I hate William J. Murray the guy bailed out on Madalyn when shit hit the fan and then he becomes friends with George Bush as a slap in the face. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with her being murdered. I wouldn't put it past that sneaky bastard!!!!!!
@apollomiami83 - Unfortunately for the Freethought Community, the graves of Madalyn, Jon, and Robin Murray-O'Hair are unmarked, and owned by William J. Murray. A complete failure of many things, imho.
A lot of people really don't know who Madalyn Murray O' Haire was. She was a woman, mother, grand mother, and self made millionaire during a time when being an Atheist was the worst thing to be in early 60's. Madalyn Murray O' Haire wasn't an angel by any stretch of the imagination; but, she and her family did not deserve to die in the manner which David Waters and his accomplices chose.
f**k religion... it's nothing but a way to divide people. Bible was just a lot of fables which were written by people for people to understand how creation & judgement were converted into bigotry & prejudice. You're better off thinking for yourself..toss that bible away !!!!
"cad - Contradictions? Like what? Care to give an example?"
Well, for example: Ralph Waldo Emerson and say, Ayn Rand are not at all alike. If she took little bits and pieces from various philosophies/ideas, she would be a mass of contradictions. Don't get me wrong, I love this woman and admire what she's doing. She needs a consistent, non-contradictory philosophy, though.
You're saying that Ralph and Ayn didn't agree on anything? I'm sure they had lots of ideas, not just one or two each.
If they agreed that life is good, they agreed. Madalyn didn't mean to say they were alike. She meant that if someone has a good idea, take the idea alone if you don't like the person, or even if you do. We don't ignore good ideas just because they come from people we don't like.
Sounds consistent to me. Plus it wasn't her only philosophy.
And that's a lot like religion too - Mithraism, Judaism and Roman Civil religion might not have much in common, but say you were to invent a religion using elements of these [ ;) ], you would try to pick ones that were in agreement (and gloss over the contradictory ones in your scripture that it was too late to get rid of). We have the luxury of picking what works, and completely rejecting what doesn't and can change our minds. Worth reading about this woman - cos it's a crazy story.
The fact that you can "pick and choose" what works is trivial. Every idea comes down to fundamentals. Particular ideas or philosophic constructs are only fundamentals IN APPLICATION to the real world. I don't remember where I heard it, but: "You can't build a castle on fog."
ya im glad u posted her. i had heard about her but never heard her speak or anything she had to say. it is very educational and if you find anything else by her, by all means post it! also, have u seen the movies 'Zeitgeist the Movie' and 'Zeitgeist Addendum'? If not, you should make a note to see them. best movies in explaining religious conspiracy as well some others.
I saw much of Zeitgeist and I found it to be too agreeable. lol I've seen too many shows and films that promote Atheism and a critique of religion. They bore me now. lol!
Not that I don't believe most of what she says... I just think there is a little more to humans' brains than anybody knows about. Prayer works, but only if a person truly believes that... entity, or object can grant/help them. And the people who disagree disagree because they've never tried it. Prayer isn't the first line of defense, it's for the desperate. The people who no longer have confidence...
kristean14 - Yeah you're all over the place there. First of all prayer doesn't work because there would have to be a god, and gods are made up. Second I also know that prayer doesn't work because like millions of other Atheists, I tried prayer, and quite a lot. It's arrogant to think prayer only works for people who believe it, and it begs the question. Are you sure you're not a Christian?
They are a lot more similar than they like to believe.
First of all, a fucking pencil could be a symbol, and it can have power if you give power to it. What I meant is that God is a symbol. Just like that pencil. Second, it works exclusively to give people emotional or mental strength. It has no 'magical' elements.
Fuck.
And third... Are you sure you aren't just as narrow minded as Christians? Does it hurt to read a bit more carefully?
You know if that were true all atheist would be dead at this very moment burning in hell. Soo many christians are wishing that. yes they are! you cant argue against that.
Another example. How about the apartheid when all black people were supressed? Im fairly sure they were quite confident in God.
Another one. How about WW2? Im sure a lot of christians wanted that to end before so many died.
last one. How about the starving people in africa?
I didn't say it was a fucking magical power that could bring goodness in the world. It's to make people feel content or confident. It WORKS for the one who prays. To make them FEEL better, and it gives them strength. There's no divine creature at work there, it's just helping within that person's mentality... Like some sort of lame therapy. To seek forgiveness in one's self for something they feel they have done wrong. They think if the "ultimate authority" forgives them, then it's fine.
So you are basicly saying that you are bullshiting yourselves every day and night just to feel a bit better well knowing it doesnt truly work? that sounds deluded and very selfish because those kids in africa wont feel better about you praying about them - they will only feel better if you actually help them. And if you think a prayer is good enoough, then you aint good enough.
I remember seeing her on the talk shows when I was a kid in the late 70's and how my mom would rant about how she says there is no god. I was too young to have an educated opinion then but I eventually found her book "Why I Am An Atheist" at the public library when I was 17 and it totally made sense to me. I had never heard anyone so blunt and certain about the skepticism and doubt I had already begun to have and it was a relief to know that I wasn't the one who was crazy!
RuinedSaint--Madalyn was actually the very first guest that Phil Donahue had on his national show. She and Jon and Robin made several more appearances on that show over the years.
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A true American hero.
setmedic 1 year ago
Think about all the evil caused by religion: September 11th, crusades etc.
MamaMario13 1 year ago
I hate William J. Murray the guy bailed out on Madalyn when shit hit the fan and then he becomes friends with George Bush as a slap in the face. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with her being murdered. I wouldn't put it past that sneaky bastard!!!!!!
apollomiami83 1 year ago
lol @ Madalyn dressing as a priest. We all need to plan something and go to this womans grave site and place roses on it.
apollomiami83 1 year ago
@apollomiami83 - Unfortunately for the Freethought Community, the graves of Madalyn, Jon, and Robin Murray-O'Hair are unmarked, and owned by William J. Murray. A complete failure of many things, imho.
aajoeyjo 1 year ago
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A lot of people really don't know who Madalyn Murray O' Haire was. She was a woman, mother, grand mother, and self made millionaire during a time when being an Atheist was the worst thing to be in early 60's. Madalyn Murray O' Haire wasn't an angel by any stretch of the imagination; but, she and her family did not deserve to die in the manner which David Waters and his accomplices chose.
apollomiami83 1 year ago
i just love her!!!! lol...
elsoda 1 year ago
An Amazing women... Its a shame she was murdered...
dayviddisaster 2 years ago
i can't believe I never heard from this woman!! so ahead of her time... she should have been president dammit!
Showaholic 2 years ago
Thank you for posting! This woman is one of my heros!
jiggetyjog 2 years ago
worlds needs more of her
twisted45 2 years ago
f**k religion... it's nothing but a way to divide people. Bible was just a lot of fables which were written by people for people to understand how creation & judgement were converted into bigotry & prejudice. You're better off thinking for yourself..toss that bible away !!!!
ftjax 2 years ago
Nice man good job!
cheferabelo 2 years ago
thank you for your dedication and service to this country Madalyn
R.I.P.
DanielVanVuren 2 years ago
Thank you very much for posting this video! I'm happy to find out more about this great woman:)
Queequel 2 years ago
Hmm, she seems like a person I'd like to meet.
Duke7555 2 years ago
Madalyn, you have no idea how much we need a woman with your courage in these messed up times!
am03ph 2 years ago
"cad - Contradictions? Like what? Care to give an example?"
Well, for example: Ralph Waldo Emerson and say, Ayn Rand are not at all alike. If she took little bits and pieces from various philosophies/ideas, she would be a mass of contradictions. Don't get me wrong, I love this woman and admire what she's doing. She needs a consistent, non-contradictory philosophy, though.
cad40324 3 years ago
You're saying that Ralph and Ayn didn't agree on anything? I'm sure they had lots of ideas, not just one or two each.
If they agreed that life is good, they agreed. Madalyn didn't mean to say they were alike. She meant that if someone has a good idea, take the idea alone if you don't like the person, or even if you do. We don't ignore good ideas just because they come from people we don't like.
Sounds consistent to me. Plus it wasn't her only philosophy.
aajoeyjo 3 years ago
And that's a lot like religion too - Mithraism, Judaism and Roman Civil religion might not have much in common, but say you were to invent a religion using elements of these [ ;) ], you would try to pick ones that were in agreement (and gloss over the contradictory ones in your scripture that it was too late to get rid of). We have the luxury of picking what works, and completely rejecting what doesn't and can change our minds. Worth reading about this woman - cos it's a crazy story.
stevebritgimp 3 years ago
The fact that you can "pick and choose" what works is trivial. Every idea comes down to fundamentals. Particular ideas or philosophic constructs are only fundamentals IN APPLICATION to the real world. I don't remember where I heard it, but: "You can't build a castle on fog."
cad40324 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this film.
artsygala 3 years ago
lol, this woman was awesome. she's a legend
usamerican152 3 years ago
usamerican152 - Agreed. I guess you liked this video then. Cool.
aajoeyjo 3 years ago
ya im glad u posted her. i had heard about her but never heard her speak or anything she had to say. it is very educational and if you find anything else by her, by all means post it! also, have u seen the movies 'Zeitgeist the Movie' and 'Zeitgeist Addendum'? If not, you should make a note to see them. best movies in explaining religious conspiracy as well some others.
usamerican152 3 years ago
I saw much of Zeitgeist and I found it to be too agreeable. lol I've seen too many shows and films that promote Atheism and a critique of religion. They bore me now. lol!
I'm darn glad they're out there though.
aajoeyjo 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA I love her ! she's awesome !
Falloutmoon 3 years ago
Not that I don't believe most of what she says... I just think there is a little more to humans' brains than anybody knows about. Prayer works, but only if a person truly believes that... entity, or object can grant/help them. And the people who disagree disagree because they've never tried it. Prayer isn't the first line of defense, it's for the desperate. The people who no longer have confidence...
But those damn Christians still annoy me.
I am already insane...! *grabs knife*
kristean14 3 years ago
kristean14 - Yeah you're all over the place there. First of all prayer doesn't work because there would have to be a god, and gods are made up. Second I also know that prayer doesn't work because like millions of other Atheists, I tried prayer, and quite a lot. It's arrogant to think prayer only works for people who believe it, and it begs the question. Are you sure you're not a Christian?
aajoeyjo 3 years ago
Oh hell. Atheists are just as bad as Christians.
They are a lot more similar than they like to believe.
First of all, a fucking pencil could be a symbol, and it can have power if you give power to it. What I meant is that God is a symbol. Just like that pencil. Second, it works exclusively to give people emotional or mental strength. It has no 'magical' elements.
Fuck.
And third... Are you sure you aren't just as narrow minded as Christians? Does it hurt to read a bit more carefully?
kristean14 3 years ago
Praying works?
Only if a person truly believes that?
You know if that were true all atheist would be dead at this very moment burning in hell. Soo many christians are wishing that. yes they are! you cant argue against that.
Another example. How about the apartheid when all black people were supressed? Im fairly sure they were quite confident in God.
Another one. How about WW2? Im sure a lot of christians wanted that to end before so many died.
last one. How about the starving people in africa?
Devilsnightforlife 3 years ago
I didn't say it was a fucking magical power that could bring goodness in the world. It's to make people feel content or confident. It WORKS for the one who prays. To make them FEEL better, and it gives them strength. There's no divine creature at work there, it's just helping within that person's mentality... Like some sort of lame therapy. To seek forgiveness in one's self for something they feel they have done wrong. They think if the "ultimate authority" forgives them, then it's fine.
kristean14 3 years ago
So you are basicly saying that you are bullshiting yourselves every day and night just to feel a bit better well knowing it doesnt truly work? that sounds deluded and very selfish because those kids in africa wont feel better about you praying about them - they will only feel better if you actually help them. And if you think a prayer is good enoough, then you aint good enough.
Devilsnightforlife 3 years ago
I have her Playboy interview and never tire of going through it on occasion.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
independent thinkers are always villified
brickbungalow 3 years ago
Her "good investment" remark (at 1:35) is CLASSIC! How brilliant!
nonbreeder 4 years ago
Awesome video. I was aware of Madalyn, but had never seen footage this in-depth before, thank you.
Canaximander 4 years ago
Great Video! Check out midwestatheist.blogspot(.com) for a huge list of great Atheist Video Links!!!
(Including this video)
unalunallena 4 years ago
I love Her
gaathiestsociety 4 years ago
she's very intelligent woman.
AlexMurdoch87 4 years ago
An amazing woman!
CrucieFiction 4 years ago
That was wonderful. She was way ahead of her time dressing up like a priest!
Tiwaking 4 years ago
Madalyn was certainly way ahead of her time!
A1RFburns 4 years ago
That is cool... Maybe I should purchase a collar...
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Katalyzt 4 years ago
I remember seeing her on the talk shows when I was a kid in the late 70's and how my mom would rant about how she says there is no god. I was too young to have an educated opinion then but I eventually found her book "Why I Am An Atheist" at the public library when I was 17 and it totally made sense to me. I had never heard anyone so blunt and certain about the skepticism and doubt I had already begun to have and it was a relief to know that I wasn't the one who was crazy!
TheDudeOfLife 4 years ago
Amazing that people do NOT believe in holy ghosts should be thought to be crazy.......
linuxluver 4 years ago
" remember seeing her on the talk shows when I was a kid in the late 70's..."
Donohue?
RuinedSaint 4 years ago
RuinedSaint--Madalyn was actually the very first guest that Phil Donahue had on his national show. She and Jon and Robin made several more appearances on that show over the years.
aajoeyjo 4 years ago