Dennis Venema - Human Genomics: Vestiges of Eden or Skeletons in the Closet? - Part 1

[dltanner99]

Alternative view of evolution see video book trailer

[kennydinoboy]

Fascinating!

[kpjimjim]

You, and the people in this video, seem to be confused:

Genomics is the study scientific study of genomes. It has nothing to do with pigeon-holing yourself into supernatural superstitions -- Christianity -- and then trying to make sense out of what is left.

What was the point of you posting these videos?

[GoodScienceForYou]

The most obvious reason for human/chimp having extremely similar genetics is interbreeding, not common ancestor.

The chimp has not been on this planet that long.

There are no signs of chimps prior to 4000 years ago by artifacts.

The radiometric dating is based on assumptions and guessing but works when you have a decent reference and not beyond 50,000 years with any accuracy.

Humans are the "common ancestor" to chimps and this is as obvious as the nose on your face.

[GoodScienceForYou]

evolutionfourm(dot)info

[Seekmosttoprophesy]

LOL! There is no evidence of evolution.

We need to understand that there has to be a lot of common function between human and apes because we are both biological life forms but not nearly as much common design. It has nothing to do with the amount of DNA. It has to do with the design that makes us different and so much more intelligent than all other life forms. We have a fraction of the DNA found in other life forms so higher life forms do NOT necessarily have more information.

[AA32m7io1]

@JT898

What are your thoughts about the recent article, "Y Chromosome Evolving Rapidly" (ScienceNOW, Jan 13, 2010) which says there is a 30% difference in human and chimp DNA?

It also says, "When the team members compared the MSY sequences, they got a surprise. They found that the chimpanzee Y chromosome has lost lots of genes that are present in humans..."

So how did humans gain lots of new genes?

[JT898]

@AA32m7io1

My thoughts are exactly what the article says; the Y chromosome in us and chimps has changed quite a lot since we diverged. This in no way alters the information presented in this video or the conclusions drawn.

Todd Wood, the creation biologist whose work is often referred to in these discussions wrote an article at the time make essentially the same point.

[AA32m7io1]

@JT898 2 of 2

Also see John Hawks' weblog: "Unbelievable Y chromosome differences between humans and chimpanzees" in which he says,

"I can't believe how sedated the reaction to this paper has been so far. The outcome of the sequencing is really, really weird. More than thirty percent of the chimpanzee Y chromosome has no homolog in humans, and likewise for the human Y in chimpanzees... Just glancing at the ideograms, they don't even look like homologous chromosomes!"

[JT898]

@AA32m7io1

It was a "curve ball" as it was a new and interesting discovery. What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

[JT898]

The very next line after "Just glancing at the ideograms, they don't even look like homologous chromosomes!" is "Obviously they are; there's a whole lot of homologous sequence in there including functional genes. But the structure of both human and chimpanzee Y chromosomes has evolved incredibly fast compared to the rest of the genome."

[ArthurBiele]

In short, The Theory of evolution by chance and physics alone is in violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The 2nd Law requires molecules to flow from less probable states to states of ever increasing probability.

[JT898]

@ArthurBiele

You have not explained how evolution contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics. What calculations have you performed? Which integrals have you evaluated? I can point you to papers where people have done the calculations that show you are wrong.

[GallusSapien]

Hi, I would like you to do something if you would. Go to any science source or mainstream encyclopedia (such as wikipedia) and read what the 2nd law is. Then figure out why, for yourself, your comment is inaccurate.

[mafarmerga]

"How can there still be chimps if we descended from chimps?"

I got asked this today. My answer? My second cousin and I are both descended from a common ancestor (great grandparents) but she is not turning into me and I am not turning into her. we each live our independent lives in different places.

Same with chimps and humans.

[catarrhinegabriel]

or, if (many) Americans descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?

[TheStraightFacts]

The question is so bewilderingly inane. It would be just as valid for a chimp, after having had evolution explained to him, to point to a human and say "but if I evolved from apes, why are there still apes?"

How about "if we evolved from mammals, why are there still mammals?"

We evolved from eukaryotes, animals, vertebrates, mammals, primates, monkeys, and apes, and we still are all of those things.

[Balabaw2]

You know, Kanbei85 really doesn't address any of the points in his video response.