Common sense depicts one truth that exposes this Trinitarian error with great ease. If Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are ONE SINGLE GOD combined, then riddle me this. Why is it the Father knows the date of the second coming, yet Jesus does not? It's truly that simple! Jesus said plainly in...Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
@mechengine777 Common sense is easy. I agree. The Father had not revealed this to Jesus in his human nature and during His earthly ministry Jesus set aside all his divine functionality and only functioned as a man trusting in God the Father. Jesus surely does know the date of His return presently, but not at that time in his human nature. Thank you for your interetsing question.
@crosswayokc It's always nice to engage a fellow believer of God :). I do appreciate this opportunity to share with you so thank you :). I'll leave you with this if I may...It is also written in James 1:13 that, "...God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" yet Matthew 4:1 says that, "...Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil."
@mechengine777 Jesus' divine nature cannot experience temptation, yet His human nature is a real human nature and though God cannot be tempted a human can. The divine nature of Christ was not tempted by the devil, but his human nature was.
Explain to me why in salutations of Paul's letters, he starts off with "God the Father and Lord Jesus Christ" (or similar, verses attached), but never includes the Holy Spirit?
1 Cor 1:3, 2 Cor 1:2-3, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1-3, Phil 1:2, Col 1:2-3, 1 Thess 1:1 & 3, 2 Thess 1: 2, 1Tim 1:1, 2Tim 1:1-2, Tit 1:1, Phil 1:3,
And then James 1:2, And Peter 2Pet 1:1-2, And 1John 1:3, 2John 1:3, Jude 1, 4, 21 and John again: Rev 1:1-2
Your 3rd person "Trinity" is ominously missing. Let the Bible speak.
I am a Oneness believer so I find your qualifying Oneness as heresy to be ill-informed at best. Please take the time to study out what we Oneness Apostolics actually believe about the Godhead. I have plenty of videos on my channel which outline our doctrine clearly and succinctly.
@SisterSunshineTV I understand it to deny the ETERNAL nature of the relationships within the Godhead, by denying the eternal reality of co-existing persons within the Godhead. Oneness holds that the appearence of a relationship between two persons known as Father and Son in the Bible is a manifested illusion of multiple personhood for the sake of human understanding. Correct me if I have expressed it incorrectly.
@SisterSunshineTV Further Onesness holds that Jesus is the one person of the Godhead and that Jesus is the Father in the Old Test, the Son in salvation, and Spirit in the present life of the believer. The other error is grammatical baptism forumal regeneration (an "In the name of Jesus" only pronoucement) and salvation is nessessary evidenced by speaking in tongues. (Though Acts 10:44-48 clearly shows people speaking in tongues BEFORE baptism)
@SisterSunshineTV "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
HA....you are BOTH wrong. Jesus never claimed to be God....and no one in the bible taught either of your silly dogmas. Jesus Christ is the MESSIAH...that's who he claimed to be and I think we need to let it go at that.
@JAKEV25 Jesus claimed to be only God, but He even called myself the Greek version of "Yahweh" the very name of God revealed to Moses. He also possessed all the attributes of God, accepted worship, and made divine pronouncements Himself instead of saying "Thus saith the Lord", He instead said, "I say to you" intending the Divine nature of His commands, not to mention the apostles called Him "God" such as Thomas and Paul. They also used the Greek form of "Lord" that was used by Jews for "God".
Trinitarianism doesn't make sense to me. How can the son also be the father? I think the only thing that matters is that we recognize Jesus because re recognize the father. They are one in deed and thought. Jesus is literally God's wisdom made manifest in the flesh, but that's not the same as saying that he is God the Father. If we recognize that Jesus is the image of God, that he comes from God, isn't that enough? Jesus only accepts the answer "You're God's son".
@sarevor Trinity doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father. It means that the one God is tri-personal, just as God the Son is duel-natured. God is the only being possessing three persons, not three beings. Remember ever word you said about the "Son" or "Father" is only meaningful if the Trinity is real. If Oneness is true then any Father/Son talk is actually meaningless. They would merely be masks that God has fooled us with in scripture. Please consider read the book I recommended in the vid.
How many times does one have to prove she is a false prophet before it sinks into their thick skulls? If you deny the trinity, you deny who Christ says He is. God bless you Kelly.. Keep up the good work.
i dont think we have to beleieve in the trinity or the oneness, there both truth, arguing over all it is dumb, CHRIST is what matters not the trinity our the oneness she is right about that , i love you brother but you pay more attion to them then Jesus, Much love brother
@clarymatthew Brother, the Trinity is the Truth. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's what the Word of God says. You take one of these out of the equation, then the bible wouldn't be perfect. Study the Word, brother and pray. So you don't get deceived by these false prophets. Crosswayokc is right. We have to live by the Truth and expose these heresies being taught by amightycult.
@Freddymack1000 i know the trinity is truth and God is one, i think i understand the trinity well. just dont think we should go back and forth over it. but what the other brother is saying is true as well, if she is a prophet she should be hearing God tell her not to argue over the trinity. God is the one turning these people over to chasing worldly spirits through prophets like her, sounds like the lord has already turned her over, may God help her
@clarymatthew I think the really disturbing part is that she is claiming as an Apostle and Prophet that Jesus Christ Himself wants her to silence those who teach that rejecting the Trinity is wrong. keep in mind that we are not talking about a simple church member who is confused on the Trinity or something. We are talking about a supposed visit from Jesus Christ Himself telling her these things. Yes, I agree she does need help. She needs salvation.
@clarymatthew You're right brother. We shouldn't go back & forth debating. But we don't know if that's what God has assigned him to do. I don't know either. All we can really do is pray. Jesus also says, to look after the sheep. But what's really important, is doing what the Holy Spirit is telling us what to do. That's what really matters. I don't judge nobody.. I apologize brother, if I came to strong in the last comment bro. Please forgive me. Love you bro. Keep studying and obeying Jesus.
@clarymatthew 2TIMOTHY 2:15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the Word of Truth.***ROMANS 12:2. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is---his good, pleasing and perfect will.***God bless you bro. Keep growing in the Holy Spirit. NO lukewarm christians will have eternal life.
@clarymatthew You don't have to understand or have even heard of the Trinity to be saved, but you cannot be a prophet and teach that the priniciples within the Trinity are not essential. That is heresy. I do not consider the reality of the Son having an eternal real relationship with the Father a "dumb" issue. You said, "you pay more attion to them then Jesus". I would feel uncomfortable saying this to a Christian as a response to their defense of the Trinity as an essential doctrine.
@crosswayokc no what i said was dumb and dont think i mean you brother i love you, but always talking about this lady more then Jesus thats call something demonic in it's self , they will do anything to get your attion off Jesus, it's called a red dragon ....
@clarymatthew Yes, I do make many videos on this lady. Look at my other videos. I have many scripture lessons and videos on doctrine. I am not a big Youtuber so you only get a small portion of who I am on here. I noticed that for all the AMW videos there was a lack of video just simply examining their teachings in a more systematic way. I simply want to perform a service for the Youtube community by creating a straight foreward theological resource on this one cult.
It also is confusing that she deems it important to identify the Holy Spirit in the Trinity as female and is especially bothered when folks argue against her on this issue... but then she has no problem with those who do not believe in the Trinity at all?
@LiftAloft I agree that most of their believes are heresy. She claims to be a license pastor. If she is then she must have paid for the license and didn't earn it or completely forgot; more to the point ignored what she was taught. I can even go back to a Jewish custom to prove there are three as one. Really, they just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
Common sense depicts one truth that exposes this Trinitarian error with great ease. If Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are ONE SINGLE GOD combined, then riddle me this. Why is it the Father knows the date of the second coming, yet Jesus does not? It's truly that simple! Jesus said plainly in...Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
God Bless
mechengine777 6 months ago
@mechengine777 Common sense is easy. I agree. The Father had not revealed this to Jesus in his human nature and during His earthly ministry Jesus set aside all his divine functionality and only functioned as a man trusting in God the Father. Jesus surely does know the date of His return presently, but not at that time in his human nature. Thank you for your interetsing question.
crosswayokc 6 months ago
@crosswayokc It's always nice to engage a fellow believer of God :). I do appreciate this opportunity to share with you so thank you :). I'll leave you with this if I may...It is also written in James 1:13 that, "...God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" yet Matthew 4:1 says that, "...Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil."
God Bless and take care.
mechengine777 6 months ago
@mechengine777 Jesus' divine nature cannot experience temptation, yet His human nature is a real human nature and though God cannot be tempted a human can. The divine nature of Christ was not tempted by the devil, but his human nature was.
crosswayokc 6 months ago
Explain to me why in salutations of Paul's letters, he starts off with "God the Father and Lord Jesus Christ" (or similar, verses attached), but never includes the Holy Spirit?
1 Cor 1:3, 2 Cor 1:2-3, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1-3, Phil 1:2, Col 1:2-3, 1 Thess 1:1 & 3, 2 Thess 1: 2, 1Tim 1:1, 2Tim 1:1-2, Tit 1:1, Phil 1:3,
And then James 1:2, And Peter 2Pet 1:1-2, And 1John 1:3, 2John 1:3, Jude 1, 4, 21 and John again: Rev 1:1-2
Your 3rd person "Trinity" is ominously missing. Let the Bible speak.
RahabtheJerichonite 8 months ago
I am a Oneness believer so I find your qualifying Oneness as heresy to be ill-informed at best. Please take the time to study out what we Oneness Apostolics actually believe about the Godhead. I have plenty of videos on my channel which outline our doctrine clearly and succinctly.
SisterSunshineTV 9 months ago
@SisterSunshineTV I understand it to deny the ETERNAL nature of the relationships within the Godhead, by denying the eternal reality of co-existing persons within the Godhead. Oneness holds that the appearence of a relationship between two persons known as Father and Son in the Bible is a manifested illusion of multiple personhood for the sake of human understanding. Correct me if I have expressed it incorrectly.
crosswayokc 9 months ago
@SisterSunshineTV Further Onesness holds that Jesus is the one person of the Godhead and that Jesus is the Father in the Old Test, the Son in salvation, and Spirit in the present life of the believer. The other error is grammatical baptism forumal regeneration (an "In the name of Jesus" only pronoucement) and salvation is nessessary evidenced by speaking in tongues. (Though Acts 10:44-48 clearly shows people speaking in tongues BEFORE baptism)
crosswayokc 9 months ago
@SisterSunshineTV "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
crosswayokc 9 months ago
HA....you are BOTH wrong. Jesus never claimed to be God....and no one in the bible taught either of your silly dogmas. Jesus Christ is the MESSIAH...that's who he claimed to be and I think we need to let it go at that.
JAKEV25 1 year ago
@JAKEV25 Jesus claimed to be only God, but He even called myself the Greek version of "Yahweh" the very name of God revealed to Moses. He also possessed all the attributes of God, accepted worship, and made divine pronouncements Himself instead of saying "Thus saith the Lord", He instead said, "I say to you" intending the Divine nature of His commands, not to mention the apostles called Him "God" such as Thomas and Paul. They also used the Greek form of "Lord" that was used by Jews for "God".
crosswayokc 1 year ago
Trinitarianism doesn't make sense to me. How can the son also be the father? I think the only thing that matters is that we recognize Jesus because re recognize the father. They are one in deed and thought. Jesus is literally God's wisdom made manifest in the flesh, but that's not the same as saying that he is God the Father. If we recognize that Jesus is the image of God, that he comes from God, isn't that enough? Jesus only accepts the answer "You're God's son".
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor Trinity doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father. It means that the one God is tri-personal, just as God the Son is duel-natured. God is the only being possessing three persons, not three beings. Remember ever word you said about the "Son" or "Father" is only meaningful if the Trinity is real. If Oneness is true then any Father/Son talk is actually meaningless. They would merely be masks that God has fooled us with in scripture. Please consider read the book I recommended in the vid.
crosswayokc 1 year ago
How many times does one have to prove she is a false prophet before it sinks into their thick skulls? If you deny the trinity, you deny who Christ says He is. God bless you Kelly.. Keep up the good work.
MLove4Christ 1 year ago
"Go ye therefore making disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of The Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
If theres no trinity then one of those mentioned above would not be mentioned there.
Much Agape
ThePrayerHotline 1 year ago
i dont think we have to beleieve in the trinity or the oneness, there both truth, arguing over all it is dumb, CHRIST is what matters not the trinity our the oneness she is right about that , i love you brother but you pay more attion to them then Jesus, Much love brother
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew Brother, the Trinity is the Truth. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's what the Word of God says. You take one of these out of the equation, then the bible wouldn't be perfect. Study the Word, brother and pray. So you don't get deceived by these false prophets. Crosswayokc is right. We have to live by the Truth and expose these heresies being taught by amightycult.
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@Freddymack1000 i know the trinity is truth and God is one, i think i understand the trinity well. just dont think we should go back and forth over it. but what the other brother is saying is true as well, if she is a prophet she should be hearing God tell her not to argue over the trinity. God is the one turning these people over to chasing worldly spirits through prophets like her, sounds like the lord has already turned her over, may God help her
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew I think the really disturbing part is that she is claiming as an Apostle and Prophet that Jesus Christ Himself wants her to silence those who teach that rejecting the Trinity is wrong. keep in mind that we are not talking about a simple church member who is confused on the Trinity or something. We are talking about a supposed visit from Jesus Christ Himself telling her these things. Yes, I agree she does need help. She needs salvation.
crosswayokc 1 year ago
@clarymatthew You're right brother. We shouldn't go back & forth debating. But we don't know if that's what God has assigned him to do. I don't know either. All we can really do is pray. Jesus also says, to look after the sheep. But what's really important, is doing what the Holy Spirit is telling us what to do. That's what really matters. I don't judge nobody.. I apologize brother, if I came to strong in the last comment bro. Please forgive me. Love you bro. Keep studying and obeying Jesus.
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@Freddymack1000 no you didnt bother ne at all brother, it's all love, everythings going to be just fine in Christ
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew I sometimes have to watch myself. Bro. satan has been on my back. God bless you bro.
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@Freddymack1000 thats good, count it all joy, it's when that devils not on our back we need to worry, he cant move futher thengod allows
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew Amen, to that. Bro.
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@clarymatthew 2TIMOTHY 2:15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the Word of Truth.***ROMANS 12:2. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is---his good, pleasing and perfect will.***God bless you bro. Keep growing in the Holy Spirit. NO lukewarm christians will have eternal life.
Freddymack1000 1 year ago
@Freddymack1000 thats true brother love ya, God bless
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew You don't have to understand or have even heard of the Trinity to be saved, but you cannot be a prophet and teach that the priniciples within the Trinity are not essential. That is heresy. I do not consider the reality of the Son having an eternal real relationship with the Father a "dumb" issue. You said, "you pay more attion to them then Jesus". I would feel uncomfortable saying this to a Christian as a response to their defense of the Trinity as an essential doctrine.
crosswayokc 1 year ago
@crosswayokc no what i said was dumb and dont think i mean you brother i love you, but always talking about this lady more then Jesus thats call something demonic in it's self , they will do anything to get your attion off Jesus, it's called a red dragon ....
clarymatthew 1 year ago
@clarymatthew Yes, I do make many videos on this lady. Look at my other videos. I have many scripture lessons and videos on doctrine. I am not a big Youtuber so you only get a small portion of who I am on here. I noticed that for all the AMW videos there was a lack of video just simply examining their teachings in a more systematic way. I simply want to perform a service for the Youtube community by creating a straight foreward theological resource on this one cult.
crosswayokc 1 year ago
@crosswayokc i understand brother, not tring to attack. much love brother
clarymatthew 1 year ago
It also is confusing that she deems it important to identify the Holy Spirit in the Trinity as female and is especially bothered when folks argue against her on this issue... but then she has no problem with those who do not believe in the Trinity at all?
/scratches head
LiftAloft 1 year ago
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Gruurk2 1 year ago
@LiftAloft I agree that most of their believes are heresy. She claims to be a license pastor. If she is then she must have paid for the license and didn't earn it or completely forgot; more to the point ignored what she was taught. I can even go back to a Jewish custom to prove there are three as one. Really, they just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
Gruurk2 1 year ago