WOW!!! Small world! When I was introduced to GJJ I was invited out to that same Gracie Garage around 1999. I met Royce there when he came to do belt testing. I remember a kid being with him who was a Jiu Jitsu monster but I cant remember his name. I was going to Fayetteville State University at the time. Wow! When you brought up that garage I had a flashback! That was great Training!!!
WOW!!! Small world! When I was introduced to GJJ I was invited out to that same Gracie Garage around 1999. I met Royce there when he came to do belt testing. I remember a kid being with him who was a Jiu Jitsu monster but I cant remember his name. I was going to Fayetteville State University at the time. Wow! When you brought up that garage I had a flashback! That was great Trainning!!!
I have also fought multiple attackers. One time I got jumped, but I managed to grab one guy and rear naked choke him. It was sick. Once they realized what was happening. They stopped kicking me and started trying to get me to break my grip. Also I took some hits, but because he was on top, he took most of the hits.
I always wanted to learn a good counter to the Americana. I got caught in it many times and i always successfully rolled my opponent over by the the bridge and roll technique he would always keep the arm and finish it from the guard.
5:13 ----Rener, I believe the correct way to say it is "heavier", not "more heavy"...lol..just messing with you. I figure since I can't find a flaw in your Jiu-Jitsu, I might as well get on your english...lol...all in good fun buddy. -----Team Silva MMA
This was incredibely usefull, whenever I would get put in americanas I would always have to resort to turning my hips toward the pinned arm and try to shimmy my way out of it, this is much more effective.
i thought it was funny when you mentioned the big brute guys, i was rolling with this guy who is 6'3 300 something pounds and he kept trying this and was successful once cuz i couldn't stop him from putting all his weight on my arm.
man your a great teahcer thanks for posting that, i was having problems with the americana, but now i can't wait to test out these new counters, thanks!
@pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway.
Who the heck created the name "Americana" ??? Why not call it by it's original name Ude Garami ????? or by it's American name ... figure four key lock ?????????
Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
@pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
@pcjudosambo@pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
@pcjudosambo That lock has been around long enough that its "original name" is probably in ancient Greek, Egyptian or some dialect that's even older than that. It can be seen in pictorial records going back that far so don't give us any more of your politically correct judo bullshit. Go train it and STFU. In any case its documented use in BJJ predates any trip Anderson would have made to Brazil even though that name for it may not. I've heard it called by several other names as well.
@MrMZaccone Ease off on the red bulls. Everyone knows that the ancient Greeks used same techniques in their Pankration type fights but Japanese terminology and Japanese martial arts (Ju-Jitsu and Judo) made this technique famous and mainstream through out the world. The whole world knew a shoulder lock as Ude Garami, no matter if you studied Karate, Aikido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu or what country you're from.. it was Ude Garami not some Greek name. Then BJJ arrives & renames it due to its own "marketing"
@pcjudosambo "Japanese martial arts (Ju-Jitsu and Judo) made this technique famous and mainstream through out the world." Horse shit! "The whole world knew a shoulder lock as Ude Garami, no matter if you studied Karate, Aikido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu or what country you're from..." More horse shit! I learned it first as a "key lock" IN A JUDO CLASS in 1972! You're full of shit. Go suck some more judo dick. The name is meaningless and so is your bullshit.
So much to say. First of all I went through the JFK SW center and school in 2003. They did not teach us any BJJ at all. All we got was Lines training. But even pogue bases like Fort Jackson had implemented BJJ.
Thanks a lot for this intruction. Monday someone BIG almost took my shoulder out. I tap as soon as I am in trouble cause I dont want an injury that makes me stop training. But my shoulder n even elbow still hurt. He cranked it too fast. Thanks again.
man i love youtube and rener gracie iv been doing bjj for a month and these vids show u show much its helped me defend against ppl who been doing bjj for upto 12 months and im at a gracie gym! rener should have a tv show or someting FTW!!!
Those are some of the worst counters you can do. I have become somewhat of an expert at defending the Americana, for the reasons they mentioned (smaller guy, bigger guys always attempting this, etc.). This is just wrong and will get you tapped very quickly. I expected better from Rener.
@kingwilly34 Why don't you make a video about it and educate us, or would that be too much work and criticizing people with bullshit all you can actually do? Better yet why don't you go and show Rener the error of his ways? That would be fucking hilarious.
@MrMZaccone Looks like someone got their little panties in a bunch. Actually, what would be hilarious is me personally showing you the error of your ways but I'm sure you're familiar with how meaningless internet challenges are. Anyway, I'll give you a hint and see if your pea-sized brain can figure it out. To counter a lock, you have to counter its motion. Rener is going along with the motion of the americana which helps his opponent make the lock successful. Absolutely the wrong thing to do.
@kingwilly34 Think a lot about guys wearing panties, do you? As for meaningless challenges, I'll P.M. you my adress and we'll see about yours, never mind I already know. Jiu-jitsu works almost entirely on the principal of "going along" with the motion of an attack to achieve an advantage. "When pulled, push. When pushed, pull". This is a fundamental concept in Judo and Jiu-jitsu. A pity you didn't know that. What's hilarious, is telling Rener Gracie he's wrong about basic Jiu-jitsu. LOL.
@MrMZaccone You're such a douche. Yes, I'm very familiar with push/pull but it's not absolute. What you're saying is akin to going with the motion when someone attempts a straight armbar. What will happen if you do that instead of countering the angle or stacking the guy? Yes, you'll help your opponent submit you. I don't need to tell Rener he's wrong. Cesar Gracie can do that if you've seen his no-gi vids. While some of Rener's points aren't completely w/o merit, these counters are very risky.
@kingwilly34 In your first post it's "just wrong", now it's "not without merit" but "very risky". When you make up your mind what you're trying to say, let us know. The truth is, I'm sure anything Cesar Gracie shows is going to work and I would never jump on one of his or another Gracie's videos and start spouting bullshit about how he's "just wrong". Who's the douche here? Given who you're criticizing, how and with what level of knowledge, I think the answer is obvious.
@MrMZaccone The first things he shows are not without merit but I wouldn't rely on them. The counter he shows once the americana is sunk, though, is completely wrong and will only ensure your elbow/shoulder gets broken. People have tried that counter on me on several occasions and the only thing missing is the gift-wrapping. I've been training somewhat consistently for almost 14 years and also teach 2 days a week at the academy I train at so I think I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
@MrMZaccone I don't need to because someone else already has. Behold, the proper way to counter the Americana: It won't let me post a link so do a YouTube search by typing "Americana Escape by Matt Strack."
Notice how it is the complete opposite of what Rener is showing. Rener's showing his as counter against guys that outweigh you. Try Rener's escape against a big guy only if you want to tap fast (hopefully you'll have time to).
@kingwilly34 I actually used this escape againt one of the guys I work out with two nights ago. I weigh 155 he weighs 290. So much for that theory. I deliberately let him set up the americana to test this technique.
@MrMZaccone You'd be bridging the wrong way and actually helping the guy complete the Americana. Was he a beginner? Did he let go so you'd avoid injury? If you're talking about the first thing Rener shows, like I said it could work but I wouldn't rely on it (why would you when you can start the proper counter right away and increase your chance of successfully countering?).
@kingwilly34 He's a blue belt and as long as I kept his weight on his hands it worked. If I let him get his weight off his hands it was a problem. The only difficulty as I see it is that it's not really an escape, just a way to buy time for one. My question to you is how have you've managed to study for 14 years and still think there's one, "the proper" counter for anything. Every counter also has a counter, which has a counter, which ... etc. Is there a "best" counter? ... Mmmmmaybe.
@kingwilly34 As for the escape by Matt Strack, the only one I can find is from side mount. I'm familiar with it but it doesn't work for me from mount. I've tried it. Are you talking about a different escape? If so I can't find video of it.
@MrMZaccone I will say Rener's other videos are fantastic which is why I was very disappointed with what he was showing here. It seemed as if it was a throwback to the original Gracie Academy and Renzo/Kukuk videos where not everything they showed was exactly proper (maybe to keep their edge at the time? I don't know).
@kingwilly34 Better yet, expound on this theory you have that they deliberately taught things wrong to "keep their edge". That's quite an imagination you've got there.
@MrMZaccone If you were around in 1994, you'd understand my comment. I thought it was common knowledge the Gracie Academy held things back from their students until other family members (mainly Carlson) began showing more to theirs. In order to stay competitive, Gracie Academy had to stop keeping things secret). They tried doing the same thing in America (if you don't learn from history, it will repeat itself). If you don't believe me, go to the Underground forum and ask Chris Brennan.
@kingwilly34 You make such wonderful assumptions. I had my first lessons in GJJ in 1994 with Steve Maxwell in Philadelphia. I was in the instructor certification program at the Torrance academy in 1998-99. There is a marked difference between holding back certain things and not showing it properly. I even noted a difference between the Renzo-Kukuk vids and those from the academy even then. One set (academy) worked and one set didn't (Renzo and Kukuk).
@kingwilly34 Why this was had more to do with teaching method than technique, one set being taught in combinations and one set being taught without that connective tissue. Bottom line, I've used this against bigger, stronger opponents and made it work. Maybe you just don't understand it. Try watching it again and paying attention.
i got jumped by 5 guys a few years back in highschool and walked away victorious. So it DOES happen but is HIGHLY unikely, which is why i would agree with your sprinting strategy haha. I unfortunately just didn't have that option that day
@MrMZaccone When I say victorious I mean I won the fight. I obviously took some shots in the fight. But I gave one of the guys a fat hematoma on his forehead. 2 of the guys had black eyes. And I knocked one of them out. One guy got away without a scratch unfortunately :-/, but they ended up backing away and quitting the fight not me. I don't even know how it happened, I don't try to be a hardass and mouth off or anything. Was just in the wrong place at the wrong time I guess
It's very important to have a ground game, since most fight ocurr between just two guys, and also there are a lot of useful chokes in bjj that can make your life and fight way easier,but i know apreciate a good striking skill,i cross train with boxing but shaoling kung seems interesting, unfortunately we don't have a lot of Kung Fu schools here in Brazil, in matters of striking, Karate and specially Muay thai are the thing.
The best style for multiple attackers hands down is: SPRINTING!! Run your ass off and don't look back!!! I grew up on the Southeast side of Chicago in the early 90's AKA the Gangsta Rap era....I have faced multiple attackers on more than one occasion....and in the real world....the guy in the middle of the circle loses EVERY time!!! this isn't the fucking movies. You do not drop someone with just a couple hits to "vulnerable" areas....Get real.
this is so true..I train in Aikido but I believe that the techniques are just their to give you openings for escape. Once you have it, SPRINT! Its very seldom that I see intelligent comments. Your comment is one of them. Thanks a lot.
amen I grew up in similar environment and more times then not when a group of guys want what you have your best chance is to just get the hell out of there not every one Bruce Lee
@thedoc56 well i would say that no martial arts except maybee aikido and kungfu is suited for multiply attacks! all martial arts are suited for 1 vs 1 combat! if a judoka meets a kungfu fighter that doesn't mean that the judoka will win ;)
@takidabossen a Judoka has a much better center of gravity/base than kung-fu fighter. Half of the lifetime of a judoka is spent on trying to balance off his opponent, thus that means any judoka practices non-stop on how to keep standing (just like any wrestler or Sambo player). Judo is excellent for multiple attackers but ONLY in close range combat. Striking art (kung-fu, karate, kickboxing, etc) is excellent in multiple attacks defense as well ... but through long range.
@pcjudosambo yes! but what i meant was that i belivie that very few martial arts are good for multiple opponents. the most martial arts are most suitable for 1 vs 1 situations! but im only speaking out of my own experience and knowledge! It is after all only my own belifes.
@takidabossen Aikido and Kung Fu CLAIM to be suited to multiple attackers. Try it some time with some kind of realism attached to it, you'll realize it's all bullshit. All you need are multiple attackers, more than one of whom have decided to grab you and drag you to the ground and you're pretty much fucked. The best that can be hoped for is escape and evasion ... period.
@ticosexy22 I agree that groin shots hurt A LOT, but not enough to incapacitate someone. Think about the UFC, those fighters get accidentally kicked in the groin all the time, by professional fighters might I add, and continue fighting.
@ticosexy22 I don't have to imagine it. I've been kneed really hard or had someone's shin crush my nuts while passing guard a bunch of times. It hurts a lot. but with the adrenaline going through your body, and your brain in "fight mode". - it won't stop someone. Think about it, you're basically saying that if you got into a fight with anyone, all they would have to do is hit your nuts and you'd lose just like that?
@ticosexy22 you can try it but theres no sub ,you crank 100% to try and break it,then get top position and continue to pound if needed.I would always either choke or strike from top if there was no friends around.
@ticosexy22 Do you really think anyone learns Jiu Jitsu (or any martial art for that matter) with the intention of winning street fights?
Learning Jiu Jitsu is going to help you IF you are in a fight and it goes to the ground. It isn't for breaking bums arms on the weekend. If you read the top comment, you would have known that they say you should run from a group fight situation. How many fights happen without alcohol being involved?
@Gumbi1012 in my experience, when you get jumped by multiple attackers, they don't come at you one at a time like the movies. They all come at you at once. There is no way to block 15 simultaneous blows. And in a matter of seconds they basically form a circle around you and punch, kick, and stomp your guts out. I'm glad you agree! Even if someone happened to knock one of the dudes out, at that exact moment they're getting hit by, let's say 4 or 5 people at the same time!! It's simple math to me.
@6XstringXsamurai Sorry, I thought by "middle of the circle" you were referring to the attackers! lol Well in a 5+ plus situation you're really screwed. I would be confident in my ability vs 3 or less, though. (Depending on the exact situation)
@6XstringXsamurai well said. That's why the "real life superheroes" that dress up in costumes and try to make neighborhoods a better place practice parkour, this way they can escape, because they know they don't stand achance against multiple attackers.
If he reaches his opposite hand across to defend the Americana, can't you move to an front-side arm triangle on either arm or a Brabo choke on either side.
i would say two better ways of countering, first, when he locks the arm, just roll to the right, where he has no hands and legs for keeping the balance. So yes, i actually think that the hook works against him at this point, he should use his other hook also.
And second counter attack is to stretch your arm straight when he has landed his elbow to the ground, then go straight to arm triangle, and finish it by rolling to right side and movin to side control.
I love jiu jitsu but it kinda seem's like iis the ultimate martial 1vs1 but would be completely useless against more than one person were as a karate black belt would own 2 people i guess if you were to get a choke or arm lock on one guy and break his arm or choke him out it may freak out the rest into running but idk.
As a Karate Black Belt I can tell you that if you cant fight on the ground in a multiple man situation you probably wont survive long. If nothing else you need to have the skill to get back up quickly. Just my observation but most Karate guys (not all) wouldnt survive a multiple attacker situation anyway since so many of them dont train to fight realistically, they only train against other Karate guys.
That could be true but the reputation of the Gracie's is not so much that they are the best fighters in the world but more that they're the reason we have BJJ in U.S.A and other countries also They're the reason we have the UFC not to mention the traditional garage to huge business story they have.
@Obobbyss Wow he could probably get really famous doing that. I wonder why he hasn't thought of it? Maybe you should go tell him or become his manager or something. Either that or go suck his dick, which is what it sounds like you'd like to do anyway.
hahaha love the ryron cut-in, he's so cool, did a couple private lessons with him, both him and rener are great teachers :D keep it up guys (and thanks for the counter)
I teach the amaricana/ bent arm bar durring combatives. It will be nice to add these defences because this seems to be the only sub they try. That and the nutcracker.
I would tap the shit out of that purple belt.. but anyways.. good and informative video. Osss!
NinjaWarriorDude 4 hours ago
Great video dudes
killslay 1 month ago
gracie jiu jitsu, best in the world
koolerthanapolarbear 1 month ago
could u use this when they get the americana from side mount?
Wrestlefan1 2 months ago
@Wrestlefan1 probably not dood... u dont have the hips to help you
CrimsonGetsu 2 months ago
Anthony trained since 1998 and only still a purple belt??? or is it a black and my visuals are off??
Grapplersplanetcom 2 months ago
@Grapplersplanetcom It is purple, trust me I am young.
IamVeryFrozen 2 weeks ago
Outstanding defensive move. great job!!
gkuiper 2 months ago
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Strange how BJJ likes to go to the floor and remain there with one guy lying ontop of the other.
Throughout his speech he is lying on the other Dude. He decides to give the other Dude a go to lye ontop of him. I think I can see his bonner.
slouttop 3 months ago
@slouttop Say that when you wake up from your como after a BJJ guy holds onto his choke for too long on ya.
Cenon2007 3 months ago 4
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I take it youre a gay.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago 2
7:25 the most hopeless "he does get under" XD hahaha but besides that amazing video :] i love the americana and this video was just perfect
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WOW!!! Small world! When I was introduced to GJJ I was invited out to that same Gracie Garage around 1999. I met Royce there when he came to do belt testing. I remember a kid being with him who was a Jiu Jitsu monster but I cant remember his name. I was going to Fayetteville State University at the time. Wow! When you brought up that garage I had a flashback! That was great Training!!!
MuHaMaat 5 months ago
WOW!!! Small world! When I was introduced to GJJ I was invited out to that same Gracie Garage around 1999. I met Royce there when he came to do belt testing. I remember a kid being with him who was a Jiu Jitsu monster but I cant remember his name. I was going to Fayetteville State University at the time. Wow! When you brought up that garage I had a flashback! That was great Trainning!!!
MuHaMaat 5 months ago
I have also fought multiple attackers. One time I got jumped, but I managed to grab one guy and rear naked choke him. It was sick. Once they realized what was happening. They stopped kicking me and started trying to get me to break my grip. Also I took some hits, but because he was on top, he took most of the hits.
130kali 7 months ago
Rener is an awsome teacher..
aper3221bitch 7 months ago
jiu jitsu and athletics, good mix for self defense
emm589 9 months ago
Great video!!
Do those counters work when someone is going for an americana from side control or half guard?
mikeq510 9 months ago
@mikeq510 yep,after the initial heavy arm defense you can pull the elbow in to the hip with a bump away and then go to safehands position.
scarred10 9 months ago
ryron, "just tap out". haha
GJJalltheway 9 months ago
good vid, thanks!
IversonRockz 11 months ago
priceless tips. god created earth, men, and then the gracies
nahuelfantino 11 months ago
@nahuelfantino no, the Gracies created God xP hahaha
BioBrokun 11 months ago
I always wanted to learn a good counter to the Americana. I got caught in it many times and i always successfully rolled my opponent over by the the bridge and roll technique he would always keep the arm and finish it from the guard.
kanguesso 1 year ago
Aah, so that is what is meant by doing the americana with the hook. Nice counter!
Susitalo 1 year ago
Kingwilly34-- I've been doing jiu jitsu for years and can vouch for this technique working VERY well against opponents of all sizes
lsloewen2 1 year ago
5:13 ----Rener, I believe the correct way to say it is "heavier", not "more heavy"...lol..just messing with you. I figure since I can't find a flaw in your Jiu-Jitsu, I might as well get on your english...lol...all in good fun buddy. -----Team Silva MMA
teamsilvamma 1 year ago
Brilliant CLIP! "Just tap out" AWESOME! lol
Manny1222 1 year ago
these videos are the best instructional jiujitsu vids on the web..hands down!
reggae9ninja 1 year ago
This was incredibely usefull, whenever I would get put in americanas I would always have to resort to turning my hips toward the pinned arm and try to shimmy my way out of it, this is much more effective.
fromtheforest4413 1 year ago
i thought it was funny when you mentioned the big brute guys, i was rolling with this guy who is 6'3 300 something pounds and he kept trying this and was successful once cuz i couldn't stop him from putting all his weight on my arm.
CorderoIvan 1 year ago
Can the foot be kicked out to take weight off of the elbow?
ImSoOffended 1 year ago
man your a great teahcer thanks for posting that, i was having problems with the americana, but now i can't wait to test out these new counters, thanks!
Spencer167 1 year ago
great vid!
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@pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway.
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kamhal89 1 year ago
just tapout lol
heidtmanmail 1 year ago
Who the heck created the name "Americana" ??? Why not call it by it's original name Ude Garami ????? or by it's American name ... figure four key lock ?????????
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
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Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
kamhal89 1 year ago
@kamhal89 wow, I never knew that. Pretty sad .
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@kamhal89 they never claimed to be the creators of jui-jitsi....
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@pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
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@pcjudosambo @pcjudosambo Because Rolls Gracie brought an american wrestler to Brazil (Bob Anderson I think) many years ago to learn his techniques and he showed him (and the rest of bjj guys at the time) the ude garami, and so, they named it americana. So much for Helio being jiu jitsu creator anyway...
kamhal89 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo That lock has been around long enough that its "original name" is probably in ancient Greek, Egyptian or some dialect that's even older than that. It can be seen in pictorial records going back that far so don't give us any more of your politically correct judo bullshit. Go train it and STFU. In any case its documented use in BJJ predates any trip Anderson would have made to Brazil even though that name for it may not. I've heard it called by several other names as well.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone Ease off on the red bulls. Everyone knows that the ancient Greeks used same techniques in their Pankration type fights but Japanese terminology and Japanese martial arts (Ju-Jitsu and Judo) made this technique famous and mainstream through out the world. The whole world knew a shoulder lock as Ude Garami, no matter if you studied Karate, Aikido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu or what country you're from.. it was Ude Garami not some Greek name. Then BJJ arrives & renames it due to its own "marketing"
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@pcjudosambo "Japanese martial arts (Ju-Jitsu and Judo) made this technique famous and mainstream through out the world." Horse shit! "The whole world knew a shoulder lock as Ude Garami, no matter if you studied Karate, Aikido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu or what country you're from..." More horse shit! I learned it first as a "key lock" IN A JUDO CLASS in 1972! You're full of shit. Go suck some more judo dick. The name is meaningless and so is your bullshit.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
happy B day Anthony!
So much to say. First of all I went through the JFK SW center and school in 2003. They did not teach us any BJJ at all. All we got was Lines training. But even pogue bases like Fort Jackson had implemented BJJ.
Thanks a lot for this intruction. Monday someone BIG almost took my shoulder out. I tap as soon as I am in trouble cause I dont want an injury that makes me stop training. But my shoulder n even elbow still hurt. He cranked it too fast. Thanks again.
bigtimepimpin666 1 year ago
man i love youtube and rener gracie iv been doing bjj for a month and these vids show u show much its helped me defend against ppl who been doing bjj for upto 12 months and im at a gracie gym! rener should have a tv show or someting FTW!!!
paul00sydney 1 year ago
Those are some of the worst counters you can do. I have become somewhat of an expert at defending the Americana, for the reasons they mentioned (smaller guy, bigger guys always attempting this, etc.). This is just wrong and will get you tapped very quickly. I expected better from Rener.
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 Why don't you make a video about it and educate us, or would that be too much work and criticizing people with bullshit all you can actually do? Better yet why don't you go and show Rener the error of his ways? That would be fucking hilarious.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone Looks like someone got their little panties in a bunch. Actually, what would be hilarious is me personally showing you the error of your ways but I'm sure you're familiar with how meaningless internet challenges are. Anyway, I'll give you a hint and see if your pea-sized brain can figure it out. To counter a lock, you have to counter its motion. Rener is going along with the motion of the americana which helps his opponent make the lock successful. Absolutely the wrong thing to do.
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 Think a lot about guys wearing panties, do you? As for meaningless challenges, I'll P.M. you my adress and we'll see about yours, never mind I already know. Jiu-jitsu works almost entirely on the principal of "going along" with the motion of an attack to achieve an advantage. "When pulled, push. When pushed, pull". This is a fundamental concept in Judo and Jiu-jitsu. A pity you didn't know that. What's hilarious, is telling Rener Gracie he's wrong about basic Jiu-jitsu. LOL.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone You're such a douche. Yes, I'm very familiar with push/pull but it's not absolute. What you're saying is akin to going with the motion when someone attempts a straight armbar. What will happen if you do that instead of countering the angle or stacking the guy? Yes, you'll help your opponent submit you. I don't need to tell Rener he's wrong. Cesar Gracie can do that if you've seen his no-gi vids. While some of Rener's points aren't completely w/o merit, these counters are very risky.
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 In your first post it's "just wrong", now it's "not without merit" but "very risky". When you make up your mind what you're trying to say, let us know. The truth is, I'm sure anything Cesar Gracie shows is going to work and I would never jump on one of his or another Gracie's videos and start spouting bullshit about how he's "just wrong". Who's the douche here? Given who you're criticizing, how and with what level of knowledge, I think the answer is obvious.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone The first things he shows are not without merit but I wouldn't rely on them. The counter he shows once the americana is sunk, though, is completely wrong and will only ensure your elbow/shoulder gets broken. People have tried that counter on me on several occasions and the only thing missing is the gift-wrapping. I've been training somewhat consistently for almost 14 years and also teach 2 days a week at the academy I train at so I think I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 So, I'll say it again. Why not make a video and show us all why this doesn't work?
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone I don't need to because someone else already has. Behold, the proper way to counter the Americana: It won't let me post a link so do a YouTube search by typing "Americana Escape by Matt Strack."
Notice how it is the complete opposite of what Rener is showing. Rener's showing his as counter against guys that outweigh you. Try Rener's escape against a big guy only if you want to tap fast (hopefully you'll have time to).
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 I actually used this escape againt one of the guys I work out with two nights ago. I weigh 155 he weighs 290. So much for that theory. I deliberately let him set up the americana to test this technique.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone You'd be bridging the wrong way and actually helping the guy complete the Americana. Was he a beginner? Did he let go so you'd avoid injury? If you're talking about the first thing Rener shows, like I said it could work but I wouldn't rely on it (why would you when you can start the proper counter right away and increase your chance of successfully countering?).
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 He's a blue belt and as long as I kept his weight on his hands it worked. If I let him get his weight off his hands it was a problem. The only difficulty as I see it is that it's not really an escape, just a way to buy time for one. My question to you is how have you've managed to study for 14 years and still think there's one, "the proper" counter for anything. Every counter also has a counter, which has a counter, which ... etc. Is there a "best" counter? ... Mmmmmaybe.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 As for the escape by Matt Strack, the only one I can find is from side mount. I'm familiar with it but it doesn't work for me from mount. I've tried it. Are you talking about a different escape? If so I can't find video of it.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
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kingwilly34 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone I will say Rener's other videos are fantastic which is why I was very disappointed with what he was showing here. It seemed as if it was a throwback to the original Gracie Academy and Renzo/Kukuk videos where not everything they showed was exactly proper (maybe to keep their edge at the time? I don't know).
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 Better yet, expound on this theory you have that they deliberately taught things wrong to "keep their edge". That's quite an imagination you've got there.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone If you were around in 1994, you'd understand my comment. I thought it was common knowledge the Gracie Academy held things back from their students until other family members (mainly Carlson) began showing more to theirs. In order to stay competitive, Gracie Academy had to stop keeping things secret). They tried doing the same thing in America (if you don't learn from history, it will repeat itself). If you don't believe me, go to the Underground forum and ask Chris Brennan.
kingwilly34 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 You make such wonderful assumptions. I had my first lessons in GJJ in 1994 with Steve Maxwell in Philadelphia. I was in the instructor certification program at the Torrance academy in 1998-99. There is a marked difference between holding back certain things and not showing it properly. I even noted a difference between the Renzo-Kukuk vids and those from the academy even then. One set (academy) worked and one set didn't (Renzo and Kukuk).
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@kingwilly34 Why this was had more to do with teaching method than technique, one set being taught in combinations and one set being taught without that connective tissue. Bottom line, I've used this against bigger, stronger opponents and made it work. Maybe you just don't understand it. Try watching it again and paying attention.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
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rOnLuVshe 1 year ago
What about from side mount?
sab101 1 year ago 2
@sab101
I wanted to ask the same thing!
TRAltermatt 1 year ago
@6xstringxsamurai,
i got jumped by 5 guys a few years back in highschool and walked away victorious. So it DOES happen but is HIGHLY unikely, which is why i would agree with your sprinting strategy haha. I unfortunately just didn't have that option that day
felixdamajiccat 1 year ago
@felixdamajiccat When you say "victorious" what do you mean?
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone When I say victorious I mean I won the fight. I obviously took some shots in the fight. But I gave one of the guys a fat hematoma on his forehead. 2 of the guys had black eyes. And I knocked one of them out. One guy got away without a scratch unfortunately :-/, but they ended up backing away and quitting the fight not me. I don't even know how it happened, I don't try to be a hardass and mouth off or anything. Was just in the wrong place at the wrong time I guess
felixdamajiccat 11 months ago
@felixdamajiccat Sounds more like THEY were in the wrong place and time.
MrMZaccone 11 months ago
@MrMZaccone haha
felixdamajiccat 11 months ago
Great instruction!
masondarko 1 year ago
i train in shaolin kung fu, but if im in surrounded, im gettin my ass outta there
MattEnjoi 2 years ago
It's very important to have a ground game, since most fight ocurr between just two guys, and also there are a lot of useful chokes in bjj that can make your life and fight way easier,but i know apreciate a good striking skill,i cross train with boxing but shaoling kung seems interesting, unfortunately we don't have a lot of Kung Fu schools here in Brazil, in matters of striking, Karate and specially Muay thai are the thing.
masondarko 1 year ago
@MattEnjoi
good idea my friend.
skemeB34 1 year ago
Thank Rener, I seem to catch people in the Americana form side mount since they cant roll me, any counters from there?
Thanks again
Eddie
JiuJitsuChannel 2 years ago 7
The best style for multiple attackers hands down is: SPRINTING!! Run your ass off and don't look back!!! I grew up on the Southeast side of Chicago in the early 90's AKA the Gangsta Rap era....I have faced multiple attackers on more than one occasion....and in the real world....the guy in the middle of the circle loses EVERY time!!! this isn't the fucking movies. You do not drop someone with just a couple hits to "vulnerable" areas....Get real.
6XstringXsamurai 2 years ago 53
6Xstring,
this is so true..I train in Aikido but I believe that the techniques are just their to give you openings for escape. Once you have it, SPRINT! Its very seldom that I see intelligent comments. Your comment is one of them. Thanks a lot.
CBSUAadventures 2 years ago 2
@6XstringXsamurai
amen I grew up in similar environment and more times then not when a group of guys want what you have your best chance is to just get the hell out of there not every one Bruce Lee
mpcc2022 2 years ago
Apparently you know nothing about "systema".
crazybanshee74 2 years ago
@6XstringXsamurai So, we should get some classes from Usain Bolt: "How to run as hell?".
kokyjabn 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai hahahaha i like that, "the guy in the middle loses every time! this isn't the fuckin movies". so true.
anthonyS10 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai Exactly. good you know wats up. no martial art is suited for multiple attackers. but gjj is the best for 1v1
thedoc56 1 year ago
@thedoc56 well i would say that no martial arts except maybee aikido and kungfu is suited for multiply attacks! all martial arts are suited for 1 vs 1 combat! if a judoka meets a kungfu fighter that doesn't mean that the judoka will win ;)
takidabossen 1 year ago
@takidabossen haha mulitply? okay jackiechan. nope. if a gjj fighter meets either he'll win
thedoc56 1 year ago
@thedoc56 lol it depends alot what grade they are on! for an example there is no gaurantee that a boxer wins against a beginner judokan!
takidabossen 1 year ago
@takidabossen a Judoka has a much better center of gravity/base than kung-fu fighter. Half of the lifetime of a judoka is spent on trying to balance off his opponent, thus that means any judoka practices non-stop on how to keep standing (just like any wrestler or Sambo player). Judo is excellent for multiple attackers but ONLY in close range combat. Striking art (kung-fu, karate, kickboxing, etc) is excellent in multiple attacks defense as well ... but through long range.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@pcjudosambo yes! but what i meant was that i belivie that very few martial arts are good for multiple opponents. the most martial arts are most suitable for 1 vs 1 situations! but im only speaking out of my own experience and knowledge! It is after all only my own belifes.
takidabossen 1 year ago
@takidabossen that's absolutely respectful, you have every right to believe that.
pcjudosambo 1 year ago
@takidabossen Aikido and Kung Fu CLAIM to be suited to multiple attackers. Try it some time with some kind of realism attached to it, you'll realize it's all bullshit. All you need are multiple attackers, more than one of whom have decided to grab you and drag you to the ground and you're pretty much fucked. The best that can be hoped for is escape and evasion ... period.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@MrMZaccone i am not sure i understood what you meant now? maybee you can explain your point?
takidabossen 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai word, live to fight another day
TerribleOne718 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai And keep it real. Well said.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai haha great comment.
kappkids 1 year ago
@6XstringXsamurai
Keeping it real!
coal1987 10 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai Groin hits?
ticosexy22 9 months ago
@ticosexy22 I agree that groin shots hurt A LOT, but not enough to incapacitate someone. Think about the UFC, those fighters get accidentally kicked in the groin all the time, by professional fighters might I add, and continue fighting.
6XstringXsamurai 9 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai They use genital protection, imagine a single shot there
ticosexy22 9 months ago
@ticosexy22 I don't have to imagine it. I've been kneed really hard or had someone's shin crush my nuts while passing guard a bunch of times. It hurts a lot. but with the adrenaline going through your body, and your brain in "fight mode". - it won't stop someone. Think about it, you're basically saying that if you got into a fight with anyone, all they would have to do is hit your nuts and you'd lose just like that?
6XstringXsamurai 9 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai I Yeah whatever man, hope you have fun trying to armbar somebody on the streets
ticosexy22 9 months ago
@ticosexy22 you can try it but theres no sub ,you crank 100% to try and break it,then get top position and continue to pound if needed.I would always either choke or strike from top if there was no friends around.
scarred10 9 months ago
@ticosexy22 Do you really think anyone learns Jiu Jitsu (or any martial art for that matter) with the intention of winning street fights?
Learning Jiu Jitsu is going to help you IF you are in a fight and it goes to the ground. It isn't for breaking bums arms on the weekend. If you read the top comment, you would have known that they say you should run from a group fight situation. How many fights happen without alcohol being involved?
57worldwide 9 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai I agree. What do you mean by "the guy in the middle of the circle loses every time" though?
Gumbi1012 8 months ago
@Gumbi1012 in my experience, when you get jumped by multiple attackers, they don't come at you one at a time like the movies. They all come at you at once. There is no way to block 15 simultaneous blows. And in a matter of seconds they basically form a circle around you and punch, kick, and stomp your guts out. I'm glad you agree! Even if someone happened to knock one of the dudes out, at that exact moment they're getting hit by, let's say 4 or 5 people at the same time!! It's simple math to me.
6XstringXsamurai 8 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai Sorry, I thought by "middle of the circle" you were referring to the attackers! lol Well in a 5+ plus situation you're really screwed. I would be confident in my ability vs 3 or less, though. (Depending on the exact situation)
Gumbi1012 8 months ago
@6XstringXsamurai well said. That's why the "real life superheroes" that dress up in costumes and try to make neighborhoods a better place practice parkour, this way they can escape, because they know they don't stand achance against multiple attackers.
MmaNcovers 6 months ago
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6XstringXsamurai 2 years ago 2
hahaha i love Gracie Garages. I'm going to start up my own. Everyone invited!
Garethtkd 2 years ago 2
If he reaches his opposite hand across to defend the Americana, can't you move to an front-side arm triangle on either arm or a Brabo choke on either side.
AndrewOwenWaldo 2 years ago
Awesome! Thanks Renner. Great detail as usual.
nadzpower 2 years ago
Anthony looked extremely nervous!
sad18240 2 years ago
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chimar0 2 years ago 2
i would say two better ways of countering, first, when he locks the arm, just roll to the right, where he has no hands and legs for keeping the balance. So yes, i actually think that the hook works against him at this point, he should use his other hook also.
And second counter attack is to stretch your arm straight when he has landed his elbow to the ground, then go straight to arm triangle, and finish it by rolling to right side and movin to side control.
Sakrich 2 years ago
very useful tip for someone like me who is lightweight and usually matched up against people at least 10-15 kg heavier than me.
waldomarek 2 years ago
I love jiu jitsu but it kinda seem's like iis the ultimate martial 1vs1 but would be completely useless against more than one person were as a karate black belt would own 2 people i guess if you were to get a choke or arm lock on one guy and break his arm or choke him out it may freak out the rest into running but idk.
Tony007corp 2 years ago
@Tony007corp
As a Karate Black Belt I can tell you that if you cant fight on the ground in a multiple man situation you probably wont survive long. If nothing else you need to have the skill to get back up quickly. Just my observation but most Karate guys (not all) wouldnt survive a multiple attacker situation anyway since so many of them dont train to fight realistically, they only train against other Karate guys.
cuzz63 2 years ago
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Robert Drysdale would destroy any Gracie
Obobbyss 2 years ago
Not Roger
tinydb84 2 years ago 6
That could be true but the reputation of the Gracie's is not so much that they are the best fighters in the world but more that they're the reason we have BJJ in U.S.A and other countries also They're the reason we have the UFC not to mention the traditional garage to huge business story they have.
Tony007corp 2 years ago
I wouldn't say ANY Gracie, but Drysdale is definitely talented.
sad18240 2 years ago
@Obobbyss Wow he could probably get really famous doing that. I wonder why he hasn't thought of it? Maybe you should go tell him or become his manager or something. Either that or go suck his dick, which is what it sounds like you'd like to do anyway.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
wow your so hot
Prankzter4 2 years ago
thank you for sharing such an amazing art!!
fatmelonn 2 years ago 4
awesome demonstration, and your Gracie Gi is bad ass.
luvit579 2 years ago
8:30 haha
GJJalltheway 2 years ago 2
hahaha love the ryron cut-in, he's so cool, did a couple private lessons with him, both him and rener are great teachers :D keep it up guys (and thanks for the counter)
lightningmunk 2 years ago 2
indeed.
Diatonic135 2 years ago
Great Vid & Tips! Nice work there Rener as always! -Kind Regards- Chavamma
chavamma 2 years ago
I teach the amaricana/ bent arm bar durring combatives. It will be nice to add these defences because this seems to be the only sub they try. That and the nutcracker.
joebro82 2 years ago
ahahahahaha he pauses like he's all amazed when he says "... If he does get under" in 7:25
SlugDropsonheads 2 years ago
I'm such a douche!
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