This guy talks as if every situations are the same. There are exceptions to all his braking statements. Beside that, who doesn't already know to put their toes on the peg? This is beyond basic its lame.
@kabaam007 I agree with you. You would have to be the biggest retard ever, to try to stop the bike with the rear in a turn. If thats the case you shouldnt be on a bike. The rear can and will scrub off speed. Your just using it enuff for the pads to drag the rotor,just enuff to light the brake light up. thats it.
this is a great example of a reason people wreck or get hurt/killed, because they wont simply just listen to what more expirience riders are trying to explain to you. do not use the rear brake, when you hit the front brakes all the weight transfers to the front wheel and the rear brake becomes almost useless, if anything it will get you in trouble in a hurry. if you run off the road then you use the rear brake. you are not in motogp. don't be concerned with how they ride. not even comparable.
If I'm not mistaken those who race in MotoGP use their rear brakes to keep their front tire on the ground coming out of turn. (I understand this isn't a racing tutorial) Other than that they never touch them. When I'm the track I don't see the point in using them either. But then again you can panic and smash the front brakes as well. I suppose it comes down to rider preference.
Only problem I have with what he said is "and what if you realize mid corner that you're too hot?" I mean, that's when I generally use my rear brake on the track... I don't wanna use my fronts and lowside, a little pressure on the rear brake and she pulls in nicely... Of course that if I ever over do it, there'll be a nice highside waiting for me at the other side.
There's always a risk when you're riding. I'd rather risk using my rear brake and make it across the turn.
When in doubt, lean some more. Lean until you can't lean anymore, then lean even more. Never let it up to chance. I've scraped my footpegs on the street with street tires and came out fine.
@crash86ed Fair enough... but he does say 'mid corner too hot'. Mid corner to me is where you want to be at the apex. If you're too there, you probably never made the apex and if you did, your line is likely to have you shooting straight to the sandbox.
@crash86ed True that. But there's too hot and then there's TOO @#% HOT! When the second one happens, cracking the throttle will only delay the inevitable unless you find a way to safely slow the bike down. I.e. rear brake!
I rarely see people lock up the rear brake, the front ones its another story. My suggestion is use your back brake also, so you know how hard your bike can brake. Just might save your life one day, I know it did mine.!!
This is a track riding school. Your back brake is a disaster waiting to happen if you come into this school with a habit of using the rear brake to stop the bike. With sticky tires and a well maintained track surface, you will already be repositioning yourself under hard breaking just to keep the rear down.
ok, i understand that part. I was refering when we ride on street. Street riding is so much different, I suppose. Rear brake gives smooth stops, and keep balance, to me anyway. I've never ride on track YET, can't wait!
You've seen ppl lock up their front brakes??? they were either leaned over (which would be stupid) or there was oil/sand/etc on the road. You'd flip your bike before you lock the fronts...
The only time I locked up my front was when I was a newbie rider (some 8 years ago), It was due to unexpecting object suddenly appear in front, so I locked it up due to panic and rookie. I believe any rider with some experience should know how to work Both brakes to increase stopping power. But what do I know, I am no professional like that old dude in the video. But he is talking about track riding, not street riding. BIG DIFFERENCE.
the front brake has i think 85% of the stoping power on a motorcycle also its ussually harder to lock up then the rear one thing i want to see a vid on is if you guys can explain backing the rear in i know the concept but still not sure slow down the rear tire enough so its going slower then the front and it ussually does it if you guys can find a way to demonstrate that it would be great!
to be honest i like using the back brake it forces the weight of the bike forward to the front wheel and makes the contact patch bigger .
ZacGot1 1 year ago
This guy talks as if every situations are the same. There are exceptions to all his braking statements. Beside that, who doesn't already know to put their toes on the peg? This is beyond basic its lame.
kabaam007 1 year ago
@kabaam007 I agree with you. You would have to be the biggest retard ever, to try to stop the bike with the rear in a turn. If thats the case you shouldnt be on a bike. The rear can and will scrub off speed. Your just using it enuff for the pads to drag the rotor,just enuff to light the brake light up. thats it.
1EVILZ06 10 months ago
this is a great example of a reason people wreck or get hurt/killed, because they wont simply just listen to what more expirience riders are trying to explain to you. do not use the rear brake, when you hit the front brakes all the weight transfers to the front wheel and the rear brake becomes almost useless, if anything it will get you in trouble in a hurry. if you run off the road then you use the rear brake. you are not in motogp. don't be concerned with how they ride. not even comparable.
FastrnU 2 years ago
If I'm not mistaken those who race in MotoGP use their rear brakes to keep their front tire on the ground coming out of turn. (I understand this isn't a racing tutorial) Other than that they never touch them. When I'm the track I don't see the point in using them either. But then again you can panic and smash the front brakes as well. I suppose it comes down to rider preference.
TheHathaway 2 years ago
When in doubt, throttle out.
CaptSaveAHo3 2 years ago
Only problem I have with what he said is "and what if you realize mid corner that you're too hot?" I mean, that's when I generally use my rear brake on the track... I don't wanna use my fronts and lowside, a little pressure on the rear brake and she pulls in nicely... Of course that if I ever over do it, there'll be a nice highside waiting for me at the other side.
There's always a risk when you're riding. I'd rather risk using my rear brake and make it across the turn.
Educalifa 2 years ago 3
When in doubt, lean some more. Lean until you can't lean anymore, then lean even more. Never let it up to chance. I've scraped my footpegs on the street with street tires and came out fine.
JacktheSmack 2 years ago
@Educalifa You should be braking all the way to the apex if you're running any kind of fast pace anyway.
crash86ed 7 months ago
@crash86ed Fair enough... but he does say 'mid corner too hot'. Mid corner to me is where you want to be at the apex. If you're too there, you probably never made the apex and if you did, your line is likely to have you shooting straight to the sandbox.
Educalifa 7 months ago
@Educalifa I'd just crack the throttle and look for the exit. Odds are the bike will make the corner.
crash86ed 7 months ago
@crash86ed True that. But there's too hot and then there's TOO @#% HOT! When the second one happens, cracking the throttle will only delay the inevitable unless you find a way to safely slow the bike down. I.e. rear brake!
Educalifa 7 months ago
I rarely see people lock up the rear brake, the front ones its another story. My suggestion is use your back brake also, so you know how hard your bike can brake. Just might save your life one day, I know it did mine.!!
jacklyw 2 years ago
This is a track riding school. Your back brake is a disaster waiting to happen if you come into this school with a habit of using the rear brake to stop the bike. With sticky tires and a well maintained track surface, you will already be repositioning yourself under hard breaking just to keep the rear down.
cd5obsession 2 years ago
ok, i understand that part. I was refering when we ride on street. Street riding is so much different, I suppose. Rear brake gives smooth stops, and keep balance, to me anyway. I've never ride on track YET, can't wait!
jacklyw 2 years ago
You've seen ppl lock up their front brakes??? they were either leaned over (which would be stupid) or there was oil/sand/etc on the road. You'd flip your bike before you lock the fronts...
Educalifa 2 years ago
The only time I locked up my front was when I was a newbie rider (some 8 years ago), It was due to unexpecting object suddenly appear in front, so I locked it up due to panic and rookie. I believe any rider with some experience should know how to work Both brakes to increase stopping power. But what do I know, I am no professional like that old dude in the video. But he is talking about track riding, not street riding. BIG DIFFERENCE.
jacklyw 2 years ago
Should be titled:
Guy Jones: Not using his rear brake
mospamo 3 years ago 9
the front brake has i think 85% of the stoping power on a motorcycle also its ussually harder to lock up then the rear one thing i want to see a vid on is if you guys can explain backing the rear in i know the concept but still not sure slow down the rear tire enough so its going slower then the front and it ussually does it if you guys can find a way to demonstrate that it would be great!
sparda1123 3 years ago