@Communist2012 1. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives
2. The US would support Israel with or without Truman
3. He never interfered in Vietnam
4. Korean war was necessary to safeguard the people of South Korea. Ask yourself do you think Korea would be better off with the North(who isnt communist btw)
5. This is actually true
Also if the US never entered the war, how exactly would Japans conquest and rape of China and the rest of the east Asia ever have been stopped?
@Communist2012 1. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives
2. The US would support Israel with or without Truman
3. He never interfered in Vietnam
4. Korean war was necessary to safeguard the people of South Korea. Ask yourself do you think Korea would be better off with the North(who isnt communist btw)
5. This is actually true
Also if the US never entered the war, how exactly would Japans conquest and rape of China and the rest of the east Asia ever have been stopped?
Truman said "The atom bomb was no "great decision." It was merely another powerful weapon in the arsenal of righteousness. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes."
Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers
Truman made the decision to recognize the establishment of the State of Israel over the objections of Secretary of State George Marshall, who feared it would hurt relations with the Arab states
"I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects, and treated most subjects with antibiotics. This resulted in at least 83 deaths
usa embargo of japan - go research it. The US started the war against Japan with these hostile actions, but they lie about historical accuracy, and act as if they were completely innocent and attacked first
Japan had no choice but to attack. They were provoked by the oil and blockade by the US navy on their supplies. Their people were dying from starvation, and there was unrest. Their Govt had to act to break this situation.
FDR is lying through his teeth in this speech. He had already set the bait at Pearl months ahead of the attack...besides which, we were already at war with Japan via the Flying Tigers.
The war in Europe was already decided by this point. Germany could not invade England, the Battle of Brittan was already won and Hitler was already doing the impossible - invading Russia.
This is nothing but blood-lust from FDR whipping up a stupid American public. 300,000 Americans die as a result.
@awaple Not mistaken. Look at the dates. The US did not enter the war until after the outcome was already decided in Europe....after the Battle of Britain, after British troops left the Continent, after the French surrender, after Germany invaded Russia and after the Russian winter that would defeat the German army had already begun.
In 1941 (before US entry into the war) the Brookings Institute published "Nazi Europe and World Trade." The US government knew that the Nazi's were finished.
@awaple The Battle of Britain was from July 1940 to Oct 1940. England whomped the Luftwaffe. Since Germany did not have air superiority no invasion of Britain could occur.
The French surrendered June 22, 1940.
English troops were evacuated at Dunkirk.
At this point, Hitler had already won Europe.
The invasion of Russia began June 22 1941. On Sept 12 1941, the first snow began to fall in Russia. This was the beginning of the end.
@awaple The point of all this is that the US had no defensive need to enter WW2. Germany did not pose a strategic threat to the US. The could not invade England only 20 miles away. The could not invade the US 2000 miles away. We knew they were running out of material and oil. They had already committed the critical mistake of invading Russia.
France, Holland, Belgium, Norway had already surrendered and the Germany were already beat by Dec 1941.
@pine82 not true. when the Japanesse bombed us we entered war with them. Then since the Japanesse were apart of the Axis war machine, they decided to declare war on us.
The US had already committed acts of war on Japan before Dec 7 1941 including shutting off their oil supply and flying air strikes against them with the Flying Tigers...so technically we were already at war with them. We were also engaging in other provocative acts like building up a huge B-17 bomber capacity in the Philippines and sailing ships into the Bungo Strait. FDR baited them into a strike.
@pine829 Well, piney boy, I'd take FDR over you any day. Question: relevance of surrender of France, Holland, Belgium, Norway to your argument? And for a country that was already beaten, it is pretty impressive that Germany held out for over 3.5 years more!
@awaple The US telling of WW2 history is mostly bullcrap. Germany was not a threat to the US. They had no ability to invade us. They were no more a "bad guy" than any of the other players. They were ALL bad. As it was, we entered the war on Stalins side. By the numbers, he was a much bigger murderer than Hitler. Therefore, we entered on the side of the "bigger" bad guy. Moreover, the US and its allies engaged in civilian terrorist (area) bombing. Again bad. We also starved German troops
#1: we need another like Roosevelt to lead our great nation.
#2:why are we arguing about politics on this video?
#3: Danke for putting this online. people need to know about this. you can't know where you are and where you're going, without knowing where you've been.
@epicwinface i know you might not agree with this but im willing to take this chance, But, Obama is the closest thing to Roosevelt will get, he knows how to use the military EXTREMLY well, just look at the killing of osama bin laden, no president would dare crossing into pakistan without content, he knows we need to go to war with pakistan, and i wont deny it, alot of the things he said would happen in the econemy failed, but he wins the hearts of the people, thats the truest victory of all.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets when they became ill.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japan.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
The number of China in the Sino-Japanese War Victims. Coalition reports 132 million people in 1945.
438 million people in 1948 Chiang Kai-shek Nationalist government report. 10 million textbooks in China 1950. The Chinese government released about 21 million people in 1985 .(40 years anti-Japanese) And from now on official figures in museums and textbooks.
Currently about 35 million .(after speaking with a speech Jiang Zemin, and official figures of the Nanjing Memorial Hall)
Americans who died during Pearl Harbor: 2117 people.
Japanese who died during Nagasaki + Hiroshima: Around 105 000 people.
Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were filled with civilians. Let us be free from hypocrisy people. An estimated 17 000 children starve to death everyday. Where is the topic honoring their deaths? It does not exist.
@Mzik4urEars I am not sure where you get your facts, Hiroshima & Nagasaki were Industrial and military targets DURING WARTIME, Pearl Harbor was attacked DURING PEACETIME, had over 2400 deaths and if you include the concurrent PEACE ATTACKS on the Philippines that number rises to over 15000, not to mention the MILLIONS of civilians the Japanese killed in China and Korea during their invasions and occupations of those places.
@IS0iOS yes, the communist party killed chinese people, but at the time of world war 2, the nationalist were in control of china. the communist didn't come into power until after the japanese reduced the power of the nationalists.
In China, the killing had been a Nationalist and Communist Party. Please do not do anything the responsibility of the Japanese Army. By the way, do you think about Mao Zedong?
@taitei969 many of the chinese were killed by the nationalist in control of china, but the japanese killed a great deal more innocent chinese lives, far more than the nationalist did. Mao didn't come into power until after the war. Mao was a horrible person, but he did not have a significance in world war 2.
this day is to be never forgotten. I am only 28 but i Know what WE Sacrificed. White, Black, from other shores we are all treated the same. We are treated as Americans. We are one of the few nations that are free. People, understand that. Your ideological thoughts mean nothing to those who want us Dead. Stand as one to defend this Great Nation. And we will always survive and rise from the ashes as the Greatest.
@Church96 right, cause they really have a choice. You're a dumbass. Anyone that says soldiers can kiss their ass obviously has no fucking clue what's going on in the world.
I'm sad to say I don't think the current generation in america could handle WWIII. This was perhaps the greatest fighting generation but we are the greatest tech generation of all time...
The hate comments crack me up! Yes that generation gave all for our country and God bless them for all they did for us, that by no means explains the politic of the times or the treason that has crept in and abused our service men and women. many presidents and politicians spoke in regards to it and many turned up dead.... I'm sure its just coincidental.I know... its one of those there "conspiracy theorists" just remember we can pretend what we want but we will all see whats real, together.
@tinytimmee51....Canada doesn't want his sad ass either! Don't be so hard on him...he plays video games and posts them. He's at "THAT" level in his maturity. His screen name is Tiny Tim. that really says it all..... he also can not spell correctly. He didn't even give Hitler the proper Grammatical capitalization... I will say this however: PEARto Rico sounds nice.... if I knew where that was located, I might try visiting.... the minute I get REALESed from my daily activities.; )
@tinytimmee51 shut the hell up and screw u. The men and women of that era sacrifice everything for us. So keep your thoughts to your self u dumb ass bigot.
Abraham lincoln was wrong for realesing the niggers and whoever said tht pertoricans shuld go back were they came from well for ur info pearto rico is us territory there americans too i hate this country hail hitler he was doing the right thing stupid jews
My great-grandfather was a Third Class Petty Officer of the Navy onboard the USS California during the attack. He fell overboard moments before the ship sank. He continued service in the war in the Pacific and fought in the battle of Okinawa. He was shot twice, once in the throught once in the neck but fought on. He was later sationed at the island were the Enola Gay was built and took off from for Hiroshima. He knew the bomb was aboard. God Bless you, Meryl Ostwald, Navy 1940-45 Life 1919-1997
@ca194216 Americans who died during Pearl Harbor: 2117 people.
Japanese who died during Nagasaki + Hiroshima: Around 105 000 people.
Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were filled with civilians. Let us be free from hypocrisy people. An estimated 17 000 children starve to death everyday. Where is the topic honoring their deaths? It does not exist.
@ca194216 With all respect to your grandparents, they only preserved the empires of a bunch of Europeans...the Brits and the French mostly and made a bunch of US industrialists rich. In actuality, FDR traded their lives for US "opportunity" in both political power and industrial wealth. Germany could not invade Britain in WW2, they could not invade us.
The sad fact is the 300,000 Americans died for foreign "interests", not freedom.
I understand he was dealing with something difficult, but he expanded government like no other, and interned Japanese Americans who were completely innocent. He get's no respect from me.
@SamTheRubberMan On the other hand, the Japanese would not have simply interned people, they would have treated everyone the same way they treated the Chinese.......
@datrumaniac -- Well i have no respect for the japanese army at the time so i know its not historicly accurate but who cares , hes a jap thousands of their men killed themselves
@ElderKickass your point being if anything our actions to end the war were far worse than the japanese actions that brought us into the war at least they only targeted military targets were didnt even follow our own R.O.Es when we nuked not one but 2 civlian cities both full of innocent women and children wheres your justification for that?
@ElderKickass i was arguring that point what i was saying was that you cant hate an whole people who have been defeated and you really cant be a hypocrite about war when all they did is fight it the same war you mention about not being fair
Mr.Haizzer you are a person that deserves immediate deportation to whatever rock you crawled from under. You are the idiot, and anyone that reads your post will immediately recognize that fact. Please go back to your own country you sorry, rotten, S.O.B. and may your soul rot in HELL.
well first of all i think japan did wwhat was right it attacked one of the most powerful countries in the world ....and by doing that it proved to the world that fucking americans think they were gods but they were wrong fuck all those americans that aere racist and think they are the supreme race of the world fuck all those of you who hate immigrnats why? ill tell you why because america like they call it was and it continues to be built by us by immagrnats bcuzz so fuck all racist ppl god bles
it is quite amazing how the USA and Japan <3 eachother these days... this is true proof that the USA forgives.... although it is sort of hard to forgive 9/11 idk y it just is...
First I agree with you by saying your declaration that the US would be better today under FDR is an understatement (aka the US would be much much much better off with FDR)
Then you accuse me of saying Roosevelt was the worst president ever...what?????? Read carefully and while sober before posting responses please
@redjones i must fully agree with you. FUCK YEAH 1940S USA HAD BALLS! they were in a hell of a war . They must had balls. R.I.P to all soldiers who died in that war. Soldiers now can kiss my ass, going to a country to take oil... pshh. back then they fought for their fucking country, not for stupid fossil fuel gas.
@Church96 But we're planning on having that oil so we can be the last country in the world with oil reserves so we can be the last with a functioning military, and so we can keep so many things in the U.S. cheap.
@GeneralWAS hows that going for u though.. things havent been cheap for a long time. Fossil fuel is running out. Sooner or later, the only gas we will have, is the gas in our cars. Thats all.
@Church96 I understand where your going and I can agree with you, I'm just calling how it seems. I think we should just finish what we started, with getting rid of communism so we can be taken seriously again.
they have "faggot" "pussey" "you people" something about going back to your country, something about a righteous cause, spelling mistakes or all of the above in their comment.
Congrats, your country is proud of you, keeping up the stereotype that americans are uneducated, ignorant cunts.
Sadest part is they're either 13 year olds with delusions of patriotism or 23 year olds with delusions of patriotism. Try the army shitforbrains! you'll learn sometihng
You people dont have any respect or understanding for this beautiful country and more or less yourself, You know deep inside your cowards who do nothing in life, You will die nothing, What purpose do you serve ? I'll tell you what, Mr Roosevelt was a great man that many wish they could be, Not one person has the power, mind, wealth, heart, courage, honor to fill his shoes.
unlike all you american hating fagoots, I love america, Immigration laws are getting strict, Than you go back where you cam
@VictorAUlloa You are a dumb ass sucker. Roosevelt was an illuminati scum. Every war in the world was intentional and started by the international banking system for the purpose of making profits while adding to the national debt of all countries. Roosevelt even had family members on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank. How stupid and naive the American people are. Fuck Roosevelt the wolf in sheep’s clothing!
@VictorAUlloa I love the US too but the evidence that FDR not only knew about the attack but took steps to provoke Japan and then withheld information from the commanders at Pearl till after the attack is overwhelming. Japan didn't want to go to war with us. We should never have had to fight Japan. That makes FDR and those who new about the attack before hand cold blooded murderers.
@356butch Maybe the war was invoked to improve the U.S. economy. Remember there was an "economic depression" during that time. The war created jobs, reduced unemployment, and developed new technologies. But the longer you stay in a war the more debt you create for yourself -- that's why you have to get in and get out. FDR is the only U.S. president that served 3 terms.
You make me sick....The economy was running strong through 41 once FDR reinstated government spending. Not quiet at 1936 levels, but still very strong. The US had no economic reason to provoke Japan...
Japan didn't want to go to War?!?- then why did they sink a clearly marked destroyer (USS Panay) 4 years earlier?
Does the coordinated precision of Pearl Harbor suggests a country reluctant to go to war?? Spare us your nonsense - no accredited historian believes that.
@rrrevan I'm sorry you're not feeling well...perhaps it's from drinking all that Kool Aid. I find it interesting that you should bring up the Panay incident. It was not a destroyer as you say but a very small gun boat and except for a US flag painted on her deck, was NOT clearly marked. The Japs issued an apology and payed restitution for her accidental sinking. Contrary to your statement, nearly all accredited historians believe this. The evidence is overwhelming. Study! You only look a fool.
FDR didn't see Japan as a priority. He was preoccupied with Europe.
Ironically for a "cold blooded murderer", FDR lectured his cabinet on the folly of cutting off Oil when JP looked to invade southern indo china (You can find Morgenthau's own quotes in the book FDR by JeanSmith) and only announced that licenses be issued on a case by case basis for petro shipments
Acheson towed the hard line on an oil embargo by defying FDR's orders and freezing all Japanese funds
i agree, i'd love to see these haters say it to my face, i'd give them a face full of AR15. that's right foreigners, in america, we can own assault riles. jelly? ;)
"Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, How Churchill lured Roosevelt into WWII", by James Rusbridger (of the Britsh SIS) & Eric Nave (of the Australian SIO) is another "page-turner" I can't put down. Very detailed, and you are the "fly_on_the_wall" watching and listening to it all. Just amazing, and will completely change your opinions of both FDR and Churchill.
If you knew anything you would know that we where just getting into any negotiations with Japan's government. We ended trade with Japan in the late 1800's. The Japanese knew and they told their Emperor that they could only fight the United States for 6 months before they ran out. Oil is also the reason why the Japanese invaded China. Their amount of oil had nothing to do with the United States.
Seriously, who fucking cares about Pearl Harbour? It was only 2,300 people. Compare that to French/British/Russian/German losses in either of the wars. It's nothing! This was a minor incident in the grand scheme of things.
@TheLiberalKnight The Japs killed over 10 million civilians in China alone, and millions more in Indonesia and Indochina so I'd say they got let off pretty lightly. And I'd say the Japs should be thankful that it was the Americans who occupied their country and not the Chinese or Koreans who would have punished every Japanese man, woman and child for the atrocities committed on their homelands.
@TheAussieNationalist Two wrongs do not make a right. 300,000 Japanese civilizans died, not soldiers. That was Truman's fault. With Russian support, he could have had the Japs by late 1945, and that's no exaggeration.
@TheLiberalKnight I don't deny that the Japs could have been easily defeated without the nuclear bomb, but a land invasion would have resulted tens of thousands of Allied lives, and, especially if the Russias were involved, would have resulted in at least as many civillian deaths as what happeded with the A bomb. So the bomb saved more lives than what it took.
@TheAussieNationalist You're still ignoring the essential fact that they would have been SOLDIER deaths, whereas the Truman massacre was entirely CIVILIANS. How can anyone be upset about things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks but think THIS is OK?
@TheLiberalKnight Firstly SOLDIERS are people too! And as I already pointed out, civilian casualties would have been inevitable if a land invasion took place anyway, especially if the Russians were involved. Plus the Japs conscripted civilians into their army.
And pushing our culture on Japan was no disaster. It resulted in Japan being the friendly, peaceful and democratic society it is today. How arrogant of us Westerners!
@TheLiberalKnight How can anyone be upset about things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks but think THIS is OK?
1It achieved SOMETHING, which was defeating Japan without an invasion, so it saved more lives than what it took. unlike 9/11 which achieved NOTHING other satisfying the desires of a sick, twisted Islamic fundamentalist.
2 It also demonstrated to the Soviet Union the power of the A bomb, which may have been what deterred them from invading Western Europe.
@TheAussieNationalist Not necessarily western Europe, but it sure as hell kept them out of Japan. And I think Americans and the Japanese should be happy about that considering what we KNOW Russian did to Germany. And you are right about the transition to Democracy. Whether you think dropping the a-bomb was right or wrong is was still a brutal action. But, out of the ashes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rose a better Japan. That stands as a credit to both Nations.
@TheLiberalKnight Americans are lucky to have a skewed view of what war means because we have not had to fight one on our own soil for 150yrs. We do not understand civilian casualties happen because no one alive now has ever witnessed it. Civilian deaths are a part of war. Germany's bombing of Britain, our bombing of Germany and Japan all targeted civilians as a psychological weapon. Mark my words, the Japanese and Germans would have done the same to us had they been close enough.
@nhall022 Asboloutely, America has never been under the threat of invasion therefore it didn't contribute much to either world war (much, much less in WW1 than WW2, though) except to preserve it's economic self interest. It was a psychological weapon, of course. But that is not an excuse to mass slaughter 300,000 Japanese civilizans.
@TheLiberalKnight You need to take an American history class. The reason why we were attacked at pearl harbor was because we went AGAINST our economic self interest and stopped trading with the Japanese. The Japanese realized that they could not win their wars in the pacific without the raw materials we were supplying them. So, they decided to take them from us by force, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process. Do your homework before you start throwing around accusations.
Truman - probably the most evil President in US history. directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of so many.
- Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bombs - mass murderer of women, children and old civilians
- recognition of Israel
- interfering in Vietnam (leading to vietnam war)
- interfering in Korea (See Korea war)
- medical experiments on blacks in Tuskegee and Guatemalans
And this is not even a complete list of his crimes.
You should not be honoring or defending this man America ...
Communist2012 1 week ago
@Communist2012 Were you born talking a load of bollocks or did you get the ability after sustained and lengthy practice.
BlackCountryPuddler 6 days ago
@Communist2012 1. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives
2. The US would support Israel with or without Truman
3. He never interfered in Vietnam
4. Korean war was necessary to safeguard the people of South Korea. Ask yourself do you think Korea would be better off with the North(who isnt communist btw)
5. This is actually true
Also if the US never entered the war, how exactly would Japans conquest and rape of China and the rest of the east Asia ever have been stopped?
KaiserReich98 1 day ago
@Communist2012 1. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives
2. The US would support Israel with or without Truman
3. He never interfered in Vietnam
4. Korean war was necessary to safeguard the people of South Korea. Ask yourself do you think Korea would be better off with the North(who isnt communist btw)
5. This is actually true
Also if the US never entered the war, how exactly would Japans conquest and rape of China and the rest of the east Asia ever have been stopped?
KaiserReich98 1 day ago
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Truman said "The atom bomb was no "great decision." It was merely another powerful weapon in the arsenal of righteousness. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes."
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Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers
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Truman made the decision to recognize the establishment of the State of Israel over the objections of Secretary of State George Marshall, who feared it would hurt relations with the Arab states
"I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
Communist2012 1 week ago
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Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects, and treated most subjects with antibiotics. This resulted in at least 83 deaths
Communist2012 1 week ago
usa embargo of japan - go research it. The US started the war against Japan with these hostile actions, but they lie about historical accuracy, and act as if they were completely innocent and attacked first
they still do it to this day .. same mentality :/
Communist2012 1 week ago
Japan had no choice but to attack. They were provoked by the oil and blockade by the US navy on their supplies. Their people were dying from starvation, and there was unrest. Their Govt had to act to break this situation.
Communist2012 1 week ago
PLEASE!!!! can someone explain this in kid version?!?!
SammySydMy13 1 week ago
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awaple 2 weeks ago
that was interesting
uberninja31 3 weeks ago
FDR is lying through his teeth in this speech. He had already set the bait at Pearl months ahead of the attack...besides which, we were already at war with Japan via the Flying Tigers.
The war in Europe was already decided by this point. Germany could not invade England, the Battle of Brittan was already won and Hitler was already doing the impossible - invading Russia.
This is nothing but blood-lust from FDR whipping up a stupid American public. 300,000 Americans die as a result.
pine829 3 weeks ago
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awaple 2 weeks ago
@awaple Not mistaken. Look at the dates. The US did not enter the war until after the outcome was already decided in Europe....after the Battle of Britain, after British troops left the Continent, after the French surrender, after Germany invaded Russia and after the Russian winter that would defeat the German army had already begun.
In 1941 (before US entry into the war) the Brookings Institute published "Nazi Europe and World Trade." The US government knew that the Nazi's were finished.
pine829 2 weeks ago
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@awaple The Battle of Britain was from July 1940 to Oct 1940. England whomped the Luftwaffe. Since Germany did not have air superiority no invasion of Britain could occur.
The French surrendered June 22, 1940.
English troops were evacuated at Dunkirk.
At this point, Hitler had already won Europe.
The invasion of Russia began June 22 1941. On Sept 12 1941, the first snow began to fall in Russia. This was the beginning of the end.
The US did not enter the war until Dec 1941
pine829 2 weeks ago
@awaple The point of all this is that the US had no defensive need to enter WW2. Germany did not pose a strategic threat to the US. The could not invade England only 20 miles away. The could not invade the US 2000 miles away. We knew they were running out of material and oil. They had already committed the critical mistake of invading Russia.
France, Holland, Belgium, Norway had already surrendered and the Germany were already beat by Dec 1941.
We entered the war for booty and power.
pine829 2 weeks ago
@pine82 not true. when the Japanesse bombed us we entered war with them. Then since the Japanesse were apart of the Axis war machine, they decided to declare war on us.
gamerlehu1238 2 weeks ago
@gamerlehu1238 I'm not sure what you're saying.
The US had already committed acts of war on Japan before Dec 7 1941 including shutting off their oil supply and flying air strikes against them with the Flying Tigers...so technically we were already at war with them. We were also engaging in other provocative acts like building up a huge B-17 bomber capacity in the Philippines and sailing ships into the Bungo Strait. FDR baited them into a strike.
pine829 2 weeks ago
@pine829 Well, piney boy, I'd take FDR over you any day. Question: relevance of surrender of France, Holland, Belgium, Norway to your argument? And for a country that was already beaten, it is pretty impressive that Germany held out for over 3.5 years more!
gracielet13 1 week ago
@gracielet13 Several corrections:
You and the rest of the retarded sheep in the US did take FDR's bait and allowed him to slaughter your sons for his ambition.
I'm not a boy.
The US did not enter the war until after it was already decided. Germany was on the path to a loss with Russia.
The US entered for imperialistic reasons not defense of its homeland.
Read the Brookings report from 1941 on the industrial and military capability of Germany.
pine829 1 week ago
@awaple The US telling of WW2 history is mostly bullcrap. Germany was not a threat to the US. They had no ability to invade us. They were no more a "bad guy" than any of the other players. They were ALL bad. As it was, we entered the war on Stalins side. By the numbers, he was a much bigger murderer than Hitler. Therefore, we entered on the side of the "bigger" bad guy. Moreover, the US and its allies engaged in civilian terrorist (area) bombing. Again bad. We also starved German troops
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@Thekikler1
I am well aware of world war 2 and Doolittle Raid but I do appreciate your youtube thoughtfulness and wish you a happy new year.
DanSaw120285 3 weeks ago
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DanSaw120285 3 weeks ago
America's greatest president? Thumbs up if you agree
LTDANMAN44 4 weeks ago
I thought pearl harbor was awesome for killing american soliders!LONG LIVE MARXISM!
powell356 1 month ago
@powell356 Sweet man. Thanks for your input, your character as a human being really shows here.
TheGinganinja14 3 weeks ago
3 things now
#1: we need another like Roosevelt to lead our great nation.
#2:why are we arguing about politics on this video?
#3: Danke for putting this online. people need to know about this. you can't know where you are and where you're going, without knowing where you've been.
epicwinface 1 month ago 4
@epicwinface i know you might not agree with this but im willing to take this chance, But, Obama is the closest thing to Roosevelt will get, he knows how to use the military EXTREMLY well, just look at the killing of osama bin laden, no president would dare crossing into pakistan without content, he knows we need to go to war with pakistan, and i wont deny it, alot of the things he said would happen in the econemy failed, but he wins the hearts of the people, thats the truest victory of all.
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Japanese were as evil as Nazis.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets when they became ill.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japan.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
KimInLosAngeles 1 month ago
Last night,
Chowkin9 1 month ago
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The number of China in the Sino-Japanese War Victims. Coalition reports 132 million people in 1945.
438 million people in 1948 Chiang Kai-shek Nationalist government report. 10 million textbooks in China 1950. The Chinese government released about 21 million people in 1985 .(40 years anti-Japanese) And from now on official figures in museums and textbooks.
Currently about 35 million .(after speaking with a speech Jiang Zemin, and official figures of the Nanjing Memorial Hall)
taitei969 1 month ago
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taitei969 1 month ago
22 people obviosly arent from the US
traciehatin 1 month ago
Americans who died during Pearl Harbor: 2117 people.
Japanese who died during Nagasaki + Hiroshima: Around 105 000 people.
Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were filled with civilians. Let us be free from hypocrisy people. An estimated 17 000 children starve to death everyday. Where is the topic honoring their deaths? It does not exist.
Mzik4urEars 1 month ago
@Mzik4urEars I am not sure where you get your facts, Hiroshima & Nagasaki were Industrial and military targets DURING WARTIME, Pearl Harbor was attacked DURING PEACETIME, had over 2400 deaths and if you include the concurrent PEACE ATTACKS on the Philippines that number rises to over 15000, not to mention the MILLIONS of civilians the Japanese killed in China and Korea during their invasions and occupations of those places.
Wilthain 1 month ago in playlist December 8th
@Mzik4urEars Don't start shit you can't finish.
CbradyNJ 1 month ago
@Mzik4urEars Japan asked for it
TheAtdheu 1 month ago
@Mzik4urEars you tube is a horrible soap box, your whining is falling on deaf ears.
BLACKOPSIII 1 month ago
@Mzik4urEars Chinese who died by the Japanese: 9,000,000- 20,000,000
this alone, if you respect the lives of innocent people was reason enough to use the atomic bombs on the japanese.
Patfitz1234 1 month ago
@Patfitz1234 Yeah but china kills their own people now.
IS0iOS 1 month ago
@IS0iOS yes, the communist party killed chinese people, but at the time of world war 2, the nationalist were in control of china. the communist didn't come into power until after the japanese reduced the power of the nationalists.
Patfitz1234 1 month ago
@Patfitz1234
In China, the killing had been a Nationalist and Communist Party. Please do not do anything the responsibility of the Japanese Army. By the way, do you think about Mao Zedong?
taitei969 1 month ago
@taitei969 many of the chinese were killed by the nationalist in control of china, but the japanese killed a great deal more innocent chinese lives, far more than the nationalist did. Mao didn't come into power until after the war. Mao was a horrible person, but he did not have a significance in world war 2.
Patfitz1234 1 month ago
@Patfitz1234
I am mysterious.
Why will not there be a person saying that parents were murdered to a Chinese by Mao Zedong?
There are considerably more dead people of the Cultural Revolution than a dead person of the Japan-China War.
As for most Chinese whom I watched, it seemed to be put parents and grandparents out at the Internet in the Japanese military.
taitei969 1 month ago
How could anybody dislike this? I can't understand what you are thinking. So many people died, and for what?
calzeph1 1 month ago
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calzeph1 1 month ago
this day is to be never forgotten. I am only 28 but i Know what WE Sacrificed. White, Black, from other shores we are all treated the same. We are treated as Americans. We are one of the few nations that are free. People, understand that. Your ideological thoughts mean nothing to those who want us Dead. Stand as one to defend this Great Nation. And we will always survive and rise from the ashes as the Greatest.
Apollo2003 1 month ago
rip all who died
sabu9972 1 month ago
december 7 1941 the 2nd worst day the usa
sabu9972 1 month ago
r.i.p for all of those who died
Talfo08 1 month ago
This was as inside as 9/11.....for all you who want to say no....think what country in their right mind would attack the U.S. head on
JDillinger101 1 month ago
@JDillinger101 Ha ha......this is a funny joke!
ajudd4u 1 month ago
@bigbrotherxp Why do you say that?
dumkopf 1 month ago
Pearl Harbor was an inside job
massine10 1 month ago
@Church96 right, cause they really have a choice. You're a dumbass. Anyone that says soldiers can kiss their ass obviously has no fucking clue what's going on in the world.
boomerfan2005 1 month ago
This is only about half of the speech. It doesn't even contain the actual request for a declaration of war by congress.
mjb784533 1 month ago
I'm sad to say I don't think the current generation in america could handle WWIII. This was perhaps the greatest fighting generation but we are the greatest tech generation of all time...
bigbrotherxp 1 month ago
God Bless America!
heyheyjonnyk 1 month ago
The hate comments crack me up! Yes that generation gave all for our country and God bless them for all they did for us, that by no means explains the politic of the times or the treason that has crept in and abused our service men and women. many presidents and politicians spoke in regards to it and many turned up dead.... I'm sure its just coincidental.I know... its one of those there "conspiracy theorists" just remember we can pretend what we want but we will all see whats real, together.
smithersthewoodman 1 month ago
@tinytimmee51....Canada doesn't want his sad ass either! Don't be so hard on him...he plays video games and posts them. He's at "THAT" level in his maturity. His screen name is Tiny Tim. that really says it all..... he also can not spell correctly. He didn't even give Hitler the proper Grammatical capitalization... I will say this however: PEARto Rico sounds nice.... if I knew where that was located, I might try visiting.... the minute I get REALESed from my daily activities.; )
kitten081011 1 month ago
Btw if u hate this country then get the hell out and go to Canada or Mexico, idc where just not here. We don't need ur racist shit.
rabi1812 1 month ago
@tinytimmee51 shut the hell up and screw u. The men and women of that era sacrifice everything for us. So keep your thoughts to your self u dumb ass bigot.
rabi1812 1 month ago
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Abraham lincoln was wrong for realesing the niggers and whoever said tht pertoricans shuld go back were they came from well for ur info pearto rico is us territory there americans too i hate this country hail hitler he was doing the right thing stupid jews
tinytimmee51 1 month ago
@tinytimmee51: The pristine clarity of your thoughts as evinced by your eloquence does full justice to your cause and your beliefs.
ahmrahtcheer 1 month ago 3
and talking about my seven uncle's ..
sayagainrogerthat 1 month ago
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My great-grandfather was a Third Class Petty Officer of the Navy onboard the USS California during the attack. He fell overboard moments before the ship sank. He continued service in the war in the Pacific and fought in the battle of Okinawa. He was shot twice, once in the throught once in the neck but fought on. He was later sationed at the island were the Enola Gay was built and took off from for Hiroshima. He knew the bomb was aboard. God Bless you, Meryl Ostwald, Navy 1940-45 Life 1919-1997
CodySohma 1 month ago
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CodySohma 1 month ago
ur talking about my grandparents!!! tread lightly!!! they preserved this nation!!! and paid with it with blood!!!
ca194216 1 month ago 21
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@ca194216 Americans who died during Pearl Harbor: 2117 people.
Japanese who died during Nagasaki + Hiroshima: Around 105 000 people.
Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were filled with civilians. Let us be free from hypocrisy people. An estimated 17 000 children starve to death everyday. Where is the topic honoring their deaths? It does not exist.
Mzik4urEars 1 month ago
@ca194216 everyone paid in blood even our soldiers there deaths were not in vain remember we bombed japen in 1942
crobledo89 1 month ago
@crobledo89
Try 1945.
DanSaw120285 1 month ago
@DanSaw120285 Try 1942.. Doolittle Raid.
Thekikler1 1 month ago
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DanSaw120285 1 month ago
@ca194216 With all respect to your grandparents, they only preserved the empires of a bunch of Europeans...the Brits and the French mostly and made a bunch of US industrialists rich. In actuality, FDR traded their lives for US "opportunity" in both political power and industrial wealth. Germany could not invade Britain in WW2, they could not invade us.
The sad fact is the 300,000 Americans died for foreign "interests", not freedom.
We are a nation of easily manipulated fools.
pine829 2 weeks ago
Go figure 22 people are terrorist.
VictorAUlloa 1 month ago
"We have done nothing but fill an enemy with terrible resolve..."
- Isoroku Yamamoto, plotter of Pearl Harbor attack, December 1941 -- KIA over Pacific, 1943.
FutureiMacuser 1 month ago
I understand he was dealing with something difficult, but he expanded government like no other, and interned Japanese Americans who were completely innocent. He get's no respect from me.
SamTheRubberMan 2 months ago
@SamTheRubberMan On the other hand, the Japanese would not have simply interned people, they would have treated everyone the same way they treated the Chinese.......
bwild61 2 months ago
jon voights voice is better had far more inflections
datrumaniac 2 months ago
@posidenrocks A Japenese Commander said " I fear we have Awoken a sleeping Dragon " - After the attack on pearl harbor
ElderKickass 2 months ago
@ElderKickass not a commander an admiral. admiral yamamoto
datrumaniac 2 months ago
@datrumaniac -- Well i have no respect for the japanese army at the time so i know its not historicly accurate but who cares , hes a jap thousands of their men killed themselves
ElderKickass 2 months ago
@ElderKickass your point being if anything our actions to end the war were far worse than the japanese actions that brought us into the war at least they only targeted military targets were didnt even follow our own R.O.Es when we nuked not one but 2 civlian cities both full of innocent women and children wheres your justification for that?
datrumaniac 2 months ago
@datrumaniac You fight a war to win not to play fair , They started it we ended it simple as that
ElderKickass 2 months ago
@ElderKickass i was arguring that point what i was saying was that you cant hate an whole people who have been defeated and you really cant be a hypocrite about war when all they did is fight it the same war you mention about not being fair
datrumaniac 2 months ago
@ElderKickass And back to the point is THEY started it with pearl harbor , we did nothing to them , we ended it at Hiroshima and Nakasaki
ElderKickass 2 months ago
@ElderKickass "I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant"*
Feldoom 2 months ago
Mr.Haizzer you are a person that deserves immediate deportation to whatever rock you crawled from under. You are the idiot, and anyone that reads your post will immediately recognize that fact. Please go back to your own country you sorry, rotten, S.O.B. and may your soul rot in HELL.
46musiclover 2 months ago
well first of all i think japan did wwhat was right it attacked one of the most powerful countries in the world ....and by doing that it proved to the world that fucking americans think they were gods but they were wrong fuck all those americans that aere racist and think they are the supreme race of the world fuck all those of you who hate immigrnats why? ill tell you why because america like they call it was and it continues to be built by us by immagrnats bcuzz so fuck all racist ppl god bles
MrHaizzer 3 months ago
@MrHaizzer Haha you're an idiot
koryworm 3 months ago
@MrHaizzer well then
mmadonna62341 2 months ago
Fuck this man.
IS0iOS 3 months ago
good speach such a pitty what the U.S.A. has become though
bolloxfrollox 3 months ago
it is quite amazing how the USA and Japan <3 eachother these days... this is true proof that the USA forgives.... although it is sort of hard to forgive 9/11 idk y it just is...
machogrubba14 3 months ago
hirohito created 22 accounts and disliked this
WW2expert1 4 months ago
great video great president.... if roosevelt was still president america would be in a better condition than what it is now
WW2expert1 4 months ago
@WW2expert1
Understatment of the century.
rrrevan 4 months ago
@rrrevan wow thats all you got because basicly you trying to say roosevelt was the worst president
WW2expert1 4 months ago
@WW2expert1
Were you drunk when you wrote that?
First I agree with you by saying your declaration that the US would be better today under FDR is an understatement (aka the US would be much much much better off with FDR)
Then you accuse me of saying Roosevelt was the worst president ever...what?????? Read carefully and while sober before posting responses please
rrrevan 4 months ago
@rrrevan i will laugh when some kids mom or dad sees your comment and yells at you for saying that kind of language XD
WW2expert1 4 months ago
@WW2expert1
And I'll stop laughing when you make some fucking sense
some kids mom or dad? that kind of language?
rrrevan 3 months ago
This was when America had it's TOUGHEST generation of Americans...They will inspire us forever...
rockndude87 4 months ago
i memorised this speech :) ... japs here ..
bucanaboyz 4 months ago
21 people are fucking retarded
mrlair 4 months ago 2
the japs awoke a sleeping giant. General Kotohito knew that after the attack.
joewhatthehellman 4 months ago
yyyyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!kill them all!!!!AMERICA 1
BISMARCK875 5 months ago
FDR one of the greatest presidents ever!!!!
sabresrock234 5 months ago 2
Go Yamamoto!
Maetel22 5 months ago
The 1940s, when USA had balls and men didnt wear skirts. THEY WERE THE GREATEST GENERATION, R.I.P. Grandpa!
redjones 5 months ago 50
@redjones Amen! R I P Grandpa "V" Infantry, BIG RED ONE WWII. Two bronze stars.
danno131305 1 month ago
@redjones i must fully agree with you. FUCK YEAH 1940S USA HAD BALLS! they were in a hell of a war . They must had balls. R.I.P to all soldiers who died in that war. Soldiers now can kiss my ass, going to a country to take oil... pshh. back then they fought for their fucking country, not for stupid fossil fuel gas.
Church96 1 month ago
@Church96 But we're planning on having that oil so we can be the last country in the world with oil reserves so we can be the last with a functioning military, and so we can keep so many things in the U.S. cheap.
GeneralWAS 1 month ago
@GeneralWAS hows that going for u though.. things havent been cheap for a long time. Fossil fuel is running out. Sooner or later, the only gas we will have, is the gas in our cars. Thats all.
Church96 1 month ago
@Church96 I understand where your going and I can agree with you, I'm just calling how it seems. I think we should just finish what we started, with getting rid of communism so we can be taken seriously again.
GeneralWAS 1 month ago
how can you tell if someones american?
they have "faggot" "pussey" "you people" something about going back to your country, something about a righteous cause, spelling mistakes or all of the above in their comment.
Congrats, your country is proud of you, keeping up the stereotype that americans are uneducated, ignorant cunts.
Sadest part is they're either 13 year olds with delusions of patriotism or 23 year olds with delusions of patriotism. Try the army shitforbrains! you'll learn sometihng
smac4494 5 months ago 2
@smac4494 im american and i love that statement smac
brmillgr 4 months ago
Pearl Harbor was an inside job concocted by the Democrats to justify invading Germany.
360Nomad 5 months ago
the ones who disliked this video is japs
robloxian8153 5 months ago 2
The greatest U.S Democrat President in history
sgt365 6 months ago 4
an also even tho united states were in piece with that nation, the fucking americans cut oil transports to them was this an accident? idk
alldud13 6 months ago
@alldud13 A trade embargo. No us oil company was allowed to sell to Japan because of there actions in China.
leonia97 5 months ago
Did anyone not know that america meant beautiful country? why o why did the japanese bomb it
alldud13 6 months ago
i think all purto ricans shold go back to there tropical island. there would be less crime here
tefmpa42 6 months ago
@tefmpa42 Nice grammar there. You might wanna concentrate on school instead of making dumb comments on youtube.
boricua6483 6 months ago
Play this at the same time.
/watch?v=Z0kGAz6HYM8
unit518 6 months ago
who in gods name would dislike this?!
sprenr03 6 months ago
Umm dude you messed up at the beggining its Dec 7 1941. Just sayin
tt84988 7 months ago
@tt84988 This speech was given the day after the attack on pearl harbor though, so his date of this address was correct.
pac6010 7 months ago
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You people dont have any respect or understanding for this beautiful country and more or less yourself, You know deep inside your cowards who do nothing in life, You will die nothing, What purpose do you serve ? I'll tell you what, Mr Roosevelt was a great man that many wish they could be, Not one person has the power, mind, wealth, heart, courage, honor to fill his shoes.
unlike all you american hating fagoots, I love america, Immigration laws are getting strict, Than you go back where you cam
VictorAUlloa 7 months ago 33
@VictorAUlloa You are a dumb ass sucker. Roosevelt was an illuminati scum. Every war in the world was intentional and started by the international banking system for the purpose of making profits while adding to the national debt of all countries. Roosevelt even had family members on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank. How stupid and naive the American people are. Fuck Roosevelt the wolf in sheep’s clothing!
MrBongo43 6 months ago
@VictorAUlloa I love the US too but the evidence that FDR not only knew about the attack but took steps to provoke Japan and then withheld information from the commanders at Pearl till after the attack is overwhelming. Japan didn't want to go to war with us. We should never have had to fight Japan. That makes FDR and those who new about the attack before hand cold blooded murderers.
356butch 5 months ago
@356butch Maybe the war was invoked to improve the U.S. economy. Remember there was an "economic depression" during that time. The war created jobs, reduced unemployment, and developed new technologies. But the longer you stay in a war the more debt you create for yourself -- that's why you have to get in and get out. FDR is the only U.S. president that served 3 terms.
ArtistBet 5 months ago
@356butch
You make me sick....The economy was running strong through 41 once FDR reinstated government spending. Not quiet at 1936 levels, but still very strong. The US had no economic reason to provoke Japan...
Japan didn't want to go to War?!?- then why did they sink a clearly marked destroyer (USS Panay) 4 years earlier?
Does the coordinated precision of Pearl Harbor suggests a country reluctant to go to war?? Spare us your nonsense - no accredited historian believes that.
rrrevan 4 months ago
@rrrevan I'm sorry you're not feeling well...perhaps it's from drinking all that Kool Aid. I find it interesting that you should bring up the Panay incident. It was not a destroyer as you say but a very small gun boat and except for a US flag painted on her deck, was NOT clearly marked. The Japs issued an apology and payed restitution for her accidental sinking. Contrary to your statement, nearly all accredited historians believe this. The evidence is overwhelming. Study! You only look a fool.
356butch 3 months ago
@356butch
FDR didn't see Japan as a priority. He was preoccupied with Europe.
Ironically for a "cold blooded murderer", FDR lectured his cabinet on the folly of cutting off Oil when JP looked to invade southern indo china (You can find Morgenthau's own quotes in the book FDR by JeanSmith) and only announced that licenses be issued on a case by case basis for petro shipments
Acheson towed the hard line on an oil embargo by defying FDR's orders and freezing all Japanese funds
rrrevan 3 months ago
@VictorAUlloa
And you would not be allowed in the US if you were immigrating. Learn the language of the land properly before you spew vile against others.
bky1701 4 months ago
@VictorAUlloa While I agree with you, your English could use some work.
bobapopp 3 months ago
@VictorAUlloa mr roosevelt could suck my dick and your white ass can go back to europe
DeaflyBlind 2 months ago
@DeaflyBlind SHut up, kid, you don't know what you're talking about. Keep you're mouth shut.
GECP4256 2 months ago
@DeaflyBlind way to represent us.
surshot56 2 months ago
@surshot56 represent who?
DeaflyBlind 2 months ago
@DeaflyBlind you're not very bright. Look at what you said to VictorAUlloa then look at my post to you, then put the pieces together boy.
surshot56 2 months ago
@VictorAUlloa I'm RIGHT there with you, I love America!
GECP4256 2 months ago
@VictorAUlloa
i agree, i'd love to see these haters say it to my face, i'd give them a face full of AR15. that's right foreigners, in america, we can own assault riles. jelly? ;)
lordteapot 2 months ago
@lordteapot Thanks, I'd love some jelly.... None for the foreigners though...(:
VictorAUlloa 1 month ago
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''SAVING MY PRIVATES" (2011 - tom hanks)
a MUST see video. you need a good stomach - added yesterday
MrChatItOut 7 months ago
20 people are Japanese
VamBiggush 7 months ago
@VamBiggush not nice man
RIXLAZZZ 6 months ago
@navy941 buddy you do realize thats the day the speech was made so you learn about history and listen 2 the full speech
JeremySlat1993 7 months ago
Dosn't he look like Jason Segel?
guitarmessiah95 7 months ago
@guitarmessiah95 HAAHAHA LAWL
That is prob the funniest thing i heard today.
P.S. HIMYM is awesome!
jarretttoh 7 months ago
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"Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, How Churchill lured Roosevelt into WWII", by James Rusbridger (of the Britsh SIS) & Eric Nave (of the Australian SIO) is another "page-turner" I can't put down. Very detailed, and you are the "fly_on_the_wall" watching and listening to it all. Just amazing, and will completely change your opinions of both FDR and Churchill.
AsianAmerican68 7 months ago
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FDR is a nigger lover,jew loving faggot.
meiro00102 7 months ago
We need an FDR today.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 7 months ago
If you knew anything you would know that we where just getting into any negotiations with Japan's government. We ended trade with Japan in the late 1800's. The Japanese knew and they told their Emperor that they could only fight the United States for 6 months before they ran out. Oil is also the reason why the Japanese invaded China. Their amount of oil had nothing to do with the United States.
SuperFranzjoseph 8 months ago
they started with Pearl Harbor those sons of bitches had it comin USA rules
MrBrigo21 9 months ago
fdr was a facist the new deal was a joke
ducksNblazers 9 months ago
Seriously, who fucking cares about Pearl Harbour? It was only 2,300 people. Compare that to French/British/Russian/German losses in either of the wars. It's nothing! This was a minor incident in the grand scheme of things.
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight Yea except these are human beings, human lives we are talking about you ignorant douchebag
ryanbradleyrankin 9 months ago
@ryanbradleyrankin Well, Truman killed 300,000 Japanese civilizans afterwards. So, I am missing something?
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight The Japs killed over 10 million civilians in China alone, and millions more in Indonesia and Indochina so I'd say they got let off pretty lightly. And I'd say the Japs should be thankful that it was the Americans who occupied their country and not the Chinese or Koreans who would have punished every Japanese man, woman and child for the atrocities committed on their homelands.
TheAussieNationalist 9 months ago
@TheAussieNationalist Two wrongs do not make a right. 300,000 Japanese civilizans died, not soldiers. That was Truman's fault. With Russian support, he could have had the Japs by late 1945, and that's no exaggeration.
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight I don't deny that the Japs could have been easily defeated without the nuclear bomb, but a land invasion would have resulted tens of thousands of Allied lives, and, especially if the Russias were involved, would have resulted in at least as many civillian deaths as what happeded with the A bomb. So the bomb saved more lives than what it took.
TheAussieNationalist 9 months ago
@TheAussieNationalist You're still ignoring the essential fact that they would have been SOLDIER deaths, whereas the Truman massacre was entirely CIVILIANS. How can anyone be upset about things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks but think THIS is OK?
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight Firstly SOLDIERS are people too! And as I already pointed out, civilian casualties would have been inevitable if a land invasion took place anyway, especially if the Russians were involved. Plus the Japs conscripted civilians into their army.
And pushing our culture on Japan was no disaster. It resulted in Japan being the friendly, peaceful and democratic society it is today. How arrogant of us Westerners!
TheAussieNationalist 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight How can anyone be upset about things like 9/11 or other terrorist attacks but think THIS is OK?
1It achieved SOMETHING, which was defeating Japan without an invasion, so it saved more lives than what it took. unlike 9/11 which achieved NOTHING other satisfying the desires of a sick, twisted Islamic fundamentalist.
2 It also demonstrated to the Soviet Union the power of the A bomb, which may have been what deterred them from invading Western Europe.
TheAussieNationalist 9 months ago
@TheAussieNationalist Don't make me laugh
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheAussieNationalist Not necessarily western Europe, but it sure as hell kept them out of Japan. And I think Americans and the Japanese should be happy about that considering what we KNOW Russian did to Germany. And you are right about the transition to Democracy. Whether you think dropping the a-bomb was right or wrong is was still a brutal action. But, out of the ashes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rose a better Japan. That stands as a credit to both Nations.
nhall022 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight Americans are lucky to have a skewed view of what war means because we have not had to fight one on our own soil for 150yrs. We do not understand civilian casualties happen because no one alive now has ever witnessed it. Civilian deaths are a part of war. Germany's bombing of Britain, our bombing of Germany and Japan all targeted civilians as a psychological weapon. Mark my words, the Japanese and Germans would have done the same to us had they been close enough.
nhall022 9 months ago
@nhall022 Asboloutely, America has never been under the threat of invasion therefore it didn't contribute much to either world war (much, much less in WW1 than WW2, though) except to preserve it's economic self interest. It was a psychological weapon, of course. But that is not an excuse to mass slaughter 300,000 Japanese civilizans.
TheLiberalKnight 9 months ago
@TheLiberalKnight You need to take an American history class. The reason why we were attacked at pearl harbor was because we went AGAINST our economic self interest and stopped trading with the Japanese. The Japanese realized that they could not win their wars in the pacific without the raw materials we were supplying them. So, they decided to take them from us by force, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process. Do your homework before you start throwing around accusations.
nhall022 9 months ago
@nhall022 Are you taking the piss? First of, Pearl Harbour did not kill hundreds of thousands