You would have loved it sunday, lay preacher Alan jeffreys quoted TD Jakes lol, tbh if you realy sat down with alot of these "floaters" youd be shocked what there into, richard harris quotes benny hinn for example lol..
Bro, people these days don't even CARE about vetting them. We live in a "post-modern" age according to society, where everyone is right, and "who are we to judge".
These days, you can no longer call a spade a spade, without getting a backlash.
You know me as well as I do, that I COULDN'T GIVE A TOSS what other people think of my criticisms. lol :-P
@doctorh2005 if our faith was a shampoo its would be pears "soap" lol tears before bed time... these jokers are more like jasmin and moonflower zesty :P
that verse about all scripture being God breathed; though i agree with you 100% i dont like how people never take the couple of lines before that, that say that Timothy has been familiar with the ancient writings from a child.. ancient writings? thats about the Law, obviously. I just think its the wrong verse to use for the N.T. being Scripture thats all, not at all meaning that they arnt scripture, just the wrong verse. 2 Tim 3:15
@doctorh2005 Yes i do mean Sacred or Holy sorry.Still talking about the Law though.
Proof for the NT being scripture is in their connection to the Apostles or to those under Apostolic supervision, the only letter to get in purely on the weight of what it says was the book of Hebrews. The Church used some other Books, that made complete sense to the early Church leaders and almost made the canon ( Shepherd of Hermas, didache ect)but there authors couldnt be connected to the Apostles.
@doctorh2005 I noticed that, with Paul at least "Word" is almost always "Logos" reason. Which i find interesting. In Hebrews , E.S.V. anyway, 4:13 it says of the Word "no one is hidden from his sight" which is about a person. Im for both Jesus as the "Word", in the Logos sense and in the "rhema" way the word is perfect anyway ...but hey, whatever the Apostles and the wroter of Hebrews said : )
Anyway, by saying that the literal word that is "alive" and characterized by"discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" wouldnt you be adding another perfect, as the Holy Spirit breathed Rhema is, hypostasis to God ? or saying that "it's" some kind of an angel?
The literal word cannot "act" unless it is "alive" and if it was "alive AND perfect", it would be a fourth part to The Trinity. No, Jesus is the Word of God in hebrews 4:13
Bro, the Word I'm talking about, and the "Word" specifically mentioned in HEBREWS 4:12 is not Jesus Christ at all - trust me. HEBREWS 4:12 is talking about God's "EFFECATIOUS" or "EFFECTUAL" Word - (look up the word "powerful" in the KJV+ on esword). Its the Word that comes out of His mouth specifically to "REGENERATE A PERSON TO SALVATION".
His Word is made effectual "by" the Holy Spirit.
The word "quick" or "quickening" is the same thing as "life-GIVING".
@doctorh2005 Just a traditional view, was very much Logos theology in the early centuries A.D.. Tbh i think Luther was trying to return to that, he still held on to baptizing infants, some sacramentals and real presense which is very Apostolic Father-ish. I know in Hebrews every time the OT is quoted the God the HolySpirit is cited as the author (God breathed) , great book lol maybe one day ill read the others :P
/// The literal word cannot "act" unless it is "alive" and if it was "alive AND perfect", ///
Peter said to Christ "You have the words of eternal life". God's words certainly are "alive" - to those who are being sanctified - those who are regenerated. The reason His words are alive is because its God directly "speaking", and they are applied to God's elect by the Holy Spirit.
If someone says "The Bible IS God", they are no far from understanding it.
And concerning God's "effectual/effecatious" grace or Word, you will never heard that mentioned in Blaenau Gwent - I was speaking to Bob once about Calvinism and what he thought of it... he specifically told me that he doesnt believe in it because it teaches "effecatious/effectual" grace. He's dead against it - obviously because he's into "Free Will" and not God's "Irresistable Grace".
The word "effectual" is one of the most important words in Reformed Theology.
Subjectivity is mere personal "opinion". Tell me - what if someone tells you THEY had a "personal experience" that was different from yours? How do you tell which one is true/more truer than the other? Without an "objective" basis, you COULDN'T!
God reveals Himself to us THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES - which are His inspired revelation to mankind. There is no other revelation.
@doctorh2005 Well if an alien came to this planet and said he was going to KILL anyone who couldn't prove thier belief system...how would you do it?
Your arguments are way, way, way beyond childish, and at least a child has an excuse.
You tell me The Bible is the word of God, but that is what the muslim says about the Korn, and you have no better evidence of what you say then they do.
Look who's talikng about subjectivity, holy shit! STFU you retard.
/// You tell me The Bible is the word of God, but that is what the muslim says about the Korn. Look who's talikng about subjectivity ///
Theres no subjectivity in what I said chump.
The reason the muslims say that about their Koran (or anyone else) is because God is giving them over to believe lies. Whereas God leads His chosen people to the Truth. Its not up to me to prove the Bible is the Word of God, but rather to proclaim it. The Holy Spirit does the convincing.
And as for "subjectivity", the Bible is not "subjective", but rather "OBjective". It is axiom and absolute. The reason for that is that it is a standard/rule EXTERNAL to the thoughts and opinions of man.
In fact, everything in this world must be measured and judged by God's holy infallible Word - even the thoughts and intentions of man.
Richard Dawkins and his ilk cannot change the truthfulness of God's Word anymore than a blind person cause the sun to disappear.
@doctorh2005 If you cant prove it is an objective fact that the bible is the word of God than you have no right to say it. No right at all. You cant have one rule for the bible and another set of rules for every other book.
@doctorh2005 Equivocation is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense. You are attacking the presentation of my argument to artfully deek out of address it's substance.
The religious are the masters of using subterfuge, sleight of hand, and obfuscation in order to stave off any attacks that force them to face up to the illogic of their belief systems. In other words...fight like a man or run like a sissy!
@doctorh2005 Alright zombie...lets try this one more time:
IF I held up a Siderman comic and said "It proves itself, therefore Spiderman is real" then people would call me a liar and a fool, so why should you get to claim that your gruesome little book of fairy-tales and shilling-schockers proves itself?
How does something prove itself? Why do you fundies always concoct such rubbishy bullshit?
Here...I'll make a spelming mistake ...now you have something real to attack me with.
/// why should you get to claim that your gruesome little book of fairy-tales and shilling-schockers proves itself? ///
Thats the fallacy of "Begging the Question" LOL! - you "presume" that its all fairytales in order to ask why I get to claim etc - hence why you said "fairytales".
In order to say that, you have to first substantiate the claim that its all "fairytales", and THEN move on to ask me why I should "get to claim...blah blah blah"
If you're gna criticise a book, you read it first.
Read it from cover to cover analysing it for what it actually says by itself.... and THEN come to me with your allegations against it, but until then, don't bother.
I myself wouldnt attack the Koran or any other book without reading them first - not even Dawkins' book, "The God Delusion".
@HedgehogRebellion The Bible is all we have on this planet... there are no lies, as Paul says, he doesnt preach a Gospel that suits man...the entire thing is the Revelation of Jesus Christ as our Lord and our God ( not just the book of that name}. After 5 years of studying i can honestly save you alot of time by saying, the Bible wont affirm what a great person you are but its your only way to know Him, thats what it is there for.
@Jesusisthetreeoflife Yeah but if you want to understand the will of our Creator one has no more to do than walk around, look at the world, and use the intelligence God gave you to begin to understand.SO is the bible all we have? No, I would argue that it is not.
I've actually spent a while studying itself, ans I found:
Talking snakes
Talking donkeys
Bears attacking teenagers on command
God smearing dung in people's faces....so...no thank you.
Actually, the Bible IS all we have, concerning God's truth given to man. And it is more than sufficient to meet our every need.
There are no revelations given to men today as were given during the Apostolic Era. The gifts of prophecy and tongues and Apostleship have ceased.
Therefore if you are seeking a word from God other than in His holy Word, given to men, the Scriptures, you are seeking a spirit that is not the Holy Spirit.
/// I've actually spent a while studying itself, ans I found: Talking snakes, Talking donkeys, Bears attacking teenagers on command... ///
From those words, and my own experience of web-surfing, you have clearly been looking for advice from atheist websites that purpose to show so-called "contradictions" in the Bible.
There are no contradictions.
Read the Bible for what it is, and not from the "skeptics annotated" version.
@HedgehogRebellion King Herod was called a sly fox by Jesus, that might help you with the identity of the "serpent" in the Garden. Not everything is as it seems, we are so often pigs, dogs and so on because of how we act. Read the book of Barnabus (highly respected in the early Church, almost included in the N.T.) The root Hebrew word for that serpent talks of a brilliant shining Angel, that obviously "acted" like a snake. We were made for a purpose, we are not animals
@HedgehogRebellion then there wouldnt realy be any need for Jesus to die, if its just about recognizing and praising God for creation. There is no other way to know "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ" than through his life death and ressurection. Well if you wish to "follow him". This is just "normal" Christianity.Now the Word of God was inspired by the Spirit and has revealed all this to us so we have the right Christ from the right time and the right lineage. In Christ alone
@HedgehogRebellionwe dont need to prove anything, God can do that himself... if he wants, thats the key to it all, its up to him who he has mercy on, who he will reveal his son to through his word.
@Jesusisthetreeoflife To say that your line of reasoning is childish is an insult to children...at least a 5 year old has an excuse for believing in bullshit.
@HedgehogRebellion Well, thats the Faith, i dont believe ive mis-represented anything.. that is ancient Christianity, oh and the Bible does say that these things will be foolishnes to the everyone else, so i guess we All win, this makes perfect sense to us with the Holy Spirit and its beyond foolish to you ...... theres more to life than what you can see....read "Athanasius: on the incarnation" if your serious about the subject
/// ,.I asked you to subpeona God to the witness stand to prove the bible is His word...and then you quote from the bible. ///
He DOES come to the "witness stand", but only to His elect.
Only the elect are regenerated and brought to saving faith and recognition of the Scriptures.
If you don't believe they are the Word of God, it means you are dead, spiritually dead, still under the wrath and condemnation of God, and in need of illumination from the Spirit of God.
when u stand before God and tell him u kept His word (bible) He will tell u i never sent u a book i sent u my Son, and the promised Holy Spirit and u chose a book over ME, so the Holy Spirit was insufficient for the task.........u will then realize the Jesus is the Word of God not the bible hope its not too late
/// when u stand before God and tell him u kept His word (bible) He will tell u i never sent u a book i sent u my Son ///
You can't know anything about the Son without the Scriptures. God reveals Himself to us only through His inspired Word - THE SCRIPTURES.
True, God did send us His Son, but Hebrews says He has spoken to us through His Son, and His words are recorded in the Scriptures - the reason you don't accept that is because you are blind.
Thats a erroneous statement. The only way to know who God is is in the so-called "book". Because the "book" was written BY the Spirit of Christ Himself. The Lord Jesus Christ WROTE the Scriptures! He even said "SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES... for they speak and testify of ME" (JOHN 5:39)
/// so the Holy Spirit was insufficient for the task ///
The Scriptures ARE the words of the Spirit of Christ, and they are FULLY sufficient - read LUKE 16:29!
the book points to the Spirit thats all it does if u stay in the book then you r in dead letter, if u cant burn it or tear it up then its an idol Neshutan what u have is 66 books in your hand and memorized in your head carnal man= 6 which is the number 666 the bible is the mark of the beast now that is revelation from the Spirit not flesh and blood!!!!
/// the book points to the Spirit thats all it does ///
Wrong, the so-called "book" was written BY the Spirit of Christ Himself, and is His very words - it is the only sufficient source of truth for God's people today, regarding all things that God permitted us to know about Him and His eternal plan of salvation, as there are no more Apostles or Prophets.
/// if u stay in the book then you r in dead letter ///
Actually, if you "go OUTSIDE" of the so-called "book", you are in danger of presumptiously adding to God's words. The Scriptures are the ONLY means of God communicating to us. If you diminish the "book", you diminish the One who wrote it - aka, the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Bible is the ONLY extant revelatory Word of the Living God given to us. We are to expect no other, and dismiss all "others" as a delusion.
hello dh2005 it is good that u know the history book called the bible, but if u r going to quote statements like 2 tim 3:16 u must first realize that the word IS was not in the original text, it was put in by the editors read the front of your bible it will state that all words in italics were NOT in the original text, therefore changing the meaning to all scripture given by God at that moment not the whole thing to be appropriated as you wish thats iniquity....who has known the mind of God...
The context of the verse clearly demands that "is" be put there.
/// changing the meaning to all scripture given by God at that moment ///
So you're replacing "is" with "at the moment" are you?? On what grounds? I'd say theres more evidence in the passage to support "is" than your suggestion!
You would have loved it sunday, lay preacher Alan jeffreys quoted TD Jakes lol, tbh if you realy sat down with alot of these "floaters" youd be shocked what there into, richard harris quotes benny hinn for example lol..
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
"floaters" LOL :P love it.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
TD Jakes.... he's a "oneness pentecostal".
He rejects the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
Sorry to say this, but he aint a Christian - in the Biblical sense.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Yeah exactly, no one is vetting the lay preachers lol..there like a bunch of comedians lately
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
Bro, people these days don't even CARE about vetting them. We live in a "post-modern" age according to society, where everyone is right, and "who are we to judge".
These days, you can no longer call a spade a spade, without getting a backlash.
You know me as well as I do, that I COULDN'T GIVE A TOSS what other people think of my criticisms. lol :-P
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
... no wait, scratch that...... I couldnt give a HOSIN DUCK!
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 if our faith was a shampoo its would be pears "soap" lol tears before bed time... these jokers are more like jasmin and moonflower zesty :P
Jesusisthetreeoflife 1 week ago
that verse about all scripture being God breathed; though i agree with you 100% i dont like how people never take the couple of lines before that, that say that Timothy has been familiar with the ancient writings from a child.. ancient writings? thats about the Law, obviously. I just think its the wrong verse to use for the N.T. being Scripture thats all, not at all meaning that they arnt scripture, just the wrong verse. 2 Tim 3:15
Jesusisthetreeoflife 3 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
/// Timothy has been familiar with the ancient writings from a child.. ancient writings ///
Don't you mean "SACRED" writings? - or "Holy Scriptures", as the KJV says.
The Greek word "hieros" never means "ancient", but always "holy" and "sacred".
/// I just think its the wrong verse to use for the N.T. being Scripture thats all ///
For proof of the NT being "Scripture" go to 2PETER 3:15-16. Peter refers to Paul's writings as "the OTHER Scriptures".
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Yes i do mean Sacred or Holy sorry.Still talking about the Law though.
Proof for the NT being scripture is in their connection to the Apostles or to those under Apostolic supervision, the only letter to get in purely on the weight of what it says was the book of Hebrews. The Church used some other Books, that made complete sense to the early Church leaders and almost made the canon ( Shepherd of Hermas, didache ect)but there authors couldnt be connected to the Apostles.
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
The Word became flesh, best verse ever!!!
Jesusisthetreeoflife 1 month ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
/// The Word became flesh, best verse ever!!! ///
Yes Jesus is the Word in John 1, but what was He talking about in John 17... "Thy Word is truth"...... was He talking about Himself there?
doctorh2005 1 month ago
@doctorh2005 I noticed that, with Paul at least "Word" is almost always "Logos" reason. Which i find interesting. In Hebrews , E.S.V. anyway, 4:13 it says of the Word "no one is hidden from his sight" which is about a person. Im for both Jesus as the "Word", in the Logos sense and in the "rhema" way the word is perfect anyway ...but hey, whatever the Apostles and the wroter of Hebrews said : )
Jesusisthetreeoflife 4 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
/// I noticed that, with Paul ///
So only the Apostle Paul is whom we have to listen to... and noone else?
What about the four Gospels? What about also Peter, James, Jude and John? Were they "less inspired" than Paul?
/// In Hebrews , E.S.V. anyway, 4:13 it says of the Word "no one is hidden from his sight" which is about a person. ///
The focus in that verse is not "the word" but "GOD" - the word of GOD.... and noone is hidden from HIS [God's] sight"
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 "with paul, at least".
Anyway, by saying that the literal word that is "alive" and characterized by"discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" wouldnt you be adding another perfect, as the Holy Spirit breathed Rhema is, hypostasis to God ? or saying that "it's" some kind of an angel?
The literal word cannot "act" unless it is "alive" and if it was "alive AND perfect", it would be a fourth part to The Trinity. No, Jesus is the Word of God in hebrews 4:13
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
DYLAN! I didnt know this was you! :-P
Hows it going?
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 i been a busy boy butty! lol :P
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
Bro, the Word I'm talking about, and the "Word" specifically mentioned in HEBREWS 4:12 is not Jesus Christ at all - trust me. HEBREWS 4:12 is talking about God's "EFFECATIOUS" or "EFFECTUAL" Word - (look up the word "powerful" in the KJV+ on esword). Its the Word that comes out of His mouth specifically to "REGENERATE A PERSON TO SALVATION".
His Word is made effectual "by" the Holy Spirit.
The word "quick" or "quickening" is the same thing as "life-GIVING".
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Just a traditional view, was very much Logos theology in the early centuries A.D.. Tbh i think Luther was trying to return to that, he still held on to baptizing infants, some sacramentals and real presense which is very Apostolic Father-ish. I know in Hebrews every time the OT is quoted the God the HolySpirit is cited as the author (God breathed) , great book lol maybe one day ill read the others :P
Jesusisthetreeoflife 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
/// The literal word cannot "act" unless it is "alive" and if it was "alive AND perfect", ///
Peter said to Christ "You have the words of eternal life". God's words certainly are "alive" - to those who are being sanctified - those who are regenerated. The reason His words are alive is because its God directly "speaking", and they are applied to God's elect by the Holy Spirit.
If someone says "The Bible IS God", they are no far from understanding it.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
And concerning God's "effectual/effecatious" grace or Word, you will never heard that mentioned in Blaenau Gwent - I was speaking to Bob once about Calvinism and what he thought of it... he specifically told me that he doesnt believe in it because it teaches "effecatious/effectual" grace. He's dead against it - obviously because he's into "Free Will" and not God's "Irresistable Grace".
The word "effectual" is one of the most important words in Reformed Theology.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife
Btw, where does it say in Scripture that Jesus is the Tree of Life? :-)
doctorh2005 1 month ago
Can you get God up on the witness stand to testify that He commisioned this book? Im afraid His admission is the only evidence I will accept.
HedgehogRebellion 1 month ago
@HedgehogRebellion
Of course...
2TIMOTHY 3:16....
All Scripture (everything written down by the Apostles/Prophets) is BREATHED OUT BY GOD,"
also
"What I write is a COMMAND OF THE LORD" (1COR.14:37)
The Lord Jesus said to John... "WRITE THIS IN A BOOK"...
enough said!
doctorh2005 1 month ago
@doctorh2005 Well,.I asked you to subpeona God to the witness stand to prove the bible is His word...and then you quote from the bible.
By your logic I can prove Doctor Doom is real by quoting a Spider Man comic.
I believe in God thru personal experience...but that does not mean I have the right to tell people things I cannot prove.
HedgehogRebellion 1 month ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// I believe in God thru personal experience ///
Personal experience is merely "subjective".
Subjectivity is mere personal "opinion". Tell me - what if someone tells you THEY had a "personal experience" that was different from yours? How do you tell which one is true/more truer than the other? Without an "objective" basis, you COULDN'T!
God reveals Himself to us THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES - which are His inspired revelation to mankind. There is no other revelation.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Well if an alien came to this planet and said he was going to KILL anyone who couldn't prove thier belief system...how would you do it?
Your arguments are way, way, way beyond childish, and at least a child has an excuse.
You tell me The Bible is the word of God, but that is what the muslim says about the Korn, and you have no better evidence of what you say then they do.
Look who's talikng about subjectivity, holy shit! STFU you retard.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// You tell me The Bible is the word of God, but that is what the muslim says about the Korn. Look who's talikng about subjectivity ///
Theres no subjectivity in what I said chump.
The reason the muslims say that about their Koran (or anyone else) is because God is giving them over to believe lies. Whereas God leads His chosen people to the Truth. Its not up to me to prove the Bible is the Word of God, but rather to proclaim it. The Holy Spirit does the convincing.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
And as for "subjectivity", the Bible is not "subjective", but rather "OBjective". It is axiom and absolute. The reason for that is that it is a standard/rule EXTERNAL to the thoughts and opinions of man.
In fact, everything in this world must be measured and judged by God's holy infallible Word - even the thoughts and intentions of man.
Richard Dawkins and his ilk cannot change the truthfulness of God's Word anymore than a blind person cause the sun to disappear.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 If you cant prove it is an objective fact that the bible is the word of God than you have no right to say it. No right at all. You cant have one rule for the bible and another set of rules for every other book.
I know New York is real.
I know Spiderman lives in New York.
Does that make Spiderman real. You are a fool.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// If you cant prove it is an objective fact that the bible is the word of God than you have no right to say it. No right at all ///
Is that an objective statement you just made, or is it merely subjective?
If you say "objective", prove this "objective" foundation exists
If you say "subjective", its merely your opinion, and YOU have "no right at all" to inforce your opinion upon others.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// I know New York is real.....I know Spiderman lives in New York.///
Thats the fallacy of "equivocation". Lol
Looks like you're the "fool".
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Equivocation is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense. You are attacking the presentation of my argument to artfully deek out of address it's substance.
The religious are the masters of using subterfuge, sleight of hand, and obfuscation in order to stave off any attacks that force them to face up to the illogic of their belief systems. In other words...fight like a man or run like a sissy!
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// Equivocation - the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense///
Yes - mixing "fictional" NewYork, with "real" NewYork - a FINE example of Equivocation.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// The religious are the masters of using subterfuge, sleight of hand, ///
Hahahaha, and mixing "fictional" NewYork with "real" NewYork isnt "sleight of hand"???
Numchuck!
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 Alright zombie...lets try this one more time:
IF I held up a Siderman comic and said "It proves itself, therefore Spiderman is real" then people would call me a liar and a fool, so why should you get to claim that your gruesome little book of fairy-tales and shilling-schockers proves itself?
How does something prove itself? Why do you fundies always concoct such rubbishy bullshit?
Here...I'll make a spelming mistake ...now you have something real to attack me with.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// IF I held up a Siderman comic and said "It proves itself, therefore Spiderman is real" ///
I'd then ask you "WHERE does it say that?"
The Bible is different. Everything it says about man, creation, sin and the human conscience is true.
No other book in human history matches the magnitude of what it says.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// why should you get to claim that your gruesome little book of fairy-tales and shilling-schockers proves itself? ///
Thats the fallacy of "Begging the Question" LOL! - you "presume" that its all fairytales in order to ask why I get to claim etc - hence why you said "fairytales".
In order to say that, you have to first substantiate the claim that its all "fairytales", and THEN move on to ask me why I should "get to claim...blah blah blah"
Fallacious fellow arent you!
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// How does something prove itself? ///
Have you actually READ it?
You portray the fact that you clearly havent!
Unlike you, I actually READ a book before criticising it.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
@doctorh2005 How does reading it enable it to prove itself?
HedgehogRebellion 1 week ago
@HedgehogRebellion
If you're gna criticise a book, you read it first.
Read it from cover to cover analysing it for what it actually says by itself.... and THEN come to me with your allegations against it, but until then, don't bother.
I myself wouldnt attack the Koran or any other book without reading them first - not even Dawkins' book, "The God Delusion".
I respectfully expect you to do the same.
doctorh2005 1 week ago
@doctorh2005
Lets say I find a citation in the bible that says that it is the true word of God.
OK...how do I know that the citation is the word of God?
This is the pathway to Infinite Regress, a logical fallacy.
Can you show me one single fact NOT found in the bible that proves it is the word of God? Yes or No!
HedgehogRebellion 1 week ago
@HedgehogRebellion The Bible is all we have on this planet... there are no lies, as Paul says, he doesnt preach a Gospel that suits man...the entire thing is the Revelation of Jesus Christ as our Lord and our God ( not just the book of that name}. After 5 years of studying i can honestly save you alot of time by saying, the Bible wont affirm what a great person you are but its your only way to know Him, thats what it is there for.
Jesus is and always has been our God, faith.
Jesusisthetreeoflife 1 week ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife Yeah but if you want to understand the will of our Creator one has no more to do than walk around, look at the world, and use the intelligence God gave you to begin to understand.SO is the bible all we have? No, I would argue that it is not.
I've actually spent a while studying itself, ans I found:
Talking snakes
Talking donkeys
Bears attacking teenagers on command
God smearing dung in people's faces....so...no thank you.
HedgehogRebellion 1 week ago
@HedgehogRebellion
Actually, the Bible IS all we have, concerning God's truth given to man. And it is more than sufficient to meet our every need.
There are no revelations given to men today as were given during the Apostolic Era. The gifts of prophecy and tongues and Apostleship have ceased.
Therefore if you are seeking a word from God other than in His holy Word, given to men, the Scriptures, you are seeking a spirit that is not the Holy Spirit.
doctorh2005 1 week ago
/// I've actually spent a while studying itself, ans I found: Talking snakes, Talking donkeys, Bears attacking teenagers on command... ///
From those words, and my own experience of web-surfing, you have clearly been looking for advice from atheist websites that purpose to show so-called "contradictions" in the Bible.
There are no contradictions.
Read the Bible for what it is, and not from the "skeptics annotated" version.
doctorh2005 1 week ago
@doctorh2005 I can tell from your response you watch Shrek too much bcuz thats the only time Ive ever seen a talking donkey outside of the bible.
I can also tell you've never taken Zoololgy as snakes do not have vocal chords.
Look at reality for what it is, not filtered thru the belief system propogated by wandering bronze-age hooligans.
HedgehogRebellion 1 week ago
@HedgehogRebellion King Herod was called a sly fox by Jesus, that might help you with the identity of the "serpent" in the Garden. Not everything is as it seems, we are so often pigs, dogs and so on because of how we act. Read the book of Barnabus (highly respected in the early Church, almost included in the N.T.) The root Hebrew word for that serpent talks of a brilliant shining Angel, that obviously "acted" like a snake. We were made for a purpose, we are not animals
Jesusisthetreeoflife 5 days ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife OK...please don't go to law school
HedgehogRebellion 4 days ago
@HedgehogRebellion then there wouldnt realy be any need for Jesus to die, if its just about recognizing and praising God for creation. There is no other way to know "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ" than through his life death and ressurection. Well if you wish to "follow him". This is just "normal" Christianity.Now the Word of God was inspired by the Spirit and has revealed all this to us so we have the right Christ from the right time and the right lineage. In Christ alone
Jesusisthetreeoflife 5 days ago
@HedgehogRebellion Christ is the "image/icon of the invisible God" not creation
Jesusisthetreeoflife 5 days ago
@HedgehogRebellionwe dont need to prove anything, God can do that himself... if he wants, thats the key to it all, its up to him who he has mercy on, who he will reveal his son to through his word.
Jesusisthetreeoflife 5 days ago
@Jesusisthetreeoflife To say that your line of reasoning is childish is an insult to children...at least a 5 year old has an excuse for believing in bullshit.
HedgehogRebellion 5 days ago
@HedgehogRebellion Well, thats the Faith, i dont believe ive mis-represented anything.. that is ancient Christianity, oh and the Bible does say that these things will be foolishnes to the everyone else, so i guess we All win, this makes perfect sense to us with the Holy Spirit and its beyond foolish to you ...... theres more to life than what you can see....read "Athanasius: on the incarnation" if your serious about the subject
Jesusisthetreeoflife 5 days ago
@HedgehogRebellion
/// ,.I asked you to subpeona God to the witness stand to prove the bible is His word...and then you quote from the bible. ///
He DOES come to the "witness stand", but only to His elect.
Only the elect are regenerated and brought to saving faith and recognition of the Scriptures.
If you don't believe they are the Word of God, it means you are dead, spiritually dead, still under the wrath and condemnation of God, and in need of illumination from the Spirit of God.
doctorh2005 2 weeks ago
when u stand before God and tell him u kept His word (bible) He will tell u i never sent u a book i sent u my Son, and the promised Holy Spirit and u chose a book over ME, so the Holy Spirit was insufficient for the task.........u will then realize the Jesus is the Word of God not the bible hope its not too late
lex7100 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// when u stand before God and tell him u kept His word (bible) He will tell u i never sent u a book i sent u my Son ///
You can't know anything about the Son without the Scriptures. God reveals Himself to us only through His inspired Word - THE SCRIPTURES.
True, God did send us His Son, but Hebrews says He has spoken to us through His Son, and His words are recorded in the Scriptures - the reason you don't accept that is because you are blind.
doctorh2005 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// and u chose a book over ME ///
Thats a erroneous statement. The only way to know who God is is in the so-called "book". Because the "book" was written BY the Spirit of Christ Himself. The Lord Jesus Christ WROTE the Scriptures! He even said "SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES... for they speak and testify of ME" (JOHN 5:39)
/// so the Holy Spirit was insufficient for the task ///
The Scriptures ARE the words of the Spirit of Christ, and they are FULLY sufficient - read LUKE 16:29!
doctorh2005 2 months ago
the book points to the Spirit thats all it does if u stay in the book then you r in dead letter, if u cant burn it or tear it up then its an idol Neshutan what u have is 66 books in your hand and memorized in your head carnal man= 6 which is the number 666 the bible is the mark of the beast now that is revelation from the Spirit not flesh and blood!!!!
lex7100 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// the book points to the Spirit thats all it does ///
Wrong, the so-called "book" was written BY the Spirit of Christ Himself, and is His very words - it is the only sufficient source of truth for God's people today, regarding all things that God permitted us to know about Him and His eternal plan of salvation, as there are no more Apostles or Prophets.
It is more than a "book"
doctorh2005 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// if u stay in the book then you r in dead letter ///
Actually, if you "go OUTSIDE" of the so-called "book", you are in danger of presumptiously adding to God's words. The Scriptures are the ONLY means of God communicating to us. If you diminish the "book", you diminish the One who wrote it - aka, the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Bible is the ONLY extant revelatory Word of the Living God given to us. We are to expect no other, and dismiss all "others" as a delusion.
doctorh2005 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// what u have is 66 books in your hand and memorized in your head carnal man= 6 which is the number 666 the bible is the mark of the beast ///
I think you've been watching too many sci-fi movies!
doctorh2005 2 months ago
hello dh2005 it is good that u know the history book called the bible, but if u r going to quote statements like 2 tim 3:16 u must first realize that the word IS was not in the original text, it was put in by the editors read the front of your bible it will state that all words in italics were NOT in the original text, therefore changing the meaning to all scripture given by God at that moment not the whole thing to be appropriated as you wish thats iniquity....who has known the mind of God...
lex7100 2 months ago
@lex7100
/// the word IS was not in the original text, ///
The context of the verse clearly demands that "is" be put there.
/// changing the meaning to all scripture given by God at that moment ///
So you're replacing "is" with "at the moment" are you?? On what grounds? I'd say theres more evidence in the passage to support "is" than your suggestion!
doctorh2005 2 months ago
Great video!
SmolyHoax 2 months ago
Sounds like you're refuting that neo-orthodoxy junk from Karl Barth.
HoParoikos 2 months ago
Amen!
BaptistPrayer 2 months ago