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  • I would have been among the thousands cheering when Garvin laid down that Hands of Stone punch. I could tolerate Rhodes as part of The Superpowers and in Wargames, but otherwise I thought he sucked.

  • This actually wasn't long before Garvin left for the WWF

  • @SadisticScott

    Technically, he left/got fired and went to the AWA first.

    Great, shocking heel turn. I was really looking forward to the Rhodes/Garvin matches and hate that they didn't happen.

  • you can tell the fans were getting sick of rhodes....there were like 80% cheers when Garvin hit him.

  • this stuff is too funny.....Can't believe how much I use to get into this stuff.

  • Better than what's on now

  • This was a bad heel turn because Ron Garvin's career was never the same afterwards.

  • @speedbuggy

    It wasn't because of the turn, he left the company and neither the AWA or WWF used him as well.

  • then there were crickets chirping...

  • one of the most underrated heel turns - Dusty sold it big time!!!

  • Thanks for posting the video! I was at this show. 11 years old, mowing lawns for ticket money for NWA at the Baltimore Arena. Never hosted Starrcade but we always got a killer Great American Bash card. And the Crockett Cup.

  • One of the best Swerves of all time!

  • When wrestling was great....no internet assholes telling you what's going to happen weeks ahead of time

  • The original live pay-per-view broadcast had the announcer yelling "Holy S**t!".

    It was blepped out here.

    It should have been heard at 0:59 of this clip.

  • turn john cena heel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • my sister dated Ronnie in 1977!!

  • I was so shocked when I saw this but yet this is during the time when wrestling was still wrestling

  • I remember this. I was totally shocked. The way a heel turn should be done.

  • Funny how the referee went to check his arm to see if he was "conscious" (which clearly, he wasn't) before realizing that he's pinned and could just count the three, lol.

  • back in the day where the time limit mattered....no internet spoilers to warn you of the turn...classic heel turn....

  • Seems like the WCW.......grrrrr

  • Barry Windham was a crappy heel. I think he was the single most overrated wrestler of the 80's. Yeah, he could wrestle. But so could Brad Rheingans. He was boring and I always thought Luger gave them a different element.

  • @cbaldwinjr Barry was a good babyface that they tried to shoehorn as a heel. Oddly the other Horseman thought he was a good fit.

  • @yardlet6

    That's true...but those guys hated Luger. Windham fit more of the NWA style of wrestler.

  • road warrior animal said ronnie garvin was on of the toughest guys he ever faced.

  • see that is the problem, sports entertainment. that sucks!!!

    this is a real heel turn!!! great video

  • Ron Garvin was the NWA World's Heavyweight Champion on November 16, 1987.

  • After the match Dusty Rhodes went looking for Ronnie Garvin. He found Garvin with JJ taking money from him.

  • Jesus who didn't turn on dusty rhodes ?

  • Other than Hogan's Heel Turn, this might have been the biggest surprise turn of them all...

  • @MrHoopsFanatic At that time, during the end of the Crocketts sponsorship of the NWA, there was no better way of turning someone heel, than having them beat down Dusty Rhodes. But I have to admit, Garvin was a much better heel than face. You know, no one mentions Stings heel turn in 1999. It was booked poorly, but it could have been much more, ironically it was against Hogan too.

    @Mattraction513- I think Jesus might have turned heel against him too, remember the polka dots plumber gimmick?

  • @HellsGladiator stings heel turn in 99 , i dont think came off because hogans name was dirt with the fans , i think people actually cheered when it happen lol

  • Dusty was a big, fat, greasy, slob. Him and Big Bubba should've gotten along great.

  • @donn409 It's amazing with all his great matches he didn't lose any weight. You would think he would have burned some calories. Must have had some kind of metabolism problem or just ate like a pig. He was great though.

  • @danteras23 Yea, you couldn't help but love Big Dust. It pissed me off when he got sh*t on by other wrestlers. I liked Garvin until he turned on Dusty. They were great as the Risky Business Boys.

  • jim ross ,...got to love him he solld that match

  • Also funny, the crowd popped big time when Dusty got hit by Ron Garvin

  • Funny, Dusty won the title from Luger, who lost it to Barry who lost it to...Luger LMAO

  • JCP was pretty much on its last legs by this time. Vince was partially responsible with The Survivor Series by holding the cable companies hostage. Then he put the Rumble Royale on USA the same night as the Bunkhouse Stampede. No one in NYC cared about Bunkhouse Battle Royals.

  • Garvin woulda made an excellent horseman after arn n tully left. He wrestled like a heel anyway. Then they shoulda recruited Paul orndorff or Greg valentine 2 team with him. Nwa mighta survived

  • @blaknyte08 Garvin would've never made a good Horseman no way shape of form he or anyone else take the place of Arn or Tully in the Horseman. That would be like Lex Luger taking Hulk Hogan place in the nWo when they was hot.

  • @datdamnleroygreene there were PLENTY of wrestlers in the biz at that time that coulda filled in nicely with flair n windham. and YES garvin was 1 of them. valentine,orndorff,al perez. i could go on. many wrestlers who had that horsemen esque persona.

  • @blaknyte08 Al Perez, Valentine nor Garvin could've took Tully or Arn place .Those 3 in the Horseman would've been the worse incarnation of the group. Arn Anderson was 1 of the cornerstones of the group, irreplaceble. Al Perez would've been like Paul Roma was no 1 would care. Garvin was past his prime not a good face or heel. Orndoff against the Horseman better. Valentine, you see he & Flair similarities because Johnny valentine(Greg's dad) help trained Flair. Thar's not Horseman esque

  • @datdamnleroygreene looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­l

  • @datdamnleroygreene garvin had the respect of the nwa fans. he was the world champion,the man who beat flair,2 b exact. his style was a heel style. valentine had the history with flair,had teamed with him b4,was familiar with the jcp format. wouldve came in and done well. orndorff against the horsemen couldve worked but with them wouldve worked well too,at the time. he had the elite style just like valentine. they both woulda fit right in. garvin woulda fit in too. wuts not horsemen esque?

  • @blaknyte08 Under a different banner maybe but not the Horseman name

  • @datdamnleroygreene yes,under the horseman name. i believe it woulda worked out perfecctly. but hey all of this is a matter of opinion. whos 2 say it wouldve DEFINITELY worked or DEFINITELY NOT worked?

  • @blaknyte08 If JCP felt it would've worked they would've ran with the idea. Like you said your opinion it would've worked I begged to differ. The best incarnation of the Horseman in my opininon was Flair , Tully, Arn & Barry Windham. Think they went the right direction not reviving the horesman without Arn. To me they were never able replaced Tully in other incarnations of the Horseman. Larry Zybysko would've been probably been the only wrestler to come close fill that void

  • @datdamnleroygreene zbysko? now there i beg 2 differ. the only one in my scenario that jcp had any control over was garvin. cuz orndorff n valentine were still in wwf at the time. and with what was going on in 88 i dont think they(orndorff,valentine) woulda jumped ship. tully was def hard 2 replace. i believe it woulda been more workable and believable in 88 given the climate of wrestling at the time. orndorff,garvin,valentine,eith­er 2 of the 3 works IMO

  • @blaknyte08 Zbysko was a heat magnet. Like I say he could've felt the void Tully left behind but by no means he could've 100% took Tully's place. I'm not talking about a version of the Horseman with Flair/Windham .Without Arn there it would've tarnished the Horseman legacy. Flair,Anderson,Zbysko,Windham would've been a great incarnation of the Horseman. They did the right thing by resurecting The Horseman without Arn but when they did in the 90's Larry would've fitted the bill better than Roma

  • @datdamnleroygreene Zbysko worked better as a solo. I can't see him as a team player even though he was part of the Dangerous Alliance.

  • @yardlet6 True but Zbysko as a Horseman would've been a better fit than Roma  a former WWF jobber.

  • @blaknyte08Now we're talking about 2 eras also. You discussion is when Flair& Windham were the only 2 left in the final moments of JCP. I feel they did the right thing about not resurecting the Horseman. They hinted the idea with Kendall Windham a few times, glad they didn't with him or anyone else.JCP knew it wouldn't work. Now in the WCW era when they did resurected the Horseman Zbysko would've been a better fit than Roma & Larry was under WCW contract.

  • 0:54

    even at 300 pounds dusty could see a move like he was shot!!!

  • The truth was that Garvin and dusty never got along behind the scenes dusty didnt see anything in him but Flair did thats why he won the belt in 89

  • @hardtime3000

    Garvin could neither get over as a face nor a heel.

  • @DarsowGolf I agree with that. Him winning theNWA World title had everyone scratching their heads.

  • It was pure delight watching Garvin knock out that big tub of lard, Dusty Rhodes. They sure knew how to humiliate Dusty back in those days.

  • WTF kind of a bell is that? friggin school? you need a big bell like WWF has!!

  • Tully & Arn left not too long after this and with them leaving it took the steam out of all the horseman angles. Including this one.

  • @jshkendra Well if a manager (Paul Ellering) is making a bigger salary than 2 of the hardest working wrestlers in the company are, I don't blame them. That is part of the reason why Tully & Arn left and went to the WWE.

  • what a shocker, dusty using the "oh poor Dusty" angle to put himself over

  • What a stupid move...The proof ?? Garvin was in the AWA 4 months later and in the WWE 7 months later....bad idea Dusty Rhodes...

  • Man I remember watching this and thinking wow did that just happen? I couldn't believe it

  • love it that the fan in the front row is right in view of the cameras cheering when Garvin puts Ol' Dust down like a lame horse...

  • was there any major blowoff for ronnie garvin turning heel or was this the reason why barry windham finally gotten over and garvin went to wwf at the time, if so it does make sense, but dusty could have done it differently... o no another dusty finish lol

  • @cmhero85 There was no major blowoff, Garvin left the NWA not too long after this; he went to the WWC and AWA for a bit, winning the tv title in the AWA and the Universal title in the WWC.

  • I love heel turns but this one i did not care for! Do i wanna see Ronnie Garvin wrestle Sting as a heel Hell no Sting would still punk his ass!

  • the fans reaction of the heel turn looks like a face turn

  • i would of liked to see dusty win the us belt one more time like the world

  • the most beautiful heel turn ever dusty did not see it coming i wonder if jj dillon and something to do with this

  • Is it just me or were the fans cheering like mad when Garvin knocked out Dusty?

  • Garvin got a hell of a pop after punching that fat fuck! By this point the fans where tired of Dusty, as he was constantly booking himself to always be on top.

  • This was when the nwa started going down. A lot of people blame Dusty but I'm not sure any of this was his doing. Wasn't Watts running things then?

  • @deanw0rmer Are you serious??? In NO way was this when the NWA started going down. Any person can tell you that 1987-89 were banner years for the NWA, especially 1989. The matches were excellent, the storylines were incredible and the overall product was outstanding. WCW didn't start going down till late 1990 AFTER Sting won the title, and it wasn't even because of Sting, they just had poor booking.

  • @deanw0rmer No. This was in July 1988. JCP was on its last legs then. Dusty used the "Dusty Finish" so many times and cheapened Ric Flair's stock as champion. As for Bill Watts, he came in in 1992. It wasn't much better, since he promoted his son, Erik, as the other wrestlers' expense, especially Rick Rude.

  • @deanw0rmer I felt the same way about the product.

  • Hey Dusty, you got knocked the fuck out!

  • Now that's a heel turn!

  • I bet Garvin, in reality, can't punch worth a shit.

  • @vousallezvous I don't know, the guy looked pretty good on the punching bag in a clip I saw around '85 or '86. Remember the bloody knuckles?

  • @vousallezvous many wrestlers say ronnie was stiff those punches do land contrary to oyur opinion.

  • worst thing was there was no fued following this a few weeks later garvin left wcw for wwc and scoivane said rhodes beat up garvin so bad that he left the company...just horrible

  • @imdagr8st I agree that it would have been better if Garvin had stuck around longer. As I recall he was in Gary Hart's heel stable for a while. But this was a great heel turn!

  • I never did understand this turn, even when it 1st happened. Made NO sense to turn him heel

  • Now that's a heel turn. Turn Dusty and "WHAM!" Take that ya tubby S.O.B.

  • How many face/heel turns did Dusty have from here until the end of his run? I remember Garvin, The Road Warriors, Dr Death and Kendell Windham all turned heel, and The Midnight Express, Ivan Koloff, and Rick Steiner all turned face. I'm sure I'm missing a few-

  • Barry Windham also.

  • i got sick of dusty like hogan  i must admit

  • Great heel turn. That's how it's supposed to be done . The fans shouldn't expect it weeks before it happens like todays sports entertainment. .

  • Tell it. Today its SO obvious when the heel turns are gonna happen. Back in

    the day, you never knew when it would

    happen.

  • @datdamnleroygreene

    Yeah that was some heel turn.  He was within a year in the WWF as a face.

    A true loser of a performer having to switch back and forth so often.

  • @datdamnleroygreene Not really. If you hint at it, fans start to want it and it makes sense when it comes, when it happens out of nowhere it just confuses people. Predictable is usually predictable because it's the right thing to do, nowadays the predictable is turned on it's head to try and 'swerve' the fans.

  • @daystilljersey Exactly. In good story telling there's foreshadowing and payoff.

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  • This is one of the greatest Heel Turns of all time.

    In terms of surprise, this ranks right beside HBK turning on Hogan.

  • Dusty used people. He had people on his side he knew that could whoop his fat ass. He deserved that punch.

  • He left WCW immediately after (Garvin) didn't he?

  • Not immediately. Instead of a huge feud with Rhodes and becoming aligned with The Horsemen, Garvin was managed by Gary Hart for a month or two, then left, where he showed up in the AWA as a heel. After a few months there as one of the top heels, he moved to the WWF, where he quickly became a mid-card jobber-

  • I remember watching this,and I swear I knew the second that Garvin stepped into the ring that he was going to punch Dusty in the face. Ron and Barry had been partners,and everybody seemed to be turning on Dusty around that time.Plus,there was really no other reason for Garvin to be there. I always hated Dusty,so I thought it was great.

  • I Remember This, Too.. Ron Garvin Turned His Back On The N.W.A. Fans!!

  • I remember this I was a kid what year was this

  • hehe, this is one of my favorite moments ever in wrestling.

  • It is a good one. I always liked Ron Garvin and thought Dusty was a fat titty bore.

  • yes this happen in b-more maryland i was 4 going on 5 in remember this . my mom said i was so into it at 2 i learn to say suplex before my name nwa for life

  • lol guess he really does have steel hands.

  • dusty could sell a punch as real as he could give one out

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