i do not agree with death penalty. it is cruel. eye for an eye is so 17th century. killing people is a process you don't go and chop heads off like that. the speaker needs to stick to making laws and leave implimentations to attoney general.
Chaimoto that is an excellent cup of tea you are offering here. The president decided to do away with the death penalty. Period. In many political statements from our politicians, I notice the distance in millions of political miles between their philosophy and that of President Kibaki. President Kibaki lives in Kenya, papa hapa, and most politicians like Marende are in Utopia, if not destined for hell.
@chaimoto You will think a much different way once you find out your daughter has been murdered and raped from a serial killer. But nooooo you don't want him killed because it's cruel...pathetic.
I would agree with hon Makende if he's referring to the current and past policians, most of whom should have been hanged many years ago. Our politicians are felons by most civilized nations standards. Kenyans long for this kind of justice.
@2190g1. Marende is being sincere that those on death row and not being executed are the ones perpetuating impunity in Kenya. What you seem to be arguing for is that we kill them simply because our jails are porous?
I think what was being addressed here was as simple as this: Instead of hanging 4,000 people (acoording to Siasabora's estimate) sentence them to life. Marende's point: eg if I commit a crime warranting the death sentence, I know I won't get it, well at least not for 30 or so years.
@siasabora. I know the argument I was making can be pushed to limits such as the one you propose - going to the extent of setting them scott free. To the contrary, instead of hanging them, as Kibaki has done, you give them life in prison. In prison, it is not all merry as some may have us believe. Also, they learn some skills which in the long run is helpful to society. The basic principal I am advocating for is reform of institutions, values and above all life.
merende why dont we start with you ? i hope they have life sentence with hard community labour these barbaric british colonial system should be left to the british.
@Biwott845: What would be a punishment commensurate to the seriousness of the crime of killing several people violently in a premeditated manner (like Mungiki or what our police call "normal savagery/normal murder")?
Should such criminals be jailed in our porous jails that the AG can enter a nolle prosequi for you, as happened with Mungiki leader? Such people have also been known to escape jail and enter back into society and kill more.
marende has no morals....go pay your taxes first before chatting shit!!!!! you are a disgrace to all luhyas and come 2012 we will have you ejected from politics back to mashambani untilyou learn why all kenyans need to pay tax!!!!!!!!!
Loss of ANY human life is unjustified. What leads to the many deaths in Kenya? Not a TOTAL lack of respect for human life but rather dire circumstances that lead to stupid actions and at times violent death of innocent people. I sympathize with all the victims. My point being that Marende has the capacity to help reduce causes of violent crimes thereby saving human life. Not just hanging everyone as people will continue to engage in crime if they have no other opportunities.
@biwott845:Very well....we've clogged the jails with 4,000 of these low-life losers who prey on the elderly, weak women and citizens asleep after working hard! How did yu, I or next guy stay out of jail? Coz U Didn't TAKE SHORTCUTS in life! Every time a hardcore criminal is set free they're back to their old trade with more viciousness! It is not fair!
Everyone needs to know about three youtubes that changes everything.
The are called Jeff Fisher adresses the world 3 & Jeff Fisher addresses the world part one & one by a named Molindo called Jesus Forever Love
Listen to them read all comments.
Its a joy to know that God is not going to destroy us in 2012 & I am so thankful to Jesus for his two children Gabriel & Jana whom are now Jeffrey Jay Fisher & Jane Marlin Bowell & America's bright peace future with Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich
It's pretty sad that Marende has this point of view. We are heading the wrong direction if this is the level of thinking our leaders are demonstrating.
@biwott845: A criminal on death row has a chance to prepare his death, make a will, and make his last statements while their victims can never do it. So victims like you or me dont deserve a right to enjoy freedoms, pursue happiness, a chance to live or plan for our earth departure....why don't u tell killers/rapists see if they agree? Human Animals deserve to die!
Marende NO!! NO!! The law that sentences people to death is a bad law. The death penalty in Kenya is completely unjustified, the emanation of inequity in all spheres of Kenyan life. Death penalty is supposed to be the common denominator of the crimes committed under that law and yet our Kenyan society is unequal and unfair in creating conditions to avoid these crimes. Give us an economically just society then hang those you want to hang. Otherwise MARENDE GO HANG YOURSELF.
Killers must be killed otherwise they will enjoy life in prison as Kalonzo is working round the clock to ensure Kenyan prisons are as comfortable for inmates as possible. where is the justice there when the victim is living in poverty on the outside.
@K Unless one kills in self defence....all vicious murderers of children, pregnant mothers, planned killings, of police officers or neighbours answering distress calls should swiftly be put to death! n their world belongings sold off to assist their victims! They dont deserve free food and lodgings from law abiding citizens! (Those against it ur dayll come face to face with these cold blooded beasts..then yu will get it!)
Stupid shits, it's spelled hung. Not hanged...
Kevin32001 1 year ago
Hang 'em all. The less murderers, the better.
warpedcomedy 2 years ago
i do not agree with death penalty. it is cruel. eye for an eye is so 17th century. killing people is a process you don't go and chop heads off like that. the speaker needs to stick to making laws and leave implimentations to attoney general.
chaimoto 2 years ago
Chaimoto that is an excellent cup of tea you are offering here. The president decided to do away with the death penalty. Period. In many political statements from our politicians, I notice the distance in millions of political miles between their philosophy and that of President Kibaki. President Kibaki lives in Kenya, papa hapa, and most politicians like Marende are in Utopia, if not destined for hell.
Savai333 2 years ago
@chaimoto You will think a much different way once you find out your daughter has been murdered and raped from a serial killer. But nooooo you don't want him killed because it's cruel...pathetic.
Kevin32001 1 year ago
I would agree with hon Makende if he's referring to the current and past policians, most of whom should have been hanged many years ago. Our politicians are felons by most civilized nations standards. Kenyans long for this kind of justice.
KikumaBaridii 2 years ago
@2190g1. Marende is being sincere that those on death row and not being executed are the ones perpetuating impunity in Kenya. What you seem to be arguing for is that we kill them simply because our jails are porous?
I think what was being addressed here was as simple as this: Instead of hanging 4,000 people (acoording to Siasabora's estimate) sentence them to life. Marende's point: eg if I commit a crime warranting the death sentence, I know I won't get it, well at least not for 30 or so years.
biwott845 2 years ago
@siasabora. I know the argument I was making can be pushed to limits such as the one you propose - going to the extent of setting them scott free. To the contrary, instead of hanging them, as Kibaki has done, you give them life in prison. In prison, it is not all merry as some may have us believe. Also, they learn some skills which in the long run is helpful to society. The basic principal I am advocating for is reform of institutions, values and above all life.
biwott845 2 years ago
merende why dont we start with you ? i hope they have life sentence with hard community labour these barbaric british colonial system should be left to the british.
lesbmistique 2 years ago
@Biwott845: What would be a punishment commensurate to the seriousness of the crime of killing several people violently in a premeditated manner (like Mungiki or what our police call "normal savagery/normal murder")?
Should such criminals be jailed in our porous jails that the AG can enter a nolle prosequi for you, as happened with Mungiki leader? Such people have also been known to escape jail and enter back into society and kill more.
They deserve to die
2190g1 2 years ago
marende has no morals....go pay your taxes first before chatting shit!!!!! you are a disgrace to all luhyas and come 2012 we will have you ejected from politics back to mashambani untilyou learn why all kenyans need to pay tax!!!!!!!!!
kenyanchinese 2 years ago
@ siasabora.
Loss of ANY human life is unjustified. What leads to the many deaths in Kenya? Not a TOTAL lack of respect for human life but rather dire circumstances that lead to stupid actions and at times violent death of innocent people. I sympathize with all the victims. My point being that Marende has the capacity to help reduce causes of violent crimes thereby saving human life. Not just hanging everyone as people will continue to engage in crime if they have no other opportunities.
biwott845 2 years ago
@biwott845:Very well....we've clogged the jails with 4,000 of these low-life losers who prey on the elderly, weak women and citizens asleep after working hard! How did yu, I or next guy stay out of jail? Coz U Didn't TAKE SHORTCUTS in life! Every time a hardcore criminal is set free they're back to their old trade with more viciousness! It is not fair!
siasabora 2 years ago
I fully support Marende, those of you who have never lost a close one to these senseless killlers will obviously not understand.
emigono 2 years ago
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Everyone needs to know about three youtubes that changes everything.
The are called Jeff Fisher adresses the world 3 & Jeff Fisher addresses the world part one & one by a named Molindo called Jesus Forever Love
Listen to them read all comments.
Its a joy to know that God is not going to destroy us in 2012 & I am so thankful to Jesus for his two children Gabriel & Jana whom are now Jeffrey Jay Fisher & Jane Marlin Bowell & America's bright peace future with Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich
ToniMaples 2 years ago
It's pretty sad that Marende has this point of view. We are heading the wrong direction if this is the level of thinking our leaders are demonstrating.
:(
biwott845 2 years ago
@biwott845: A criminal on death row has a chance to prepare his death, make a will, and make his last statements while their victims can never do it. So victims like you or me dont deserve a right to enjoy freedoms, pursue happiness, a chance to live or plan for our earth departure....why don't u tell killers/rapists see if they agree? Human Animals deserve to die!
siasabora 2 years ago
Marende NO!! NO!! The law that sentences people to death is a bad law. The death penalty in Kenya is completely unjustified, the emanation of inequity in all spheres of Kenyan life. Death penalty is supposed to be the common denominator of the crimes committed under that law and yet our Kenyan society is unequal and unfair in creating conditions to avoid these crimes. Give us an economically just society then hang those you want to hang. Otherwise MARENDE GO HANG YOURSELF.
Savai333 2 years ago
Killers must be killed otherwise they will enjoy life in prison as Kalonzo is working round the clock to ensure Kenyan prisons are as comfortable for inmates as possible. where is the justice there when the victim is living in poverty on the outside.
karuitha 2 years ago
@K Unless one kills in self defence....all vicious murderers of children, pregnant mothers, planned killings, of police officers or neighbours answering distress calls should swiftly be put to death! n their world belongings sold off to assist their victims! They dont deserve free food and lodgings from law abiding citizens! (Those against it ur dayll come face to face with these cold blooded beasts..then yu will get it!)
siasabora 2 years ago