It's the Punisher I'VE been waiting for. Thomas Jane's version wasn't so bad whenever it was the newest version back in 2004. However, when Punisher War Zone came out, it's exactly what I wanted it a Punisher movie to be.
Yeah the 2004 Punisher was a decent attempt to bring the semi-comedic "Welcome Back Frank" series to film. But they made it so frivolous and inconsequential that, even as a massive fan of Punisher, I've never felt the need to re-watch. The action was poorly staged and badly filmed to boot. And finally, what the FUCK is up with the whole fire extinguisher sequence? I could almost see Garth Ennis writing that to be funny, but it just didn't work in a movie.
Your expectations are off. The good Punisher comics are not "about" anything, espeically the MAX version which is what this was based on. The best Punisher comics treat Frank like he's Jason Voorhees for gangsters. Frank doesn't get a character arc, the bad guys do, and it usually consists of establishing why they're evil fucks who need to die in horribly violent ways. In that regard, and as an adaptation, this movie is spot on. Hate when he hangs from the chandelier though. That was dumb.
Yeah, that chandelier thing was just a little untactical. The end action sequence was awesome though. Did a little bit of urban warfare one-man room clearing exactly like a trained professional would, which adds a bit of realism to what the Punisher is about.
Yeah this movie really nails the idea that Frank is basically the perfect gunman. Always picks the right tool for the job and always uses the most advantageous tactic. I love when he fires the grenade launcher through the hole in the door.
Yep, that was definitely a quick and easy thing to do and it made me think to myself "So THIS is how a one-man fireteam would get shit done,". I bet Ray put a lot of thought into the character enough ask actual Marines how that kind of thing would work. I could tell by the way he was holding his assault rifle like you're supposed to: on the shoulder, looking down the sights. None of that Rambo hip-fire bullshit.
Oh and not only is the chandelier thing dumb tactically, but the way they filmed it... from the choice to drop the frame rate and increase the exposure time, to the camera angles, to the editing, made it seem even more slow, clumsy than it had to. That bit was so silly and I'm sure it ruins the film for a good percentage of the audience, seeing how it's the very first thing the Punisher does in the movie.
Yeah, that's another thing. I wonder if anyone at all thought that was even stylish. Only John Woo would know how to make something look stylish. Even then, it still wouldn't fly with me. That John Woo stuff is something I'd have enjoyed as a kid, but when it comes to the Punisher, I'd rather see something tactically correct, being that the character's a former Gunnery Sergeant in the Corps (as shown in that picture from the archives) let alone a former special forces instructor.
"Driven by the deaths of his family, who were killed by the mob when they witnessed a gangland execution in New York City's Central Park, the Punisher wages a one-man war on the mob and all criminals in general by using all manner of weaponry.[1] His family's killers were the first to be slain.[2] A war veteran, Castle is a master of martial arts, stealth tactics, and a wide variety of weapons."
That's how his family died. Also I wonder why Jigsaw kidnaps the fed's wife and child. I'ma see it.
It's the Punisher I'VE been waiting for. Thomas Jane's version wasn't so bad whenever it was the newest version back in 2004. However, when Punisher War Zone came out, it's exactly what I wanted it a Punisher movie to be.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
Yeah the 2004 Punisher was a decent attempt to bring the semi-comedic "Welcome Back Frank" series to film. But they made it so frivolous and inconsequential that, even as a massive fan of Punisher, I've never felt the need to re-watch. The action was poorly staged and badly filmed to boot. And finally, what the FUCK is up with the whole fire extinguisher sequence? I could almost see Garth Ennis writing that to be funny, but it just didn't work in a movie.
derpenstein 2 years ago
Yeah, see I don't even remember that part because I've only watch the thing once.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
I meant to type "fire hydrant".Does that ring a bell? If not, just try to remember the stupidest tufkcing thing you can remember!
derpenstein 2 years ago
Oh...yeah, I still don't remember bro. It's been forever since I've seen that version.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
Your expectations are off. The good Punisher comics are not "about" anything, espeically the MAX version which is what this was based on. The best Punisher comics treat Frank like he's Jason Voorhees for gangsters. Frank doesn't get a character arc, the bad guys do, and it usually consists of establishing why they're evil fucks who need to die in horribly violent ways. In that regard, and as an adaptation, this movie is spot on. Hate when he hangs from the chandelier though. That was dumb.
derpenstein 2 years ago 2
Yeah, that chandelier thing was just a little untactical. The end action sequence was awesome though. Did a little bit of urban warfare one-man room clearing exactly like a trained professional would, which adds a bit of realism to what the Punisher is about.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
Yeah this movie really nails the idea that Frank is basically the perfect gunman. Always picks the right tool for the job and always uses the most advantageous tactic. I love when he fires the grenade launcher through the hole in the door.
derpenstein 2 years ago
Yep, that was definitely a quick and easy thing to do and it made me think to myself "So THIS is how a one-man fireteam would get shit done,". I bet Ray put a lot of thought into the character enough ask actual Marines how that kind of thing would work. I could tell by the way he was holding his assault rifle like you're supposed to: on the shoulder, looking down the sights. None of that Rambo hip-fire bullshit.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
Oh and not only is the chandelier thing dumb tactically, but the way they filmed it... from the choice to drop the frame rate and increase the exposure time, to the camera angles, to the editing, made it seem even more slow, clumsy than it had to. That bit was so silly and I'm sure it ruins the film for a good percentage of the audience, seeing how it's the very first thing the Punisher does in the movie.
derpenstein 2 years ago
Yeah, that's another thing. I wonder if anyone at all thought that was even stylish. Only John Woo would know how to make something look stylish. Even then, it still wouldn't fly with me. That John Woo stuff is something I'd have enjoyed as a kid, but when it comes to the Punisher, I'd rather see something tactically correct, being that the character's a former Gunnery Sergeant in the Corps (as shown in that picture from the archives) let alone a former special forces instructor.
EvisceratorBand 2 years ago
I seriously want that pistol wiht the logo on it. SUH-WEET!
CineRecon 3 years ago
"Driven by the deaths of his family, who were killed by the mob when they witnessed a gangland execution in New York City's Central Park, the Punisher wages a one-man war on the mob and all criminals in general by using all manner of weaponry.[1] His family's killers were the first to be slain.[2] A war veteran, Castle is a master of martial arts, stealth tactics, and a wide variety of weapons."
That's how his family died. Also I wonder why Jigsaw kidnaps the fed's wife and child. I'ma see it.
FR33D0MxF1GHT3R 3 years ago