One expert who spoke at the United Nations estimates that up to 200 million women and girls are missing worldwide because of sex-selective abortion and female infanticide.
NOT TO WORRY,me and 40 thousand a year leave ,but wow it was once a beautiful place ,now it's just plastic and make believe ,and you can't take my memory away no matter how hard you try
@fuuinekusu. i think u misunderstood me. im totally against abortion. using using viagara is the same as a women using something to up her libido. it aint the same as abortion. as a married man the law says im not the father until the birth of the baby. that is oppressive and gives me no right to protect the life of my child. i understand ur prochoice but u r acting like its not anti-male which it is. if both parents had a say i could understand a little more although im still against it.
No, I think you misunderstood the whole point of the vid. She is comparing one kind of health care with another. That's it, that's all. If men had a choice in a woman's pregnancy decisions, that would be anti-woman. Punishing her for the way her body functions. A woman has the same right to determine WHO uses her body and when and how it is used, even when another's life is involved, via ongoing, informed and explicit consent, JUST like everyone else.
@fuuinekusu. what do u propose? b/c right now the laws are hilgly anti-male. u r right a women does have the right to who uses her body and that is real contraception. dont have sex with people u dont want to get pregnant by. once pregnant, u just cant murder the baby, its wrong. i mean why doesnt the man prevent his kids from dying. why isnt there a law that says if the mom's wants to have an abortion instead of abotion let the father have custody if he wants it. that way she wont raise it.
@mykole84 A woman also has the same financial and parental rights that a man has once there is an extant child. Financial/parental rights should NEVer be conflated with the right to bodily autonomy, for obvious reasons.
@fuuinekusu. that aint true a woman can give the baby up for adoption and not be financially responsible for it at all. if the father takes up the baby, she is not held responsible for it. show me one mother arrested for child support or the mothers being held as deadbeat moms. show me how the laws are the same. show why only a woman should decide if a baby is born. why do u and others feel the father/husband has no right to decide the life of his unborn child.
a man's reproductive healthcare doesnt involve harboring a living human.. ya dumb biatch.. of course the more i watch boxer the more i wish her mother had an abortion.. maybe shes on to something.
I think that a person should not be forced to have an abortion. If she does not want an abortion then she should not have one.. I am republican and this is what we want the law to say. I think that Obama care is forcing abortins onto the men of the USA.
Btw, David Park, you already HAVE public insurance. Medicaid, all of it is public insurance. These just have astronomical overheads. Why do you think eliminating overheads will increase costs rather than lower them? Did you fail math? I guess so...?
Also, 18,000 people dying a year. Compare that to Canada, where I live, and the FACT that my dad would have DIED with American coverage, and I will NEVER choose to live in the States. No WONder, after all....
There have been a lot of insane moral equivalency arguments coming out of Washington in the past year, but this one is the most unbelievable. What a disgrace. This should be the end of her careerbut unfortunately, thats not the world we live in and she won't be run out of town.
People vote for jackasses like this. It's not just that her comparison is horrifying, it's that she is so stupid as to think she is making a cogent point.
Sorry, but her comparison is cogent. It's horrifying that you can't see that. Your sticking your nose into a woman's uterus w/o sticking your nose into a man's private parts. That you think a woman's body can be controlled but not a man's? That is ALL she is discussing. And it's OBvious unless you're REAAALLLLY stupid.
@fuuinekusu That is not what the argument is about, no matter how many times you and others try to spin it. The argument is about whether what is in the woman's uterus is a live human being. The fact that you don't have the courage to face that as the fundamental question is pathetic. To compare a man's ability to get an erection to an abortion is about as disgusting as it gets. And you defend that as cogent. Get help.
Actually, it is not. IF that were the case you would give organ recipients the SAME right to live that you would grant fetuses. You don't. So, it is NOT about whether one is a live human being, not EVEN for PLers. SO sorry.
You really need to get help, if you think hypocrisy is cogent. Thanks.
@fuuinekusu I can't even understand what you are trying to say...maybe you were wasted when you wrote it. What do organ recipients have to do with anything? And since when do I not think that they, as living humans, have less of a right to live? Do you even know what cogent means? I don't think you do!
@fuuinekusu The law prohibits people from doing many things with their bodies. Shooting up heroin is one and prostitution is another. Men and women can be jailed for doing these things. Yet they are victimless crimes and there is always at least one victim in abortion.
Possession, not ingestion, is the crime. There is no victim in abortion. Unless you are going to say that a rapist is the victim of the crime of rape. Since the rapist and the fetus both use a person's body against their will, a right NO one (else) has, not even to save their life. The woman is the victim of an unwanted pregnancy. Either she is denied the same rights as everyone else or the same sexual freedoms, merely because of her biology.
Abortion is NOT reproductive health care. Production has already occurred when an abortion is performed. Hence the term "terminating a pregnancy".
It is a medical procedure that destroys an unborn child. Call it a zygote. a fetus or what ever you like. Abortion terminates a growing life.
You are using Viagra as a comparison to abortion? Not only are you "out there", but you a fundamentally and intellectually challenged by your progressive ideals!
A zygote should be considered a life in the same way that a twins should be considered the same person.
A vasectomy should be equal to abortion, because really anti-freedom of choice people are "attempting to protect" the POTENTIAL for a baby not a baby. And thereby knowingly restricting sperm should also be considered murder, because it's the elimination of the potential.
@coolthomas2011 If every human that you see on earth was once a zygote, the laws of logic tell you that is not potential life, but the beginning of life. Potential entails the probability of life, it is not probable if it already exists. You cannot abort something that is not there. This is ridiculous
shooterca51: my opinion is that her decision should be an informed one. Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being and is also a traumatic experience performed at the site of the initial trauma of the rape. Are people who take abortion for granted in that situation sensitive to that?
My friend's girlfriend was raped by her stepfather when she was 15. She wouldn't entertain the idea of abortion despite major harassment from the hospital, social workers and her school. How wrong is that?
Ah, you read my profile. No, I didn't know her. She was in prison before I came and is still in prison now that I've come home and looks to be for a long time. The murder happened about 200 meters from my apartment but a year earlier. I used to drink at the bar that was owned by Patrick Lumumba who was wrongfully accused and exonerated.
hopeurfree: I believe in Occam's Razor, that is, I think that the simplest explanation is likeliest the correct one. If the evidence points to a break-in, why assume it was staged? I think the prosecution's case is weak. I think the forensic evidence was viewed with prejudice to fit a salacious story of sexualized violence, but the only DNA at the scene was that of the drug dealer, Rudy Guede. Amanda Knox smoked some pot and acted flaky and changed her story, but that doesn't prove murder.
shooterca51: if you read my previous comments, you'll see that I am not trying to "force" anyone to do anything. I simply want our culture and the consciences of individuals to value life. When and where that happens, abortion clinics close for simple lack of demand. Do keep in mind that a culture that values human life also values women and girls and does not tolerate rape and incest. Close to where I live, however, abortion clinic staff are not reporting their clients' rapes to authorities.
shooterca51: Do you have an example? First of all, the range and incidence of medical conditions which would arguably necessitate an obstetric or therapeutic abortion are quite rare - nowhere near the 1% (100,000+ annually) figure currently performed in the U.S. for that reason. This is what gynecologists tell me, and they should know. All effort must be made to safeguard mother AND child. Sometimes, to treat a condition in the mother, fetal death is unavoidable but ought to be regrettable.
people its not to late to be saved! in romans ch10 vers 9-11
that if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved! for with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. in acts ch 2 vers 38
then peter said to them repent ,and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit !
Just saw the latest gallup poll on abortion. 49% are pro-life, 44% are pro-choice. Who exactly are the 44% pro-choice people. how could someone be so heartless to kill an unborn child. We saw it with slavery and that took way to long to stop and now its taking to long to stop abortions. We need to stop this cruelty to human-rights now!
people its not to late to be saved! in romans ch10 vers 9-11
that if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved! for with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. in acts ch 2 vers 38
then peter said to them repent ,and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit !
Barbara Boxer is nothing more than one more Democrat thief with their hands in the taxpayers pocket. Using other peoples money to fund the takeover of America.
STD rates and abortion's could both be lowered if we didn't try to demonize condoms and other forms of birth control and taught responsible sex practices rather than abstinence only.
Cool - I don't know where I've seen either demonized. STD rates and abortions will never be lowered until free love ideology (Socialist/Democrat) is reversed. The idea that you can have sex without consequences is laughable. If you are gonna' screw around, you stand a pretty good chance of getting infected. Moral to this story is to raise your personal standards.
Ok so demonize was probably the wrong choice in words. For instance, I live in Indiana, and state funding is primarily restricted to abstinence only sex eduction. It's not demonizing it, it's more so stigmatizing it. Another that is not as frequently discussed, outside of the gay community, is getting tested regularly.
Also where does Socialist/Democrat relate to free love?
The funny thing is though that I'm a democratic socialist.
You didn't even live through the 60's, so you would not know what I mean. Sorry about the analogy as to when the free love movement happened. that is when sexual diseases became rampant.
If a person is so stupid as to not know how to use a condom or birth control, they probably ought to be fixed (just kidding). To spend large sums of money on teaching sex education is a waste of money.
Ideology..... You are so far to the left, you ideas are like retreads, looks good on the outside but crap on the inside. That ideology went out with the sixties.
Immediately after conception, your entire makeup is decided. What you will look like, the color of your hair, eyes, whether you will be short, tall, skinny, everything about you is decided at that point. The only difference between a fertilized egg and an old man is time and physical changes. You age from fertilization till the day you die.
Hey you pro-lifers. Keep an eye on the "ball" about this abortion HC. Boxer is a sneaky, slimy bitch. She will try to get it slipped through in the dark of night when no ones looking or attach it to another bill going through congress. DO NOT TRUST HER OR FIENSTEIN EITHER!
You got that right hopeurfree. They're are definitly some eveil ppl in Washington. Scares the heck out of me! Oh yeah, I forgot to add the other sneaky, slimy bitch from CA--Pelosi. I think she's the worst out of all of them. Isn't funny how they think they're speaking for ALL women, when, in fact, most women don't even remotely think like they do?
All of a sudden, it is like they all became these hateful, spiteful people bent on destroying this country, it's freedoms and the free enterprise system that built the greatest country on earth.
I went to your site and am impressed. At first I thought you were a woman b cuz of the way you feel about children and abortions, but found out you are a man, which I find even cooler. We have a lot in common. You're definitly from my generation and have the same spirit for America that I do. It's nice to talk to you.
Well, my wife was adopted, her mother was 16. My two children are adopted, their mother was 17(?). Without my wife and children, my life would be drastically different. That would be sad, for I am happy.
Yeah, I know what you are saying. My daughter was 16 (still in HS) when she had her 1st baby. I must have taught her well b cuz abortion never entered her mind, although she did get peer pressure about it. It was very hard for in the beginning, but she had lots of help from the proud gran p's. Today the child is almost 12 years old and is the smartest and handsomest little man one could imagine. Looking back, I wldn't want her to change a thing. She's an RN now working with sick children.
Sandio - God Bless your little girl. More babies are aborted in America in 6 months than all of the American soldiers who lost their lives in all of WWII. It takes only 2 weeks of abortions to match all of the soldiers lost in Viet Nam.
Perhaps Ms Boxer needs some Viagra for her man. Then she could get a little "something, something" and maybe she'd have a better out look. Good luck on that one, Babs! Viva Viagra!
If women were allowed to get free abortions. Unfortunately, they would be lining up and around buildings. Just like women who get free medical care to have babies, they take advantage of it. It's so sad, but it's so true.
Babbling Babs the Bimbo from Brooklyn (she was born there; guess she moved to California so she would have a better chance of getting her leftist, socialist, liberal agenda across?) is an idiot. The good people of California deserve better than a politician who has to remind people to call her senator because she thinks she "has earned it" Californians, send her a message in 2010, that you want a public servant, not a title holder. VOTE HER LOUD & OBNOXIOUS MOUTH OUT OFF OFFICE!!!!
Proving once again that libs are a bunch of wacko bigots... she is absolutely ridiculous.. comparing a pill to murder? "Her reproductive healthcare" you mean paying for her recklessness.. God Help us all if she is ever re-elected to a public office again
Rape is not recklessness. We should further punish a 12, 13, 14 year old girl because she was raped? What about cases where the child is directly harming the mother's health is it better to let the child grow up knowing that his or her existance is the cause of his or her mother's premature death?
PS Senator Boxer has been a Senator since 1993, your last statement seems to really not think about that.
Excuse me.. but where did you see me mention cases of rape????
For us rational people it is directly implied that rape is not an act of volition therefore negates accountability due to the fact that it is not "reckless"
Boxer is a Godless heathen who is out of touch with reality
That's really a hard question and would take a lot of soul searching. I and my daughter are very much against aborition so it's a tough decision. If I had my druthers, as much as I disagree with abortion, I wld say that a HC opt. for rape and incest victims should be afforded to them. I mean, rape and incest is hard enough for women, and having the baby around reminding them of the trauma they went through may not be a good thing either. It might take a VERY strong person to keep the baby.
As you can imagine, it wasn't easy as parents in getting the news that your teen is pregnant. But the worse thing a parent can do is turn their backs and leave the teen to make such a heart-wrenching decisions on their own. Many parents get angry and turn their backs; consequently, leaving a scared teen to make the decision on thier own. It goes without saying what most teens would choose. Parents need to get over the "perfect world" idea and support their teens in good times and bad.
LOL there is NO dispute that a biological is considered life. A microbed is "life" the question we adults are dealing with is "human life" You as a human being began once the sperm entered the egg. We are always in stages development. (ie infant, toddler, pre-adolescent, adult, senior citizen and finally cadaver) Don't let geography and subject science determine what constitutes "human" or else they can do that with you at ANY time
coolthomas2011: a healthy male can produce millions of spermatazoa that will have a life cycle of a few days; this has an evolutionary purpose for the survival of the species.
The Catholic Church frowns on masturbation because lust is a deadly sin, and masturbation teaches you that your body is just for getting off and to treat your relationships with other human beings casually. Eg. pornography exploits women and often accompanies masturbation, but the wanker doesn't care.
hopeurfree: the conditions of conception (ie. rape) don't change the humanity of the child. In fact, apart from resemblance and 23 chromosomes, nothing of the rapist's character will be passed on to the child because he or she is innocent. The children of rape value their own lives, and we should too. I also think it would be needlessly cruel to criminalize abortion in case of rape, but I also recognize that an abortion is a second trauma and one that kills the child who's committed no crime.
hopeurfree: Do you have any proof that the urge to rape is genetic? bc we have people today who were the products of rape, and I don't think that they rape with any greater incidence than the larger population. Rather, I think the rape dynamic comes from child abuse, which means it can be prevented. Aborting the product of rape is execution for a crime they've not committed.
Execution of what though? It isn't what anyone could objectively consider human.
Abortion ends the life of a fertilized egg, or a partially developed baby which is not only devoid of a brain, but cannot survive on its own either.
You could just as easily say removing a benign tumor is executing life for a crime it didn't commit. Its not hurting you, it needs you to live, it just grows and exists as a brainless mass.
Ragnheidr: you seem woefully ignorant of prenatal development (eg. "devoid of a brain"). The embryo is only a "fertilized egg" for a few days. By the time a woman discovers she is pregnant and might consider a surgical abortion, the ever growing embryo has its own heartbeat. This is detectable by ultrasound from the sixth gestational week. That's autonomic brain function doing that, not the mother's. If you wish to remain obstinately ignorant of human embryology, you quickly discredit yourself.
You got me, Since a brain that is developed enough to beat a heart must be human right? and therefor we should give it more rights than the mother it requires to live.
I hope you weren't also implying that by possessing the ability to beat a heart somehow makes it independent from the mother.
But of course, i'm ignorant, because when looking at a pool of soup I see a pool of soup whereas you see so much more than is actually there.
Ragnheidr: no more rights than the mother but equal rights, meaning the right to life, which is not being denied the mother (except in rare medical cases) but is specifically taken from the child. Yes, the child is dependent on the mother to live, but so are her borne children. So are all of us on each other in society. God forbid a child live.
What am I imagining here, Ragnheidr? I honestly don't think you can definitively prove that the embryo/fetus isn't human, but knock yourself out trying.
Ragnheidr: we can argue about the humanity of prenatal life till the cows come home. My question to you is, where is your empathy for the life that is being taken? We can argue about the legality of abortion as well (I am pro-life but a proponent of the "safe, legal and rare" position), but my deeper question is, if you support abortion as a choice for a woman with an unintended pregnancy, why are you determined to minimize what abortion actually is? Does that tell you something?
The mother and baby are one. Since it is a part of her body, and she will create it, the baby's life is not it's own and it is solely her choice to allow it to develop into a child or not. So by giving it rights, you are abdicating the rights of a mother around her own body.
Minimize abortion from what exactly? As it stands, abortion can halt the development of a baby before it has a chance to be self-aware, emotional, human. This is a blessing, what nature intended but couldn't provide.
So. Self awareness & emotional is what makes you human? As long as a child is in the womb, the mother should have complete control over the child. Are you saying a child must be born to have rights?
Selfawareness and emotion are a couple of things that make up humanity, I believe they suffice for a youtube post
My point was mainly that some of what causes people to see more than what's there is a beating heart, growing fingernails, a tiny shape that resembles a baby.
You can be looking at a corpse and think it's a friend, but with the brain dead the human you knew is gone.
The mother and the baby are one and the same, she holds the rights and responsibility of her body and baby until birth.
At the point of conception, your entire self is present. You begin the aging process at conception. The only difference between a fertilized egg and a aged person is time and the changes are only physical. What you are meant to appear as is set at conception.
"The mother and the baby are one and the same, she holds the rights and responsibility of her body and baby until birth."
Ragnheidr: The fact that you are referring to "mother and baby" as separate entities means even you know your own statement is false. The child's body is distinct from the mother's from conception. Heck, they even have different blood types. The blood never mixes, but nutrients are exchanged across the umbilical cord. I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to HER own body.
My fingernails, my eyes, I own them, giving them a name doesn't make them separate from myself.
I hold that the baby is a part of the mother until they separate, just as a cell divides, where there was one, now there are two. A cell will go through changes to prepare for separation, but it is still one cell.
When thinking about abortion I am reminded about cases involving parasitic twins, these partially developed babies are part of the sibling and also fall under their authority.
At the minute of conception, the whole plan for a human is set. The only thing that it needs is time and nourishment. To consider the unborn nothing more than property of the mother to do with as she pleases is barbaric.
Ragnheidr: when cells reproduce by splitting, this is asexual reproduction, so what you describe is entirely inaccurate when compared to actual human biology. As you may know, human beings reproduce sexually, which means when the sperm penetrates the egg, their membranes break down to produce a new organism, which - this is important - is neither the father nor the mother, but is contained within the mother. The water inside a glass is not itself glass even though both are clear. Understand?
You are so full of shit! Sorry, had to say it. You make to sense at all. You are so out there and apparently are lovin' it. Get a life (oh, you have one- your Momma chose life!
It is not wrong to remove a parasitic twin, it is at that point just growing (sustaining its existence) and if it is harmful to the dominant twin then often removed.
I do accept that abortion kills a human, but calling a partially developed baby human, with all the associations people bring with humanity is disingenuous.
Ragnheidr: Your fingernails, eyes, etc. are not your mother's property. Your children's parts are not yours. That new human being also has bodily integrity, which means it is a separate and complete organism from conception and distinct from the mother. To say he/she isn't human because it's not fully developed is to call a four-year-old less human than an adult. Here we are again on the slippery slope of dehumanization. Question: do you think our human rights are inherent or assigned?
Ragnheidr: your analogy of the "parasitic" twin is inaccurate. Conjoined twins are two individuals, not one. Neither one is the mother. The "parasitic" twin is a miscarriage which is deprived of nutrients in utero by the dominant twin. The prenatal child, on the other hand, is not technically attached to the mother (no, really), shares no organs, is not the mother's twin, and is not, by definition, "parasitic". The mother's body is designed to accommodate pregnancy; the child is not "harmful".
@DalisYT not to mention the mans genetic material which is a part of him is also in the fetus, so should we make it legal for a man to baseball bat pregnant women because its his body to.
"Selfawareness and emotion are a couple of things that make up humanity".
Ragnheidr: If you attempt to boil down humanity to certain criteria, you will always run up against too many exceptions in the borne human population which will lend to a slippery slope of dehumanization. In this quote, for example, you have just said that people who suffer from lobotomies are no longer human since they can't experience emotion. Additionally, self-awareness happens well after birth. See the problem?
Ragnheidr: What I mean by "minimize" is that you aren't willing to accept that abortion kills a human being. I can understand why; killing a human being is awful and nothing you'd want to support. And if you have to accept that, it calls into question your world view and maybe the beliefs or actions of people you're close to. That's scary. I think you've decided that abortion is a social or a personal "blessing" and you're fudging the science to justify the ends. If I'm wrong, tell me how.
But then you are contradicting your opinion about every life should be given a chance. I agree with you that abortion should not be used as birth control, however, but making making it illegal would cause women to seek more dangerous method, especially should the child survive and sometimes they do! I I think that abstinence only sex ed has done nothing for students, and bettering sex ed can dramatically decrease the need for abortion.
There is a contradiction. You claim life is sacred, but then you say that it's okay in cases of rape. So a fetus's life is not sacred if it's conceived through rape?
This is probably because it relied heavily on abstinence. Teaching about safer sex practices and not making kids afraid of buying condoms would not only help reduce unwanted pregnancies, but also STD rates. Conservative states tend to have the highest STD rates.
I did not include rape in my comments because it's NOT an act of volition meaning not consensual therefore outside the "accountability and responsibility " arguments I pose
Let me be clear. rape, mother health (which is extremely , extremely a rare occurrence) BUT it is often used in late term very boxerly ahh I mean liberally. in other words they lie.
You call them unformed bodies? They are forming from conception on. A child begins growing at conception and they continue to grow until the day they die.
But how is a fetus life then? Sure the later development of a fetus is life, but is it earlier, when it has no mind? Also, there are in-between stages from sperm/egg to fetus, but I'm the "uneducated" one apparently.
If an early fetus, if an embryo, can be proven to be life, can be proven to be sentient, aside from biblical/poetic/philosophical quotes, then the pro-life movement can earn it's title's suffix.
No one is denying that human life is special. It's simply a debate of IF it is life yet. If not, then it's nothing bad at all. If so, then we need to only allow abortions under extreme conditions.
That's not evidence, thats the result of what the fetus could become. Literally, by that logic vasectomies or simply masturbation is murder. The "scientific" evidence would be to prove that throughout the first trimester the thing has become a person, has become sentient. Virtually all pro-lifers agree that the 2nd and 3rd trimester is life, but before that its just a cluster of matter and cells building what in time could become life. Hence the simile of "abort", which is cancel, not erase.
sadie0087777: women cut themselves too; should we supply them with razors or at some point take the razor away? I'll not have the proverbial coathanger foisted on me for what women choose to do. Except, that by this statement you're conceding that women are behaving compulsively by seeking abortion. That being the case, let's work to prevent abortion by addressing the pressures on women with unplanned pregnancies. Then again, if women are making a choice, they can choose not to.
hopefre...let me get this straight. U support pro-life because u believe in the value of life. Yet you told me to die.....just because I dont agree with ur beliefs...same type of people who KILL abortion doctors..what kind of person are u? lol anybody see the irony...
Is the only thing the pro-life movement can do is claim their opponents are murderers? Where is the evidence aside from "gut feelings" or whatever you pastor/preacher/pope told you?
Look, no one is promoting the killing of babies. The assertion simply is that it is not a baby, not a person yet. Not sentient. So instead of the whole "Oh those liberals" bullshit, why not actually use evidence to support your argument?
MachShot - My evidence, if you care to think about it - Other than time and physical changes (which continue until the day you die), what is the difference in a child between conception and actual birth?
is there no logic with liberals any more? What she just said was a full blown fallacy. Any one who equates this argument for abortion doesnt have a leg to stand on. I doubt the MSM will cover this.
here is my question...if you are against abortion, do you pro-lifers want to take care of the child? Adopt the kids, then. Otherwise, you are just speaking from ur ass.
You know what will happen if those babies arent aborted----orphanage? Im not saying thats worse but if you value life so much, what about improving the value of an unwanted child... Thanks draken..People assume if im for it, its because i had one.. Im just being realistic... lol
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teton99 10 months ago
BABS my german shepherd puppy has more intellect ,thank GOD I moved from Calf. good bye you bankrupt idiot
DORSEY12100 11 months ago
@DORSEY12100 Calf. is glad you moved. dont come back.
mrumsower 8 months ago
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NOT TO WORRY,me and 40 thousand a year leave ,but wow it was once a beautiful place ,now it's just plastic and make believe ,and you can't take my memory away no matter how hard you try
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Senator Boxer is one of my favorite senators.
cannedkitty 1 year ago
Regarldess of your views on Abortion, ABORTION isnt not VIAGRA
ocanator 1 year ago
@ocanator
Good thing she's not comparing abortion and viagra, then. She's comparing a legal medical procedure with another, legal, medical procedure.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
stop comparing abortion to men using viagara.
mykole84 1 year ago
@mykole84
See below. This is ridiculous.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu. i think u misunderstood me. im totally against abortion. using using viagara is the same as a women using something to up her libido. it aint the same as abortion. as a married man the law says im not the father until the birth of the baby. that is oppressive and gives me no right to protect the life of my child. i understand ur prochoice but u r acting like its not anti-male which it is. if both parents had a say i could understand a little more although im still against it.
mykole84 1 year ago
@mykole84
No, I think you misunderstood the whole point of the vid. She is comparing one kind of health care with another. That's it, that's all. If men had a choice in a woman's pregnancy decisions, that would be anti-woman. Punishing her for the way her body functions. A woman has the same right to determine WHO uses her body and when and how it is used, even when another's life is involved, via ongoing, informed and explicit consent, JUST like everyone else.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu. what do u propose? b/c right now the laws are hilgly anti-male. u r right a women does have the right to who uses her body and that is real contraception. dont have sex with people u dont want to get pregnant by. once pregnant, u just cant murder the baby, its wrong. i mean why doesnt the man prevent his kids from dying. why isnt there a law that says if the mom's wants to have an abortion instead of abotion let the father have custody if he wants it. that way she wont raise it.
mykole84 1 year ago
@mykole84 A woman also has the same financial and parental rights that a man has once there is an extant child. Financial/parental rights should NEVer be conflated with the right to bodily autonomy, for obvious reasons.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu. that aint true a woman can give the baby up for adoption and not be financially responsible for it at all. if the father takes up the baby, she is not held responsible for it. show me one mother arrested for child support or the mothers being held as deadbeat moms. show me how the laws are the same. show why only a woman should decide if a baby is born. why do u and others feel the father/husband has no right to decide the life of his unborn child.
mykole84 1 year ago
a man's reproductive healthcare doesnt involve harboring a living human.. ya dumb biatch.. of course the more i watch boxer the more i wish her mother had an abortion.. maybe shes on to something.
Matt0the0dude 1 year ago
@Matt0the0dude LOL!!
bunbun5877 1 year ago
Men deserve the equal legal right to protect their children from abortion.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
I think that a person should not be forced to have an abortion. If she does not want an abortion then she should not have one.. I am republican and this is what we want the law to say. I think that Obama care is forcing abortins onto the men of the USA.
vanwahlgren 1 year ago
How is getting a hard on, and an abortion the same ballpark?
One creates life, the other......... Sucks???
Why shouldn't she have the right to kill your children??
blupheonix44 1 year ago
@blupheonix44
Umm, gee, it's pretty simple. Medical treatment compared to medical treatment. Women are NOT incubators, btw. So sorry to disappoint.
Uh, because they are NOT infringing on her rights? SO obvious.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
WTF is she going off about?? I can't even follow?
blupheonix44 1 year ago
abortion is fantastic
pro404 1 year ago
Btw, David Park, you already HAVE public insurance. Medicaid, all of it is public insurance. These just have astronomical overheads. Why do you think eliminating overheads will increase costs rather than lower them? Did you fail math? I guess so...?
Also, 18,000 people dying a year. Compare that to Canada, where I live, and the FACT that my dad would have DIED with American coverage, and I will NEVER choose to live in the States. No WONder, after all....
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
There have been a lot of insane moral equivalency arguments coming out of Washington in the past year, but this one is the most unbelievable. What a disgrace. This should be the end of her careerbut unfortunately, thats not the world we live in and she won't be run out of town.
People vote for jackasses like this. It's not just that her comparison is horrifying, it's that she is so stupid as to think she is making a cogent point.
snuhtoyou 2 years ago
Sorry, but her comparison is cogent. It's horrifying that you can't see that. Your sticking your nose into a woman's uterus w/o sticking your nose into a man's private parts. That you think a woman's body can be controlled but not a man's? That is ALL she is discussing. And it's OBvious unless you're REAAALLLLY stupid.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu That is not what the argument is about, no matter how many times you and others try to spin it. The argument is about whether what is in the woman's uterus is a live human being. The fact that you don't have the courage to face that as the fundamental question is pathetic. To compare a man's ability to get an erection to an abortion is about as disgusting as it gets. And you defend that as cogent. Get help.
snuhtoyou 1 year ago
@snuhtoyou
Actually, it is not. IF that were the case you would give organ recipients the SAME right to live that you would grant fetuses. You don't. So, it is NOT about whether one is a live human being, not EVEN for PLers. SO sorry.
You really need to get help, if you think hypocrisy is cogent. Thanks.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu I can't even understand what you are trying to say...maybe you were wasted when you wrote it. What do organ recipients have to do with anything? And since when do I not think that they, as living humans, have less of a right to live? Do you even know what cogent means? I don't think you do!
Try again, junior.
snuhtoyou 1 year ago
@fuuinekusu The law prohibits people from doing many things with their bodies. Shooting up heroin is one and prostitution is another. Men and women can be jailed for doing these things. Yet they are victimless crimes and there is always at least one victim in abortion.
bunbun5877 1 year ago
@bunbun5877
Possession, not ingestion, is the crime. There is no victim in abortion. Unless you are going to say that a rapist is the victim of the crime of rape. Since the rapist and the fetus both use a person's body against their will, a right NO one (else) has, not even to save their life. The woman is the victim of an unwanted pregnancy. Either she is denied the same rights as everyone else or the same sexual freedoms, merely because of her biology.
fuuinekusu 1 year ago
Hey Boxer! KISS MY ASS!!!
Halftrac 2 years ago
NEWS FLASH:
Abortion is NOT reproductive health care. Production has already occurred when an abortion is performed. Hence the term "terminating a pregnancy".
It is a medical procedure that destroys an unborn child. Call it a zygote. a fetus or what ever you like. Abortion terminates a growing life.
You are using Viagra as a comparison to abortion? Not only are you "out there", but you a fundamentally and intellectually challenged by your progressive ideals!
Thanks Babs for your concern!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago 2
A zygote should be considered a life in the same way that a twins should be considered the same person.
A vasectomy should be equal to abortion, because really anti-freedom of choice people are "attempting to protect" the POTENTIAL for a baby not a baby. And thereby knowingly restricting sperm should also be considered murder, because it's the elimination of the potential.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
@coolthomas2011
Hmmmm.
I see your posture here:
If you cannot dazzle them with your brilliance then baffle them with your B.S.
You make no sense at all! You are slow. Have you always been this way, or is this something new?
Step away from the crack pipe!
For the record, I am Pro-Choice but Anti-Abortion! There are other choices!
Get it? Got it? Doubt it!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago
@coolthomas2011 If every human that you see on earth was once a zygote, the laws of logic tell you that is not potential life, but the beginning of life. Potential entails the probability of life, it is not probable if it already exists. You cannot abort something that is not there. This is ridiculous
bunbun5877 1 year ago
shooterca51: I agree with what you're saying.
DalisYT 2 years ago
Gotta go eat, I'll be back about 7:30
hopeurfree 2 years ago
shooterca51: my opinion is that her decision should be an informed one. Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being and is also a traumatic experience performed at the site of the initial trauma of the rape. Are people who take abortion for granted in that situation sensitive to that?
My friend's girlfriend was raped by her stepfather when she was 15. She wouldn't entertain the idea of abortion despite major harassment from the hospital, social workers and her school. How wrong is that?
DalisYT 2 years ago
I responded to your natural gas question.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
GREAT DAY! Everyday is good.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
I agree with shooter.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Ah, you read my profile. No, I didn't know her. She was in prison before I came and is still in prison now that I've come home and looks to be for a long time. The murder happened about 200 meters from my apartment but a year earlier. I used to drink at the bar that was owned by Patrick Lumumba who was wrongfully accused and exonerated.
DalisYT 2 years ago
What is your opinion of the murder?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
hopeurfree: I believe in Occam's Razor, that is, I think that the simplest explanation is likeliest the correct one. If the evidence points to a break-in, why assume it was staged? I think the prosecution's case is weak. I think the forensic evidence was viewed with prejudice to fit a salacious story of sexualized violence, but the only DNA at the scene was that of the drug dealer, Rudy Guede. Amanda Knox smoked some pot and acted flaky and changed her story, but that doesn't prove murder.
DalisYT 2 years ago
shooterca51: if you read my previous comments, you'll see that I am not trying to "force" anyone to do anything. I simply want our culture and the consciences of individuals to value life. When and where that happens, abortion clinics close for simple lack of demand. Do keep in mind that a culture that values human life also values women and girls and does not tolerate rape and incest. Close to where I live, however, abortion clinic staff are not reporting their clients' rapes to authorities.
DalisYT 2 years ago
shooterca51: Do you have an example? First of all, the range and incidence of medical conditions which would arguably necessitate an obstetric or therapeutic abortion are quite rare - nowhere near the 1% (100,000+ annually) figure currently performed in the U.S. for that reason. This is what gynecologists tell me, and they should know. All effort must be made to safeguard mother AND child. Sometimes, to treat a condition in the mother, fetal death is unavoidable but ought to be regrettable.
DalisYT 2 years ago
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danny19691969 2 years ago
Just saw the latest gallup poll on abortion. 49% are pro-life, 44% are pro-choice. Who exactly are the 44% pro-choice people. how could someone be so heartless to kill an unborn child. We saw it with slavery and that took way to long to stop and now its taking to long to stop abortions. We need to stop this cruelty to human-rights now!
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danny19691969 2 years ago
What a pathetic, evil old hag. I hope that one day her brain gets injected with saline to show us how humane the procedure is.
1776iscoming 2 years ago
Well I hope one day your brain is injected with saline to show the world what you wished upon a fellow citizen.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Barbara Boxer is nothing more than one more Democrat thief with their hands in the taxpayers pocket. Using other peoples money to fund the takeover of America.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
I didn't say that no "liberal" states have high STD rates. I just said that conservative ones tend to have high rates.
When was I guessing a first time to be accused of guessing a second time?
You have yet to offer any intelligible claims to the discourse. Please refrain from making unsubstantiated claims.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Have you guys regressed this far, to be yakking about STD rates?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
STD rates and abortion's could both be lowered if we didn't try to demonize condoms and other forms of birth control and taught responsible sex practices rather than abstinence only.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Cool - I don't know where I've seen either demonized. STD rates and abortions will never be lowered until free love ideology (Socialist/Democrat) is reversed. The idea that you can have sex without consequences is laughable. If you are gonna' screw around, you stand a pretty good chance of getting infected. Moral to this story is to raise your personal standards.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Ok so demonize was probably the wrong choice in words. For instance, I live in Indiana, and state funding is primarily restricted to abstinence only sex eduction. It's not demonizing it, it's more so stigmatizing it. Another that is not as frequently discussed, outside of the gay community, is getting tested regularly.
Also where does Socialist/Democrat relate to free love?
The funny thing is though that I'm a democratic socialist.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
You didn't even live through the 60's, so you would not know what I mean. Sorry about the analogy as to when the free love movement happened. that is when sexual diseases became rampant.
If a person is so stupid as to not know how to use a condom or birth control, they probably ought to be fixed (just kidding). To spend large sums of money on teaching sex education is a waste of money.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Spending money to teach prevention is much cheaper than spending money to explain treatment.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Ideology..... You are so far to the left, you ideas are like retreads, looks good on the outside but crap on the inside. That ideology went out with the sixties.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Because conservative ideas have gotten up so far in this country...
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Immediately after conception, your entire makeup is decided. What you will look like, the color of your hair, eyes, whether you will be short, tall, skinny, everything about you is decided at that point. The only difference between a fertilized egg and an old man is time and physical changes. You age from fertilization till the day you die.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Hey you pro-lifers. Keep an eye on the "ball" about this abortion HC. Boxer is a sneaky, slimy bitch. She will try to get it slipped through in the dark of night when no ones looking or attach it to another bill going through congress. DO NOT TRUST HER OR FIENSTEIN EITHER!
sandio713 2 years ago
It is getting to the point where I don't trust ANY Democrat.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
You got that right hopeurfree. They're are definitly some eveil ppl in Washington. Scares the heck out of me! Oh yeah, I forgot to add the other sneaky, slimy bitch from CA--Pelosi. I think she's the worst out of all of them. Isn't funny how they think they're speaking for ALL women, when, in fact, most women don't even remotely think like they do?
sandio713 2 years ago
All of a sudden, it is like they all became these hateful, spiteful people bent on destroying this country, it's freedoms and the free enterprise system that built the greatest country on earth.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
It's called the "Obama syndrome". I think all our congressional members are afraid of that "Chicago politics" that Obama has going on.
sandio713 2 years ago
I went to your site and am impressed. At first I thought you were a woman b cuz of the way you feel about children and abortions, but found out you are a man, which I find even cooler. We have a lot in common. You're definitly from my generation and have the same spirit for America that I do. It's nice to talk to you.
sandio713 2 years ago
I take it you are woman, who can roar back!
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Well, my wife was adopted, her mother was 16. My two children are adopted, their mother was 17(?). Without my wife and children, my life would be drastically different. That would be sad, for I am happy.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Yeah, I know what you are saying. My daughter was 16 (still in HS) when she had her 1st baby. I must have taught her well b cuz abortion never entered her mind, although she did get peer pressure about it. It was very hard for in the beginning, but she had lots of help from the proud gran p's. Today the child is almost 12 years old and is the smartest and handsomest little man one could imagine. Looking back, I wldn't want her to change a thing. She's an RN now working with sick children.
sandio713 2 years ago
Sandio - God Bless your little girl. More babies are aborted in America in 6 months than all of the American soldiers who lost their lives in all of WWII. It takes only 2 weeks of abortions to match all of the soldiers lost in Viet Nam.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
She is a US SENATOR!!! So your comment is illogical!
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Learn the difference between conception, fetus, and zygote.
Apparently ignorance is contagious.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Someone should remove this comment, before this user is removed from YouTube for an oratory act of terrorism.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Perhaps Ms Boxer needs some Viagra for her man. Then she could get a little "something, something" and maybe she'd have a better out look. Good luck on that one, Babs! Viva Viagra!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago
If women were allowed to get free abortions. Unfortunately, they would be lining up and around buildings. Just like women who get free medical care to have babies, they take advantage of it. It's so sad, but it's so true.
sandio713 2 years ago
Babbling Babs the Bimbo from Brooklyn (she was born there; guess she moved to California so she would have a better chance of getting her leftist, socialist, liberal agenda across?) is an idiot. The good people of California deserve better than a politician who has to remind people to call her senator because she thinks she "has earned it" Californians, send her a message in 2010, that you want a public servant, not a title holder. VOTE HER LOUD & OBNOXIOUS MOUTH OUT OFF OFFICE!!!!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago
Oh Gosh, that would be a train wreck. Boobs flying everywhere.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Check each others activity now and then and we will go hunting. Bring your 12 gauge.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Where have all the leftists gone. Have we hunted them to near extinction?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
LOL. I figured it out.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Proving once again that libs are a bunch of wacko bigots... she is absolutely ridiculous.. comparing a pill to murder? "Her reproductive healthcare" you mean paying for her recklessness.. God Help us all if she is ever re-elected to a public office again
carlindelco 2 years ago
Rape is not recklessness. We should further punish a 12, 13, 14 year old girl because she was raped? What about cases where the child is directly harming the mother's health is it better to let the child grow up knowing that his or her existance is the cause of his or her mother's premature death?
PS Senator Boxer has been a Senator since 1993, your last statement seems to really not think about that.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Excuse me.. but where did you see me mention cases of rape????
For us rational people it is directly implied that rape is not an act of volition therefore negates accountability due to the fact that it is not "reckless"
Boxer is a Godless heathen who is out of touch with reality
carlindelco 2 years ago
Rape is a crime and not a natural act at all. I say the woman does whatever she wants.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
yes true... woman does whatever she wants? I don't think infanticide is a right anyone should have.
carlindelco 2 years ago
If your daughter gets raped and impregnated by that rape, you would force her to carry the child of a rapist?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
No.. see above comment..
carlindelco 2 years ago
That's really a hard question and would take a lot of soul searching. I and my daughter are very much against aborition so it's a tough decision. If I had my druthers, as much as I disagree with abortion, I wld say that a HC opt. for rape and incest victims should be afforded to them. I mean, rape and incest is hard enough for women, and having the baby around reminding them of the trauma they went through may not be a good thing either. It might take a VERY strong person to keep the baby.
sandio713 2 years ago
Sandio - I wholeheartedly agree with your position.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
As you can imagine, it wasn't easy as parents in getting the news that your teen is pregnant. But the worse thing a parent can do is turn their backs and leave the teen to make such a heart-wrenching decisions on their own. Many parents get angry and turn their backs; consequently, leaving a scared teen to make the decision on thier own. It goes without saying what most teens would choose. Parents need to get over the "perfect world" idea and support their teens in good times and bad.
sandio713 2 years ago
The potential for life exists in sperm. So masturbation should be though of reckless negligence? (This is why the Catholics frown upon it)
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Cool - School didn't take too well with you, did it.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
I don't understand the basis for this claim?
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Cool - If what you are saying is true, then you commit a crime everyday, don't you.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
I'm not saying that any of it is a crime, with the exception of rape.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Is your hand a partner in crime?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
LOL there is NO dispute that a biological is considered life. A microbed is "life" the question we adults are dealing with is "human life" You as a human being began once the sperm entered the egg. We are always in stages development. (ie infant, toddler, pre-adolescent, adult, senior citizen and finally cadaver) Don't let geography and subject science determine what constitutes "human" or else they can do that with you at ANY time
God Bless
carlindelco 2 years ago
coolthomas2011: a healthy male can produce millions of spermatazoa that will have a life cycle of a few days; this has an evolutionary purpose for the survival of the species.
The Catholic Church frowns on masturbation because lust is a deadly sin, and masturbation teaches you that your body is just for getting off and to treat your relationships with other human beings casually. Eg. pornography exploits women and often accompanies masturbation, but the wanker doesn't care.
DalisYT 2 years ago
hopeurfree: the conditions of conception (ie. rape) don't change the humanity of the child. In fact, apart from resemblance and 23 chromosomes, nothing of the rapist's character will be passed on to the child because he or she is innocent. The children of rape value their own lives, and we should too. I also think it would be needlessly cruel to criminalize abortion in case of rape, but I also recognize that an abortion is a second trauma and one that kills the child who's committed no crime.
DalisYT 2 years ago
Being a rapist could be genetic. If you would force a woman to have a child based on rape or incest, it would be sick in my opinion.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
hopeurfree: Do you have any proof that the urge to rape is genetic? bc we have people today who were the products of rape, and I don't think that they rape with any greater incidence than the larger population. Rather, I think the rape dynamic comes from child abuse, which means it can be prevented. Aborting the product of rape is execution for a crime they've not committed.
DalisYT 2 years ago
If you propose forcing rape victims to bare and raise a child, then I wonder about you.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
hopeurfree: forcing no. encouraging yes.
DalisYT 2 years ago
Execution of what though? It isn't what anyone could objectively consider human.
Abortion ends the life of a fertilized egg, or a partially developed baby which is not only devoid of a brain, but cannot survive on its own either.
You could just as easily say removing a benign tumor is executing life for a crime it didn't commit. Its not hurting you, it needs you to live, it just grows and exists as a brainless mass.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: you seem woefully ignorant of prenatal development (eg. "devoid of a brain"). The embryo is only a "fertilized egg" for a few days. By the time a woman discovers she is pregnant and might consider a surgical abortion, the ever growing embryo has its own heartbeat. This is detectable by ultrasound from the sixth gestational week. That's autonomic brain function doing that, not the mother's. If you wish to remain obstinately ignorant of human embryology, you quickly discredit yourself.
DalisYT 2 years ago
You got me, Since a brain that is developed enough to beat a heart must be human right? and therefor we should give it more rights than the mother it requires to live.
I hope you weren't also implying that by possessing the ability to beat a heart somehow makes it independent from the mother.
But of course, i'm ignorant, because when looking at a pool of soup I see a pool of soup whereas you see so much more than is actually there.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: no more rights than the mother but equal rights, meaning the right to life, which is not being denied the mother (except in rare medical cases) but is specifically taken from the child. Yes, the child is dependent on the mother to live, but so are her borne children. So are all of us on each other in society. God forbid a child live.
What am I imagining here, Ragnheidr? I honestly don't think you can definitively prove that the embryo/fetus isn't human, but knock yourself out trying.
DalisYT 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: we can argue about the humanity of prenatal life till the cows come home. My question to you is, where is your empathy for the life that is being taken? We can argue about the legality of abortion as well (I am pro-life but a proponent of the "safe, legal and rare" position), but my deeper question is, if you support abortion as a choice for a woman with an unintended pregnancy, why are you determined to minimize what abortion actually is? Does that tell you something?
DalisYT 2 years ago
The mother and baby are one. Since it is a part of her body, and she will create it, the baby's life is not it's own and it is solely her choice to allow it to develop into a child or not. So by giving it rights, you are abdicating the rights of a mother around her own body.
Minimize abortion from what exactly? As it stands, abortion can halt the development of a baby before it has a chance to be self-aware, emotional, human. This is a blessing, what nature intended but couldn't provide.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
So. Self awareness & emotional is what makes you human? As long as a child is in the womb, the mother should have complete control over the child. Are you saying a child must be born to have rights?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Selfawareness and emotion are a couple of things that make up humanity, I believe they suffice for a youtube post
My point was mainly that some of what causes people to see more than what's there is a beating heart, growing fingernails, a tiny shape that resembles a baby.
You can be looking at a corpse and think it's a friend, but with the brain dead the human you knew is gone.
The mother and the baby are one and the same, she holds the rights and responsibility of her body and baby until birth.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
At the point of conception, your entire self is present. You begin the aging process at conception. The only difference between a fertilized egg and a aged person is time and the changes are only physical. What you are meant to appear as is set at conception.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
"The mother and the baby are one and the same, she holds the rights and responsibility of her body and baby until birth."
Ragnheidr: The fact that you are referring to "mother and baby" as separate entities means even you know your own statement is false. The child's body is distinct from the mother's from conception. Heck, they even have different blood types. The blood never mixes, but nutrients are exchanged across the umbilical cord. I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to HER own body.
DalisYT 2 years ago
My fingernails, my eyes, I own them, giving them a name doesn't make them separate from myself.
I hold that the baby is a part of the mother until they separate, just as a cell divides, where there was one, now there are two. A cell will go through changes to prepare for separation, but it is still one cell.
When thinking about abortion I am reminded about cases involving parasitic twins, these partially developed babies are part of the sibling and also fall under their authority.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
At the minute of conception, the whole plan for a human is set. The only thing that it needs is time and nourishment. To consider the unborn nothing more than property of the mother to do with as she pleases is barbaric.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: when cells reproduce by splitting, this is asexual reproduction, so what you describe is entirely inaccurate when compared to actual human biology. As you may know, human beings reproduce sexually, which means when the sperm penetrates the egg, their membranes break down to produce a new organism, which - this is important - is neither the father nor the mother, but is contained within the mother. The water inside a glass is not itself glass even though both are clear. Understand?
DalisYT 2 years ago
@Ragnheidr
You are so full of shit! Sorry, had to say it. You make to sense at all. You are so out there and apparently are lovin' it. Get a life (oh, you have one- your Momma chose life!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago
It is not wrong to remove a parasitic twin, it is at that point just growing (sustaining its existence) and if it is harmful to the dominant twin then often removed.
I do accept that abortion kills a human, but calling a partially developed baby human, with all the associations people bring with humanity is disingenuous.
Ragnheidr 2 years ago
Get real. tell me what the difference other than time between an embryo and a child in the womb at, say 7 months?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: Your fingernails, eyes, etc. are not your mother's property. Your children's parts are not yours. That new human being also has bodily integrity, which means it is a separate and complete organism from conception and distinct from the mother. To say he/she isn't human because it's not fully developed is to call a four-year-old less human than an adult. Here we are again on the slippery slope of dehumanization. Question: do you think our human rights are inherent or assigned?
DalisYT 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: your analogy of the "parasitic" twin is inaccurate. Conjoined twins are two individuals, not one. Neither one is the mother. The "parasitic" twin is a miscarriage which is deprived of nutrients in utero by the dominant twin. The prenatal child, on the other hand, is not technically attached to the mother (no, really), shares no organs, is not the mother's twin, and is not, by definition, "parasitic". The mother's body is designed to accommodate pregnancy; the child is not "harmful".
DalisYT 2 years ago
@DalisYT not to mention the mans genetic material which is a part of him is also in the fetus, so should we make it legal for a man to baseball bat pregnant women because its his body to.
DemonosZXZ 1 year ago
@DemonosZXZ Do I really have to answer that!?
DalisYT 1 year ago
@Ragnheidr
You are disingenuous and eat up with dumb, too!
disingenuous- artful (not straightforward or candid; giving a false appearance of frankness),
You like so many on this page think you know but you know not!
LIBERTYTREE60 2 years ago
"Selfawareness and emotion are a couple of things that make up humanity".
Ragnheidr: If you attempt to boil down humanity to certain criteria, you will always run up against too many exceptions in the borne human population which will lend to a slippery slope of dehumanization. In this quote, for example, you have just said that people who suffer from lobotomies are no longer human since they can't experience emotion. Additionally, self-awareness happens well after birth. See the problem?
DalisYT 2 years ago
Ragnheidr: What I mean by "minimize" is that you aren't willing to accept that abortion kills a human being. I can understand why; killing a human being is awful and nothing you'd want to support. And if you have to accept that, it calls into question your world view and maybe the beliefs or actions of people you're close to. That's scary. I think you've decided that abortion is a social or a personal "blessing" and you're fudging the science to justify the ends. If I'm wrong, tell me how.
DalisYT 2 years ago
Looking at this legally, where do you not see exception made for rape or direct, severe harm to the mother?
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Rape and the mothers health do matter. Rape is a crime, forced upon the woman. My opinion is that the mother could end the pregnancy.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
But then you are contradicting your opinion about every life should be given a chance. I agree with you that abortion should not be used as birth control, however, but making making it illegal would cause women to seek more dangerous method, especially should the child survive and sometimes they do! I I think that abstinence only sex ed has done nothing for students, and bettering sex ed can dramatically decrease the need for abortion.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
I don't put much faith in sex ed. I was young once.
No contradictions. Incest and rape are crimes, forced upon the woman.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
There is a contradiction. You claim life is sacred, but then you say that it's okay in cases of rape. So a fetus's life is not sacred if it's conceived through rape?
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
This is probably because it relied heavily on abstinence. Teaching about safer sex practices and not making kids afraid of buying condoms would not only help reduce unwanted pregnancies, but also STD rates. Conservative states tend to have the highest STD rates.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
I did not include rape in my comments because it's NOT an act of volition meaning not consensual therefore outside the "accountability and responsibility " arguments I pose
Let me be clear. rape, mother health (which is extremely , extremely a rare occurrence) BUT it is often used in late term very boxerly ahh I mean liberally. in other words they lie.
carlindelco 2 years ago
Ever notice liberals rarely leave tracks. Recent Activity posting is rare among the species.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Oh well.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
That was well written shooter.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Thankfully I have science on my side.
You have a book written almost 2000 years ago.
rdrakken 2 years ago
rdrakken, what is your problem with allowing a little one to have a life. Abortion is so often for the sake of convenience.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
2 compare a thing with no brain or organs to a human is to cheapen human life.
You may be ready to compare a cancer cell to a human, but I am not.
To me there is something special about human life. its more important than unformed bodies and cancer.
weak...they always produce weak arguments...
rdrakken 2 years ago
You call them unformed bodies? They are forming from conception on. A child begins growing at conception and they continue to grow until the day they die.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
It seems like this country cares more about saving polar bears than a viable human being. What the hell are ppl thinking about? This is just crazy!
sandio713 2 years ago
But how is a fetus life then? Sure the later development of a fetus is life, but is it earlier, when it has no mind? Also, there are in-between stages from sperm/egg to fetus, but I'm the "uneducated" one apparently.
If an early fetus, if an embryo, can be proven to be life, can be proven to be sentient, aside from biblical/poetic/philosophical quotes, then the pro-life movement can earn it's title's suffix.
MachShot1337 2 years ago
No one is denying that human life is special. It's simply a debate of IF it is life yet. If not, then it's nothing bad at all. If so, then we need to only allow abortions under extreme conditions.
MachShot1337 2 years ago
That's not evidence, thats the result of what the fetus could become. Literally, by that logic vasectomies or simply masturbation is murder. The "scientific" evidence would be to prove that throughout the first trimester the thing has become a person, has become sentient. Virtually all pro-lifers agree that the 2nd and 3rd trimester is life, but before that its just a cluster of matter and cells building what in time could become life. Hence the simile of "abort", which is cancel, not erase.
MachShot1337 2 years ago
all i can say is that the coat hanger will come back..People find a way.
sadie0087777 2 years ago
sadie0087777: women cut themselves too; should we supply them with razors or at some point take the razor away? I'll not have the proverbial coathanger foisted on me for what women choose to do. Except, that by this statement you're conceding that women are behaving compulsively by seeking abortion. That being the case, let's work to prevent abortion by addressing the pressures on women with unplanned pregnancies. Then again, if women are making a choice, they can choose not to.
DalisYT 2 years ago
hopefre...let me get this straight. U support pro-life because u believe in the value of life. Yet you told me to die.....just because I dont agree with ur beliefs...same type of people who KILL abortion doctors..what kind of person are u? lol anybody see the irony...
sadie0087777 2 years ago
Yeah, you left just before it go interesting. gotta' go to work. I'll answer the nut jobs when II get there!
hopeurfree 2 years ago
With Napolitano, you might think it was heterosexual until you saw a certain ugly sight.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Uhg. This argument is bi-partisan hell.
Is the only thing the pro-life movement can do is claim their opponents are murderers? Where is the evidence aside from "gut feelings" or whatever you pastor/preacher/pope told you?
Look, no one is promoting the killing of babies. The assertion simply is that it is not a baby, not a person yet. Not sentient. So instead of the whole "Oh those liberals" bullshit, why not actually use evidence to support your argument?
MachShot1337 2 years ago
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hopeurfree 2 years ago
MachShot - My evidence, if you care to think about it - Other than time and physical changes (which continue until the day you die), what is the difference in a child between conception and actual birth?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
thats your problem hopeurfre is that your "evidence" is lacking in "intelligence".
Your evidence calls a seed a flower because it MAY become one.
and the difference between an undeveloped fetus and an 80 year old man is a BRAIN and internal organs.
Your argument is as weak as your mind.
rdrakken 2 years ago
same people who would think a dough is a cake or a cookie...
sadie0087777 2 years ago
Well what's the difference between one child and twins, triplet, or octuplets between the time of conception and birth?
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
is there no logic with liberals any more? What she just said was a full blown fallacy. Any one who equates this argument for abortion doesnt have a leg to stand on. I doubt the MSM will cover this.
jjhays36 2 years ago
Good night!
hopeurfree 2 years ago
You are lucky that your parents didn't feel like you do, or you may have been incinerated or just thrown in the trash.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Tell me Dr. rdrakken, what do you do with the dead children? throw them in the trash or in the incinerator?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Just what do they do with dead children?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Sorry doctor, they put the dead children in a paper towel. Still playing doctor?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Kinda' sad to see so many humans willing to kill little humans for the sake of convenience.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Oh lefties, you'd rather kill a child than have it suffer through an adoption.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
You mean that same adoptions that are mostly barred from gays because they make awful parents?
You are much more likely going to find a anti-freedom of choice person against gay adoption, than someone who is pro-choice.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
California bankrupted itself no matter who is elected, douche.. They have so many infrastructure issues
sadie0087777 2 years ago
here is my question...if you are against abortion, do you pro-lifers want to take care of the child? Adopt the kids, then. Otherwise, you are just speaking from ur ass.
sadie0087777 2 years ago
actually that isnt the only reason they are speaking from their asses...
Their arguments and talking points have no basis in fact. its all based on dogma.
rdrakken 2 years ago
You know what will happen if those babies arent aborted----orphanage? Im not saying thats worse but if you value life so much, what about improving the value of an unwanted child... Thanks draken..People assume if im for it, its because i had one.. Im just being realistic... lol
sadie0087777 2 years ago
See ya.
hopeurfree 2 years ago
Do you perform abortions rdrakken?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
It seems easy for you to want to end a life, do you perform abortions?
hopeurfree 2 years ago
yawn
can you try a new argument based on dogma please.
rdrakken 2 years ago
go to bed rdrakken, maybe you need to get ready to kill children at the office.
hopeurfree 2 years ago