Damn, its almost like you put all the things that i have been thinking for the past couple of years and are saying them right back to me.Its funny what actually caused me to become agnostic is when pastor told us in church that God is perfect, and it made me think of all the stories of god, and all the flaws that start to appear if you look closely. Kind of ironic haha.
Hey, I love your music. Although I agree with most of what you're saying, I have to comment on your statement that we should believe a theory more because it comes from a scientist with decades of experience. One of the major differences between science and religion is that science DOESN'T depend on authority.. Although it may be useful to us to label some scientists and their theories as "credible", it shouldn't bear any weight in a truly scientific peer review process. Keep doing what you do
So true. I'm a big fan by the way... People who say atheists are just as dogmatic as the people they criticise are idiots. The confidence that scientists have in their beliefs is based on evidence, whereas religious dogma is based on... nothing!
What I never understood is why this even a discussion? Do you seriously believe that if everyone becomes an atheist crime would cease? As if some criminals already don't believe in the idea of God. Nothing good will ever come out of this discussion so what's the point?
@fmcneillii Both are beliefs that are associated with christianity-although I admit not among all christians.Many christians believe the bible implies that the earth is 6K yrs old. The less common belief of knowing when the rapture will occur (for those who believe in it) has also been stated in the past by various christians. I'm not saying the bible specifically states these two things-just that they are beliefs associated with certain segments of christianity.
Although I'm sure there are scientists who believe in the idea of a god, I'll bet they don't subscribe to the more unreasonable beliefs-like the earth is only 6000 years old when radioactive dating dates artifacts much older than that. Oh yea, its 9:47pm CST on May 21st, 2011-and if the rapture hasn't happened here in the deep south, trust me, it hasn't happened! Hope you had fun @ the rapture party! Enjoyed your video.
@LoAginSE If you;re going to criticize Christianity you should know Christianity itself never says the earth is 6000 years old nor does it imply there was a set date for the end of the world. In fact it says the very opposite. I'm not saying Christianity has no flaws but those two things are not part of the actual religion.
The kind of god that scientists believe in is more of a creating force than a god. in the origins of the universe, we see all matter shooting out of an infinitely dense infinitely small point and shooting out in all directions. this point is what many scientists, such as Einstein, describe as god. it makes no sense to believe that a single, anthropomorphic, god created the universe. how can the creating force be more complex than its creation? what created that force? Right now, we don't know.
You know I really think religion will end once we find (or they find us) an intelligent alien race..........I mean how can thiests say god created us in his image if these aliens exist, especially if that race is superior to humans, First encounter has to be the end of religion..........too bad Ill be long dead..........
@IGNsucks How does that end religion? When religion itself never says any of these things. Only certain people who are religious formulate OPINIONS about what they feel God's purpose is for man. In no where does religion says there are no aliens or that he made only humans in his image. In fact if aliens are real how can we say God isn't? Wasn't it 50 years ago when people say aliens were make believe? What if 1000 years from now we find there are beings even higher than those in the universe?
@fmcneillii ?????.........christianity says we were made in gods image..........its hard to argue that if we encounter an alien species more advanced then we are with a different appearance.........get it............how can god make us and a completely alien species in his image................thats like saying Im black and white...........youre either one or the other...
@lasexzchika is the true hypocrite. She sucks on the teat of science, gaining life while going on and on in her delusional personal interpretation of the Christian god.
Imagine if all the energy wasted over religions and gods was put to good use. What a better world this would be.
Science has enabled the discovery of everything that currently gives life to the billions of 'haves' in the world. That the 'haves not', supported only by gods, live a meager existence on the edge of death shows the real, tangible benefits of systematically finding the true reality of the Cosmos as only science can.
if science was arrogant , it would have earned it by now. lol
i don't think science is arrogant. its just powerful. it gives humans hella potential.
and as far as religion goes, i don't believe in jesus or his magic powers . lol fuck dat nigga. but i still believe in my self and the peoples. just not to the point of where we are infinitely important or some shit. its more of an emotional thing... thats no longer hijacked by an imaginary friend. :)
I find it quite annoying to keep going back and forth about this topic. What you believe really doesnt matter to me. I simply stated my opinion in regards to the topic. Aside from that , this debating is pointless. Think what you want to. Nobodys going to try and stop you. If you think all that stuff about God then, good for you.As long as you are at peace with what you believe. I am happy and content with my mine as well.
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I really believe that there is sumthiing on this earth that feeds off of our confusion, frustations, differences, beliefs, and it tends to manipulate us into dividing from one anotha instead of uniting together. Science is fine to believe in as well as any otha religion, if at the end of the day you are at peace. As long as you are not in a religion where its teaching you to kill rape and steal, then i say gud luck to you. cant we jus kill the barriers and understand were all in this together???
@lasexzchika If all Muslims (they don't believe Jesus is their savior) died right now, still believing in Muhammad as the final prophet, would they go to hell? If all Jews died right now, still believing that Jesus was just a normal man who was not the son of God, would they go to hell? If all Jains died right now, still believing that all life is sacred, including the lives of cows, rats, bacteria, and pigs, and not accepting Jesus as their savior, would they go to hell? The Bible says yes.
@RyanTheIncredulous If you really want to know that answer, pray to God and wait for his answer. I am not him, jus an imperfect woman. That is all. I hate that there are so many unanswered questions and it would be so easy if God would just show himself to us, but unfortunately he made life the way it is. So deal with it. Take your questions, your disbelief, your confusion, or even your hate that you hold in your heart to God, and allow, ALLOW being the key word , him to heal you. if u want to.
@lasexzchika So, you admit that you can't rely on the contents of the Bible, since I can't go with what it says re whether they'll go to hell. As far as you saying you're "just an imperfect woman" compared to God, you shouldn't think that way. God as described in the Bible is far from perfect, in fact he's a pig. I don't actually know why you suppose that I need to be healed in some way. Given that you're the one who worships a god who's a racist mass-murderer, perhaps you need some healing.
@CroiBriste And as a christian believer i find happiness in my faith in God. True, you cant see him and sumtimes wen you step away from him, you cant hear him ither. However, wen you are hurting and trully need him or want him, he is wit you. THis prolly sounds like nonsense to a nonbeliever, but this is from my own experience. ANd i wasnt raised in a church or with this belief. I found GOd thru living my life. And wen i found him, i found happiness. So, wat are you talking about???
They quiver at the thought that they really are powerless individuals that honestly have shit in control. Honey, ppl arent creating themselves or purposely taking their lives, wen they feel theyre ready. Yeah suicidal ppl take their own lives, but majority of ppl die not by their own choice....You say religion is digusting and anti- life. How is it anti-life wen Christainity speaks of wisdom to live life. Speaks of how we even got here and then predicted what we were to be experiencing now.
@lasexzchika Anti-life? Here's why, to name a few. In the Bible God puts his own son to death. Sends mankind out into misery. Makes Abraham try to take his own son's life. Kills THOUSANDS of people himself. Turns Lot's wife into salt. Condemns homosexuals and children to death. Introduces every lasting torture in the New Testament. etc. It is not metaphor. The afterlife is a joke. It is a reward for being an unthinking, uncompassionate fascist. Your religion is disgusting.
@CroiBriste You honestly think i wud waste my time idolizing sum mademan crap like science. Either its a fact or its not my ass. Science is all about trial and error. There is no automatic truth to anything. Laws and facts have to be found and even then its ever changing. THere are theories that changed depending on the decade. its all a matter of time and what new evidence they find that overwrites a previous theory. Science is a method, its nothing to put your hope nd faith in.
@CroiBriste You are contradicting yourself. IF you say you see no evidence in God so you dont believe then everything you stated in your second paragraph is all for nothing. If theres no evidence then why are you speaking about what he has done so wrongly and ppl he killed. Ither he exist and has done sumthing, or he does not exists and does nothing. There is no in between. Unmeek and blind, take your lil science, worship it, sleep wit it, or take wateva pleasure it gives u nd hav a nice day.
@lasexzchika It's obvious you don't have a real grasp of science. So I won't waste my time because I get the feeling you won't listen. But, do you realise how stupid it is to say that you can't analyse something just because it didn't happen? What about stories, movies, fiction etc What God does and says is evil, whether he exists or not. He is setting an example for Christians. That is why I care. Because Christian dogma is evil and there are people who wish to impose it on others.
@CroiBriste you kno im sorry you feel the way you do about Christainity. ppl are the ones that make religions look as bad or as good as they do cuz we tend to focus on the ppl and their actions that are behind the religion and not the religion itself. Honestly, i am not too jazzed about religions, sumtimes its hard to believe wrds coming from imperfect individuals. But hey, you can choose to follow sumthing or you dnt have to. ITs all your choice sir. So, just do you and be happy.
As an atheist who believes in science answer me this - Why did you wake up this morning or even continue on thru out the day? What is your driving force in your life that keeps you from tsking ur life- what is your purpose in life? While on that subject, why were we put here and why do we die? whats the point? Sum babies only live for a day then die, why? Tell me, better yet, go ask science to explain it to you and while you wait for an answer, try not to hold your breath.
Honestly at the end of the day, it really doesnt matter whether you believe or not. The truth will still exist....What has science done for us? Nothing, it gets zero credit, ppl have don for us, not a method. Ppl. Science does not keep your body from droppin dead, nor did science create you or kill those who have passed. Science is only a tool of understanding, jus as religion is a tool of living, philosophy, and psychology and so forth. Tools that exist only cuz we allow them to.
@lasexzchika 'What has science done for us? Nothing'
Can you really sit there with a straight face and say that? While you're typing it into a machine connected to a system that were both created by science? Sure, science is a method and not a thinking 'thing'. But it's the honesty of the people employing it that make science so important. It seeks the truth. Religion is not a system for living or truth seeking. It's a disgusting philosophy that is ultimately anti-life and anti-happiness.
@CroiBriste This machine was created by people, people who created the idea of science. Honestly, all these debates are pointless. You believe what you want to. At the end of the day, the truth will exist regardless..... Sum ppl feel the need to be in control of evrything. They dnt want otha ppl , a simple religion, a book, a bible,or anythng tellin them wat is right and wrong. They are stubborn and ignorant ppl who walk this earth blindly under the impression that theyre their own Gods....
@lasexzchika 'these debates are pointless' Then why are you bothering? No real arguments? You do not 'believe what you want to' in science. Something is either a fact or it is not. God exists or he does not. It's not because I 'dnt want otha ppl' telling me what to do. I see no evidence for God so I don't believe. This applies to anything: fairies, imps, unicorns, etc. My ass you found god through living your life. You inherited that religion from your peers. It's the same with all religions.
i do not kno of your age however it is a fact that you are not centuries old, so how is it that you can deny the truth that is written down on the original scrolls and papers by men choosen to tell of God's message. Jus becuz you are not certain does not make biblical events false. Maybe, these bibles that we have now are misprinted and the truth have been edited or deleted sum time ago. One thing that is true to science as it is of religion is that the truth will be regardless of your belief...
I am a believer of christainity yet in no way am i offended cuz as youve recognized that you hav the freedom of choice.Actually you are right about choosing to believe. Yes that is my choice jus as yours is to believe in science.You speak of theories and you believe in science, however,science was discovered by men. Science does not exist on its on jus as religion doesnt. Both are flawed and stained with the touch of man. You speak of facts, but what have seen that was proven to you by science..
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Dawg, respect your music, but damn, you are serious about what you are doing. You really spend alot of time disproving religion as religious people is finding God, damn. I live life, I know that God is out there, but idk.
Gravity is also considered a "theory" so when Creationists say that evolution is only a "theory" trying to back up their argument, they obviously don't understand what the word means in the scientific context.
hey man i htink sometimes scientist can be arrogant to the fact they they think they know when scientist get proven wrong with time all the time. i think sometimes scientist like to say they know when they should say I dont know more often. its okay to not know. things. and religion is always that way. idk if theres a god or gods. were on a flying rock floating threw space who knows man. but to say u know is just silly. theres so many stoires and ideas.
Why is it that religious people get so offended when others try to scrutinize their bizarre behaviour and systems of worship? (eg: visiting a big building each Sunday with other people to talk about, and to, a shared imaginary friend).
Comparing belief in the usefulness of the scientific method to belief in a god is like comparing a computer with believing in ghost zombies. They're just incomparable, one is based on evidence and logic, the other is based on pure imagination.
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Why are you so judgmental of those who have faith in a different belief - whether it be science, religion or anything else - when you obviously have strong beliefs yourself? Atheism requires a 'faith' in the disbelief of God. How do you know the stars are countless if man is as insignificant as your perspective says they are? Aren't you just another man with as limited a perspective as everyone else?
Respond to this video... old fashioned human arrogance.theist and atheist preaching of negative non constructive ideas. burning of qurran,ripe a page of the bible.its only material.hatred is in their hearts. anger and fear is the outcome.sad to say but focuse on debating and you will see the ugly truth.where is the love?
Even those experts that have been in the field for 15-25 years have their theories looked at with the same skepticism as a newbie's theory. That's how science works, it is by far the most accurate method to gain understanding. But I get what you are saying. Also to note theorem is a mathematical term Theory is the closest word to explain the truth of something that is not set in stone. Things that are unchangeable are called Laws. Theory=fact Hypothesis=The version of theory believers use.
Greydon, I just discovered you and your music through a Facebook friend. I'm not a fan of Hiphop and Rap in general, but I like your music and message. I am very thankful for artists like yourself for reaching younger minds. On the subject of arrogance of Science and Religion - arrogance can be easily confused with confidence. I think the difference is willingness to change ones view in light of new data, which is precisely the difference between religion and science.
I like how you present "food for thought" towards individuals whom think these exact questions on a daily basis. Also, how your willing to review the perspectives of your peers to compare and contrast ideas with that of your own to come to an individual conclusion of certain things...That's very noble!
With that being said, I don't believe this 500 char. limit will be enough for me to respond effectively to the simple, yet complex questions and concepts you posed on your vlog. Let's see...
if you dont anser my question your just as closed minded and arrogant as religious ppl,ppl have questions,i have questions,from what i see in the comments you only reply to ppl that agree with you,im saying i disagree i just want to know what you hope to achieve by spreading the word that religion is a lie? Im not religious,i dont know,none of us do,we cant say anything for a certainty really.
@greydonsquare sorry bro i dont see it,but i saw an interview where you said you want a world with critical thinking,so i guess i answered my own question. :)
This reminds me of Storm by Tim Minchin. If you watch the video on youtube ... to which I cannot link for some odd reason, it ends with this "isn't the natural world as complex and beautiful as it is enough for us" and I think that is a good point of view reducing the arrogance on both sides. As a scientist it makes you realize how little we really know about our environment and it challenges the need for blind belief in magic/miracles/the divine.
@DaAlphaOmega If your religion is not a lie, tell me then, why did the god of the Israelites entice them to slaughter the innocent children of the Amalekites?
Read 1 Samuel 15:3.
If you subscribe to Islam, explain the sex verses in Quran 78:31-33.
as for religion,look at the vatican.spending money on expensive travel when that money could be used to help the poor. religious leaders,billionaires? religion can never help people because it doesnt allow people to be free thinkers.time for everyone to start opening their minds.anyways,just my views on it.cheers
nowadays science and religion are both used to dumb down people by the powers that be.the so called scientists only let us know what we need to know and nothing that can help us.science is used to create diseases and kill.religion is used to brainwash people and control the people with fear.if we're technologically advanced but not spiritually,then it can be the end of the world, like the present situation right now.stuff like nuclear bombs.its scary.
continued.the god people talk about cant be true.its people living in fear of god which is ridiculous.id rather call it the creator.the creator has taken your form and all living that exists in order to have spiritual experiences so that it can learn lessons for itself.religion is a danger to this earth.also,the science we know here on earth is all we know.yet there is much more and i can see in the future how science and spirituality can be related to each other one day.
wussup greydon i like your tracks very much. when i was young, i'd go with the flow,looking at what others do and pray to god and whatnot.then as time went by i started asking questions which led me to believe there was really no god to oversee us and judge us according to our deeds. i still dont,however i see things in a spiritual manner now. we're all just spiritual beings.and the creator is a great scientist to me.i dont view the creator as god,i believe we are a part of the creator.
I agree with you perspective on religion arrogance, i just can't stand how they believe everything is here for us, just for us, we are so damn important to god, it actually makes me sick how much they need to feel important that they need to believe there is an immortal all powerful being that loves every single one human infinitely
@TenkuNoWind yea man, it has to do with insecurity in a cruel unforgiving world. Its sad really, all the energy and devotion to god can go to our planet and fixing it and bettering the human condition.
@TenkuNoWind Lol I can't wait for the day some race of super-advanced Aliens comes to Earth and imposes their religion on us, then maybe Theists will begin to see things from our perspective. Or even better-- the Aliens are atheists!
I do not think that man is superior to animals. I think we are no different from animals. we are mammals are we not. put a man in a cage with a lion and see witch is superior. as for Religion. We are all born atheist. Where did you learn about Religion and spirituality unlass you pict it up externally.
science gave us things like the internet and long distance communication. Tell me when Religion can put an END to how sex affects our thoughts in an easy simplistic way (I mean God made an on switch surely he can make on off switch through his religion right?) then when he gives us telepathy and flight... THEN I'll give a fuck.
I mean God as it stands is unbelievable because the belief in God in and of itself has NOT provided us with ANY technological advances at all. So Science wins /arguments
We appear arrogant because "we know". but we use logic, evidence and reasoning; our arrogance comes from knowledge. You can't argue with someone's imagination, it will find a loophole....thats why religion is contradictory...so you can argue for religion NO MATTER WHAT! .
I think our arrogance is a defense mechanism to stop us from beating our heads against the wall!
Having said that,what I believe to be truly wrong is childhood indoctrination, brainwashing and denying knowledge for children.This way people grow up having already made up their minds before their minds have even developed. I think as children we should not be told one way to be true and all others false, but to encourage free thinking and making our own informed decisions. Now if as an adult they wish to embrace religion then who am I to argue with that?
@Bizzar0Stamos Belief that a God created everything for you and sent a son (or himself) to die for your sins and salvation being gained only through that religion....Christianity isn't what?
Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. It could not be that Jesus is the only Truth, and other religions also be the truth.
@xtrashed Everything you said is absolute bullshit and has been refuted countless times by countless people. Your bible was written by men, none of them even close to first hand accounts, God doesn't need a creator, blah blah. The universe isn't even closely "tuned" to life, much less than 1% is habitable. Arguments from authority and quote mining, you fail.
Whether you go to Christian scholars or non-Christian scholars they agree that the Gospels, the genre of the Gospels, are are 1st century Greco-Roman Biographies. These are people that sat down and wrote about the life of Jesus. I recommend a book that goes through the evidence for the 500 eyewitness that saw Jesus' Resurrection, the book is called 'Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness testimony,' by Richard Bauckham (he is a New Testament scholar).
On your question, about God not needing a creator. This is true. Nothing brought him into existence. He has always existed. He is the uncaused cause. Think about it. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes. Its like having an infinite line of dominos falling one after another. If you go back infinitely in time to try and find the first domino that started it all, youd never find it because youd have to cross an infinite amount of time to get to it which is impossible to do.
This would also mean that there you cant have an infinite regression of causes. Furthermore, this would mean there would never be a first cause. If there is no first cause, then there cant be a second, or a third, and so on and you wouldnt have any of them falling at all. But since they are falling, there had to be a first cause, that itself was uncaused that started the whole thing moving at a specific time in the past.
So too with the universe. It was caused to exist at a specific point in time. The uncaused cause is God, who decided to create the universe and who, as the Bible says in Psalm 90:2, is from everlasting to everlasting.
Psalm 90:2 explains the fact that God existed in eternity long before the mountains and the Earth came into existence. The proof is that all things in this universe are too good, beautiful, organized, and complex to have been made by accident. They were designed by an all powerful and all knowing intellectual being that we call "God." This God cannot be seen for he is too vast, infinite, beautiful, and perfect to be in our field of vision.
Psalm 90:2 explains the fact that God existed in eternity long before the mountains and the Earth came into existence. The proof is that all things in this universe are too good, beautiful, organized, and complex to have been made by accident. They were designed by an all powerful and all knowing intellectual being that we call "God." This God cannot be seen for he is too vast, infinite, beautiful, and perfect to be in our field of vision.
If God is all good and the governor of the Universe, why is there is so much disorder in the world? Here is how Thomas Aquinas put it; if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be destroyed, if there is infinite heat there would be no cold, but God is described as infinite good. Okay, then how come there is evil? Wouldn't the infinite good destroy evil?
Here is how John Stewart Mill put it, many centuries after Aquinas; if there is evil God cannot be simultaneously all knowing, all loving and all powerful. If he's knowing he'd know about it, right, if he was all-loving he'd want to do something about, if he was all powerful he could do something about it. Therefore, there wouldn't be any evil. If there's evil there still could be a God, but we have to give up on his omniscience or on his omnipotence or his omnibenevolence
That too is a very good argument. I would say that most people who struggle with evil and suffering, wouldn't be able to articulate it like that philosophically, but they feel it, they feel the truth of that. That the goodness of God seems to be opposed to the evil in the World. So how do we get at it. In some ways, theology is meant to respond to that question.
Here is just one way at it. Thomas Aquinas typically describes God, and he's using the Bible here, describes God as an artist. What's his canvas, all of space and all of time. We see a tiny corner of God's canvas, but he is using all of space and all of time, the whole of creation. What is he making? Something beautiful. Now beautiful paintings, beautiful sculptures, beautiful novels, beautiful films, typically need a play of dark and light,
So Aquinas says, God permits evil, and there's the key thing, God does not cause evil. Because evil is not a thing, rather it's a lack, it's a privation of being, says Aquinas. When you have a toothache, it means there is something missing, lacking from the health of the tooth. Someone who is blind, there is something missing in their ocular apparatus.
So all evil has that form, therefore God does not cause evil, but permits it, why, to bring out a greater good. So as to produce, in a way we can't see clearly, a more beautiful canvas, a more beautiful picture, a more beautiful novel.
In fact it's Dante that compares all of creation to a great book. At the end of time when we are in heaven looking into the face of God, we will see all of creation like a great book, it will make coherent sense, but in the course of this life what will we see, maybe one part of one paragraph. That's why the Book of Job, in the Old Testament is so important. Job has suffered more than anyone has ever suffered, right, he loses his wife, his kids, his livestock, everything.
But he knows he's righteous, he knows he doesn't deserve this suffering and so he complains to God, he cries out to God, the way an awful lot of people have done over the ages and many still do today.
God answers him by taking him on a tour of the cosmos, he takes Job up out of himself, and takes him for an elaborate tour of the cosmos, and he asks over and over again, Job where where you when I laid the foundations of the world, where where you when I arranged the planets and the stars, where where you when I told the sun where to rise and so on, the point he is bringing Job into an ever wider horizon, so Job might see his own suffering in a wider cosmic context.
That's typically how the Church has tried to explain suffering.
That is written by Father Barron on here. I would say there is no single reason for why God permits suffering in the World, rather there is a multitude of reasons that are in play here. I could go into this further if you like.
On Fine Tuning, There are a significant number of well attested scientific laws, which in their mathematical form have dimensionless constants which are not dependent on any other scientific law. In other words, these constants are just a "given", they are simply a part of the initial conditions of the universe. As such, they currently have no definitive naturalistic explanation for why they are the values that they are.
"Why not?" is the answer. If you follow the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, those values were guaranteed to happen an infinite number of times.
The multiverse theory is increasingly popular, but it doesn't so much explain the laws of physics as dodge the whole issue. There has to be a physical mechanism to make all those universes and bestow bylaws on them. This process will require its own laws, or meta-laws. Where do they come from? The problem has simply been shifted up a level from the laws of the universe to the meta-laws of the multiverse.
what you said is basicly "if things were different, then things would be different" which is a flaw. if sentient life existed in any given universe, it could state "if things were different, i might not be able to exist", but in all such universes where life could not exist, there would be no one to posit that statement.
What's really involved here is a form of "Anything but God" thinking. A good many people are prepared to believe in any eternal thing with arbitrary abilities, as long as that thing is not God.
It turns out by varying these constants the interaction between the various scientific laws changes dramatically, so dramatically in fact, that if some of these constants are altered by an unbelievably tiny amount, carbon based life would not be able to exist in the universe.
Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths. Only in Christianity are there accurately fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels), so we can trust what was originally written.
Look at the emphasis on peace and forgiveness and reconciliation on acceptance while not accepting sin. These specific attributes should call out or have a ring of truth to anyone honestly seeking the Truth. No other religion can make the claim that their God loved us so much He sacrificed Himself for us.
The interior logic and yes the interior life make a compelling case for Christianity, but it's not an easy message because it means giving up your selfish self too--or at least trying too
What strengthens my faith is an argument from content. All religions are not the same. If you esteem love, if you think love is the highest calling of Man, then Christianity is the only religion that specifically espouses sacrificial love: The Passion and the calling of Christ to His followers.
God, by definition, is not an object in the world, since he's the creator of the world. If I could "experiment" on God, it wouldn't be God that I'm experimenting on! You have to allow for types of knowing outside of the narrow framework of the empirical sciences.
A creator is required because of the radical contingency of the world, proved definitively by the big bang. That which does not contain within itself the reason for its existence requires finally that which does exist through itself. And a fluctuating vacuum, by the very fact of its fluctuation, is in need of an explanation!
God's existence can be proven through a metaphysical reflection on the radical contingency of the world (best proven, by the way, by the Big Bang).
where did god come from? if he has always existed, then skip a step and say the universe has always existed, and if he has not always existed, then he must have been "created" by your logic, and thus would have had to had a creator who always existed or was created...
What scientists have discovered about the universe in recent decades is that the universe is very finely tuned to support life.
If a person looks at the scientific evidence objectively, the past half century or so it's become much stronger pointing towards the conclusion that something outside of our universe is needed to explain what we find in our universe.
that assumes that life could only exist in our universe. in all universes in which sentient life could exist, someone like you would argue that the universe was finely tuned.
A fairly high statistic of non-belief in scientists does not mean there is a diminished need for religion or the belief in God. If there was scientific evidence against it, then number of scientists who believe in God would be close to zero.
There are plenty of scientific reasons to think that the elegant machinery that has been discovered in life could not have arisen by some chance process.
no, unfortunately, the system of evolution explains everything, this is another one of your statements that assume that life must be like us to exist.
Take a look at the work of Teilhard de Chardin, John Polkinghorne, Arthur Peacocke, Stanley Jaki, Ian Barbour and many, many others in order to see how religion and science can come together non-competitively in a contemporary context.
Newton, Kepler, Descartes, Pascal, Tycho Brache, Copernicus--in short all of the founders of modern science--were devoutly religious. And the discoverer of the Big Bang was a priest. Even Einstein declared himself "a proundly religious man." The myth of the incompatibility of science and religion is not only stupid but dangerous.
and yet, their belief in god had noting to do with their science, stop trying to appeal to authority. science is based on reality and evidence, religion is based on fables of bronze age goat herders.
You make a great error when you try to divide the two: religion v science and vice versus. There is no either or.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Einstein.
The basis of science is the fundamental intelligibility of being. Where does that come from, pray tell? How do you explain the fact that every corner of existence is imbued with reason? The physical sciences emerged precisely from a Christian intellectual milieu, and that is not accidental.
the ideas of science came from the enlightenment, which was caused by the re discovery of the greco-roman ideas, which were up until that point worked on by arabs.
something tells me that it was a religious person who came up with scientists are arrogant. most likely, they don't understand science and deem it hard, so it's easier to say it's arrogant. i mean look at the difference, science vs a man in the sky did it. the latter is so much easier to say and comprehend. it's much easier to believe a children's-type story than learn biology, physics, athropology, etc.... so, i'm not buying the whole scientists are arrogant thing, it's just a distraction
shut up. its not science that is arrogent, how can it be? science is simply a mode of thought, a system of unbiased measurement that is used by sometimes biased humans that use it. he is refering to those people. science is great but a lot of the funding for experimentation is decided upon and dished out by sometimes closed minded individuals who have their own agendas and/or those who see science as a thing that should never bend or be flexible in any way. just as bad as religion in that sence.
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Leviticus 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
The Technocratic Dictatorship. A reality that we all should be aware of. The common denominator between Religious and Scientific arrogance is the human tendency towards elitism. Both these patriarchies will keep info for themselves in order to have power of the "profane/fish"
Scientific Priests of the old dogmas (Darwinism) are just as resistant to debate as Fundies are.The original priests were astronomer/astrologers that could predict an eclipse; thus giving them godhood.
I think with the scientific community a lot of it has to do with the work that was needed to prove their theories. Where as in the theist com unity all they have to do is believe what was written. In that sense the scientist deserves to have that arrogance more because they did the work for that belief. They did not just accept a book that was given to them which was written by someone else. That's where I think the arrogance stands from. <3
Point(s) made. This is why when a non theist (i don't like the term atheist either), or agnostic begins to talk to a theist of any kind they will admit to really being an agnostic theist.
I think the arrogance lies in science or faith being applied blindly and wrecklessly. There has to be an unqestioning stubborn ignorance or warpped ambition behind them that gives them that arrogance.
Very important subject to bring forward and thanks for making the video.
I wouldn't call it arrogance in science when it is based on factual evidence. It is simply the assertion of what (to the best of our knowledge) what is valid from empirical and logical reasoning.
Dogmatism however is problematic in all walks of life, and is the product of a closed mind, one that has found an answer it agrees with and refuses to let it go regardless of what is presented later.
Beyond his album, every interview and thing I've seen him do...He's gotta be one of the best spoken smartest people I've heard. I first heard of him on SGU and have been impressed the more I hear. And Dangaver he's not defending gun control. He's actively saying it takes something beyond guns (i.e. something conscious) to have the capability of killing anyone. Pro/con gun control he doesn't get into. I'm looking forward to future posts Greydon, KEEP IT UP!!!
good job Greydon! you have a great argument and i love your music. the only question i have is if guns kill people can i blame misspelled words on my pencil?
Damn, its almost like you put all the things that i have been thinking for the past couple of years and are saying them right back to me.Its funny what actually caused me to become agnostic is when pastor told us in church that God is perfect, and it made me think of all the stories of god, and all the flaws that start to appear if you look closely. Kind of ironic haha.
SkEeBOP14z 4 months ago
Hey, I love your music. Although I agree with most of what you're saying, I have to comment on your statement that we should believe a theory more because it comes from a scientist with decades of experience. One of the major differences between science and religion is that science DOESN'T depend on authority.. Although it may be useful to us to label some scientists and their theories as "credible", it shouldn't bear any weight in a truly scientific peer review process. Keep doing what you do
FredrikSpangler 5 months ago
I'm gonna start linking people this because I'm tried of explaining it myself and you do it without acting like a dick which is even more impressive.
Piratesaregay12322 5 months ago
So true. I'm a big fan by the way... People who say atheists are just as dogmatic as the people they criticise are idiots. The confidence that scientists have in their beliefs is based on evidence, whereas religious dogma is based on... nothing!
CammehYaBams 6 months ago
You cured my racism. Thank you.
TaiHaoning 7 months ago
What I never understood is why this even a discussion? Do you seriously believe that if everyone becomes an atheist crime would cease? As if some criminals already don't believe in the idea of God. Nothing good will ever come out of this discussion so what's the point?
fmcneillii 8 months ago
@fmcneillii Both are beliefs that are associated with christianity-although I admit not among all christians.Many christians believe the bible implies that the earth is 6K yrs old. The less common belief of knowing when the rapture will occur (for those who believe in it) has also been stated in the past by various christians. I'm not saying the bible specifically states these two things-just that they are beliefs associated with certain segments of christianity.
LoAginSE 8 months ago
Although I'm sure there are scientists who believe in the idea of a god, I'll bet they don't subscribe to the more unreasonable beliefs-like the earth is only 6000 years old when radioactive dating dates artifacts much older than that. Oh yea, its 9:47pm CST on May 21st, 2011-and if the rapture hasn't happened here in the deep south, trust me, it hasn't happened! Hope you had fun @ the rapture party! Enjoyed your video.
LoAginSE 8 months ago
@LoAginSE If you;re going to criticize Christianity you should know Christianity itself never says the earth is 6000 years old nor does it imply there was a set date for the end of the world. In fact it says the very opposite. I'm not saying Christianity has no flaws but those two things are not part of the actual religion.
fmcneillii 8 months ago
The kind of god that scientists believe in is more of a creating force than a god. in the origins of the universe, we see all matter shooting out of an infinitely dense infinitely small point and shooting out in all directions. this point is what many scientists, such as Einstein, describe as god. it makes no sense to believe that a single, anthropomorphic, god created the universe. how can the creating force be more complex than its creation? what created that force? Right now, we don't know.
lazarouslive 8 months ago
You know I really think religion will end once we find (or they find us) an intelligent alien race..........I mean how can thiests say god created us in his image if these aliens exist, especially if that race is superior to humans, First encounter has to be the end of religion..........too bad Ill be long dead..........
IGNsucks 8 months ago
@IGNsucks How does that end religion? When religion itself never says any of these things. Only certain people who are religious formulate OPINIONS about what they feel God's purpose is for man. In no where does religion says there are no aliens or that he made only humans in his image. In fact if aliens are real how can we say God isn't? Wasn't it 50 years ago when people say aliens were make believe? What if 1000 years from now we find there are beings even higher than those in the universe?
fmcneillii 8 months ago
@fmcneillii ?????.........christianity says we were made in gods image..........its hard to argue that if we encounter an alien species more advanced then we are with a different appearance.........get it............how can god make us and a completely alien species in his image................thats like saying Im black and white...........youre either one or the other...
IGNsucks 8 months ago
@lasexzchika is the true hypocrite. She sucks on the teat of science, gaining life while going on and on in her delusional personal interpretation of the Christian god.
Imagine if all the energy wasted over religions and gods was put to good use. What a better world this would be.
psycotria 8 months ago
Very good video.
Science has enabled the discovery of everything that currently gives life to the billions of 'haves' in the world. That the 'haves not', supported only by gods, live a meager existence on the edge of death shows the real, tangible benefits of systematically finding the true reality of the Cosmos as only science can.
psycotria 8 months ago
if science was arrogant , it would have earned it by now. lol
i don't think science is arrogant. its just powerful. it gives humans hella potential.
and as far as religion goes, i don't believe in jesus or his magic powers . lol fuck dat nigga. but i still believe in my self and the peoples. just not to the point of where we are infinitely important or some shit. its more of an emotional thing... thats no longer hijacked by an imaginary friend. :)
xBLOODBAFx 9 months ago
I find it quite annoying to keep going back and forth about this topic. What you believe really doesnt matter to me. I simply stated my opinion in regards to the topic. Aside from that , this debating is pointless. Think what you want to. Nobodys going to try and stop you. If you think all that stuff about God then, good for you.As long as you are at peace with what you believe. I am happy and content with my mine as well.
lasexzchika 10 months ago
Greydon i heard you for the first time 3 days ago and i cannot stop listening to your music. It is absolutley amazing. Me and my wife love your shit brother and im about to buy all your cd's so you can continue to make great music.
justinmack109 11 months ago
Much love bro. Human rights and logic for life.
Bob1agis 11 months ago
I really believe that there is sumthiing on this earth that feeds off of our confusion, frustations, differences, beliefs, and it tends to manipulate us into dividing from one anotha instead of uniting together. Science is fine to believe in as well as any otha religion, if at the end of the day you are at peace. As long as you are not in a religion where its teaching you to kill rape and steal, then i say gud luck to you. cant we jus kill the barriers and understand were all in this together???
lasexzchika 11 months ago
@lasexzchika If all Muslims (they don't believe Jesus is their savior) died right now, still believing in Muhammad as the final prophet, would they go to hell? If all Jews died right now, still believing that Jesus was just a normal man who was not the son of God, would they go to hell? If all Jains died right now, still believing that all life is sacred, including the lives of cows, rats, bacteria, and pigs, and not accepting Jesus as their savior, would they go to hell? The Bible says yes.
RyanTheIncredulous 11 months ago
@RyanTheIncredulous If you really want to know that answer, pray to God and wait for his answer. I am not him, jus an imperfect woman. That is all. I hate that there are so many unanswered questions and it would be so easy if God would just show himself to us, but unfortunately he made life the way it is. So deal with it. Take your questions, your disbelief, your confusion, or even your hate that you hold in your heart to God, and allow, ALLOW being the key word , him to heal you. if u want to.
lasexzchika 10 months ago
@lasexzchika So, you admit that you can't rely on the contents of the Bible, since I can't go with what it says re whether they'll go to hell. As far as you saying you're "just an imperfect woman" compared to God, you shouldn't think that way. God as described in the Bible is far from perfect, in fact he's a pig. I don't actually know why you suppose that I need to be healed in some way. Given that you're the one who worships a god who's a racist mass-murderer, perhaps you need some healing.
RyanTheIncredulous 10 months ago
@CroiBriste And as a christian believer i find happiness in my faith in God. True, you cant see him and sumtimes wen you step away from him, you cant hear him ither. However, wen you are hurting and trully need him or want him, he is wit you. THis prolly sounds like nonsense to a nonbeliever, but this is from my own experience. ANd i wasnt raised in a church or with this belief. I found GOd thru living my life. And wen i found him, i found happiness. So, wat are you talking about???
lasexzchika 11 months ago
They quiver at the thought that they really are powerless individuals that honestly have shit in control. Honey, ppl arent creating themselves or purposely taking their lives, wen they feel theyre ready. Yeah suicidal ppl take their own lives, but majority of ppl die not by their own choice....You say religion is digusting and anti- life. How is it anti-life wen Christainity speaks of wisdom to live life. Speaks of how we even got here and then predicted what we were to be experiencing now.
lasexzchika 11 months ago
@lasexzchika Anti-life? Here's why, to name a few. In the Bible God puts his own son to death. Sends mankind out into misery. Makes Abraham try to take his own son's life. Kills THOUSANDS of people himself. Turns Lot's wife into salt. Condemns homosexuals and children to death. Introduces every lasting torture in the New Testament. etc. It is not metaphor. The afterlife is a joke. It is a reward for being an unthinking, uncompassionate fascist. Your religion is disgusting.
CroiBriste 11 months ago
@CroiBriste You honestly think i wud waste my time idolizing sum mademan crap like science. Either its a fact or its not my ass. Science is all about trial and error. There is no automatic truth to anything. Laws and facts have to be found and even then its ever changing. THere are theories that changed depending on the decade. its all a matter of time and what new evidence they find that overwrites a previous theory. Science is a method, its nothing to put your hope nd faith in.
lasexzchika 11 months ago
@CroiBriste You are contradicting yourself. IF you say you see no evidence in God so you dont believe then everything you stated in your second paragraph is all for nothing. If theres no evidence then why are you speaking about what he has done so wrongly and ppl he killed. Ither he exist and has done sumthing, or he does not exists and does nothing. There is no in between. Unmeek and blind, take your lil science, worship it, sleep wit it, or take wateva pleasure it gives u nd hav a nice day.
lasexzchika 11 months ago
@lasexzchika It's obvious you don't have a real grasp of science. So I won't waste my time because I get the feeling you won't listen. But, do you realise how stupid it is to say that you can't analyse something just because it didn't happen? What about stories, movies, fiction etc What God does and says is evil, whether he exists or not. He is setting an example for Christians. That is why I care. Because Christian dogma is evil and there are people who wish to impose it on others.
CroiBriste 11 months ago
@CroiBriste you kno im sorry you feel the way you do about Christainity. ppl are the ones that make religions look as bad or as good as they do cuz we tend to focus on the ppl and their actions that are behind the religion and not the religion itself. Honestly, i am not too jazzed about religions, sumtimes its hard to believe wrds coming from imperfect individuals. But hey, you can choose to follow sumthing or you dnt have to. ITs all your choice sir. So, just do you and be happy.
lasexzchika 11 months ago
As an atheist who believes in science answer me this - Why did you wake up this morning or even continue on thru out the day? What is your driving force in your life that keeps you from tsking ur life- what is your purpose in life? While on that subject, why were we put here and why do we die? whats the point? Sum babies only live for a day then die, why? Tell me, better yet, go ask science to explain it to you and while you wait for an answer, try not to hold your breath.
lasexzchika 1 year ago
Honestly at the end of the day, it really doesnt matter whether you believe or not. The truth will still exist....What has science done for us? Nothing, it gets zero credit, ppl have don for us, not a method. Ppl. Science does not keep your body from droppin dead, nor did science create you or kill those who have passed. Science is only a tool of understanding, jus as religion is a tool of living, philosophy, and psychology and so forth. Tools that exist only cuz we allow them to.
lasexzchika 1 year ago
@lasexzchika 'What has science done for us? Nothing'
Can you really sit there with a straight face and say that? While you're typing it into a machine connected to a system that were both created by science? Sure, science is a method and not a thinking 'thing'. But it's the honesty of the people employing it that make science so important. It seeks the truth. Religion is not a system for living or truth seeking. It's a disgusting philosophy that is ultimately anti-life and anti-happiness.
CroiBriste 11 months ago
@CroiBriste This machine was created by people, people who created the idea of science. Honestly, all these debates are pointless. You believe what you want to. At the end of the day, the truth will exist regardless..... Sum ppl feel the need to be in control of evrything. They dnt want otha ppl , a simple religion, a book, a bible,or anythng tellin them wat is right and wrong. They are stubborn and ignorant ppl who walk this earth blindly under the impression that theyre their own Gods....
lasexzchika 11 months ago
@lasexzchika 'these debates are pointless' Then why are you bothering? No real arguments? You do not 'believe what you want to' in science. Something is either a fact or it is not. God exists or he does not. It's not because I 'dnt want otha ppl' telling me what to do. I see no evidence for God so I don't believe. This applies to anything: fairies, imps, unicorns, etc. My ass you found god through living your life. You inherited that religion from your peers. It's the same with all religions.
CroiBriste 11 months ago
i do not kno of your age however it is a fact that you are not centuries old, so how is it that you can deny the truth that is written down on the original scrolls and papers by men choosen to tell of God's message. Jus becuz you are not certain does not make biblical events false. Maybe, these bibles that we have now are misprinted and the truth have been edited or deleted sum time ago. One thing that is true to science as it is of religion is that the truth will be regardless of your belief...
lasexzchika 1 year ago
I am a believer of christainity yet in no way am i offended cuz as youve recognized that you hav the freedom of choice.Actually you are right about choosing to believe. Yes that is my choice jus as yours is to believe in science.You speak of theories and you believe in science, however,science was discovered by men. Science does not exist on its on jus as religion doesnt. Both are flawed and stained with the touch of man. You speak of facts, but what have seen that was proven to you by science..
lasexzchika 1 year ago
regarding arrogance i think giving the accomplishments of science they (scientists) have earned a right to be arrogant.
pistolpete667 1 year ago
Hey, I'm a wikipedian, in the past I did writing for the Kardashev Scale, which is how I found your music. I'm not really into rap, but I really like your authenticity (fakeness happens to be a major barrier for me liking most commercial rap artists). I've watched your video blogs and really like them, if your thinking about doing more I'd be very pleased to hear it. Please make more vid blogs :)
Sparkygravity 1 year ago
Dawg, respect your music, but damn, you are serious about what you are doing. You really spend alot of time disproving religion as religious people is finding God, damn. I live life, I know that God is out there, but idk.
StraightouttaHouston 1 year ago
Gravity is also considered a "theory" so when Creationists say that evolution is only a "theory" trying to back up their argument, they obviously don't understand what the word means in the scientific context.
03Beckie 1 year ago
hey man i htink sometimes scientist can be arrogant to the fact they they think they know when scientist get proven wrong with time all the time. i think sometimes scientist like to say they know when they should say I dont know more often. its okay to not know. things. and religion is always that way. idk if theres a god or gods. were on a flying rock floating threw space who knows man. but to say u know is just silly. theres so many stoires and ideas.
The850Hinnant 1 year ago
hey man thanks for doing all that you do man i really like your music and the fact thatu bring up topics like this! keep doing what you are doing.!
The850Hinnant 1 year ago
keep it up
CaptianHot 1 year ago
@shinytooth23
Why is it that religious people get so offended when others try to scrutinize their bizarre behaviour and systems of worship? (eg: visiting a big building each Sunday with other people to talk about, and to, a shared imaginary friend).
Comparing belief in the usefulness of the scientific method to belief in a god is like comparing a computer with believing in ghost zombies. They're just incomparable, one is based on evidence and logic, the other is based on pure imagination.
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Religion is nothing more then the commands of other human beings.
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porscheghcje 1 year ago
Why are you so judgmental of those who have faith in a different belief - whether it be science, religion or anything else - when you obviously have strong beliefs yourself? Atheism requires a 'faith' in the disbelief of God. How do you know the stars are countless if man is as insignificant as your perspective says they are? Aren't you just another man with as limited a perspective as everyone else?
shinytooth23 1 year ago
Respond to this video... old fashioned human arrogance.theist and atheist preaching of negative non constructive ideas. burning of qurran,ripe a page of the bible.its only material.hatred is in their hearts. anger and fear is the outcome.sad to say but focuse on debating and you will see the ugly truth.where is the love?
MrPATSPAWN 1 year ago
Even those experts that have been in the field for 15-25 years have their theories looked at with the same skepticism as a newbie's theory. That's how science works, it is by far the most accurate method to gain understanding. But I get what you are saying. Also to note theorem is a mathematical term Theory is the closest word to explain the truth of something that is not set in stone. Things that are unchangeable are called Laws. Theory=fact Hypothesis=The version of theory believers use.
agronoxdt 1 year ago
"If Man's at the top of the food chain, then what about flesh eating bacteria?"
Love this quote
GamepitDAngelo 1 year ago
Greydon, I just discovered you and your music through a Facebook friend. I'm not a fan of Hiphop and Rap in general, but I like your music and message. I am very thankful for artists like yourself for reaching younger minds. On the subject of arrogance of Science and Religion - arrogance can be easily confused with confidence. I think the difference is willingness to change ones view in light of new data, which is precisely the difference between religion and science.
dsessom 1 year ago
The arrogance of science comes from a position of knowledge, whereas the arrogance of religion comes from belief.
Great topic!
From a non-rapping old white dude:
The mistake theists make is they equate belief with knowledge.
No matter how strong it is, belief DOES NOT EQUAL knowledge.
psycotria 1 year ago
I like how you present "food for thought" towards individuals whom think these exact questions on a daily basis. Also, how your willing to review the perspectives of your peers to compare and contrast ideas with that of your own to come to an individual conclusion of certain things...That's very noble!
With that being said, I don't believe this 500 char. limit will be enough for me to respond effectively to the simple, yet complex questions and concepts you posed on your vlog. Let's see...
mrsezori 1 year ago
if you dont anser my question your just as closed minded and arrogant as religious ppl,ppl have questions,i have questions,from what i see in the comments you only reply to ppl that agree with you,im saying i disagree i just want to know what you hope to achieve by spreading the word that religion is a lie? Im not religious,i dont know,none of us do,we cant say anything for a certainty really.
DaAlphaOmega 1 year ago
@DaAlphaOmega check your main youtube, page, i answered your question yesterday.
greydonsquare 1 year ago 17
@greydonsquare sorry bro i dont see it,but i saw an interview where you said you want a world with critical thinking,so i guess i answered my own question. :)
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This reminds me of Storm by Tim Minchin. If you watch the video on youtube ... to which I cannot link for some odd reason, it ends with this "isn't the natural world as complex and beautiful as it is enough for us" and I think that is a good point of view reducing the arrogance on both sides. As a scientist it makes you realize how little we really know about our environment and it challenges the need for blind belief in magic/miracles/the divine.
mjferroni 7 months ago
@DaAlphaOmega If your religion is not a lie, tell me then, why did the god of the Israelites entice them to slaughter the innocent children of the Amalekites?
Read 1 Samuel 15:3.
If you subscribe to Islam, explain the sex verses in Quran 78:31-33.
Thank you.
PeterKuriakose 1 year ago
@DaAlphaOmega religion is a lie and a fraud. Its rational thinking
jrda128 1 year ago
Bro your an amazing rapper,you spit mad knowledge,but what is your ultimate goal,what are you hoping to achieve? Im just curious. :)
DaAlphaOmega 1 year ago
all people please search thioouba prophecy and see what you make of it.you'll learn a few things that'll make you think O_o
ODAL123 1 year ago
as for religion,look at the vatican.spending money on expensive travel when that money could be used to help the poor. religious leaders,billionaires? religion can never help people because it doesnt allow people to be free thinkers.time for everyone to start opening their minds.anyways,just my views on it.cheers
ODAL123 1 year ago
nowadays science and religion are both used to dumb down people by the powers that be.the so called scientists only let us know what we need to know and nothing that can help us.science is used to create diseases and kill.religion is used to brainwash people and control the people with fear.if we're technologically advanced but not spiritually,then it can be the end of the world, like the present situation right now.stuff like nuclear bombs.its scary.
ODAL123 1 year ago
continued.the god people talk about cant be true.its people living in fear of god which is ridiculous.id rather call it the creator.the creator has taken your form and all living that exists in order to have spiritual experiences so that it can learn lessons for itself.religion is a danger to this earth.also,the science we know here on earth is all we know.yet there is much more and i can see in the future how science and spirituality can be related to each other one day.
ODAL123 1 year ago
wussup greydon i like your tracks very much. when i was young, i'd go with the flow,looking at what others do and pray to god and whatnot.then as time went by i started asking questions which led me to believe there was really no god to oversee us and judge us according to our deeds. i still dont,however i see things in a spiritual manner now. we're all just spiritual beings.and the creator is a great scientist to me.i dont view the creator as god,i believe we are a part of the creator.
ODAL123 1 year ago
I agree with you perspective on religion arrogance, i just can't stand how they believe everything is here for us, just for us, we are so damn important to god, it actually makes me sick how much they need to feel important that they need to believe there is an immortal all powerful being that loves every single one human infinitely
TenkuNoWind 1 year ago 3
@TenkuNoWind yea man, it has to do with insecurity in a cruel unforgiving world. Its sad really, all the energy and devotion to god can go to our planet and fixing it and bettering the human condition.
greydonsquare 1 year ago 12
@TenkuNoWind Lol I can't wait for the day some race of super-advanced Aliens comes to Earth and imposes their religion on us, then maybe Theists will begin to see things from our perspective. Or even better-- the Aliens are atheists!
radafat 1 year ago
You know your stuff
I do not think that man is superior to animals. I think we are no different from animals. we are mammals are we not. put a man in a cage with a lion and see witch is superior. as for Religion. We are all born atheist. Where did you learn about Religion and spirituality unlass you pict it up externally.
cybergeek100 1 year ago
science gave us things like the internet and long distance communication. Tell me when Religion can put an END to how sex affects our thoughts in an easy simplistic way (I mean God made an on switch surely he can make on off switch through his religion right?) then when he gives us telepathy and flight... THEN I'll give a fuck.
I mean God as it stands is unbelievable because the belief in God in and of itself has NOT provided us with ANY technological advances at all. So Science wins /arguments
makaisenki 1 year ago
You, sir, ARE a scientist. It's the DEGREE that is coming, or more training, but you reason as a scientist, hence you are one
rodinalex 1 year ago
Check out Lecrae, good stuff bro
Lucasgandy 1 year ago
atheist arrogance is totally justified!
We appear arrogant because "we know". but we use logic, evidence and reasoning; our arrogance comes from knowledge. You can't argue with someone's imagination, it will find a loophole....thats why religion is contradictory...so you can argue for religion NO MATTER WHAT! .
I think our arrogance is a defense mechanism to stop us from beating our heads against the wall!
LOGICismyreligion 1 year ago
2 points.
You should replace the word "Religion" with "Christianity", as that is what you are actually referring to.
And can you explain what "Religion" actually is?
And why it is necessarily "arrogant", rather than
just giving your personal experience, or understanding of the term?
peace.
trek3023 1 year ago
@trek3023 Most Religions are different, and Christianity is only the more prevalent one here. "Religion" fits.
SulliverVittles 1 year ago
Religions may appear different, but the essence, and the aim of religion is the same.
What is being refered to here is not [the] religion, but someones idea/personal experience of religion.
peace.
trek3023 1 year ago
@trek3023 religion is the believe in something greater than man.... would probably be the most cummon understanding of the term "religion"
tagerdinmoedom 1 year ago
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anoelst 1 year ago
Having said that,what I believe to be truly wrong is childhood indoctrination, brainwashing and denying knowledge for children.This way people grow up having already made up their minds before their minds have even developed. I think as children we should not be told one way to be true and all others false, but to encourage free thinking and making our own informed decisions. Now if as an adult they wish to embrace religion then who am I to argue with that?
ashman102 2 years ago
another epic win for greydon.
jpinsonjr 2 years ago
May your words reach all slaves descendants and beyond.
tallard666 2 years ago 18
To sum things up, religions tend to be arrogant (Christianism certainly is). Science is NOT.
Scientists can be arrogant. Sure. Too bad. But the system they follow (or try to) is not.
lardhat 2 years ago 23
@lardhat Interesting, It can also be said the same that Christians can be arrogant but by definition, Christianity a belief system can not be.
Bizzar0Stamos 11 months ago
@Bizzar0Stamos Belief that a God created everything for you and sent a son (or himself) to die for your sins and salvation being gained only through that religion....Christianity isn't what?
HybridD91 9 months ago
@HybridD91 I'm not familiar with those tenants of the Christian belief.
Bizzar0Stamos 9 months ago
I like him, hes very smart and quite attractive as well.
he makes my heart bubble a bit.
Paradoxical003 2 years ago
Great vid!
mskrissygurl 2 years ago
this was great. 5 secular stars
EndTheAfter 2 years ago
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xtrashed 2 years ago
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xtrashed 2 years ago
Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. It could not be that Jesus is the only Truth, and other religions also be the truth.
reasonablefaith . org
xtrashed 2 years ago
@xtrashed Everything you said is absolute bullshit and has been refuted countless times by countless people. Your bible was written by men, none of them even close to first hand accounts, God doesn't need a creator, blah blah. The universe isn't even closely "tuned" to life, much less than 1% is habitable. Arguments from authority and quote mining, you fail.
Percadan 2 years ago
Whether you go to Christian scholars or non-Christian scholars they agree that the Gospels, the genre of the Gospels, are are 1st century Greco-Roman Biographies. These are people that sat down and wrote about the life of Jesus. I recommend a book that goes through the evidence for the 500 eyewitness that saw Jesus' Resurrection, the book is called 'Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness testimony,' by Richard Bauckham (he is a New Testament scholar).
xtrashed 2 years ago
On your question, about God not needing a creator. This is true. Nothing brought him into existence. He has always existed. He is the uncaused cause. Think about it. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes. Its like having an infinite line of dominos falling one after another. If you go back infinitely in time to try and find the first domino that started it all, youd never find it because youd have to cross an infinite amount of time to get to it which is impossible to do.
xtrashed 2 years ago
This would also mean that there you cant have an infinite regression of causes. Furthermore, this would mean there would never be a first cause. If there is no first cause, then there cant be a second, or a third, and so on and you wouldnt have any of them falling at all. But since they are falling, there had to be a first cause, that itself was uncaused that started the whole thing moving at a specific time in the past.
xtrashed 2 years ago
So too with the universe. It was caused to exist at a specific point in time. The uncaused cause is God, who decided to create the universe and who, as the Bible says in Psalm 90:2, is from everlasting to everlasting.
xtrashed 2 years ago
what evidence did the writer of this psalm have to make this statement? other than wishful thinking?
EndTheAfter 2 years ago
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Psalm 90:2 explains the fact that God existed in eternity long before the mountains and the Earth came into existence. The proof is that all things in this universe are too good, beautiful, organized, and complex to have been made by accident. They were designed by an all powerful and all knowing intellectual being that we call "God." This God cannot be seen for he is too vast, infinite, beautiful, and perfect to be in our field of vision.
xtrashed 2 years ago
Psalm 90:2 explains the fact that God existed in eternity long before the mountains and the Earth came into existence. The proof is that all things in this universe are too good, beautiful, organized, and complex to have been made by accident. They were designed by an all powerful and all knowing intellectual being that we call "God." This God cannot be seen for he is too vast, infinite, beautiful, and perfect to be in our field of vision.
xtrashed 2 years ago
@xtrashed aw shit man, you got me :) good work ha
EndTheAfter 2 years ago
@EndTheAfter
Excuse me?
xtrashed 2 years ago
"The proof is that all things in this universe are too good, beautiful, organized, and complex to have been made by accident"
i can list page after page of suffering horrors and flaws in on this planet alone so by your logic i have just disproven god
you have no proof
you have no argument
Dreamerx47 2 years ago
@Dreamerx47
That wasn't supposed to be an argument.
If God is all good and the governor of the Universe, why is there is so much disorder in the world? Here is how Thomas Aquinas put it; if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be destroyed, if there is infinite heat there would be no cold, but God is described as infinite good. Okay, then how come there is evil? Wouldn't the infinite good destroy evil?
xtrashed 2 years ago
@Dreamerx47
Here is how John Stewart Mill put it, many centuries after Aquinas; if there is evil God cannot be simultaneously all knowing, all loving and all powerful. If he's knowing he'd know about it, right, if he was all-loving he'd want to do something about, if he was all powerful he could do something about it. Therefore, there wouldn't be any evil. If there's evil there still could be a God, but we have to give up on his omniscience or on his omnipotence or his omnibenevolence
xtrashed 2 years ago
@Dreamerx47
That too is a very good argument. I would say that most people who struggle with evil and suffering, wouldn't be able to articulate it like that philosophically, but they feel it, they feel the truth of that. That the goodness of God seems to be opposed to the evil in the World. So how do we get at it. In some ways, theology is meant to respond to that question.
xtrashed 2 years ago
Here is just one way at it. Thomas Aquinas typically describes God, and he's using the Bible here, describes God as an artist. What's his canvas, all of space and all of time. We see a tiny corner of God's canvas, but he is using all of space and all of time, the whole of creation. What is he making? Something beautiful. Now beautiful paintings, beautiful sculptures, beautiful novels, beautiful films, typically need a play of dark and light,
xtrashed 2 years ago
It typically needs rhythm of dark and light that makes the play or the novel or the painting, powerful. The play of shadow and illumination.
xtrashed 2 years ago
So Aquinas says, God permits evil, and there's the key thing, God does not cause evil. Because evil is not a thing, rather it's a lack, it's a privation of being, says Aquinas. When you have a toothache, it means there is something missing, lacking from the health of the tooth. Someone who is blind, there is something missing in their ocular apparatus.
xtrashed 2 years ago
So all evil has that form, therefore God does not cause evil, but permits it, why, to bring out a greater good. So as to produce, in a way we can't see clearly, a more beautiful canvas, a more beautiful picture, a more beautiful novel.
xtrashed 2 years ago
In fact it's Dante that compares all of creation to a great book. At the end of time when we are in heaven looking into the face of God, we will see all of creation like a great book, it will make coherent sense, but in the course of this life what will we see, maybe one part of one paragraph. That's why the Book of Job, in the Old Testament is so important. Job has suffered more than anyone has ever suffered, right, he loses his wife, his kids, his livestock, everything.
xtrashed 2 years ago
But he knows he's righteous, he knows he doesn't deserve this suffering and so he complains to God, he cries out to God, the way an awful lot of people have done over the ages and many still do today.
xtrashed 2 years ago
God answers him by taking him on a tour of the cosmos, he takes Job up out of himself, and takes him for an elaborate tour of the cosmos, and he asks over and over again, Job where where you when I laid the foundations of the world, where where you when I arranged the planets and the stars, where where you when I told the sun where to rise and so on, the point he is bringing Job into an ever wider horizon, so Job might see his own suffering in a wider cosmic context.
xtrashed 2 years ago
That's typically how the Church has tried to explain suffering.
That is written by Father Barron on here. I would say there is no single reason for why God permits suffering in the World, rather there is a multitude of reasons that are in play here. I could go into this further if you like.
xtrashed 2 years ago
On Fine Tuning, There are a significant number of well attested scientific laws, which in their mathematical form have dimensionless constants which are not dependent on any other scientific law. In other words, these constants are just a "given", they are simply a part of the initial conditions of the universe. As such, they currently have no definitive naturalistic explanation for why they are the values that they are.
xtrashed 2 years ago
"Why not?" is the answer. If you follow the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, those values were guaranteed to happen an infinite number of times.
zantrua 2 years ago
The multiverse theory is increasingly popular, but it doesn't so much explain the laws of physics as dodge the whole issue. There has to be a physical mechanism to make all those universes and bestow bylaws on them. This process will require its own laws, or meta-laws. Where do they come from? The problem has simply been shifted up a level from the laws of the universe to the meta-laws of the multiverse.
xtrashed 2 years ago
well, thats where m-brane theory comes in.
zantrua 2 years ago
what you said is basicly "if things were different, then things would be different" which is a flaw. if sentient life existed in any given universe, it could state "if things were different, i might not be able to exist", but in all such universes where life could not exist, there would be no one to posit that statement.
the anthropic principle is a stupid idea.
zantrua 2 years ago
What's really involved here is a form of "Anything but God" thinking. A good many people are prepared to believe in any eternal thing with arbitrary abilities, as long as that thing is not God.
xtrashed 2 years ago
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The Big Bang, Multiverses, and the Anthropic Principle - Part 1:
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xtrashed 2 years ago
You should read what Dr Craig has to say about the Multiverse theory here:
reasonablefaith . org / site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5741
xtrashed 2 years ago
It turns out by varying these constants the interaction between the various scientific laws changes dramatically, so dramatically in fact, that if some of these constants are altered by an unbelievably tiny amount, carbon based life would not be able to exist in the universe.
xtrashed 2 years ago
and if we were plasma based life, you would ask the same question.
zantrua 2 years ago
I don't understand?!
xtrashed 2 years ago
Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths. Only in Christianity are there accurately fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels), so we can trust what was originally written.
xtrashed 2 years ago
also, the mormons are christian, or at least believe in the divinity of jesus
zantrua 2 years ago
Look at the emphasis on peace and forgiveness and reconciliation on acceptance while not accepting sin. These specific attributes should call out or have a ring of truth to anyone honestly seeking the Truth. No other religion can make the claim that their God loved us so much He sacrificed Himself for us.
The interior logic and yes the interior life make a compelling case for Christianity, but it's not an easy message because it means giving up your selfish self too--or at least trying too
xtrashed 2 years ago
What strengthens my faith is an argument from content. All religions are not the same. If you esteem love, if you think love is the highest calling of Man, then Christianity is the only religion that specifically espouses sacrificial love: The Passion and the calling of Christ to His followers.
xtrashed 2 years ago
God, by definition, is not an object in the world, since he's the creator of the world. If I could "experiment" on God, it wouldn't be God that I'm experimenting on! You have to allow for types of knowing outside of the narrow framework of the empirical sciences.
xtrashed 2 years ago
so, we have the real world, then outside of that, we have knowledge about fairy-land, the gumdrop forest, and the kingdom of middle earth
zantrua 2 years ago
A creator is required because of the radical contingency of the world, proved definitively by the big bang. That which does not contain within itself the reason for its existence requires finally that which does exist through itself. And a fluctuating vacuum, by the very fact of its fluctuation, is in need of an explanation!
God's existence can be proven through a metaphysical reflection on the radical contingency of the world (best proven, by the way, by the Big Bang).
xtrashed 2 years ago
where did god come from? if he has always existed, then skip a step and say the universe has always existed, and if he has not always existed, then he must have been "created" by your logic, and thus would have had to had a creator who always existed or was created...
zantrua 2 years ago
What scientists have discovered about the universe in recent decades is that the universe is very finely tuned to support life.
If a person looks at the scientific evidence objectively, the past half century or so it's become much stronger pointing towards the conclusion that something outside of our universe is needed to explain what we find in our universe.
xtrashed 2 years ago
that assumes that life could only exist in our universe. in all universes in which sentient life could exist, someone like you would argue that the universe was finely tuned.
zantrua 2 years ago
A fairly high statistic of non-belief in scientists does not mean there is a diminished need for religion or the belief in God. If there was scientific evidence against it, then number of scientists who believe in God would be close to zero.
There are plenty of scientific reasons to think that the elegant machinery that has been discovered in life could not have arisen by some chance process.
xtrashed 2 years ago
no, unfortunately, the system of evolution explains everything, this is another one of your statements that assume that life must be like us to exist.
zantrua 2 years ago
Take a look at the work of Teilhard de Chardin, John Polkinghorne, Arthur Peacocke, Stanley Jaki, Ian Barbour and many, many others in order to see how religion and science can come together non-competitively in a contemporary context.
xtrashed 2 years ago
so, we know how rainbows are formed, but then add a magic rainbow painting leprechaun to the mix because its in someones religion?
zantrua 2 years ago
Newton, Kepler, Descartes, Pascal, Tycho Brache, Copernicus--in short all of the founders of modern science--were devoutly religious. And the discoverer of the Big Bang was a priest. Even Einstein declared himself "a proundly religious man." The myth of the incompatibility of science and religion is not only stupid but dangerous.
xtrashed 2 years ago
and yet, their belief in god had noting to do with their science, stop trying to appeal to authority. science is based on reality and evidence, religion is based on fables of bronze age goat herders.
zantrua 2 years ago
You make a great error when you try to divide the two: religion v science and vice versus. There is no either or.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Einstein.
The basis of science is the fundamental intelligibility of being. Where does that come from, pray tell? How do you explain the fact that every corner of existence is imbued with reason? The physical sciences emerged precisely from a Christian intellectual milieu, and that is not accidental.
xtrashed 2 years ago
the ideas of science came from the enlightenment, which was caused by the re discovery of the greco-roman ideas, which were up until that point worked on by arabs.
zantrua 2 years ago
5 stars, awesome vid.
ZabuzaMomochiPro 2 years ago
theres no Arrogance in Science damn fool
FIGHTFANNERD3 2 years ago
something tells me that it was a religious person who came up with scientists are arrogant. most likely, they don't understand science and deem it hard, so it's easier to say it's arrogant. i mean look at the difference, science vs a man in the sky did it. the latter is so much easier to say and comprehend. it's much easier to believe a children's-type story than learn biology, physics, athropology, etc.... so, i'm not buying the whole scientists are arrogant thing, it's just a distraction
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
shut up. its not science that is arrogent, how can it be? science is simply a mode of thought, a system of unbiased measurement that is used by sometimes biased humans that use it. he is refering to those people. science is great but a lot of the funding for experimentation is decided upon and dished out by sometimes closed minded individuals who have their own agendas and/or those who see science as a thing that should never bend or be flexible in any way. just as bad as religion in that sence.
L1NK666XL1NK666 2 years ago
shut up. you're right it's you who are arrogant
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
@NotTooObvious yes i am.. yes i am.
L1NK666XL1NK666 2 years ago
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Leviticus 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
hello fellow atheist. you rock.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 2 years ago
Nice to meet you; I like your intellectual honesty and courage to stand for your opinions, I like your music.
auriciangelescu 2 years ago
The Technocratic Dictatorship. A reality that we all should be aware of. The common denominator between Religious and Scientific arrogance is the human tendency towards elitism. Both these patriarchies will keep info for themselves in order to have power of the "profane/fish"
Scientific Priests of the old dogmas (Darwinism) are just as resistant to debate as Fundies are.The original priests were astronomer/astrologers that could predict an eclipse; thus giving them godhood.
Yes I'm an atheist.
3rdEYEbeHolder 2 years ago
couldnt have put it better myself
L1NK666XL1NK666 2 years ago
I think with the scientific community a lot of it has to do with the work that was needed to prove their theories. Where as in the theist com unity all they have to do is believe what was written. In that sense the scientist deserves to have that arrogance more because they did the work for that belief. They did not just accept a book that was given to them which was written by someone else. That's where I think the arrogance stands from. <3
MistressArte 2 years ago
Point(s) made. This is why when a non theist (i don't like the term atheist either), or agnostic begins to talk to a theist of any kind they will admit to really being an agnostic theist.
antoinelamond 2 years ago
you speak the truth...so you can speak on my behalf too.
HatcherZone 2 years ago
Awesome video man, you seem really well educated.
shirtrippah 2 years ago 2
Well, he is a physics major. =D
Makonu2 2 years ago 2
Great video!
55ella2007k 2 years ago 2
NIGGA PLEAZE!!!
26theeradicator 2 years ago
I think the arrogance lies in science or faith being applied blindly and wrecklessly. There has to be an unqestioning stubborn ignorance or warpped ambition behind them that gives them that arrogance.
Very important subject to bring forward and thanks for making the video.
rexcat 2 years ago
I wouldn't call it arrogance in science when it is based on factual evidence. It is simply the assertion of what (to the best of our knowledge) what is valid from empirical and logical reasoning.
Dogmatism however is problematic in all walks of life, and is the product of a closed mind, one that has found an answer it agrees with and refuses to let it go regardless of what is presented later.
Good video! You've gained a new subscriber!!
OriMeissa 2 years ago 2
Damn! My reply to this video sucked!
I think you nailed it when you mentioned dogmatism.
rexcat 2 years ago
Beyond his album, every interview and thing I've seen him do...He's gotta be one of the best spoken smartest people I've heard. I first heard of him on SGU and have been impressed the more I hear. And Dangaver he's not defending gun control. He's actively saying it takes something beyond guns (i.e. something conscious) to have the capability of killing anyone. Pro/con gun control he doesn't get into. I'm looking forward to future posts Greydon, KEEP IT UP!!!
bigmike12354 2 years ago
good job Greydon! you have a great argument and i love your music. the only question i have is if guns kill people can i blame misspelled words on my pencil?
dangaver 2 years ago