence that supports that fact. Why do you choose to believe something CONTRARY to the evidence, AND believe a book w NO external eyewitnesses dated 600 yrs after Christ though trying to explain what happened to Christ..
Dominick7 2 years ago
SHABIR ALY is such a talented and gifted man mashAllah..
May Allah (swt) bless his heart and his family..
You are great Aly.
farshadl123 2 years ago 3
@farshadl123 why u said SHair ally is talented ????? of course u may say that by hearing his words but God will not look at him as u do. He want to be anti christ . Anyway , Jesus taught us to pray for our enemy so we are still praying for him to become like Apostle Paul. First of all Paul denied Jesus and tortched chrstaind people but when he saw Jesus he was totally changed and he had to proclaim the news that he had hated in his life about JEsus Christ. May GOd' s peace upon on you ,...
jakimphong 9 months ago
@jakimphong He never saw jesus(pbuh) according to the bible but had a vision.
According to the gospel of mark (The oldest one) says there were no eye-witnesses!
Lizzio1980 2 months ago
@jakimphong Also think about it God is a immortal being and yet you say he died.
Its the same as saying 1+1= 34095 while we all know its 2.
Lizzio1980 2 months ago
/watch?v=fFH0khjgA0U
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
I think that Shabbir was not on the right side of the muslim.
it seems like in the debate that he support the death and resurection ,the muslim must believ that "They killed him not and they crucified him not".
and sometimes it seems like he support the resurection,that is not the true belief of muslims we say:
jesus never died nor crucified,he didnt rose,but the jesus that returned(resurection) was jesus himself.
peace.
crazysalah 3 years ago
see the first intervention of shabir in this debate he explained that point there are other explanations of that verse. and maybe hjesus on whom be peace survived the crusification rather than was replaced by somoene who looks like him you can explaim the verse by they didnt kill him in general nor they killed him by crusifixion crusifying doesnt mean putting somone on the cross only but killing somone through crusfiction(salaba in arabic )
benadil 3 years ago
Chabir probably belongs to kadianic religion who believes that Christ came to India which is considered to be unaccepted by sunni and Shi3a Muslims
balamanti2 2 years ago
@crazysalah I agree,
And the last thing the moderator says in the video is exactly that! that they both agree Jesus was killed but not on his resurrection.
I found Shabir very very strange indeed.
PUNISHERUltra 1 year ago
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stop praising idols was one of the messages of moses and jesus. but now christians are doing the exact thing the pagen was, that was praising men and idols. jesus has become a man god. when he never himself claimed to be god. and the name alla is in the old and new testament. if you look at the verses that were changed by men. hebrew and arabic are sister lingo.
ranger1360 3 years ago
Shabir is the ONE
deeba123 3 years ago 4
Shabir Ally is the definition of a true believer...may Allah bless him and his kids.
floweriepot 3 years ago 17
Shabbir wasnt so convincing.. he gave too many points, also he alluded to the idea that Jesus might have atually died which i find odd, and that actually suports the christian argument. Quran clearly says he was not crucified, so its strange that he argued that Jesus could have been crucified, but did not die. He would have been more convincing if he just stuck to the substitutin or the rescue theory.
cfrb 3 years ago
Shabir Ally is a beautiful personality, wow... thank u for sharing this.
slashchords 3 years ago 19