Ghost Hunters - Ghost Detecting Devices (Debunked)

[XpeditionApparition]

Your argument towards this is completely invalid. What is your point of view on EVPS? Our group has caught very distinct voices and I'm curious to hear your response

[Tapps47]

@XpeditionApparition I guess you didn't get it. I can answer your question with a question: What proof do you have that would be fact that a recording device used to capture a "EVP" is valid in capturing said EVP/Proof?

[TheBelegur]

As a nuclear engineer I must say Nikola Tesla was a genius, and a giant in both the fields of mechanical engineering, and electrical engineering. I don't know what people thought of him at the time of his death. But, today is recognized as a primary contributor to commercial electric power, and revolutionary in the field on electromagnetism.His engineering and scientific accomplishments are indisputable and too numerous to be listed here. It pains me to hear someone call him a "Mad scientist"

[Tapps47]

@TheBelegur we are not and agree with you.

[TheBelegur]

@Tapps47 Thank God for a bit of sanity on U Tube. I appreciate your saying this because I would hate to have anyone besmirch the reputation of such a great man. He was broke because he put every nickle he could get his hands on to further the science he is remembered for his revolutionary contributions in electromagnetism. Again thank you for clearing this up. :)

[Tapps47]

@TheBelegur We are disgusted that the paranormal types use his name to say he engineered the Science behind their "ghost detectors". And get this Tesla was the one who gave Schumann the idea for the resonance theory which Schumann proved and is accredited for. What the paranormal's call "the heartbeat of the earth" (global ion discharges). AKA lightning discharges. Tesla was ahead of his time.

[jonwcarter13]

I am not plugging the MEL at all. I know that EMF is the residual electric and magnetic (two parts of the electromagnetic property)properties given off by electrically charged objects. I also follow Quantum Theory which states that all things are energy. When the matter which contains that energy decays, the energy is dispersed and absorbed elsewhere. The fact that the MEL is not affected by RF means that it is more likely to give an accurate reading of true EMF rather than a false one

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 but only if you follow Quantum theory, which can't be tested within a controlled environment. and thus is not considered science as such. I can't for certain say that the MEL isn't affected by RF or not. "WE" have not tested it. Have you?

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 Weather you promote them or not, How can you say that the "MEL" isn't picking up other sources of EMF? do you even know what EMF is. RF is another factor all together. EMF is created by electrical fields, that also includes Ion discharge (static electricity). You can't say that these are for better testing than even our Brick. so if the meter is sensitive like the PK is, it would also be able to pick up most EMF. that doesn't mean that they are ghosts. All these devices are BS.

[jonwcarter13]

I am not familiar with these specific devices, I am open minded to these type of devices. We have to remember that right now we are working off of Paranormal Theory. Some of these tools types are trying to test that theory. As for the money, I agree that the prices are steep, but do these inventors have other funding? I'm sure Apple sells iPhones for more than they are worth to compensate development time, to pay workers, fund advancements, and live the American dream by making money...

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 If you watched the video, then you know where they got such terms as "Vortex Technology". Paranormal THEORY is based on the BELIEF that ghosts are some kind of Electrical ENERGY. which means that the law of conservation comes in to play. "You can not increase the amount of energy you start with. You can only change its form, the amount remains the same." the human body alive produces around 90 micro-amperes of current (from doctors we talked to). so at death, you have.....90MA.

[jonwcarter13]

@Tapps47 Obviously the Vortex is a load of crap because the smallest known functioning Tesla coil is still about the size of a Pringles can. Can you argue, however, with the Mel-8704 EMF detector which is not affected by RF the way the K-II and other EMF meters are. So how do we explain sudden EMF spikes and temperature decreases coinciding at the same time? While that doesn't point to paranormal activity... it is an instrument that creates a better control in order to test the theory.

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 to me it seems you are plugging the "mel" a bit much. EMF is Electro Magnetic Flux. caused by electricity or static discharge. EMF meters like the PK types are sensitive to DEADLY EMF so they are sensitive. RF means little other than it is a factor. Your telling us its suitable for a purpose based on paranormal theory which is pseudo science. That would make the device also pseudo Theory and technology.

[jonwcarter13]

@Tapps47 Furthermore, Radio Frequency Interference is becoming more of an issue with EMF because of the increase in cell phone towers and mobile communications devices. You can not tell me that this increase of RF devices it is not important to get an accurate reading without the interference from RF. If the Paranormal Theory of Electromagnetic Displacement coincides with Quantum Theory (which has been around since the 1920's) then a device to accurately test that theory would be necessary.

[jonwcarter13]

@Tapps47 I understand that the Paranormal and Quantum theories are classified as Pseudo Science, but that covers both theories as a whole. I argue that just because theories are classified as Pseudo, does not mean that people don't treat them with a "Fringe" or "Proto" science standpoint. There are always exceptions to the classifications. While both theories are not concrete like geology or anthropology, I think that there are a handful of people trying to go about it the right way about it.

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 only those that are trying to scam people treat things as "fringe or proto." and its because these theories are not "concrete" that it adds to the BS factor. i know that all things start out as theory, until proven otherwise, but many of these idea,concepts go against known, proven physics laws. Don't justify such ideas with unproven rhetorical comments.

[jonwcarter13]

@Tapps47 Ultimately, I was not trying to change your standpoint, but rather provide another side to this argument. I still think you are a bit closed minded, solely because you fail to recognize some individuals MAY be trying to go about things with a more scientific approach rather than Ouiji boards and scented candles. That's my personal opinion, and I obviously don't have any psychological credentials, so what's my opinion worth? Just because a theory is "Pseudo" doesn't mean the people are.

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 Apples and oranges......apples and oranges.... There is nothing further to discuss.

[Tapps47]

@jonwcarter13 (Cont.) Inventors, these are just people cashing in on the ignorance of others. modern con artists with a new twist. You can't really compare APPLEs corporation who uses known scientific concepts to someone that makes a device and says it will DETECT ghosts. With nothing to back the claims other than belief that it does what they SAY it does. My goodness, i have a cross, its a "Jesus" detector! LOL HEHE

[Tapps47]

@shibuyachick88 I feel sorry for those who are being taken in by all the money grabbers caching in on people who fall for catch phases like "vortex technology" or "EMP Field". All electrical devices emit some EMP".

All the terminology used to make the ignorant think there is a science behind these devices.

[shibuyachick88]

ghost do exist. you wont understand that until you have an experience for yourself.

[Tapps47]

@shibuyachick88 ? There are two types of Paranormal Followers. 1) There are those who just believe what they are told.

and

2) Those that are skeptical and don't assume.

Its to bad we rarely see type 2. Show me the proof that these devices can and do detect ghosts? Even on their web site (Modtronic) they state that they "can't guarantee that these devices are suitable for the purpose intended."

If I was a car manufacturer, who would buy a car that i could not actually say it would drive?

[Meatcleaver101]

I wish you put a bullet to your head Tapps4700

[Tapps47]

@Meatcleaver101 Then i could haunt you idiot, HA HA He He He LOL!

[Tapps47]

@moditronic well then you didn't read my profile. We researched Ghosts years before it became cool to do so. Your devices are picking up static discharges (ions). There is NO proof that Ions or ghosts are energy and we mean NONE! ZERO!, NODDA!

[ZeaMoore4]

People are stupid. They belive what they want. If you prove it's wrong, they will belive even more. If there are ghosts. Where are they? there are about 7 billion people on the planet. someone dies every second of every day. The "ghost plains" would be crowded by now. However. Energy is another thing. We can't deny the fact that people are energy. If you die, you go cold and stop moving. So if energy can be stored in a biological shell, who knows....

[Tapps47]

@ZeaMoore4 yeah. however, our bodies create small electric currents. so they assume when we die we live on as energy. but no one really knows for sure. even if it was correct that our electrical energy lives on, we can not ignore the physics law of energy conservation. Which states we can not have more energy than we started with. the body current is at most 90 micro amperes from those we talked to. which will not light up one LED let alone move a door or make a physical apparition appear.

[ZeaMoore4]

@Tapps47 Yeah, i'm not a beliver ether dude. But the theory is that enegy can never go away. It just changes to another kind of energy. But as you say, not enough to do anything realy visible. All in all it's just a good way for bad people to steal monney legaly from the people who needs to belive in somthing after death. It's sad, and it surely is hard on the poor. The only paracord i have is on my keychain and around my arms, and has nothing to do with ghosts.

[Tapps47]

@ZeaMoore4 :) i hear you. We do believe in ghosts. Just not the methodology of the paranormal. its a bunch of superstition pseudo-science.