Michael Moore & Cornel West on OWS, Iraq & Progressive Discontent Obama Faces 2012. 2 of 2

[sisque16]

Michael Moore and dr. West are the real faces of occupy wall street. Americans are tired of the top 1% owning over 40% of the entire wealth, average incomes have stagnated for over 40 years, wages increased while wages decrease, CEO pay is now 750 to 1, wall street oligarchs controlling not only the Fed, but literally unwilling to negotiate mortgages, wasting 2-4 trillion of the Iraq and Afghanistan war, and tax the million like Romney who makes 21.2 million and only pays 15% of taxes, while th

[uniqueonejd]

fuck michael moore.



[paulod27]

Michael Moore's waistline is the square root of pie. I love Michael Moore and what he stands for, and it is great to see the people march against this level of greed.

[TheSkyzaestep]

im confused people be standing around talking there own mind and they be geting arrested?

[MailboxCoumont]

Occupy World!



[tonyteb]

RON PAUL 2012 FOR LIBERTY

[jsgdk]

The goverment are puppets.. this is way beyond Capitalism vs Socialism..

Its about Democracy..

Get your money into credit unions and keep up the resistance.

Every little thing helps and no symbolic millionaire tax is gonna

stop this movement.

Love and respect people.. corporations are not people.

[shane2500hd]

Capitalism isn't the reason for your tuition, credit card or any of your other bills.You occupy assholes do have something in common though, you're all a bunch of lazy ignorant jerkoffs.look at the fucking white house if you wana see the real problem.

[tstruss912]

These two are heroes for anybody who lives in the real world and has normal human feelings.

[MEpianist]

No shit "stop and frisk" is un-Constitutional. They don't do that in white neighbourhoods cause the cop would be fired. What's wrong with you black folk?

IF YOU GET STOP AND FRISKED, you say, "I do not consent to a search, officer." WHEN THEY GO AHEAD AND SEARCH YOU, you don't fight it, but get his badge number, and SUE HIM.

[uTor88]

@MEpianist Wow, really? You can't really sue when the cops are the ones planting drugs on some of these political minorities in the first place.Second, because cops target economically and socially marginalized neighborhoods, chances are those who get arrested do not have the time and/or or resources to sue.Simply walking down the street should not be a reason to be targeted based on the color of your skin. Put of course, the prison-industrial complex is not a well known issue for you

[yossarian1633]

in reference to the Obama question, i dont think its 'what does he need to do?' but more like, IS there anything he can do? Why should he or any candidate be trusted? Have they earned such trust?

[yossarian1633]

if only i could react both 'classic' & 'incredible'

[yossarian1633]

Much Respect for both these men.

[sebbe3825]

Cornel West for President 2012!

[NIKKElsix]

¤¤¤ LuV U MOORE ***

Told U Not 2 Give Up On Young People*

_ ROCK ON _ ROCK ON _

[cshargeit]

occupy your elections. do it now.

[LoveIsNotNotLove]

It's time THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR *REAL REPRESENTIVES* ( false liars who don't live up to their campaign promises should be re-called, and evicted, traitor-lemons they are!) ............it's time they also -- OCCUPY CONGRESS -- too! : )

OCCUPY THE ELECTIONS TOO AND THE VOTE COUNT! ..no more diebold deception counts!

Problem is that psychopathic politicians do things on certain days, to traumatize the masses with shock & fear, to try to push their way by force: ie 9-11 & soon11-11-11?

[whyamimrpink78]

Moore is an idiot. Give people's homes back, health care, education. Ok, lets just give everything away. I want a 3 bedroom house. I want the best health care available. While we are at it, I want a realiable car so I can get to work, or cable tv so I can watch the news. Lets just give everything away. Moore supports the lazy idiots like the members at occupy. After they got done with their hangover with the burning man they formed occupy. Lazy liberals with nothing better to do.

[whyamimrpink78]

Most people with anything that resembles an IQ can see that Moore and this lady is an idiot. As far as West, if you look past is calm persona and the big words he uses you see that he doesn't really know what he is talking about as well. The want Obama to do something but the fact that he is doing something is causing the problem, same with FDR's actions, he prolong the recession until the war took us out of it. I remember Obama as teh man who hurt the US, small businesses, housing, etc.

[EdisonAndHirsch]

that was some great tee vee!

[Hulksmashyellowman]

I will not vote for Obomber again.. Dr. West wants somebody who is not afraid to stand up to the Military Industrial Complex, Prison Industrial Complex, and the Corporate Plutocrats, then he should check out RON PAUL! End the failed War on Drugs which disproportionately puts black and hispanic men in jail for NON VIOLENT DRUG CRIMES! End the Empire which means NO to occupation, torture, propping up dictators, supporting apartheid in Israel, etc. And NO bailouts or socialism for the rich & lucky!

[Smegma007]

I so remember Micheal Moore's speech.

[saintearth]

And 9/11 is still an inside job.

[ttgator2003]

Jaque Fresco 2012!!!!

[RegioLunar]

Thanx for mocking Erin!

[thealternativecouk]

I saw the BBC interview, they just did the same as always; try to confuse the issue and to try to discredit it.

[pjamesbda]

Excellent video. Thank you. These guys are the icons. I think everyone in this deserves to feel good about this for a little bit. We've felt like crap for so long.

[MadXMax187]

I agree with Cornell

[luisdez81]

I find it to be tragically ironic that Professor West was arrested for peacefully protesting just near Dr. king's monument. Progress is slow, grueling and hard. But inevitable.

[whyamimrpink78]

@luisdez81 He wouldn't have been arrested if he was peaceful and was following the law. He is just another idiot that plays the race card in his favor. George Washington Carver warned us about these individuals, people using their race to gain leverage. West mentioned MLK, MLK was fighting for equality for blacks, West is just screaming a bunch of frivolous crap and just wants to get more attention.

[luisdez81]

@whyamimrpink78 I can't tell if you're trolling

:/

[unitytorch]

It's not about left vs right, it's about liberty, the constitution, and truth. How do you expect the government to represent the people when the most important leverage the people have (money and taxes) are taken from the people by force? We will never have the power to change government if we are not able to control its funds. How can we be free when our bondage is to a system, which is sustained by our enslavement- a system that cavalierly violates our natural, moral, and inalienable rights?

[catwatters4]

@unitytorch , Very well said!! It's simple, Not complicated!

[Oishi08]

Time to unplug the system before it self-destructs!

[fndngnvrlnd]

Michael Moore for president

[moety2]

The joke is that the 2 biggest occupations that politicians come from are Law and business. They have no technical abilities. They are not problem solvers.  They are lairs and money manipulators. To think that electing these people to represent us even if they started refusing to take money from wall street will mean or really change anything is a pathetic joke. And to think this still completely goes over most people heads is the saddest thing of all.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 I'm an engineer & lawyer by education & training - 20 yrs in IT/network engineering, 8 yrs in general practice as attorney. Both require problem solving skills, the former with machines and instrumentation of technology, the latter with the relationships between people. If you want to blame politicians, blame Catholics & Protestants - "they" dominate elective offices and neither have problem solving skills. It's not one's profession - it's one's ethics & ideology.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 If you were to go in politics, what profession would you have to use in order to try and get anything done in this system? It won't be your engineering skills. Not to mention just about everyone you would be dealing with won't have any technical frame of reference on getting things done. I don't blame politicians or religious ideologies as the core problem. They are symptoms of an outdated, corrupted and opinion based system that can no longer support itself.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 It's not just the political system but also the economic system that are "outdated, corrupted and opinion (consumer) based (driven) that can no longer support (themselves). The issue for progressive thinkers is what's to replace "them" and how to get "there." You might be interested in reading Sen Bernie Sanders (I) VT - The Speech: A Historic Filibuster on Corporate Greed and the Decline of Our Middle Class.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 The methods and ability to replace them are easy because it's technical. The main problem is our values. You coming from an engineering background should know how well the scientific methods works. If we applied that method to our society for social and environmental concern we would arrive at much better answers based on what we know and can do and not be hindered by self imposed limitations like money. The middle class was doomed to decline because of technical advancements

[jereuter01]

@moety2 The middle class was not doomed to decline because of technical advancements. It declined because raw capitalism works to concentrate money a the top. The top fooled the middle into runaway consumerism with both parents working, credit cards, & the real estate bubble. Scientific method is not without it's own problems & cannot on its own imnprove humankind's condition . You are naive if you think replacing political/economic systems will be easy, but you are entitled to an opinion.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 Where do a good portion of people work? The service sector. What is happening to the service sector? The same thing that happen to agriculture and the industrial industry. It is being automated at an even faster rate. Machines and computers do far more with less people and more efficiently. And it keeps getting better. Who said it will be easy? Don't put words in my mouth, just ask. Scientific method does not claim to be perfect it's far better then anything being used today

[jereuter01]

@moety2 I haven't put any words into your mouth. You said it would be "easy." Go back and look! I've no quarrel with "scientific method." This is the first time you have used that phrase. My comment was to rebut your comment maligning two specific professions, claiming that neither required problem solving abilities. I commented that as both an engineer and attorney, you are wrong, absolutely wrong - both require problem-solving skills.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 I know what I said. The technical's would be easy. Example we know for a fact we can harness and build clean renewable energy sources and feed everyone on the planet. Those are things we can do easily with what we already know. But as I said the problem (hard part) is our values and our outdated ways of doing things. I never said engineering is not problem solving. I was referring how that profession won't help you in today's politics. An attorney's job is to Cont.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 Yes, we can harness & build renewable energy but it will not be easy. A paradymn shift of this magnitude will be incredibly difficult, but it is not improbable of impossible. Note that China's political leadership is almost entirely engineers! In America, lawyers and businessmen "predominate." Jimmy Carter was an engineer but gets bad marks for his presidency. Hoover too! Move on from your anger and frustration to something productive.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 The paradigm shift is in our values.  If we decided to do what we are actually capable of, it can be done very quickly. Believe me I know some people would sooner die then change. I am not angry but dishearten and yes a bit frustrated. As for productive, I am going back to school for alternative energy, I've participate in public question and answering including at Rutgers University and in the progress of doing monthly town hall meetings. So as I said, don't assume, ask.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 It's most admirable that you are going back to school for alternative energy. I wish you success. But, I didn't assume anything, so don't be such an ass. If the shift is going to happen, folks like you and me will need to work together to make it happen, but without ethical, knowledgable and yes enlightened lawyers and businessmen, our efforts to shift the paradymn will come to naught. The tobacco industry is instructive. Turning a fossil fuel industry around will be even tougher.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 It seemed like you assumed my personal feelings and that I should do something productive. I was merely pointing that out. If that wasn't your direct intentions then I apologize. The semantics of our language and internet conversations can be a bit confusing. Yes, we do need to work together and use what we have at our disposal. But the direction I take is to make those institutions as irrelevant as possible. By no means do I think it will be easy but most things worth while r not

[jereuter01]

@moety2 True. Good luck!

[moety2]

@jereuter01 win arguments first. The facts and evidence can be tossed aside because some formality wasn't met. Or worst can be ignored for fear of losing a case. As I said LAIRS. I should know, I work in a law firm for over 15 years. If a problem can be solved by hiding the truth, well guess what gets done? That's they type of problem solving that sadly is common in that profession especially when big money is involved or are you going to claim I am maligning this also?

[jereuter01]

@moety2 Your opinion is terribly biased because of your poor experience working with lawyers. Lawyers as a group are no more or less competent, ethical, progressive or repressive than any other group.  In fact, lawyers are the most highly regulated profession of all. Sometimes the truth is hidden, more often than not justice prevails. The rule of law has facilitated modern civilized nations. Without it, there is no problem-solving, only economic chaos, personal nihilism & political anarachy.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 My poor experience? Lawyers are one of the least trusted professions for a reason, so it's not just me. You make my point in how highly regulated they HAVE to be in order to perform their function. You are the bias one because you are defending a profession close to you. Laws are needed but they are the failure to solve problems that's why no matter how many laws they make and continue to make the same problems persist. If the problem is still there can't call it problem solving

[jereuter01]

@moety2 No bankers are the most distrusted professions. It changes from decade to decade. I already told you that I spent 20+ years in IT & Network Engineering. My 2nd career is law related to technology. I am not defending any profession, just pointing out that you are wasting your time attacking these particular two and your reasons for doing so don't hold water. Many problems are solved & new ones arise because humans are imperfect. So is technology. Your's is a utopia.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 I didn't say lawyers were the most distrusted I said "Lawyers are ONE OF THE LEAST TRUSTED professions" meaning there are more. Sorry but I disagree. My reasons are legitimate you saying otherwise doesn't change that. Instead of addressing the problems those institutions cause, they are ignored and assumed that they are always going to have relevance. Also there is no such thing as utopia. There are always going to be problems, advancements and change.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 I didn't say lawyers were the most distrusted I said "Lawyers are ONE OF THE LEAST TRUSTED professions" meaning there are more. Sorry but I disagree. My reasons are legitimate you saying otherwise doesn't change that. Instead of addressing the problems those institutions cause, they are ignored and assumed that they are always going to have relevance. Also there is no such thing as utopia. There are always going to be problems, advancements and change.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 My only difference with you is that with professions I don't pick and choose which are more or less trustworthy. My rule is caveat emptor when it comes to each individual no matter the profession or trade. Google reveals today that it's bankers and financial advisors, but yesterday it was used-car salesmen, politicians, mechanics, lawyers, telemarketers, agents and managers, celebrities, journalists, and police officers - in that order.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 Believe me I understand where you are coming from about untrustworthy profession. My point (and my words) never said lawyers are the least trusted but that they are among the least trusted professions. I don't see where the problem is with that statement when your own personal search shows that they are. You can do a search tomorrow or next year and lawyers will probably still be included in the group.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 I'm saying every profession/ trade is suspect. Your preoccupation with lawyers is myopic/stereotypical. Another report includes evangelists among least trustworthy Given their history, I'd agree that they are THE least trustworthy individuals in all of society. My issue is that you said lawyers/businessmen have no problem solving skills, that society should do away with them, let technocrats build a better society. You sound like Dick the Butcher & I heard Aldous Huxley's warning.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 Yes every trade can be suspect, not denying that but there are those more suspect then others. To imply that they are all equally as untrustworthy is disingenuous. If there is a problem in wanting people who are qualified in actually getting things done instead of giving lip service and decades of unfulfilled promises etc then so be it. I want a doctor and competent medical staff performing surgery instead of someone voted in because they have more money and is a sly talker

[jereuter01]

@moety2 And, who are you going to go see if your "doctor and competent medical staff performing surgery" turn out not to be so competent? I thought so.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 Really? That's the best you can say to wanting people who are actually best qualified in the fields they need to be in order to get things done. "Who you going to turn to or get to sue them if things go wrong?" lol The fact that things may go wrong and would have to be dealt with does not in any form of the imagination break the logic or chain of thought in wanting the appropriate people for the appropriate task. You my friend just walked into the straw man territory.

[jereuter01]

@moety2 No straw man...LOL You're like the difficult witness who refuses to just give a straight answer to an easy question. The answer is a "lawyer." And, I bet you would want the best one you can find and afford to make you whole again. Like I've repeatedly said, every profession and trade has it's share of miscreants.

[moety2]

@jereuter01 In our culture we do have the need for lawyers. A staple of continuous problems. But you do agree the logical thing is to have people best qualified people working on problems? You don't go to a plumber to pull your teeth. Like I repeatedly said lawyers are ONE OF the least trusted professions. I am sure there are bad ice-cream men and lifeguards lol but there are professions that will almost never be put in the most untrustworthy category and some usually will, like lawyers

[WikeddTung]

@moety2 great point. chris hedges in his book "empire of illusions" takes this idea further by suggesting that all these so-called "leaders" also come from out of a few institutions (harvard, yale, etc.) and that these elite schools are designed to perpetuate the notion of them vs us, the top 1% and a total disdain for the middle class.

politics is no longer a viable way to effect change. it has to be done via revolution.

[moety2]

@WikeddTung Not sure if my reply got through to you but thanks for the plug about the book. I will pick it up. George Carlin said something along the lines about how they people went to the same school and same clubs etc. I thought it was extremely plausible even before I learned about it. Yes, I agree politics is not a viable way to effect change. I would even argue it never was because when you look at history, it was revolutions that effected change, politics just followed.

[WikeddTung]

@moety2 with you there. definitely read the book. it's pretty insightful about the general decay of the US. fyi- you can also type in chris hedges in youtube & find interviews where he talks about the empire of illusions.

cheers!

[moety2]

@WikeddTung Didn't even think about that lol. Thanks again brother. Keep sharing that great info ; )

[Mediumchild]

@moety2 that is exactly what i have been thinking too, these people arent qualified!!!

[moety2]

@Mediumchild Agreed. If you look at history we still have a list of the same probelms. Why? Because we have had the same type of people in positions of power doing little for the people but always doing well for themselves and their friends. A scam if I ever seen one.

[saintearth]

@moety2 And the best thing we can do is to put them all out of our misery.

[brianestoll]

@moety2 too true.. career politicians really suck. we need some retired (or still working) smart people. Of course politics needs lawyers involved but I don't think "politics" was ever intended to be a sole career but rather something that real people took part in aside from their profession.

[moety2]

@brianestoll That does seem likely. I believe I read something like that before. I do know politicians were always wealthy. It was harder to control a smaller population of informed people who actually participated. It was years before I actually started to learn and pay attention about this. Still learning. That's one of the reasons I am not hard on people who don't know because I was in those shoes. It's the people who tell you what things are when they are wrong that gets me ticked lol

[1windsofchange]

I agree with you Michael Moore,

[Louielounge]

Iraq @7:12... "So, for me, it feels like there's been a lot of useless death and destruction, a lot of broken lives, a lot of broken soldiers coming home to a country that, you know, promised them job training, promised them universe... promised them health care, promised them housing, and they're gonna come back to a different country" -- Gulf War Veteran