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  • ok now here

    1:20 open mind little bit

    2:02 little mind people blah blah blah about religion. now you are still begging them to educate you and others about one religion?

    that's where I'm stuck right there!

  • 1:20 mind open a little bit. ok fine!

    2: 25 - 3:06 hmmm?? we gotta to learn how we can approch to "audist" religion involve politics too? if I stalk you again today, pls do forgive me. i will understand if you want me to shut up! then I will respect you dear!

  • Hi, I do understand what you were trying to bring this up. I do support the idea what you said it all because I have hearing parents. Unfortunately, there is something that I don't like to see one certain thing; it still exists in the Deaf community. It's hard for me to say something this because I know it will bring more drama - but we have to face the truth, no matter how much we don't like or like. I still see that Deaf are fighting against Deaf, rather than fighting against the majority.

  • @ASLeslie I'm with you on this Leslie, I sincerely do. I feel for Ella and Dawn and my point here is to have a *real* dialogue--not fighting--within the Deaf community. There are people out there like me who are nonconformists and vunerable when it comes to their DH journey and learning more about themselves and re-define their identity as Deaf persons. It caused lot of misunderstandings here. Will follow up with a vlog to wrap up and move on.

  • @ASLeslie Speak the truth, truth will set you free. Truly. Drama is not yours, it is others to deal with.

  • such RICH dialogue within our community and I thank to each of you! You've taught me so much and I appreciate all of you. Thank you. ~Mikey

  • Okay commenters, I wanted to take the time to say thank you for giving me an "eye-opening experience" as a Deaf man who is on his Deafhood journey. Yes the roads are bumpy at this moment, for each bump, a lesson comes to him and continue to educate him. I wanted to emphasize that I *adore* Ella and Dawn. I know intuitively that they will work well together. It is matter of WHEN. I will print out all the comments and turn off the comments by end of the week, we have brought (con't)

  • @mkrajnak just arrived lovely SF! I appreciate your comment. That's the Mikey I know - sensitive, caring, wise and one who stands by principles. I ll keep eye out for your next vlog.

  • Mikey - I love ya. im pretty confused by ur vlog. seems to have some contradictions. Dawn called Ella an Old Elephant. Dawn made a private discussion public. Dawn has not owned up to her actions and character assassination of Ella and you praise it as independent thinking while saying you refuse to take a stand. Hmmm. u r standing buddy. u r. U question Ella's purpose in responding publicly to Dawn's public attack by making this issue more public with ur vlog hmmmm?

  • @pdurr U refer to folks as "little minded people" and you label urselves "independent thinkers" and you ask "what kind of leader is that that does such things" when u all r doing those very things. name calling, labeling folks, being overly critical and harsh and judgmental, making private things public, etc. Its just very glaringly projection it hurts my eyes to watch. This is atypical of u. U usually are the soulful person who steers folks to examine self via examining YOURself first. ILYp

  • @pdurr (cont 3) in terms of "independent thinkers" pls dont fall into that labeling game folks. It is too close to ag bell's rhetoric of "independence via listening and talking" - clearly ella lets folks have their own mind and she should be allowed to speak her own mind and be challenged peacefully and lovingly accordingly - not called an old elephant and portrayed to be a fanatic when she is far from it. leaving the comments open allows folks to think and speak independently.

  • @pdurr Patti, thank you. Thank you. I will take back what I've said in this vlog. Name-calling isn't relevant here and you're right. I was aiming at those who are vindictive toward Ella and Dawn's issue. I will do a follow up to clarify some things after doing some self-analysis. I appreciate your candor here and again, I welcome all the feedbacks. Thank you, Patti!

  • @mkrajnak Thanks Mikey for taking my comments in the spirit i intended them and i also appreciate ur taking back the name calling. Vindictiveness does often beget more vindictiveness. I dont support anyone attacking Ella, Dawn, u me or anybody. Some day we will learn how to challenge with love. One heart at a time. We r all fallible and falter and need each others love, support, and truth. Thank you again. peace, patti

  • @pdurr Patti, how is it any different for you to be writing articles with name-calling (to a degree) to others, too? Just saying.

  • @trinitysite72 Heya T - i aint no saint but i aint never called noone an OLD ELEPHANT or any parent an AUDIST. DEGREE does matter. Now when ya all thought ella was so horrible to ask someone a few questions in a blunt and sassy tone - why is it none of u complained when Dawn treated Ella so disrspectfully - to a GREATER degree than Ella done to the dad? Just saying ; )  psst Dawn wants this to stop so email me if u have questions. it is now a private matter im told Peace & Love patti

  • @pdurr you need to be aware that even closed door meeting will be revealed to public as results. the destruction or breakdown in that meeting happened between the hearing parent and Ella. Dawn had the clear conscience to reveal that in public after being shunned out for trying to correct the situation. it was attack on the morale and well being on everyone in that meeting.

    I strongly believe that the meeting was never meant to be private.

  • @flyingace1918 flyingace - war rooms r not normally public - it had a set # of members to process and brainstorm and discuss etc if they wanted it to be a public - they could have opened an indiana blog site to discuss things like RSD had done a while back. it was clearly intended to hatch things out as a small group. The breakdown did not occur because Ella asked a few questions in a blunt tone. the breakdown happened when the 2 folks up & stormed out. we now in public - see?. peace, p

  • @pdurr stormed out? hearing father and marvin? or???

  • @DawnSchriver shaking my head in disbelief at what u said. For me it's principles above image. I'll be waiting for your contact.

  • @DawnSchriver so you agree with Mikey that you know to own up to your choices and actions and talk? Good. U got my email address. I'm still waiting for you to show me u can dialogue healthily in private AND in public.

  • @ASLElla It goes to both of us. We is the key word here. People are looking up to us. Let US bring them some sense of peace. I will be get in touch with you shortly.

  • @mkrajnak I got a feeling that critical thinking is more collective (as opposed to blindly following a leader which u and Dawn seem to accuse me and others of - I emphasize "seem to") than independent thinking which seems to emphasize individualism which is not conductive to minority group politics. What do u think?

  • @ASLElla I'm listening. I apologize if you feel I'm accusing you. I'm just questioning what your actions were at that time and your recent vlog. I will create a follow up vlog after doing self analysis. Patti brought up good points and you see, I'm *listening* with an open mind. There are many layers to this issue and I am pretty sure it could be resolved in matter of minutes when presented in ASL. I sincerely do look forward to you and Dawn's resolution and great things happen after that

  • @ASLElla I'm listening. I apologize if you feel I'm accusing you. I'm just questioning what your actions were at that time and your recent vlog. I will create a follow up vlog after doing self analysis. Patti brought up good points and you see, I'm *listening* with an open mind. There are many layers to this issue and I am pretty sure it could be resolved in matter of minutes when presented in ASL. I sincerely do look forward to you and Dawn's resolution and great things happen after that

  • @mkrajnak Critical thinking or examination is not scolding or criticiizng to deflate. It's not negative. It's thinking that takes into consideration various issues and ideas including ones own belief and passion. It's values in education. I think it's more constructive than independent thinking.

  • @mkrajnak I agree that "blasting" is too strong for what you did. I agree that the issue about Robin is irrevelant. That's why I don't understand why you scapegoated her as example of "distraction" under MY video. I know loyalty and independence are hard to reconcile so it's important to check in on one s core values and actions.

  • @ASLElla Irrelevant? Uhm, how about putting Dawn and Barry in the same box? Is that not irrelevant as well? pwned.

  • Why don't you take action and do something just what Ella does? You sit and gossip about others. You said you're so disappointed in Ella. That's bull. YOU are disappointed in YOURSELF because you never take action just like what Ella does. I am so sorry for you.

  • @jj3dartist See my comment I left for you Jay. I have my own stuff that I advocate for which is what I do. I do take action on other causes that hold dear to me. What Ella and Dawn do, I highly respect their work and appreciate their advocacy for the Deaf children.

  • @ASLElla there's no blasting here on Robin's participation (as you call it). I did this vlog in grace, not in anger.

  • I am sorry I must blunt to you, Mikey. You're actually HYPOCRITE. You know why? You talked about "Independent thinkers". Well I was in Deafcube and talk anything from my thinking mind and feeling expression. You sometime criticize me. You support the group of Deafcube for being independently thinking. You and your group does not allow us like myself, aslfreedom, carl, ella. You think of yourselves. You guys sound very jealous of Ella. Why can't you take action INSTEAD of rumoring

  • @jj3dartist Jay. Thank you for bringing this up. Independent Thinkers (aka me) heard you speak and I listen. I *listen* and unlike you, you cannot take criticism from anyone, I can. I accept criticism because I *own* it. There are other people who claim they are independent thinkers, which in my book, they're not. Maybe they just don't know it yet. I respect that. Jealousy of Ella? No no, I adore her and respect her work. Just questioning her action. That's all. Anything else?

  • These comments are interesting. It is either "FOR" or "AGAINST" issue. That is so irrelevant. We are thinking outside of the box and I'm already accused of having such critical thinking. Mmm... I'm starting to see it, some people cannot just own it. Cannot open to think independently. I'm sad but I know where I stand and I'll remain that way. Thanks.

  • @mkrajnak I like one of the quotes but i could not remember who's. Here is the quote, "Let each person be fully persuaded in their own mind." I love that quote. :-)

    take care & hugs

  • Ella, Ella, Ella, *shaking head* Can't you see that Mikey did this video because he cares about you, me and the entire community? That's all there to it. You just HAVE TO come and rebuke something that is coming straight from the heart. Mikey was very sincere about this. I even am willing to have the situation resolved as long as we are able to look at our situation with open minds and hearts. This is getting out of hand and is really ugly, I admit. Let's stop this and discuss. You and me

  • beautiful!!!! yes its between Ella & Dawn, not us---we stay out of it & do hope two will work it out

  • FYI, I checked a few people about disabling the comments to ensure they re not harmful towards the cause. It seems to be the consensus that since partial info was irresponsibly twisted and made public, might as well let the public be the judge. I put it in Gods hands cuz maybe it was meant to be in mysterious ways. Pray some good comes out of it somehow.

  • BTW you serious about blasting Robin for her comments TO me and not blasting Dawn for her unbelievably nasty belittling irresponsible talk towards Deaf activists and parents of Deaf children? For flaunting private discussion and twisting it BS style to make me evil while I did no such thing? U call it independent thinking? How about some CRITICAL thinking?

  • @ASLElla Robin has NO relevancy to this discussion. This is one example of having too many "cooks" in one kitchen. Maybe you allow it to happen and I'm allowed to point this out. What irresponsibility does Dawn have? I don't see any, except I see yours. Only you could see it as a critical thinking because someone else does not agree with you. Don't you see it? Maybe not today, not now. In the future you'll look back and you'll see. I wish you nothing but the best. Truly.

  • @ASLElla Robin has NO relevancy to this discussion. This is one example of having too many "cooks" in one kitchen. Maybe you allow it to happen and I'm allowed to point this out. What irresponsibility does Dawn have? I don't see any, except I see yours. Only you could see it as a critical thinking because someone else does not agree with you. Don't you see it? Maybe not today, not now. In the future you'll look back and you'll see. I wish you nothing but the best. Truly.

  • Hi Mikey. Now on last leg of my 2 wk vacation. Appreciate ur efforts at "independent" analysis altho glad u admit u don't have the full story so u know u gotta own up to it too for making this video.

  • @ASLElla I do *own* my stuff here and I take *full* responsibility on what I sign on it.

  • Good morning? Are we suppose to be flip flopping independent thinkers?? Is it fair that so many years hearing aids companies + ci corps are taking advantage of our pockets, our health care insurance premium + medicare from our tax for their own over billions profit? They do not contribute ASL but they did donate money to only orally, listening + genetic education.

    Is that how we have to advocate the hearing parents that Deaf is BADLY disease? Uh?

  • @PopeMistress We need to steer the hearing parents of Deaf children to the *RIGHT* direction. Not to where CI's and hearing aid corporations.  Must emphasize the importance of ASL as means of communication for Deaf children.

  • @mkrajnak , well actually we gotta to learn how to approach to the hearing parents if if if they got some wrong advise in some way from what I had seen in Catholic Socitey. In fact, I'm not strong catholic myself but got to keep my eyes on them since they screw up in US politics from many issues! :/ Possibly they wanna use "hearing aids for safety reason" to cover up the business excuse for profits. FYI: I already left my long + short comments on People of the Eye blog.

  • @mkrajnak - I wonder about Steve Wiener might be feeling alone and fall in trap into "independent thinker" without having other deaf schools and organizations tmw Thursday-Sept 29th up in The Chicago School of Professional Psychology Hosts Initial Meeting of Top Education, Health, Science, NGO and Government Leaders called " International Center on Deafness and the Arts to Convene National Think Tank on the Changing World of Deaf Education"? That mtg is closed to public! :/

  • Yeah, you are right. Hopefully this public situation would be resolved quickly and we should stay out.

  • me like this vlog. i hope the conflict will be resolved soon and something positive will be gained from this unfortunate incident. it's essential that we all are able to co-exist and work together peacefully as a team while respecting each other's diversities and beliefs.

  • Beautiful Vlog. I hope everything goes well for them.

  • Thank you. I agree with you that Ella and I need to defuse the situation. Love you tons.

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