Unholy Alliance: Sharia law and the Church of England

[geraldmartinez360]

The Church of England should go back to the embrace of the Catholic Church or the very list go back to its Judeo-Christian belief. It must not allied itself with Islam a entirely different religion based on moon god belief which is totally anti-Christ.

[polygamous1]

I Can't believe what am hearing there is No question about it No discusion no Nothing this Barbaric law does Not belong in Christian civilised europe end of story

[CRUSADERPIGGYBOY]

WE DO NOT NEED TO REFORM ISLAM,

& SHARIA LAW, WE NEED TO ERAZE IT !

[CRUSADERPIGGYBOY]

ABOUT SHARIA LAW:

History tells us the truth of this saying:

"Give them an inch & they will take a mile"

[CRUSADERPIGGYBOY]

Rowan Williams isn´t a disciple of Jesus Christ

any more, he´s become a disiple of Judas Iscariot...

[osheaad]

There is not an intervening supreme being; end of story. Religion is crazy; the sun is the source of life on Earth, where the energy that powers life comes from; if you don't understand that, you cannot claim not to be ignorant. And before the big bang, nobody knows; and I will not entertain mindless speculation. As far as is known, there are physical invariants that define the way things operate.

[Zoink555]

muslims are scum1

[nazifdaniel]

i support agazaman secular inheritence law cruel.

eg: my after my father die all the properties belong to my stepmother. weere my father married her only 4 years

[mingalabaa]

What you guys do not know is that Shariah law is not statiic. It changes with time, supposed to, Go to fora.dottv and watch "The Rise of Inettelctual Reform in Islam".

[MrJohnnyrace]

Sharia Law or not, woman are treated like cattle. Sharia Law is evil.  It is of the devil and not any god.

[agazaman78]

what about inheritance and marriage issue.with no sharia law no justice can be achieve secular law cruel.

[byteresistor]

How is secular law cruel? Is it cruel because it doesn't favor men? Oh boohoo.

[dusty8512]

@agazaman78 well secular law has people as equal im sure you've seen or heard that before but trust me it's the truth

[MrJohnnyrace]

There will be no good with sheria law. It should be made illegal. Not islam, just sheria law.

[RoadlessPath]

All religion and dogma's are posion.

The Archbishop is a judas and a snake

[david510152025303540]

Wow. Blanket statement.

[scottype689]

Britain has its values through foward thinking secular ideals not backwards religous dogma. Do we really want to go to the dark days of faith before reason. As for the archbishop who takes this clown seriously. He is trying to take advantage of the current climate to further his own religous ideals into the law of this country he is a disgrace.

[BrothersamDavis]

Jesus Christ is the only answer to man,s problems.

[BiggestOfDaddies]

What a coincidence, cause he was the cause of all the problems too.

[soreno32]

fuck all these people talking shit about islam. I am a muslim i lived in afghanistan where the taliban imposed shariah law. It was terrible. if you stole something they cut off your hand. you could not shave your beard. or play any kinds of games. These people make these rules by themselves. the quran does not say not to shave your beard. what bullshit this shariah law.

[DuneCoonMonitor]

seriously.

thank you for speaking out against the "bad part" of islam.

as much shit as i give islam, i know that there are good and just muslim men.

i do know however, that sharia law is exactly like hitler's nazi germany... a very few make the rules and those that dissent are killed.

more muslims should speak out against those that defile the religion... the radicals.

[david510152025303540]

Is it ture that Muslims cures Jews and Christians in arabic three tims a day during their daily prayers?

[alihammadshah]

These fkn christian are scared of sharia becuz it will convert their followers to islam because sharia is quick justice and is effecient and fair .. you can alter the punishment a bit

[seanamico]

I was born and raised in the Middle East and I know your stinking Sharia law and know how pathetic & backward you people are.

No one is afraid of converts, they are afraid how dangerous you fanatics are and the amount of animals that Islam creates that do not give a damn about human life.

[seanamico]

Its actually 9 year old, only the prophet is allowed as young as 6

[alihammadshah]

From where you getting these facts from..MOFS.

[MrAyaanle123]

you american men are gay alcoholic and muslim are the most hygienic people on the earth you brainwashed by media first lean about islam as i lean about christianity before u judge i know your bible is teachin incest all this shit things

[fbswift]

im english not american but seriously all you wackjob screw-loose fuckin religious freaks need to stop worshipping some imaginary god and trying to make others. England is the land of the free, sharia law is bollocks and the muslims can shove it up mohammeds ass.

[Zaman313]

have your opinion on religion but dont be rude about peoples reliogious figure WHATEVER religion the follow

[WhiteBearOZ]

Hey Zaman, what about north korea and japans belief in that the emperor of japan was a god?? Can we have a go at those religous figures?? I most certainly will, mohammed is a peadophile. FACT.

[MrAyaanle123]

your bible is the mmost dangerous book in face of the earth it keep out of reach of children becouse it teach pornographic incest if you don't believe me where your churches bishops get the idea of molesting children this is your bible is teaching is this word of god no no please try to do research you wiil get the result as i did thanks

[zellymusic]

according to who?

[Counterrevolutionite]

The Church of England have to grow a set of balls and stand up for Christianity properly in Britain. The liberal wing within it are hell bent on destroying it. The only real hope is if the High Church wing make a fight back and overthrow the liberals anti-Christian elements by force. It is a liberal-Islamist alliance, not all Anglicans are to blame.

[BNPnews]

COMPULSORY WORSHIP IN SCHOOLS IS AN ANTIQUATED IDEA THAT SHOULD BE SHELVED, it is claimed. The Association of Teachers and Lecturers said schools should be free to celebrate Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh religious festivals every few weeks instead of staging a daily assembly and singing hymns.

Under existing legislation, all state schools in England and Wales are supposed to have daily worship of a broadly Christian character.

[BNPnews]

Most Church of England bishops also show little or no interest in the idea of celebrating St George's Day by asking all churches to ring their bells.

ONLY FIVE OUT OF THE CHURCH'S 44 BISHOPS ENTHUSIASTICALLY BACK THE PLAN - AND SEVERAL ARE HOSTILE, CLAIMING IT COULD BE 'DANGEROUS' AND CAUSE A BACKLASH FROM OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS.

[moony27]

islam is made up by the arabs to control shit it is all about slavery and thats it now one has rights in it any one can be beatin and killed at any time and it's ok to hell with sharia law and the person that made it up

[downourstreet]

Get ALL religion out of politics. The religious freaks in government are destroying the UK and dragging it back to the dark ages.

Take your superstitions and stick them where the sun don't shine!

[ptthunder]

Any people naive enough to even consider allowing modern law in their society to be affected in any way by the moe,jesus,or moses religious cults and their false,barbaric,semite 'god', deserves to slide back into the Dark Ages.

[jcview]

What a deep and fair debate.

Lets listen to the paid opponents of Islam who tell us what the Islamist are saying, instead of listening to what Islam really has to say.

Its frightening to have an intellectual representative of Islam on this show, because he/she might expose the truth and then how could we possibly let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[stevebritgimp]

It's interesting that Maryam describes Rowan Williams as a reactionary ally to islam. In former times a reactionary bishop supporting islamic law would be unthinkable. I think there's a thick slice of so-called (rather than true) liberalism involved. People like Rowan Williams are as much about showing their right-on credentials, and abandon reality. It's baleful, and women and children, branded 'muslim' will suffer.

[stevebritgimp]

I have no hatred of muslims, and feel uncomfortable with some of the stuff that comes out in these situations. However, in the UK we've been fighting for hundreds of years for our rights, and somehow convenient idiots in the establishment want to give those rights away. Islam needs its teeth pulled, and Christianity needs to be put in its place.

[DTRUTHbTOLD]

Hi,what do you mean by "Christianity needs to be put in its place"?I believe the problem you are having in England is because you have kicked Christ out of Europe,and allowed liberalism and all its dirt in.

[Adinax86]

Being a "half Jew" I intuitively shun Arabs and other Muslims and don´t feel safe in Europe anymore. Muslims have no boundaries in their actions, they act like animals. And now you let these animals rule your country? At some point you´re gonna have to deal with the consequences believe me. They have bombed your cities, killed and raped your women and your children and you have learned nothing. Good luck Britons, cause you need it.

[opntheirhartzJesus]

i agree ken. mohammedanism (i refuse to make these people comfortable by calling them what they want to be called. i call them mohammedans, because they worship mohammed simple ;+} it is a theocratic/legal system around which they wish to establish their societies, and ultimately a single hellish sharia society. folks need to pull their heads outta' their butts, 'cuz the creepy followers of the creepy pedophile "prophet" are creeping into western societies, oozing through every crack, like slime

[MrAyaanle123]

who told u that we worship muhammad (pbuh)muhamed (pbuh) is just prophet of God like (moses jesus abrham peace be up on them ) we muslim we worship GOD directly without thruogh somebody else and we worship one allmighty GOD so please do your own research and join us to worship the allmighty God thanks

[fbswift]

u muslims cant have sex before marriage, which is fcking hilarious. you also stone people (barbaric) and hide the pretty women from view. i have to say there is no god (i've done plenty of research) SO FUCK SHARIA LAW, keep it out of the englishmans country.

[IceneBoudicca]

Maryam is right, we DO represent the vast majority who want freedom in our countries. Sharia is avoidable not inevitable and all we have to do is join forces to know that we WILL bring political Islam to its knees, we CAN stamp out Sharia in the UK.

[kaduisaui]

Fight back and become intolerant of Islamic intolerance. Hold Government officials accountable for selling our countries out. Take back our freedom! organize against Islam!

[seathanaich]

This isn't an unholy alliance. It is a holy one. Religion is not a positive, it's a negative.

There shouldn't be any surprise at all that Christians and Muslims have much in common - their world views are both based upon the same falsehoods, only the details are different. Of course, socially Muslim socieities are several centuries behind Christian ones in terms of rights, law, tolerance, etc.

What "myths" are there about Sharia? Telling the truth about how evil something is isn't a "myth"

[jamesbrennand]

Europeans, save yourselves from Islam!

[brainsys2]

Jamesbrennand said "Europeans, save yourselves from Islam!"

And "Americans, save yourselves from Christianity"?

Europe is well on the way to that. And we need to treat Islam with the same skepticism. Sharia Law & Christian Law based on myth rather than reality demonstrable corrupts good civil government looking after the interests of ALL its citizens.

[jamesbrennand]

I'm an atheist and I second the phrase "Americans, save yourselves from Christianity" too. I think Europe must be worried about Islam as much as America must be worried about Christianity.

[jassi4010709]

what we really need now, are all mosques and churches blown to pieces and to have the last politician hung with the entrails of the last religious preacher.

[IrishPaganWarrior]

blasphemy law? did we go back in time to the dark ages or something

[dusty8512]

@IrishPaganWarrior GOD DAMN FUCKING CHRIST i better swear and oath of silence then

[jtdyman]

the bishop wants to go back to the middle ages when western church had power over the people.

[KenMacMillan]

leaving islam is an act of treason? That proves beyond any shadow of doubt that islam is atheocracy & not a religion. The ability to fight islam is there if people are willing.

[KenMacMillan]

a blasphemy law? I'm an atheist but that sounds like a weapon for fighting islam, as long as it can't be used by islam.

[slLLyhumans]

Prince Charles and the Queen dont have anything to say about all this ? Amazing !

[hellsbells36]

i expect like everyone else they are scared shitless of being called racists and can you imagine how the queen would feel when the super ignorant hyper sensitive islamists start calling for her blood over yet again nothing!

[slLLyhumans]

Its just hard to understand that these people in power ( such as the royal family ) are allowing England to experience this sort of culture genocide.....which is whats slowly happening to the U.K.

[EvilUmpire]

Maryam Namazie is wrong on one point: the blasphemy law in England and Wales has been abolished as of July 2008.

[Mc4zVibe]

Many of the claims held to be truth in the Quran, are blatant lies concocted by Muhammad to manipulate the illiterate and stupid masses of Arabia, for ie., Mo said, sand is clean and can be substituted for water OR If you lift up your eyes towards heaven while praying, your eyes will be snatched out (Sahih Muslim vol. III, nos. 862-863). Why would any scientist spend 1 minute of mental energy on this nonsense? (Why does Islam have such a strong hold on poor countries and uneducated people?).

[Mc4zVibe]

Islam is incompatible with Science, Individualism, Democracy, Liberty, Reason, Logic and Analysis. Therefore Islam is OUTDATED, but not only that ISLAM IS EVIL and you will be too if you "submit" to it in its orthodox form. Ex-Muslim Dr.Wafa Sultan was right when she says that Islam tries to impose its will on the rest of the world and tries to SUBDUE not Submit the Western Culture to go backwards into the Dark Ages where Barbaric, Illogical and Inhuman Laws and Methods was the will of ALLAH!

[hellsbells36]

i love you mc4zvibe you are so cool! what great comments! xx

[SUKAZSAKRAFICE]

can these muslims stop and think about the 8 million non muslim brits that live in britain???

shira law will never get in!

[FreeBDesh]

It is simply a fact that the greatest predictor of terrorist behavior anywhere in the world is whether or not a person believes that Allah is the only god and Muhammad is his prophet.

Only in Islam one is not labelled an extremist simply because he doesnt want to blow himself up while shouting "Allah Akbar".

[Thucididies]

nice capn awesome qoute, very classic.

[nightstep]

no they arnt, they're treated as the same but really not the same. Politics does not need a god of some sort in order to function.

But we often do get polatitions trying to force their religious beliefs into our laws, but thats been going on eons.

[boneheadagain]

We need to support these ex-Muslims in the clip big time! They are heros in my opinion!

[nightstep]

Religion and Politics do not belong together

[boneheadagain]

The Arsebishiop of Canturbury should keep his fat mouth CLOSED and he needs to STOP endorsing genocide! He is the worst thing to have hit the UK since Oswald Mosley! I hope his church falls apart...

[j03l5k1]

damn right

[Domzdream]

Fuck islam in it's ugly, zitty ass. It's the most disgusting cult ever to have appeared on earth.

[zomgomgomgz]

Fuck Islam.

[Brettah31]

winrar

[jimmmmybrady]

The arch bishop is only interested in strengthening his own position.

[mattblackcat]

How can you call it Law and Justice when it is based on ignorant superstitions?

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

The short answer: You don't.

[adehmark]

Apostates......what fucking century do we live in?

[mustafaweewee]

It's high time muslims got a taste of their own medicine. -

Refuse to serve them, on the grounds that they follow the teachings of a child-raping, lying, thieving, murderer, -(muHAM-MAD).

don't employ them because they stick their fingers up their arse, to scrape the shit, - and then don't wash, so that they can contaminate everything they touch.

muzies have been known to sprinkle pieces of their own shit on pizzas for non-muslims !!

Guess what's in their kebabs !!!????

[Bockatadi]

you guys got sharia, we got pes. bush and his christian army....3 words: BUY A GUN

[Brianswers]

I haven't seen much religion in politics in the Canadian election coverage. I'm away from home though so may have missed it.

[commanderplank]

Yes, we should create a religion of satire, we act like a religion, but we know its crap and claim all the benefits, and shout about discrimination all the time.

[xmodrelic]

that Scientology, except only the higher ups know its bs.

[emuholic]

er er.. on on.. er er.. and and... on on ... erm.. erm.. er er er... er. can i bring you erm.. into er.. start a discussion er.. on this issue

[greycloud24]

i have been toying around with the idea of creating a secular religion that claims religious rights to being protected from other religions. in this manner the religion could justify reasonable laws through the same manner that islam and other religions pass unreasonable laws.

[acme181169]

The reality is of course, is that the archbishop will actualy achieve the opposite if he continues to push this agenda, he could unwittingly become the last archbishop in England!

[crg64]

Religion doesn't belong in government.Secularism is the only way.

[DefaultPosition]

some good observations.

The Arch Bishop sees an opportunity to win more influence for religion in the UK by supporting aspects of Islamic religious law.

Most British people are embarrassed by Religion.

[CrunkRockSteadyEvan]

"Most British people are embarrassed by Religion."

The way things ought to be everywhere

[whenindoubtdo]

"Most British people are embarrassed by Religion."

Then why did this whole thing with Sharia law happen???

[DefaultPosition]

Because, at the same time, religion still benefits from the taboo that protects it from serious questioning, because senior religious people in the UK have greater access to Government than the general public and because there have been an unusual number of religious people in senior govt positions since Tony Blair was in power.

[FrenziedLogic]

Because the people don't get at a say, if this carries on, theres gonna have to be a revolution. All these pc rules are another form of dictatorship and censorship of free speech.

[endofthelinejoel]

Great discussion.

[qanazir]

The Church of England has once again proved, that it needs to be destroyed too.

Secularism FTW!

[ChaosmanOne]

The thing is, these Muslims could go to regular British courts to have these decisions overturned, but they are "willing" to allow the Sharia councils to render legal decisions and then follow those decisions. What needs to be done is to open the peoples eyes (like the women mentioned below) who are sleighted by Sharia courts to get them to take action in British courts.

[ChaosmanOne]

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

[ChaosmanOne]

"Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case."

We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals..."

[ChaosmanOne]

On May 8 2008, the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel in England and Wales, with effect from 8 July 2008.

[tieInterceptor]

we must stand our ground and defend Secular society from the forces of superstition and religious bigotry.

we will NOT let an imported dogma that is even more fascist than Christianity to grow in our society,

Say no to Islamofascism now! before it's too late.

we will stand together, and we will win.

Freedom from religion and superstition.

[CarlKenner]

Great work! I urge everyone to sign the petition in the sidebar. It is very important to make sure that sharia law has no legal binding.

[Ansonidak]

Yeah. I think My country has multiple personality disorder. Very practical and fair minded sometimes but with religious hysteria, insane prejudice and just plain nutcases always lurking about, trying to gain control.

[Wonko101]

Britainistan is lost. Abandon it and move to Ausralia and New Zealand former Brits!

[tyendanega]

I wish more people would say they want to "live without labels other than human". Brilliant statement from Maryam Namazie!

[ConcernedHuman]

looks like he was right sharia law is now being conducted in britian. What a pity that such nonsense is tolerated.

[Ansonidak]

Wow. We have some messed up stuff going on in the US but at least we don't have a state religion! Separation of church and state FTW

[EvilUmpire]

It's ironic that in the USA, where separation of church and state is guaranteed by the constitution, politicians pander to religious organisations and presidential candidates make a show of their supposed religious beliefs, whereas in the UK, where the head of state is also the head of the established church, a political leader who made a great show of their religious beliefs would be regarded with suspicion almost as if they were deranged.

[slLLyhumans]

Good point .

[whenindoubtdo]

This reminds me of a middle-eastern saying. "Me and my brother against a cousin... me and my cousin against a stranger".

No matter how much the monotheists hate each other, it is nothing compared to the secularists. The secularists are their ultimate enemies because we undermine everything they stand for.

[whenindoubtdo]

D'oh!!! I meant atheists instead of secularists.

[crswesty]

Ehm, I think you'll find that atheist undermine the foundation of what you stand for. Atheists don't believe in God(s). That's it, it is not a belief IT IS A LACK OF BELIEF!

[crswesty]

Sorry mate - my last comment was complete off, I read you comment quickly and though you were saying the opposite. My apologies again.

[whenindoubtdo]

No problem.

[whenindoubtdo]

Beheadings? Oh don't worry, we'll only have those when we're in power! You're safe now! :P

[Neltharions]

Islam.. christianity... same shit different wrapping.

[Redshift21]

@ 6:00, What most people fail to see is the end goal of most islamists is turn the UK and every other country in the world into islamic states, so while beheading and amputation may be the job of islamics states now in the future we will all be in islamic states and then beheading and amputation will be everywhere.

[mithrandel111]

ready for madlibs?

@ 6:00, What most people fail to see is the end goal of most CONSERVITAVE CHRISTIANS is turn the UK and every other country in the world into CHRISTIAN states, so while BURNING and STONING may be the job of CHRISTIAN states now in the future we will all be in CHRISTIAN states and then BURNING and STONING will be everywhere.

BTW I actually agree with your post on a level. You just forgot to include everone in the conversation.

[Redshift21]

LoL, yeah I get what your saying and I dream of a more sane secular world but right now the real horror show is with islam, but you can never count out the other religions to do something equally as horrible anytime they see fit.

[KasparHauser4]

Brave people fighting the good fight.

[zbambam5]

That lady pwnd. In my opinion. I don't know much about Islam and all the things that happened over the years with it.

[evolve749]

Sorry, I didn't see the note.

[shinx2k6]

funny, how many apostats becomes experts in the fields of islamic discussions and these are the people who gives the fatwa to muslims in secular countries like sweden, uk, usa...such people like ahmed, abdullah, ayan, christian prince, mariam...etc...

get a life people and I really do hope you are making s difference for better not worse for humanity

[lonelygreenteagirlie]

"funny, how many apostats becomes experts in the fields of islamic discussions and these are the people who gives the fatwa to muslims in secular countries like sweden, uk, usa...such people like ahmed, abdullah, ayan, christian prince, mariam...etc..."

I'm going to guess you're a Muslim living in the west, because your English is horrible. :D

Firstly... fatwa? WTF? They're not Muslims. They're advocating a secular stance.

[lonelygreenteagirlie]

Plus, you're making a big fallacy by implying that apostates don't or can't have the expertise to criticize Islamic discussions. Sharia law effects an entire society.

[evolve749]

This sucks. I'm really interested in the subject here, but I refuse to listen to the host stammer and stutter for 11 minutes.

[arbuckle1029]

It;s true. The intro stops right at 1:00

[zbambam5]

Yea, you should at least try to stick through it. I hate topics about Islam. Only because they make me so angry I feel they might give me an ulcer. Thanks for the post Piro.

[HeadoftheHydra]

Then don't.

Wow, that was hard!