Hillary did NOT win by a big margin. She got 54% of the vote, Obama got 45%, a 9% margin. In Wyoming Obama won 75% to Hillary's 25%. NOW THAT'S a BIG MARGIN. Watch him do it again in Mississippi.
In the final count, Hillary LOST Texas. Obama walked away with more votes from both the ballots & the caucuses. At the end of the day on Tues. Mar. 5th Obama had 7 MORE delegates than Clinton. He was already ahead by over 100 delegates, this only cemented his lead.
Actually it was a 10.29% margin in Ohio but nevermind, it was not a huge margin but it was a very clear result. I have no problem with Obama but I do have a problem with David Wilhelm.
Does anyone still deny that our votes don't count? Do folq still insist we have honest elections? These are mis-guided folq who still cling to fantasies of "freedom and democracy."
What will the rest of the Barack Obama super-delegates do if Hillary Clinton ends up leading in delegates but Barack Obama would win if his super-delgates stay with him? Will they go with the will of the people, even if that means Barack Obama would lose? Isn't this what many are saying the Hillary Clinton super-delegates should do?
The American political system is a scam to give people the false impression that they live in a Democratic Country. This will not change as long as people are content to be treated like herds of sheep.
I cant comprehend what the big deal is,why are super delegates,super delegates?If it is to follow what the people want,why even vote,the people only need to vote than.If the vote is close enough for the superdelegates to make a difference,than their votes actually mean something,this should be obvious,duh
I believe the Republican Party will win again in 2008. The Democrats are hopeless. They are a rag tag party of disorganized focuses. The GOP is much more aggressive, organized, and can unite quickly under one cause under the worst case candidates. The Democrats whine about everything, and fight among themselves. It's too bad, but the GOP will win again.
This guy is hilarious! Most of Obama's delegates come from ridiculous. undemocratic caucuses, not primaries using a secret ballot. In one case in Maine, he received delegates because only one person showed up to the caucus owing to terrible weather conditions. The Alaskan delegates came from around 500 voters. Outside of Illinois he hasn't shown the ability to win one swing state. Who does this gut think he's fooling?
but he has won way more red states than hillary and what does that say about Hillary's supporters if they dont even care enough to show up to the caucus? Who do you think you are fooling?
True. he has won more states, but she has won the important swing states. The red states won by Obama are certain to go Republican in the national election (check their demogaphics). The caucuses frequently are held at times when workers are unable to attend and require the voters to remain for several hours. Finally, the caucus method doesn't use a secret ballot. These are all facts which you can check out. I'm not trying to fool anybody.
Swing state primaries are not neccessarily an accurate measure of how a candidate will do in the general election, whereas red states are more made up of moderate democrats and swing voters than swing state primaries.
In addition Obama has been consistently polling much stronger than Hillary in general election polls, At no time have the major general election polls showed Obama losing to McCain, the same cannot be said for hillary.
You make a fair point, but the electoral vote count in the swing states will decide the election as they did the last two times. The red states will certainly go Rep. The Rasmussen Poll has shown McCain beating either of the Dem. candidates (though Obama does a bit better than Hillary). Obama has great charisma but can he hold the Latino vote in California and the blue collar vote in Ohio and Pa?
I feel a palpable anger in these comments over the role of super delegates. My question is this: Is it more important to have the ideal nominee (no matter how he or she is chosen) or is more important to unite the democratic party to defeat the republicans in the fall?
My answer if that you can have both. Mccain with a democratic congress would be better than Obama in any capacicity. Hillary would be better than Obama and Mccain. The answer is-choose the legitimate candidate, and if Obama plays his cards right he could earn an internship as vice president.
He just wanted a job. I like how he stutters about giving her his super delegate. He's a fucking joke. He's just on the payrole now and had to come out now to get paid...lol I wish people like him would get out of politics. Fucking Trailtor
They had better cut a deal before the convention. Hillary is slipping and the polls show she loses to McCain. Won't be the first time some bitch has crashed a party out of pettiness.
Hypocrite. Other "super delegates" should turn to Obama since he is in the lead right now, but if Hillary wins the lead.. uh, ah, I, uh, uh.. well, then it's not that important to follow the voters.
MSNBC is one channel. Obama started out the campaign as Just being the better speaker, Hillary had the most special interest money (of any candidate democrat or republican), her husband is a former president and she has spent nearly 2 decades positioning herself for president.
That fact that he is still in this race shows him to be an incredibly competent and effective politician.
He's a community organizer with Rupert Murdoch as his backer. He's a neo-liberal, and a dangerous force for this country. He should be wiped off the political landscape before its too late-hoping his sled will hit a tree.
Its sad because Obama is actually fighting for people like you who have been told what they can and cant do. All Obama is doing is take u back to the fundamental principles of life,Only you know what you can and cant do.
Is there any reason why a fore runner in a race should seek for a loosers price?
that was cute. the superdelegates should bow to the will of the people, as long as they choose Obama. the reporter totally caught him.
hillary will get as many superdelegates as she can, of course, and try to win one way or another. but he made a valid point... a lot of those superdelegates went for hillary before they had any idea things would shake out this way. s-delegate votes cant really be counted until actually cast.
Barack Obama is demagogue. His voters are impoverished and uneducated, or complacent elitists. The party and the country need Hillary to become relevant again.
Get out there and volunteer for Obama. If he gets enough of a delegate lead the superdelegates won't matter. He is the one who can beat McCain, and he is more peace-inclined than Hillary, which is very important for the world's future.
2:05 - "it's not the only thing we need to consider"
Yes David, the top vote winner is the only thing worth considering. His sentiment is good, but his delivery is so weak. If you overturn the will of the people, democracy becomes a memory.
This guy is trying to have it both ways. He wants to act partisan whether the electorate decides one way or the other. I thought the Obama camp was supposed to be above that nonsense...
No I'm outside the voting system, its ok I just drink alot and watch the freeworld implode. Buy war bonds, don't worry about it I'm sure it will be ok...
The Obama gyration, twist and moan. The will of the Democratic electorate: what the old dead white guys want for the Democratic party, someone they can control.
I would expect Obama supporters, who also likely believe the USA is responsible for 911, to forget the USA is a Democratic Republic-and it was designed that way on purpose. Some times the masses aren't intelligent enough to make the best decision.
To believe a President is the only one who can change a country well is foolish specially a country like the USA, me personally I know Obama wont fix everything 100% but I also know he is the biggest step forward for this country, Experience does not matter the ability to bring people together is what is required for any leader, and no other candidate has that.
Thanks, Jeremy. This adds to the drama created if there were this march on Washington- the Ron Paul campaign is talking about.
If there was an undeniable outpouring of support for him, I would like to see what the pundits would say. We all know they would play it up, should only a few thousand come.
So all our individual votes are drowned out by the masses that live around us, and our entire states totals goes to one douchebag. But a "Super"delegate gets their vote to go exactly where they intended it to go. Do away with the "Super"delegates and the electoral college all together and do this solely by the popular vote.
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Barack Obama is demagogue. His voters are impoverished and uneducated, or complacent elitists. The party and the country need Hillary to become relevant again.
and who is Clinton's base in California, and Texas that account for huge numbers of votes? Guess what? It's that latinos. Who do you think is most likely to be impoverished and uneducated in those states?
He might have stammered, but he made perfect sense to me.
This is going to be bullshit if we keep getting the Supreme Court and Superdelegates picking our representatives. Superdelegates is NOT what the forefathers had envisioned when they declared that all men were created equal, particularly when it came to voting. Who is to say that many of the "Super"delegates were not ensured their seats to decide the outcome?
This guy totally contradicts himself. He talks about the importance of the popular vote, and then says he'll go against his own state as a super delegate. This is an Obama-activist like most everyone else in the media-cut and dry.
The popular vote is the popular vote. Who cares what 1 state thinks? You have to yield to everyones wishes if you are a Superdelegate and not just your hometowns favorite.
You are actually contradicting yourself by saying that the popular vote and the states votes are the same things. Hillarys supporters are far worse, they wont even take the time to look into her crimes. Ron Paul is gearing towards his reelection as Congressman. So who are you supporting? Hopefully not McCain or Huckabee.
i love david wilhelm
the people saying mean stuff are assholes
goony247 8 months ago
wow... what a smart guy
nmeiz2 8 months ago 3
David is a dirty doofus!
mtoor7860 3 years ago
It's time for Wilhelm to flip-flop back to Hillary. She won Ohio by a big margin.
berig1 4 years ago
Hillary did NOT win by a big margin. She got 54% of the vote, Obama got 45%, a 9% margin. In Wyoming Obama won 75% to Hillary's 25%. NOW THAT'S a BIG MARGIN. Watch him do it again in Mississippi.
In the final count, Hillary LOST Texas. Obama walked away with more votes from both the ballots & the caucuses. At the end of the day on Tues. Mar. 5th Obama had 7 MORE delegates than Clinton. He was already ahead by over 100 delegates, this only cemented his lead.
Hillary can cry herself to sleep
ninunaia 4 years ago
Actually it was a 10.29% margin in Ohio but nevermind, it was not a huge margin but it was a very clear result. I have no problem with Obama but I do have a problem with David Wilhelm.
berig1 4 years ago
Local delegates
state delegates
pledged delegates
elected delegates
chosen delegates
super delegates
Does anyone still deny that our votes don't count? Do folq still insist we have honest elections? These are mis-guided folq who still cling to fantasies of "freedom and democracy."
There is no election--only selection.
BooBooLane 3 years ago
The will of the electorate?
What will the rest of the Barack Obama super-delegates do if Hillary Clinton ends up leading in delegates but Barack Obama would win if his super-delgates stay with him? Will they go with the will of the people, even if that means Barack Obama would lose? Isn't this what many are saying the Hillary Clinton super-delegates should do?
We shall see.
fjstratford 4 years ago
Wheres the video about Obama stealing his speeches?
Devin1498 4 years ago
there is a video of Hillary being "fired up and ready to go"
akhinaten 4 years ago
Obama's neo-liberals are just as dangerous as Bush's neo-cons.
Devin1498 4 years ago
The American political system is a scam to give people the false impression that they live in a Democratic Country. This will not change as long as people are content to be treated like herds of sheep.
hiwaymanx 4 years ago
People buying into Hillary's inevitability too early is exactly right.
dalpaugh 4 years ago
Super delegates make up only 20 percent of the vote,if that makes a difference ,the spirit of the rules of super delegates is being fulfilled
rjdrules 4 years ago
I cant comprehend what the big deal is,why are super delegates,super delegates?If it is to follow what the people want,why even vote,the people only need to vote than.If the vote is close enough for the superdelegates to make a difference,than their votes actually mean something,this should be obvious,duh
rjdrules 4 years ago
I believe the Republican Party will win again in 2008. The Democrats are hopeless. They are a rag tag party of disorganized focuses. The GOP is much more aggressive, organized, and can unite quickly under one cause under the worst case candidates. The Democrats whine about everything, and fight among themselves. It's too bad, but the GOP will win again.
stargen5 4 years ago
this basically means your vote means nothing..
cus a rich dude has the final say..
WOW!!!
Donninator1 4 years ago
thats what happens when the ppl can't decide on a winner, who else is going to break the tie
sealhunta 4 years ago
This guy is hilarious! Most of Obama's delegates come from ridiculous. undemocratic caucuses, not primaries using a secret ballot. In one case in Maine, he received delegates because only one person showed up to the caucus owing to terrible weather conditions. The Alaskan delegates came from around 500 voters. Outside of Illinois he hasn't shown the ability to win one swing state. Who does this gut think he's fooling?
rj1040 4 years ago
but he has won way more red states than hillary and what does that say about Hillary's supporters if they dont even care enough to show up to the caucus? Who do you think you are fooling?
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
True. he has won more states, but she has won the important swing states. The red states won by Obama are certain to go Republican in the national election (check their demogaphics). The caucuses frequently are held at times when workers are unable to attend and require the voters to remain for several hours. Finally, the caucus method doesn't use a secret ballot. These are all facts which you can check out. I'm not trying to fool anybody.
rj1040 4 years ago
Swing state primaries are not neccessarily an accurate measure of how a candidate will do in the general election, whereas red states are more made up of moderate democrats and swing voters than swing state primaries.
In addition Obama has been consistently polling much stronger than Hillary in general election polls, At no time have the major general election polls showed Obama losing to McCain, the same cannot be said for hillary.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
You make a fair point, but the electoral vote count in the swing states will decide the election as they did the last two times. The red states will certainly go Rep. The Rasmussen Poll has shown McCain beating either of the Dem. candidates (though Obama does a bit better than Hillary). Obama has great charisma but can he hold the Latino vote in California and the blue collar vote in Ohio and Pa?
rj1040 4 years ago
Like I said earlier the swing state democratic primaries and caucusses are not a very accurate reflection of swing voters.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
And last time I checked Obama is beating McCain by only 1% but hillary is loosing to McCain.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
I feel a palpable anger in these comments over the role of super delegates. My question is this: Is it more important to have the ideal nominee (no matter how he or she is chosen) or is more important to unite the democratic party to defeat the republicans in the fall?
Veracifier 4 years ago
My answer if that you can have both. Mccain with a democratic congress would be better than Obama in any capacicity. Hillary would be better than Obama and Mccain. The answer is-choose the legitimate candidate, and if Obama plays his cards right he could earn an internship as vice president.
Devin1498 4 years ago
Gee... I wonder why so many people choose not to vote...
fistnbone 4 years ago
He just wanted a job. I like how he stutters about giving her his super delegate. He's a fucking joke. He's just on the payrole now and had to come out now to get paid...lol I wish people like him would get out of politics. Fucking Trailtor
hwebb5454 4 years ago
They had better cut a deal before the convention. Hillary is slipping and the polls show she loses to McCain. Won't be the first time some bitch has crashed a party out of pettiness.
j0hnwi11iams 4 years ago
Hypocrite. Other "super delegates" should turn to Obama since he is in the lead right now, but if Hillary wins the lead.. uh, ah, I, uh, uh.. well, then it's not that important to follow the voters.
berig1 4 years ago
If the democrats are dumb enough to let the superscammers decide this election, I'll switch party and vote for McCain in November.
bdnguyen 4 years ago
If Obama is the nominee I'll vote for McCain. A moderate Republican over an incompetent Democrat any day.
Devin1498 4 years ago
This whole campaign he has been fighting an uphill battle and he's winning, If he's imcompetent what does that make hillary?
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
An uphill battle? Have you watched MSNB at all the last 3 months? Obama has been riding a sled down Mount Everest.
Devin1498 4 years ago
MSNBC is one channel. Obama started out the campaign as Just being the better speaker, Hillary had the most special interest money (of any candidate democrat or republican), her husband is a former president and she has spent nearly 2 decades positioning herself for president.
That fact that he is still in this race shows him to be an incredibly competent and effective politician.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
He's a community organizer with Rupert Murdoch as his backer. He's a neo-liberal, and a dangerous force for this country. He should be wiped off the political landscape before its too late-hoping his sled will hit a tree.
Devin1498 4 years ago
Its sad because Obama is actually fighting for people like you who have been told what they can and cant do. All Obama is doing is take u back to the fundamental principles of life,Only you know what you can and cant do.
Is there any reason why a fore runner in a race should seek for a loosers price?
beteck123 4 years ago
Why is Rupert Murdoch his backer, he has frozen out fox news.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
that was cute. the superdelegates should bow to the will of the people, as long as they choose Obama. the reporter totally caught him.
hillary will get as many superdelegates as she can, of course, and try to win one way or another. but he made a valid point... a lot of those superdelegates went for hillary before they had any idea things would shake out this way. s-delegate votes cant really be counted until actually cast.
underweightHater 4 years ago
This video is absolutely hilarious.
scanhopper 4 years ago
He's a hypocrite. But he doesn't want to admit it.
ImperiusRex 4 years ago 3
He sounded so gay when he say "super". :)
Visfen 4 years ago
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Barack Obama is demagogue. His voters are impoverished and uneducated, or complacent elitists. The party and the country need Hillary to become relevant again.
Devin1498 4 years ago
Clinton is going the way of Guliani. Watch and enjoy!
Riauw 4 years ago
Get out there and volunteer for Obama. If he gets enough of a delegate lead the superdelegates won't matter. He is the one who can beat McCain, and he is more peace-inclined than Hillary, which is very important for the world's future.
givebirthathome 4 years ago
my gut feeling is that hilary will not hesitate to circumvent the popular vote. she wont give up so easy. oh how i wish she would.
mcalien24 4 years ago
2:05 - "it's not the only thing we need to consider"
Yes David, the top vote winner is the only thing worth considering. His sentiment is good, but his delivery is so weak. If you overturn the will of the people, democracy becomes a memory.
JoeFelice 4 years ago 2
This guy is trying to have it both ways. He wants to act partisan whether the electorate decides one way or the other. I thought the Obama camp was supposed to be above that nonsense...
captaincracklins 4 years ago 2
I think most of this is BS. I highly doubt somebody with a superior vote will sacrifice their higher say for what somebody else wants.
timg455 4 years ago 2
...and Hellary wins by a nose...nice system you guys have...
boots920 4 years ago
Oh and are you a Republican? The system in which you round up the most ignorant people possible to be your base?
Devin1498 4 years ago
No I'm outside the voting system, its ok I just drink alot and watch the freeworld implode. Buy war bonds, don't worry about it I'm sure it will be ok...
boots920 4 years ago
The Obama gyration, twist and moan. The will of the Democratic electorate: what the old dead white guys want for the Democratic party, someone they can control.
Techstasy 4 years ago
So much for freedom and democracy!
gallomex13 4 years ago
I would expect Obama supporters, who also likely believe the USA is responsible for 911, to forget the USA is a Democratic Republic-and it was designed that way on purpose. Some times the masses aren't intelligent enough to make the best decision.
Devin1498 4 years ago
So should we believe the people who hate this country to be right and us to be wrong?
gallomex13 4 years ago
I think politics are a nightmare, and most who go through them likely have a degree of altruistic rational.
Obama's candidacy is a special case of shallowness and demagoguery. How inexperienced he is, and how little argument he has can't be ignored.
Devin1498 4 years ago
To believe a President is the only one who can change a country well is foolish specially a country like the USA, me personally I know Obama wont fix everything 100% but I also know he is the biggest step forward for this country, Experience does not matter the ability to bring people together is what is required for any leader, and no other candidate has that.
gallomex13 4 years ago 2
This country needs motivation, not the same bullshit of scared tactics and easily corrupted politicians that Hillary and McCain would be.
gallomex13 4 years ago
Obama supporters do not believe the us is responsible for 911, have you heard of ron paul and mike gravel supporters?
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
I have, and many of them have moved on to the "change" candidate.
Devin1498 4 years ago
Only because they dislike him slightly less than clinton, not exactly a fair criticism of his campaign.
jonathanwindham 4 years ago
I support Obama now, and I think 9/11 was an inside job.
timg455 4 years ago
"Obama supporters, who also likely believe the USA is responsible for 911,"
That is ridiculous. Where did you get such an absurd idea? Sure YOU'RE intelligent enough to be making decisions?
codediporpal 4 years ago
When does this happen - at the convention?
greatbroad 4 years ago
Yes, at the convention.
JeremyBlueDuck79 4 years ago
Thanks, Jeremy. This adds to the drama created if there were this march on Washington- the Ron Paul campaign is talking about.
If there was an undeniable outpouring of support for him, I would like to see what the pundits would say. We all know they would play it up, should only a few thousand come.
greatbroad 4 years ago
So all our individual votes are drowned out by the masses that live around us, and our entire states totals goes to one douchebag. But a "Super"delegate gets their vote to go exactly where they intended it to go. Do away with the "Super"delegates and the electoral college all together and do this solely by the popular vote.
EricIndiana 4 years ago
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Barack Obama is demagogue. His voters are impoverished and uneducated, or complacent elitists. The party and the country need Hillary to become relevant again.
Devin1498 4 years ago
Demagogue? Example please? BTW Hillary did much better than Obama with low-income, low-education voters. You seem to just be making stuff up.
codediporpal 4 years ago 2
and who is Clinton's base in California, and Texas that account for huge numbers of votes? Guess what? It's that latinos. Who do you think is most likely to be impoverished and uneducated in those states?
codediporpal 4 years ago
He might have stammered, but he made perfect sense to me.
This is going to be bullshit if we keep getting the Supreme Court and Superdelegates picking our representatives. Superdelegates is NOT what the forefathers had envisioned when they declared that all men were created equal, particularly when it came to voting. Who is to say that many of the "Super"delegates were not ensured their seats to decide the outcome?
EricIndiana 4 years ago
This guy totally contradicts himself. He talks about the importance of the popular vote, and then says he'll go against his own state as a super delegate. This is an Obama-activist like most everyone else in the media-cut and dry.
Devin1498 4 years ago
The popular vote is the popular vote. Who cares what 1 state thinks? You have to yield to everyones wishes if you are a Superdelegate and not just your hometowns favorite.
You are actually contradicting yourself by saying that the popular vote and the states votes are the same things. Hillarys supporters are far worse, they wont even take the time to look into her crimes. Ron Paul is gearing towards his reelection as Congressman. So who are you supporting? Hopefully not McCain or Huckabee.
EricIndiana 4 years ago
crackers be breeZy
livythecanuck 4 years ago
I... I... uhhh... stammer...
What a douche.
tangneyk 4 years ago