VenomfangX, remember to cite your sources! (OLD)

[Wrath0fKhan]

Featured again in TFs WDPLAC p36! :))

[GuineaPigDan]

@Wrath0fKhan Oh wow! That's neat!

[james911jca]

Seriously? Am i the only one that thinks the ocean paths reference is extremely vague and not at all related to the discovery by the context. I mean it's like me reading a poem and seeing " The birds all fell from the sky, pulled by an invisible force". And me then studying the force and calling it "the force" Assuming the author wrote this before "The force" was ever studied, i see no correlation between the two apart from the name, inspired by a poem's simple observation.

[GuineaPigDan]

@james911jca My feeling about Psalm 8 are pretty much the same.

[wolfsrainpet]

so he was lying???

[GuineaPigDan]

@wolfsrainpet It's something Venom does quite a lot of.

[wolfsrainpet]

@GuineaPigDan  oh well no ones perfect

[Skindoggiedog]

Damning. Nice vid.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Skindoggiedog Thanks!

[Not2Sane]

Research for the win!

[GuineaPigDan]

@Not2Sane Thank you!

[Felhaven]

Very nice. First time i have seen one of your videos. Definatly Content over appearance but thats what matters. After all Venom's videos are fairly well made (not to the degree of thunderf00t's but still) and yet his are completely WITH OUT meaning full content. keep up the good work. No matter how many times you hear xians mock "youtube athiests" remeber this: you sway ONE PERSON and you save a hundred generations from intelectual slavery.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Felhaven Thank you. I normally do videos relating to my artwork, but on this occasion I wanted to bring to light something I had caught.

[KVOSCI]

Semmelweis washed his hands in a chlorine solution. Not just water.

[Wrath0fKhan]

You dont want TF to find out... Too late... :))

[GuineaPigDan]

@Wrath0fKhan I saw that Tf00t favorited my video also. I didn't expect that it would reach him so soon when I recorded this.

[JungleHyena]

@GuineaPigDan ... Great work finding it out. Thumbs up.

[GuineaPigDan]

@JungleHyena Thank you!

[oraclecrank]

Reminds me of old-school VFX, all copying his wording and graphics directly from Ray Comfort videos...

[GuineaPigDan]

@oraclecrank It makes you wonder if he does this with his school assignments also.

[viridismonasteriense]

The bit about 'washing your hands' supposedly written in the Bible just proves the utter failure of God and/or Christianity's message. If the Bible was clear and coherent in its message people would've learned about hygiene and put it into practice years before that time. Instead we've got four contradicting stories altered through editing by councils and chinese whispers and they aren't even contemporary. Illiterate Bronze Age Jerusalem was God's first choice to spread his word. Perfect? Hardly

[Vrchni]

I am just curious, if bible talked about the sea currents long before they were actually discovered and used for the navigation in the sea, why people had to wait till the 19th century for someone to actually discover them and why they just did not use the bible to find out about them since it is such a great scientific book. Also running water is not enough for doctors or for any one who wants to have clean hands. One has to soap and especially doctors...

[GuineaPigDan]

@Vrchni That's something I've noticed also. These "discoveries" that the Bible, the Quran, or whatever your choice of holy text have scientific facts in them usually come AFTER the discovery has been made. It's just like how certain "psychics" will make a prediction after an event occurs and then pretend that it was made before the event.

[DirtyPoopers]

hes lazier than i thought

[ZionzSavior]

Like the video :), just need to work on audio next time :)

[GuineaPigDan]

@ZionzSavior Thanks. I made the vid in a rush, and all I have is the internal mic on my computer. When I get the chance, I'll rerecord myself talking and swap the audio.

[GuineaPigDan]

@ZionzSavior The new audio is ready. I actually ended up remaking the video and I added a segment where I talk about Psalm 8 and Leviticus 15. watch?v=rpd_jz-R6eQ

[GuineaPigDan]

@ryanfard It makes you wonder how much of his other vids have been borrowing quotations or even whole paragraphs without citation.

[mlsmithers4]

petty

[shandcunt]

I really want to see Venom attempt a career as an apoligist and just get ownd, is that evil? probably...

[GuineaPigDan]

@shandcunt It might be the only way he'll learn.

[Xander756]

He's been caught just reading from websites? HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Whatever4690]

Plz fix this 666 thing before it coverts some gulliable fools.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Whatever4690 I don't know what's causing that. For me though, it says it's stuck at 1,500+ views.

[Whatever4690]

@GuineaPigDan Yeah it fixed itself awhile after i made the comment,or maybe not totally by the sounds of it,pretty sure 1,500 isnt a biblical number.

[Whatever4690]

WTF 666 views.

[Whatever4690]

Fuck channel 4 for blocking everything.

[TopHunter]

I watch this video as it has 666 views. Lulzy

[Bockatadi]

@TopHunter 666 views for me too! THE END iS NEAR !! REPENT !!!LOLOLOLOLOL!

[mushroomartist]

@Bockatadi

AAAAH SAME HERE! IT IS STUCK ON 666!

[GuineaPigDan]

@TopHunter I made sure to screencap it.

[AndrianGA]

Wikipedia VS The Bible

[captain150]

Didn't this stupid douche learn anything during his year away from the internets? Post some bullshit on youtube and you can be sure some honest people will check your facts.

WHEN WILL HE LEARN?!

[GuineaPigDan]

@captain150 A jail cell, perhaps. He's avoided one for quite some time.

[FireDragons42]

@GuineaPigDan Perhaps a padded cell may be more suited to his unique problems.

[845pkny]

venomfangx seriously must have been offended @ me calling him douchie howser& telling him 2 go back 2 his overally cheesy &horrible early 90s sitcom where he came from.& i dont think the microphone detracts from his presentation anymore than any of these other videos. ive watched some dudes who sound like theyre farting when they talk. back to douchie howser, he is a troll, he is a shitty, lying ass dude, he has his subscribers make videos comparing tfoot and him, and saying Vfx somehow "wins."

[GuineaPigDan]

@845pkny Thanks. I made this vid in a rush and all I had was my internal mic, so the sound isn't as good as it could be. When I get the chance, I'll rerecord my talking and swap the audio.

[kinoaf]

great video

terrible microphone (it very significantly detracts from your presentation)

[GuineaPigDan]

@kinoaf I know. The video was made in a rush, and all I had was the internal mic on my computer. I'm going to rerecord myself talking and swap the audio when I get the chance.

[kinoaf]

@GuineaPigDan

Goodthinking

I believe the subject matter warrants the extra work.

Keep up the good work

[GuineaPigDan]

@kinoaf New audio is ready. I actually remade the video, and added a segment where I talk about Psalm 8 and Leviticus 15. watch?v=rpd_jz-R6eQ

[morrowrail]

Great video, but for God's sake buy a new microphone. Please.

[GuineaPigDan]

@morrowrail I made the vid in a rush and all I had was the internal mic on my computer. I'll rerecord myself talking and swap the audio when I get the chance.

[GuineaPigDan]

@morrowrail Here's a new version of my vid, with better audio. watch?v=rpd_jz-R6eQ

[aunicornprincess]

Thank you for owning VenomFang X continue to do this please :)

[GuineaPigDan]

@aunicornprincess I may if I get the opportunity.

[Osias1983]

Psalm 8 was just poetry, wasn't it? I fail to see how that would be a place to put anything scientific in the first place. Plus, the water is constantly moving anyway, we can see that just by looking at it. Chances are that's how the whole "paths of the seas" came from.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Osias1983 For fundies like VFX, parts of the Bible are poetry when they want it to be poetry, and literal when they want it to be literal.

[bbenally88]

don't take pcs seriously, he is just a TROLL!

[aakurtzaakurtz]

So fucking owned.

[GuineaPigDan]

@aakurtzaakurtz Yep.

[RedEyedVinithian]

PCS's false intelligence never seems to amaze me ...

[GuineaPigDan]

@RedEyedVinithian He tries so hard... in his dreams.

[Jammsbro1]

I doubt that PCS has ever read the bible.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Jammsbro1 I've had similar suspicions.

[Salt0fTheEarth]

That passage in Leviticus 15:13 is about men being required to clean themselves after nocturnal emmissions, AKA "wet dreams".

[raphanon]

@Salt0fTheEarth LOL a man's "discharge"

[GuineaPigDan]

@Salt0fTheEarth Leviticus 15 has got to be one of the strangest chapters in the Bible. Even stranger, I saw a Jewish website explain what these passages are about. The Hebrew word for uncleaness, or "tuma," actually refers to the stain of death, and a man washing himself after a wet dream or a woman washing herself after menturation is supposed to remove this stain since either discharge results in the loss of a potential life.

beingjewish . com / kresel / facts . html

[GuineaPigDan]

@SomeAtheistMusician Thanks.

[19822andy]

VenomfangX's Sources X The Bible = Toilet paper. Remainder=Brain cell loss

It's mathematically proven

[GuineaPigDan]

@19822andy lol

[LordMikkell]

Maybe some one should tell VFX that during the 1800s and until prohibition doctors in North America washed their hands in alcohol and water when available. Not just water.

Making yet another statement of his unfounded and false.

[savageecho]

His whole reply is absurd as it does not show any predictions or scientific information from the bible. VFX is simply taking past issues and trying to apply the bible to them. Real predictions, scientifc or prophetic, need to make specific calims not that one should bath in running water. He is trying to find facts to fit his conclusion rather than drawing conclusions from facts.

[GuineaPigDan]

@savageecho I wonder how long it will be until he finally does a video addressing statements like the earth resting on pillars, as in 1 Samuel 2:8. I'm guessing he'll claim it's referring to plate tectonics.

[hawkturnal]

A dishonest x-tian... who would of thunk......?

[GuineaPigDan]

@hawkturnal He makes Kent Hovind proud.

[zwwalker]

Caught with his pants down lol, nice vid!

[GuineaPigDan]

@zwwalker Thanks.

[guild1981]

That's some nice investigative work.

[GuineaPigDan]

@guild1981 Thanks!

[eyallev]

well, good work tracking his sources down (or tracking the sources of his sources), but that has nothing to do with the points them selves (but I guess, you were planning on addressing the points, just the matter of not citing sources).

if we were to talk about the point, we could say, for example, that the running water was intended for the sick person, not the doc' treating him.

and had the bible EXPLAINED why you should wash your hands, many more lives could have been saved.

[makka432]

@eyallev Fact is it is way way way too vague. These versus can be interpreted in a 1000 ways, which they are, and can be applied to anything the reader see's fit. So yeah, if the true intention was to just wash your hands in running water to avoid bacteria spreading the Bible should just say that.

[GuineaPigDan]

@eyallev Thanks. A lot of people have responded to VFX's claims already in comments on other videos, so I wasn't going to retread them. But if you want to know what I think, "paths of the sea" is vague and can be interpreted to mean anything. As for the Leviticus passage, you wash yourself seven days AFTER the issue has ended, so any infection is already gone. The Jewish sites I looked at said that washing yourself in a Mikvah is about spiritual, not physical cleanliness.

[ShortOrderLectrician]

Yeah because people had no clue about currents in water back then. :facepalm:

[Doomcharger]

Wow... Not only is VFX dishonest, he plagiarizes.

[GuineaPigDan]

@Doomcharger He's been doing this for a long time. In his oldest videos he'd just repeat what he heard in Kent Hovind seminars. It looks like he hasn't grown out of it yet!

[angrywhenroused]

and the fish in the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas.

t0 me hardly describes ocean currents. its just flowery words

[GuineaPigDan]

@angrywhenroused It's funny that fundamentalist Christians that look for scientific foreknowledge in the Bible will use vague passages like these to support their arguments while ignoring more unambiguous statements like the Earth being set on pillars. (1 Samuel 2:8)

[Nidair]

"You don't want Thunderf00t to find out"

Too late :P

[GuineaPigDan]

@Nidair I saw Tf00t now has my vid in his favorites as well.

[MisterEvil1]

Doesn't want T-f00t to find out? T00 late for that!

[GuineaPigDan]

@MisterEvil1 I saw he favorited my video. I'm surprised it got to him so quickly.

[howerut]

Is this guy active again? Can I get a link to his channel? If that is the case of course.

[GuineaPigDan]

@howerut He's on the same channel, even though he said he's going to dissociate himself from that name in his aplogy vid to DPR.

[rtngolem]

Wow you're a furry and you like blaspheme. Double heresy!

[GuineaPigDan]

@rtngolem Apostates and anti-christs come in all varieties.

[KayleLang]

As for what VFX was saying about water, I don't think it was a prediction. Clean water was used a symbolism for a long time. If you wash you hands in a mud puddle, you visually could still see mud on your hand.

It wasn't about viruses or deceases, it just something that was observable, even without microscopes.

This is coming from the same book that thinks illness was from demons.

[GuineaPigDan]

@KayleLang Right. Lev 15 is about spiritual purification. Funnily, I couldn't find any Jewish sites that claimed that washing in a mikvah was scientific foreknowledge of preventing disease. Maybe there are some that do say that, but I found practically only conservative Christian sites making this claim.

[oliverandm]

love that VenomfangX's (or Shawn) knowledge always comes from Wikipedia! It makes me laugh my butt off! It only shows that tf00t has probably said something he didn't understand, then he have wiki'ed it and checked up on different stuff and BAM! He is now the master of knowledge... Please Shawn, if you want to sound smart, read a book and memorize it (that's the least you can do!) wikipedia is fine for school assignments, but when you argue big things, it's about as good as pepper on chocolate

[chrisxy123]

@oliverandm

Wikipedia isn't that bad (most of the time). You can learn much by

- reading the article

- following the source links

- reading the discussion site

- following the links on the discussion site

- looking at how good the sources actually are

[Fyapowar]

Good job danny!

[GuineaPigDan]

@Fyapowar Thanks!

[starspawn77]

Oh, and Shawn? You speak of a force outside of the universe that cannot be observed or tested, yet somehow you claim to have knowledge of it, and that this knowledge is gained through the bible. But if you can't get bible passages correct, how can you say that you are certain of what this unobservable force wants from us? Furthermore, you don't even glean this "knowledge" yourself - you steal it from others. Just how do you expect people to trust that you are correct?

[starspawn77]

Well done, GPDan. The beauty of all of this is, Shawn likes to say that atheists are incapable of thinking for themselves. Pretty funny coming from a guy who is not only unable to come up with his own arguments/defenses, but he can't even word these points on his own. His first videos were verbatim copies of Kent Hovind seminars - how much more of Shawn's work is completely unoriginal? Hey Shawn - who's incapable of thinking for themselves now?

[mmmodafoca]

OoOoOoOo nicee.. thats all i have to say about that debate.

[GuineaPigDan]

@mmmodafoca The plot is thickening.

[thunderbolt94]

Good video. It's a real shame that VFX cannot be intellectually courteous and actually properly cite the sources. The sources he does use only go to show that he just blindly accepts that agrees with his agenda.

[GuineaPigDan]

@thunderbolt94 Thanks.