the reason I respect Leonard more than Mayweather is...SRL was in superfights like this at age 24. He lost, but he tried. Floyd is saving the superfights for retirement. Say what you will about Leonard, but he fought everyone.
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque because of his horribly swollen face. The article said SRL's doctor also suspected internal bleeding.
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque because of his horribly swollen face. The article said SRL's doctor was concerned about internal bleeding.
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque!
SRL was the Oscar de la Hoya of the 80's. He was all about Showmanship and not about pride. SRL and ODLH never gave rematches after they won. Benitez and Hagler deserved a rematch!! That's why Carma is a bitch! SRL got K.O. by Macho Camacho and ODLH got K.O. by the midget call PACMAN!!!
PAQUIAO is NO JOKE! Paquiao also knocked out that clown Miguel Cotto. I enjoyed watching that one, I was going for MANNY PAQUIAO while in a bar full of Latinos. Great fight!
And yes Oscar de la HOYO is a B!TCH! Never rematched tough opponents. It was great to watch PAQUIAO AND MAYWEATHER beat him.
i still don't know how they gave this fight to duran. sugar ray nailed him repeatedly with squeaky clean punches while duran just pushed and pushed and threw nary a punch. it was a bullshit decision.
Exactly. All I know is that there were five great fighters during that era; sugar ray, hagler, duran, hearns, benitez. each one of those guys whipped duran and sugar ray whipped each one of them. sugar was king.
lol, Leonard never whipped any of them, best he could manage was a few narrow or controversial wins, and he never rematched his wins when it would have counted. Duran whipped the Sugar out of Ray when it mattered. All Ray did was run like a scalded cat and stick his tongue out. I don't count dubious TKOs over Benitez and Hearns, or a scabby split over old man Hagler either.
Not a patch on the real Sugar Ray, or the real Leonard.
Or maybe you can look at the fighters at the end of the fight to see who was still fighting in the 15th, and who was beaten down and needed peace and mercy. Duran lost the late rounds. If he was so dominating, and doing so much damage, how is this so? He yielded miserably the last round. Also, you can hear the body shots. Leonard landed so many of them. Duran landed some too of course, but, again, look at the result to see who beat the other down. Duran yielded. Did the ref beat him up?
Just because a guy wins the last round, (which Duran did give away) it doesn't mean you deserve to win the fight. Maybe you also need to watch the fight in slow motion and go to the compu-box numbers. I am a SRL fan and I have to admit, Duran had S. R. Leonard in trouble several times during the fight and SRL had to hold on to survive the rounds as any smart boxer would. Leonard tried to slug with Duran, and Duran turned out to be the aggressor during the fight which was bad strategy.
He had him hurt in the 2nd, but never again. But, let's look at the 2nd. There was half a round left, and Duran couldn't even stagger him again. So, was he that hurt, or was Duran just a bad finisher? He was obviously not a bad finisher.
You're right, the 15th only counts as one round, but it also shows who was taking damage too. Leonard's bodyshots took their toll on Duran, and he easily lost the last two rounds.
Duran still won the MAJORITY of the rounds, that's why he WON the match. It's difficult to say the other guy who YOU were NOT going for won the fight, but like I said, I was going for Leonard and although he won some rounds, I don't think he won the match. He fought Duran's fight and whether you like Duran or not, Duran took it to him the entire fight, Ray HAD to fight off the ropes, he had NO CHOICE. Trading punches with Duran was a BAD idea by Ray Leonard
I agree, it would have been an easier fight. His speed was tremendous that fight. But, also, he learned a lot from the first fight. He shortened his left hook in many instances, and if you watch him on the ropes, he never stands straight up. He angles his body which is why he hammers Duran off the ropes in that fight.
Scoring was bad in that fight too, they had Leonard only slightly ahead. Even Duran knew he was dominated. Weird, weird scoring.
How can you give this fight to leonard? Duran was the effective aggressor, he won the first 4 rounds easy because leonard wasnt doing much. And he controlled the tempo for the rest of the fight always intitiating the exchanges, leonard would have some moments of brilliance in this fight, but for the most part he was getting pounded on the ropes and would occasionally through a pretty flurry doing no real damage to Duran. Duran takes this fight in a well earned decision.
Leonard also got hit with a lot of solid "squeaky-clean" shots by Duran in this fight. I was a Leonard fan during the 80's and after watching this fight again, I can see why Duran won this one. Leonard had to fight him with the STRATEGY he used in their rematch. Leonard's mistake was thinking that he could trade punches with Duran because Duran had to come up in weight to fight Leonard. Leonard thought he was stronger because of that. Tactical error, he fought Duran's fight.
you are correct in saying that leonard fight the wrong fight. i remember this fight clearly in the early eighties and everyone wondering why he fought in a style that was not his at all. i still don't think that the adavantage was duran's anyway but it was very close.
I don't know the squeaky clean shots Duran landed. He landed some for sure, but Leonard landed far more. Duran hit harder though. But, many of Duran's shots were with Leonard riding it, or off his arms. A lot of punches Duran threw were arm punches too. Duran threw fewer punches and still was exhausted at the end and had to give up the last round in a close fight. Funny how no one gives Leonard's body shots any credit for that.
Like I said before, I think YOU SHOULD watch the fight AGAIN in S-L-O-W MOTION. Duran was not an easy target either and he was better than what most people think DEFENSIVELY. The Leonard flurries while on the ropes did not do as much as when you are moving forward and throwing punches. Like Ali vs. Frazier - 1. Ali's flurries while on the ropes were not as damaging as Frazier's body shots.
By the same token, Duran almost never hit Leonard cleanly. Most of his shots he rode, and many were blocked by his arms.
It's not the same was with Ali, because Ali's back was against the ropes many times. Also, Frazier got hit by someone in the ring, hard. Look at his face.
Leonard would spread his legs and throw big shots. Listen for the boom when he hits. Also, what was making Duran's head fly back? Bad breath?
The bodyshots really drained Duran. He couldn't finish fighting.
Are you kidding! Duran hit Leonard cleanly with hard shots throughout the entire fight. To repeat your repetitive line, "what made Leonard's head snap back and stagger, bad breath?!" There were times when they were exchanging clean shots, but Duran did control the tempo for the MAJORITY of the fight. You underestimate Duran's defensive ability cause he was the aggressor during MOST of the fight. Is there a way of getting the compu-box numbers? U R a Die-hard fan of SRL, can't admit defeat.
He didn't snap Leonard's head back that often; most of the time it was Leonard riding his shots. He was taller, and many times Duran's shots weren't very clean.
Leonard would hit him with uppercuts,and Duran's head would move abruptly. That's not how you ride a shot.
If you give a guy a lot for aggression, which I don't, you could favor Duran. I score more on who's landing, not who's charging.
It's a close fight, a lot depends on how you score. I normally favor boxers.
I also favor boxers, that's why I liked Sugar Ray Leonard when he was boxing. You need to watch this fight again buddy, I know that the video is not the clearest but at least give credit where credit is due. I also don't give points for being the aggressor but if your controlling the tempo AND landing punches and giving what your taking in the exchanges, which is what Duran did, then he won. Where can you get the compu-box numbers of this fight? Also, too many people say Duran won this one
I've watched this fight many times, and have the video on VHS which is much cleaner.
You can't go by compubox numbers, because that's just someone else putting in the numbers as they see it. It's not magically right. Of course, it doesn't show who hit harder either.
Most of the people here love Duran and aren't unbiased. Mostly Hispanics, you'll notice. I'm white, I'm not trying to boost a white fighter. Leonard is black. I just think he won.
You MIGHT be UN-biased, or better an American fighter win than a Latin American, I don't know. Now you say you can't go by compu-box numbers? I just think that it also helps as an indicator to who did what. BERT SUGAR said Duran beat Leonard in the first fight. But then again, what does he know? LOL! No bias there huh? I'll check out this fight in a clearer video than this one and I might change my mind. Muhammad Ali's decision to refuse military service, what do you think?
I agree with you about Bert Sugar. He's a buffoon. He's wrong so often with his predictions, it's amazing people still listen to him, but, you know how it is, he's a publisher so people assume he's an authority figure.
Compubox numbers are just people like you and I deciding when a punch lands or doesn't. It's not really as objective or as pure as you might think. It's just people doing it. It doesn't register how hard someone hit, or how cleanly either.
Oh, by the bias - I don't care where a fighter is from. I was a Lennox Lewis fan, and always was pulling for him over American fighters. I'd love to see Pacman whip Gayweather too, and he's not American.
I don't know what Ali was really thinking, but he's a very easy man to hate. He's also easy to like. I think it went along with his anti-establishment thing, and him wanting to make a point and be different. I don't know how to judge him on that, since I wasn't in his shoes.
Regarding Muhammad Ali, Malcom X helped bring him to a different outlook on politics and history. I think Muhammad Ali was 100% correct in his refusal to be drafted and his reasons for it, especially because during the time African-Americans were fighting for Civil Rights and Equal treatment as U.S. citizens, ESPECIALLY in the SOUTH. Ali being from Kentucky experienced it. He's the GREATEST in and out the ring. U might dislike Mayweather but he is good. Paquiao will give him a good fight.
Well, inside the ring Ali was a very limited fighter, with some very strong talents. Greatest fighter? Not even close. He was very good though, but just too many flaws.
Outside the ring, he was a complete ass, but then could be very likable. The things he would say to other boxers was disgraceful. He said ugly, hurtful remarks, that were completely unnecessary, to cover up his own inadequacies. He also cheated on his wives, while proclaiming how great a Muslim he was. He was very mixed.
"Limited?!?!?" If by that you mean in punching power, then yeah cause he even said he was NOT a powerful knock-out puncher, but he did knock a lot of people out. ALI did NOT lack a tough chin, STAMINA, footwork and SPEED. I found him to be funny, although he did go to far with Frazier, but all else was hilarious. What he did with women was his business, the was not perfect outside the ring but he was the GREATEST inside the ring and did more than athletes nowadays ever did out the ring.
He hit like woman, couldn't throw body punches (a HUGE flaw), pulled his head back, had a lousy left hook, and didn't like to train.
He was far from the greatest fighter. He struggled badly against fighters that leaned back.
He had plenty of good too, so don't misunderstand me.
He went too far with just about everyone. You might find it funny, but the guys he fought against found it hurtful and malicious. Cheating while proclaiming yourself a man of values is hypocrisy.
If Ali hit like a woman then everyone he beat was a B!TCH! He b!tch slapped them! Ha, ha! You sound like one of those CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS that were going after Pres. Bill CLITON (yeah CLITON not Clinton) just for getting a blow job and cheating on his wife. Who cares!!! That was also their business. No one is perfect and that was ALI's flaw, once again - WHO CARES what he did with women, that was between him and his wives. At least he wasn't a drug user, commit crime or ILLEGAL stuff
@TA152H01 Hit like a woman, couldn't throw body punches, pulled his head back, had a lousy left hook and didn't like to train. Well, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers, Liston, Patterson, Lyle, Quarry, Chuvalo, should be ashamed of themselves for losing to such a bum.
@bangitslo Ali had much more natural talent then guys like that. In reality, he should have been ashamed to lose to Frazier and Norton. They weren't at his level of talent, and only his flaws made those fights close.
All those guys you mention have serious flaws too, but ones nature gave them. Foreman/Liston very slow, Patterson no chin at HW, Quarry no defense, Chuvalo no real talent, Shavers the same but with a punch.
@TA152H01 Should have been ashamed to lose to Frazier and Norton? WTF do you think you are? Frazier could beat all your family at the same time. You should be ashamed at how dumb you are. Frazier beat Ali and was beating Ali in Manila because he is a hell of a champ, Norton not as much but Joe, come on dude, the guy had more heart, wicked combos, very cool style and a paralyzing left hook. They guy could go 15 hard freakin rounds, the guy was one of the best ever. You are only insulting Ali.
@blite13 You missed the point, because you're a complete idiot.
Joe Frazier was a good heavyweight, not a great one. He did not have the talent of Ali, or even approach it. Almost no one did. Ali should have beaten him the first fight, except he threw too many outside uppercutsleft hooks against a left hooker, dropped his right hand too many times, and probably took the first fight too soon.
Frazier more out of his talent than Ali did. As good as he was, Ali should have been better.
Oh, about Gayweather, he's good for a fighter from today. Let's be real, Pacman and Gayweather would be ass-clowns in the 80s. They don't even approach the talent of these guys. It's night and day. In Pacman's defense, he's fighting at the wrong weight. He uses steroids, that's pretty obvious, but if they'd let him fight at a more natural weight, he wouldn't have to.
It will be a good fight, because both fighters are good, but only good. Not great. Mosley might give a good fight too.
I'd like to see Gayweather and Pacman fight at 140 instead of 147. Both are better at that weight, and you'd probably see more action. Also, Pacman wouldn't need the juice as badly, if at all. Asking this guy to fight again and again at 147 is really not fair to him. It's so far above his best weight.
140lbs. or 147lbs. it doesn't matter to me, I just want to see them box each other, and if it is a close fight, then they should have a REMATCH. Just like in the good old days of boxing. I didn't think that Paquiao would be using steroids, but nowadays you never know unless JOSE CANSECO has anything to say about it, CANSECO is the GOSPEL on who takes steroids in baseball, like him or not.
If Pacman weren't using steroids, he'd have gone along with Gayweather's request. When you don't want to be tested 20 days out, you're hiding something. Blood loss would be recovered in a few days, certainly not more than a week. Why wouldn't he allow this.
Also, he's so small for 147. He needs the juice to make that weight. At 140, it would be much easier for him. Gayweather was also better at 140.
Like I said, nowadays you never know whose using steroids and it's to the point where it shouldn't surprise you if they are using 'roids. It would should be a good and interesting fight.
Also, if you go to the forums on boxing fights, probably a slight majority favor Leonard in this fight. The majority of people here are morons, and just want to lick Duran's backside. They even give him credit for losing to Hagler (a boring, one-sided sparring session), and make every excuse for his embarrassing loss to Leonard. It's a very biased crowd here, and most want to have Duran's child. Do a search for the real fight sites, and you'll get a different perspective on who people favor.
interesting poin u made there bishop,..the leonard of this fight against all the others,..had those rematches been made it wouldda been something,..ray had it all too. Just on this nite Roberto wasnt gonna have any of it. helluva fight. and yea,..differences in duran are glaring in fight number two against ray.
Duran was the man in this fight, but there is no denying SRL's heart here. When he came back, he definitely was not the same fighter, there had been drug abuse, plus the retina surgery as well. I think the SRL you see here would have had rematched everybody he faced, the latter SRL had to be selective with opponents to survive, as most boxers do in their twilight. I'm not condoning it, because in reality it sux, but it's the name of the game.
hearns was boxing leonards ass off in their first fight,.had never been past ten rds before it,..and technically,..hearns best fight was his dicision over benitez,..tommy just wasnt durable enough in his career, n i give him kudos for his titles,..he had the body and style to do that,..but he'll always be known for having a glas jaw n suspect stamina. tommy was built for style, not wars,..and in every wars he had,..he lost. But boy,..that punch he hit duran with ,..i still feel it,.he could hit!
Leonard never rematched his big wins, at least not when those fights would have meant something. Benitez and Hagler never got one, and Hearns/Duran were well past prime and well above their best weight by the time they got a chance. It's especially glaring when you consider how close or controversial those fights were.
@FlaviusConstantius I agree. I find it interesting that when Leonard briefly stepped up to win the 154-pound title, he fought No-Name Kalule (who a year later got his butt handed to him by advanced amataur Davey Moore) rather than go after Benitez again, the same Benitez who the next year would have an easier time with Duran than Leonard had at that point.
TA152HO1...say all u want,..it aint the fact he quit,..it's the fact he came back,..and redeemed himself,..which makes for the rest of the story,..and what a story it was...it's just a great story. it's about rise n fall,..and rise again. Don't you agree?..like him or not?
Duran didnt seek a rematch vs hearns cuz even he knew it was a mismatch,..hearns too big, n in his prime. Roberto was 33, 5 yrs past his peak, but still fought on against other bigger younger guys. Cybiria, u must be a wwf kinda guy. Both guys had plenty of knockouts, and this fight had it all. it aint about knockouts, it's about fighting!
@GBeret83 After he got annihilated by Hearns, you can be sure he was scared of him. To be so humiliated, and not try for a rematch shows just how mastered and afraid he was. Are you also forgetting what a coward he was in the second Leonard fight?
Duran was approx. the same age when he fought Hearns as Leonard was when he was beaten up by Norris. By your reckoning, failing to chase a rematch with Norris shows how "mastered and afraid" he was, lol.
Leonard knew he couldn't beat Norris at that stage.
Here's the difference, since you don't seem to see it. Leonard lasted the fight. He had nothing that fight. Duran fell flat on his face. He was also two years younger, by the way.
Also, I never said Leonard had no fear. He was careful about fights when he came back, that's obvious. He had to be, he wasn't even close to the same fighter. He said Duran knew no fear, but, clearly he did. Heck, he quit in the middle of a fight.
Duran also had twice as much mileage as SRL, and was well north of his peak weight, not just in the next junior division.
If Leonard had been fighting the '84 Hearns instead of Terry Norris, he'd have been KO'd too. Heck, a few years later he was knocked senseless by a feather-fisted feather, who needed a gift against a near 50 y/o Duran.
Leonard couldn't out-box Hearns. He won but 4 rounds of their first fight and enough to lose their rematch, regardless of ropey scorecards.
It was Hearns' suspect stamina which cost him as much as anything. He overtrained for fight 1. He wasn't as tight at 154, and it may well have been over 12 rounds anyway. Oh the irony of SRL requesting a 15 rounder!
Hearns had great stamina, and lost a whole lot more than 4 rounds. He t hrew a ton of punches, and it was actually Leonard that got tired. Even when he beat Hearns down, Hearns was throwing more punches.
It is really simple, even for you. Hearns couldn't take Leonard's punch. He'd have a harder time at 154.
The second fight was meaningless, both looked horrible. They were really slow.
Do you just make things up to make your poster boy look better? Hearns did not have great stamina, especially at 147, and he overtrained.
Given how you scored Duran-SRL I, and think the rematch was a beatdown, I wouldn't be surprised if you had Ray pitching a shut-out against Hearns.
For the rest of us it's patently obvious Ray lost the majority of the rounds in their 2 fights. In a 12 rounder at 154, chances are a less tight Hearns survives the late onslaught, as he did in the rematch.
All I know is that there were five great fighters during that era; sugar ray, hagler, duran, hearns, benitez. each one of those guys whipped duran and sugar ray whipped each one of them. sugar was king.
robertina duran quit because he was a coward with no balls,he could never adjust to his opponents should they switch games during fights
duran did well if he knew what you was going to do but if you changed it up a little,he was a clueless little beaner
duran was exposed in the second leonard fight as a coward and a fraud and he was also exposed as a boxer against bums like kirland laing and robbie simms
this fight proved that Duran had Leonard's number. I think the second fight was fixed though, I dont think Leonard even in his prime could've ever beat Duran, Duran was a better boxer and fighter all around, Sugar couldnt handle him
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If you look at the fight from a judges seat looking at each round with a microscope you will give it to Duran.But Leonard fought like a champion should to retain his title.Leonard should have retained his title.
I watched and scored Duran/Leonard I a few weeks ago. AFter 13 rounds I had it 8-7 for Duran. I thought Leonard eked out round 14 which made it 7-7 on my card. Round 15 came down to Duran thinking he already had the fight won and not even trying to win the round. Consequently, I had Leonard winning 8-7 on my card.
Granted, most of the rounds (after round 5) were close and competitive... could've gone either way.
Duran was the dominant force the first 5 rounds though.
I watched the fight when I was a kid, and even though it was a very close fight, I gave it to Duran. From round one, Duran didn't stop (he did play around in the 15th) and hit Leonard with some solid punches. I was really disappointed when I saw the rematch, seemed like Duran loss his heart but then again he is a very talented fighter and I guess he knew he didn't stand a chance when Leonard came in dancing. Great fighters till the end.
Aaron pryor was a f*cking alternate in the 1976 Olympics..Leonard was the "boxer of the games". Are you in someway related to Aaron? You're out of touch.
I mean Duran after 16 years of boxing pushed one of the greatest middleweights of all-time to the brink (he lost by a single point on the judges cards) Marvin Hagler....Aaron Pryor couldn't even survive the Terror Bobby Joe Young after a mere 11 years.LOL...you're a too much. Avoided Aaron Pryor.HAHAHA!!! Pryor meant nothing to Duran. Leonard was the one he wanted and got!
Bobby Joe Young?...I'm not kidding that was the first welterweight Aaron Pryor ever fought. And got his ass beat. Imagine what Hearns, Duran, and Leonard would have done to that little bitch boy. Shit.....you're too much. Duran avoiding a guy that can't even beat Bobby Joe Young. Still in his prime. Only fighting 11 years. Duran fought Hearns 17 years after turning pro!!!!!! Aaron Pryor couldn't have beaten Duran with a baseball bat.
this boxing stuff all sounds new to you, so I'll explain. leonard fine fighter, not a puncher by any means, moved up from 140 to 147 to not compete with Pryor in the'76 Olympics, Pryor was considered the USA's best shot at gold
As a pro leonard avoided Pryor ignoring many challenges (some on youtube). Incidentally, how did no-mas fare against hearns? pryor beat hearns as an amateur. Pryor took the best punches of Arguello, he could definitely take the best punches of no-mas
Do you work for the amateur boxing comission? Who care about what they did as amateurs? It's a different style and judging of fights. Lightpunching, shoe-shine fighters are great amateurs. Mark Breland was the greatest as an amateur? As a pro, he sucked. Aaron Pryor was a good,small fighter. He never beat a single opponent over 140 lbs. Duran after 13 years as a lightweight beat Leonard. Pryor after only 11 years as a pro stepped up in weight and lost to Bobby Joe Young.LOL.
@alxadm I agree that Pryor would have been hard-pressed to beat the top welterweights of his era, but let's be fair about the Bobby Joe Young fight; by that time cocaine abuse had robbed Pryor of his prime. Maybe he wasted himself, and maybe he wouldn't have been champion at that weight, but don't tell me he wouldn't have beaten Young even two years earlier.
Couple of things here... for one, Hearns as an amatuer was not nearly the same puncher as when he was a pro. He punched much harder and became a KO welterweight later... not in the amateurs. Secondly, Leonard was a good welterweight puncher... definitely solid. Pryor would have very little chance against Leonard and zero against Hearns as a welterweight during that time. Those guys were superior in every phase of boxing to Pryor and would have KO'd the Hawk. Hawk was a good fighter though
You're attracted to him in a way that disturbs you, so you lash out at him whenever you get that "special feeling' that you know is wrong. I own you. i see through you like you're a piece of glass. That's why there are always gay references in your posts...
There you go again. What boxing fan knows or cares what color Duran's trunks where on any given fight? Who would even call them lavander or care to remember?....gay fans would remember that's who.
I guess all boxing fans must be gay then, because nobody ever forgot the night when doran sasheyed himself into the ring in his bright new lavander shorts to get his ass spanked by kirkland lang. he was just crying to come out of the closet
duran. If he wasnt quitting or cheating, he was dressing like a woman in perfume, lavander & jewlry- all sexed up for action. he might not have been such an honorable fighter, he was more a lover. Make love, not war- thats durans motto. & he prooved it with every man in sight i bet
Nobody ever forgot that night?...really? I've never heard anyone other than you and all your other personalities talk about lavendar trunks. I was at the Laing fight. He was wear bright red trunks so do you even know what color lavander is? it's a shade of light purple, not red.
I mean, the dude should have had enough self respect to keep his figure in shape for his boyfriends instead of letting his self get all unsightly like he does
dude, are you as boring in person as you are on youtube? grab ahold of yourself and show a little self control, how many times can the dull mook make the same "fag" joke?
I am not fan of duran (since predictably that is what you would assume, and then make yet another "fag" joke), the only thing he did well was avoid Aaron Pryor, and get fat between fights.
so why don't you give the keyboard a break and go drive people out of their minds with boredom in person - run along now
"Avoid" Aaron Pryor?...to fight Sugar Ray Leonard? LOL...you don't avoid easier opponents to face tougher ones. That's like someone "avoiding Bob Foster" to take on Ali. LOL. Get a clue moron. If Duran could beat Leonard (undefeated,3" bigger, 9" reach advantage in his prime) then Pryor would have been a walk in the park. Pryor was exactly the kind of boxer Duran ate up. Plus he was smaller than Roberto. Duran would have KILLED Aaron.
You've been watching that Beyond the Glory fluff, haven't you? Duran did not duck Pryor. Nor did Leonard for that matter, since he was never a relevant fighter in their divisions.
When Duran moved up from 135 at the end of '78 Pryor was still a novice fighting journeyman in small venues. I doubt Duran had even heard of him.
The one time the Duran fight could have happened, circa '82, Pryor was in dispute with one of his many attorneys and left the contract unsigned, and the chance passed.
As for Hearns against Duran... serious questions about that fight. Duran was paid BEFORE the fight... which brings the question of legitimacy. Theory being setup to make the Hearns vs. Hagler fight more appealing. This is just objective commentary. Duran is an all time great... do not think he would avoid Pryor... would be Pryor... probably by KO. Pryor was a high energy fighter... but could not hang with the great welters of that era.
fact is Duran didn't have a chance vs Hearns beyond 147; and your right! Pryor couldn't of hung in there with the welters of that era! that's why he didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions, choosing instead a jr/super 140. Truth is he knew exactly where he belonged and that was away from fighters like: Duran, Leonard or Hearns.
Pryor was at 140 because he couldn't get a title shot at 135. Had he the chance, he'd have fought Ray Leonard any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
You're obsession with Duran continues....you can't stop. Why? If you don't like him why are you pulled to his youtube video's?.....I know the answer, but it would be lost on you. You wouldn't accept it.
& what would you know about new names??? Anytime anyone even THINKS about watching this poor excuse for a boxing-match, you are alerted to it within the very minute. Now isnt that something. You hibernate here as though your very life depends on pretending Duran has guts, & it is your mission to make everyone else pretend the same thing. Good for you.
We cant figgure out one thing about you & the rest of your names though: Is it Doran that you are in love with, as you like to make it seem, Or is it Leonard you just hate?. It must be that its Ray that you hate, cuz who the fuck would ever be so in love with this tummy-hurting, fight-backing-out-of, chikken weasel as you like to say you are?
Well you need to understand that I fell in love with the sport of boxing when my dad brought me to Deer Lake to watch the great Ali train. After that I devoted my life to the sport. When I saw Duran at Gleason's Gym in New York, I knew he was the ONE. His story is similar to Jesus. The glory (lightweight days, Leonard 1), the fall (New Orleans) and the redemption (Moore, Hagler,Barkley). The High Priest Of Pugilism has spoken.
whatever you say. it dont matter what I consider you, because everyone else dont even consider you at all- not none of your names. You the high priest of SOMETHING, we all bet that. high priest of bullshit, of quitting maybe.
how the fuck can someone who hates the man who fukkin DEFINED boxing, who made it an art, be the 'high priest' of anything, especially boxing?? You the high priest allrite. thats cuz you are high all the time. you must be high
Ali fought all wrong. I loved watching him but he was not the ONE. Anyone who leans back, holds his hand low, never attacks the body, lays on the ropes and needlessly take punishment didn't "define" boxing. He did it poorly. His natural talent got him through. He was losing to leon Spinks, before he was even 38.
wow, thanks for telling us mr high priest. you are so smart. is there anything else you can teach us with all your boxing wisdom that you read about in your boxing magazines please? are there any other brave, proud black athletes who make you jealous like they do? please teach us to be wise like you
with 10 seconds left in the 11th SRL throws a 10 punch combo or so...none landed and the crowd roars...Durans punching weren't always clean and crisp in this fight but he definitely dictated the fight...thats why he won...great fight
Great fight bwtn two hall of famers. This fight was Duran at the peak of his powers. After this fight, he thought he was invincable and slacked off on the rematch. Wow what a fight.
Leonard is the biggest coward - lost against hagler and planned it so duran was unfit for the next match. Search why duran quit and you will see even leonard admit it. Thats wat u call a coward - knowing he cant beat a fully fit duran so he fights a half fit one.
And that aint opinion, its FACT. you dont like Ray, you say doran wasnt fit, thats just your opinion. even if your not fit, only a COWARD quits. thats fact. Duran QUIT like the biggest coward who ever lived. thats fact too. cuz he was scared to get beat
cowards also run...SRL, he knew he could not stand toe to toe with Duran, so he ran around the ring...not even Mayweather Jr ran,and he was/is considered one of the best in/out fighters ever...call it what u want, SRL ran..by the way I was betting in favor of SRL on their second fight and I felt ashamed of taking the other guy's money.
scuse me, but dancing is a legitamate form of boxing as anyone who has ever watched Mr Muhammad Ali or Mr Sugar Ray Robinson or Mr Ray Leanord knows. If you knew anything about pugilism you would know that also. But you favor quitting like a rat I guess- "no mas meestor Ray. i got a bellyache, I theen I go home now, & screw all those fans of mine who paid for a ticket too, my tummy hurts, I a cheekin.' thats what you think fighters are made of I guess
I mean shit, in just 5 months Leonard came back & beat on this dude like he was his pappy. He fukked the little runt all the fuck up, for life. Duran was never even the same again after Ray popped his cheery. He started losing to every fighter who was liscensed to fight. No more spitting on peoplles girlfriends for him no more, nosir.
Then, right soon after Ray got done showing everyone what a coward this runt was, he then puts on one of the all time classic welter weight wars with hitman hearns. A fight so awesome that he got his eye almost blinded. & you say all the dude does is runs? Tell that to Tommy in that first fight. Tell that to duran as he is quitting against him.
& people say, "alright, but do you have to call Duran a runt, a coward" Fukkem, they are the ones who start that shit. They want to call Leonard a coward because he dances. He never quit like a fukkin chikken ass cowardly thief-in-the-night
Its not Leonards fault Duran wasnt in Shape. Your a fighter its your responsiblity and Leonard knew Duran wasnt taking care of his weight and used it as an advantage.
No it wasnt his fault - but if you see - Leonard was banking on this. It was his entire plan - to make sure Duran came to the ring less than match fit. This wasnt a disputed fact - he freely admits it. The one time they both fought at peak fitness Duran won. Despite the fact he had disadvantages in every way.
Height
Reach
Natural weight.
This is why it rankles that SRL supposedly one of the greatest of all time needed even more advantage than the natural ones he already possesed to beat RD.
Duran is very good at slipping and sliding and preventing a shot from landing clean.
somewhere6 3 weeks ago
SRL did not fight everyone...he ducked Aaron Pryor, with good reason....he would have lost.
jmccullah 3 months ago
the reason I respect Leonard more than Mayweather is...SRL was in superfights like this at age 24. He lost, but he tried. Floyd is saving the superfights for retirement. Say what you will about Leonard, but he fought everyone.
90038jhon 8 months ago
Watch between 8:08 and 8:14 and count how many punches Duran slipped while spinning Leonard back onto the ropes.That is boxing at its best.
72768487912002 11 months ago 2
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque because of his horribly swollen face. The article said SRL's doctor also suspected internal bleeding.
TrumanOThirsty 11 months ago
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque because of his horribly swollen face. The article said SRL's doctor was concerned about internal bleeding.
TrumanOThirsty 11 months ago
@TA152H01 It is obvious you don't know SRL's doctor had aircraft flying him home to MD. from Montreal, land near Hearshey, PA. because SRL needed to be in hospital. SRL spent night hospitalized and was released next day; but Balto.
Sun newspaper got photo of SRL exiting hospital & caption said " Who is this man & did a stick of dynamite explode in his face?" SRL looked grotesque!
TrumanOThirsty 11 months ago
Round 12 Duran? Say Wha! What fight are you watching? Ray clearly won that round and landed the the best 3 punch combo of the round.
bscottdp 1 year ago
round9
vabarik 1 year ago
sugar trys 2 fight like ali
Blackjesus3 1 year ago
SRL was the Oscar de la Hoya of the 80's. He was all about Showmanship and not about pride. SRL and ODLH never gave rematches after they won. Benitez and Hagler deserved a rematch!! That's why Carma is a bitch! SRL got K.O. by Macho Camacho and ODLH got K.O. by the midget call PACMAN!!!
THE FAT LADY SINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
crazynic36 2 years ago
PAQUIAO is NO JOKE! Paquiao also knocked out that clown Miguel Cotto. I enjoyed watching that one, I was going for MANNY PAQUIAO while in a bar full of Latinos. Great fight!
And yes Oscar de la HOYO is a B!TCH! Never rematched tough opponents. It was great to watch PAQUIAO AND MAYWEATHER beat him.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
i still don't know how they gave this fight to duran. sugar ray nailed him repeatedly with squeaky clean punches while duran just pushed and pushed and threw nary a punch. it was a bullshit decision.
1URESAM 2 years ago
Absolutely true. They gave Duran points for sneering.
Watch the second fight. They had the scoring close. Duran didn't win a round, unless he had really bad breath and was hurting Leonard with it.
I watch this fight over and over wondering how they gave it to Duran. I have no answer.
TA152H01 2 years ago
@TA152H01
Exactly. All I know is that there were five great fighters during that era; sugar ray, hagler, duran, hearns, benitez. each one of those guys whipped duran and sugar ray whipped each one of them. sugar was king.
1URESAM 2 years ago
lol, Leonard never whipped any of them, best he could manage was a few narrow or controversial wins, and he never rematched his wins when it would have counted. Duran whipped the Sugar out of Ray when it mattered. All Ray did was run like a scalded cat and stick his tongue out. I don't count dubious TKOs over Benitez and Hearns, or a scabby split over old man Hagler either.
Not a patch on the real Sugar Ray, or the real Leonard.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
Maybe you need to watch it in slow motion to see which punches really landed and who landed them.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
Or maybe you can look at the fighters at the end of the fight to see who was still fighting in the 15th, and who was beaten down and needed peace and mercy. Duran lost the late rounds. If he was so dominating, and doing so much damage, how is this so? He yielded miserably the last round. Also, you can hear the body shots. Leonard landed so many of them. Duran landed some too of course, but, again, look at the result to see who beat the other down. Duran yielded. Did the ref beat him up?
TA152H01 2 years ago
Just because a guy wins the last round, (which Duran did give away) it doesn't mean you deserve to win the fight. Maybe you also need to watch the fight in slow motion and go to the compu-box numbers. I am a SRL fan and I have to admit, Duran had S. R. Leonard in trouble several times during the fight and SRL had to hold on to survive the rounds as any smart boxer would. Leonard tried to slug with Duran, and Duran turned out to be the aggressor during the fight which was bad strategy.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
He had him hurt in the 2nd, but never again. But, let's look at the 2nd. There was half a round left, and Duran couldn't even stagger him again. So, was he that hurt, or was Duran just a bad finisher? He was obviously not a bad finisher.
You're right, the 15th only counts as one round, but it also shows who was taking damage too. Leonard's bodyshots took their toll on Duran, and he easily lost the last two rounds.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Duran still won the MAJORITY of the rounds, that's why he WON the match. It's difficult to say the other guy who YOU were NOT going for won the fight, but like I said, I was going for Leonard and although he won some rounds, I don't think he won the match. He fought Duran's fight and whether you like Duran or not, Duran took it to him the entire fight, Ray HAD to fight off the ropes, he had NO CHOICE. Trading punches with Duran was a BAD idea by Ray Leonard
BXGUY73 2 years ago
Leonard should have fought Duran like he did the second time around. Leonard was ahead on points in their rematch.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
I agree, it would have been an easier fight. His speed was tremendous that fight. But, also, he learned a lot from the first fight. He shortened his left hook in many instances, and if you watch him on the ropes, he never stands straight up. He angles his body which is why he hammers Duran off the ropes in that fight.
Scoring was bad in that fight too, they had Leonard only slightly ahead. Even Duran knew he was dominated. Weird, weird scoring.
TA152H01 2 years ago
You gorget that Duran was the one going forward all the time. Judges see this you know....
crazynic36 2 years ago
How can you give this fight to leonard? Duran was the effective aggressor, he won the first 4 rounds easy because leonard wasnt doing much. And he controlled the tempo for the rest of the fight always intitiating the exchanges, leonard would have some moments of brilliance in this fight, but for the most part he was getting pounded on the ropes and would occasionally through a pretty flurry doing no real damage to Duran. Duran takes this fight in a well earned decision.
iiuh1 2 years ago
Leonard also got hit with a lot of solid "squeaky-clean" shots by Duran in this fight. I was a Leonard fan during the 80's and after watching this fight again, I can see why Duran won this one. Leonard had to fight him with the STRATEGY he used in their rematch. Leonard's mistake was thinking that he could trade punches with Duran because Duran had to come up in weight to fight Leonard. Leonard thought he was stronger because of that. Tactical error, he fought Duran's fight.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
@BXGUY73
you are correct in saying that leonard fight the wrong fight. i remember this fight clearly in the early eighties and everyone wondering why he fought in a style that was not his at all. i still don't think that the adavantage was duran's anyway but it was very close.
1URESAM 2 years ago
I don't know the squeaky clean shots Duran landed. He landed some for sure, but Leonard landed far more. Duran hit harder though. But, many of Duran's shots were with Leonard riding it, or off his arms. A lot of punches Duran threw were arm punches too. Duran threw fewer punches and still was exhausted at the end and had to give up the last round in a close fight. Funny how no one gives Leonard's body shots any credit for that.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Like I said before, I think YOU SHOULD watch the fight AGAIN in S-L-O-W MOTION. Duran was not an easy target either and he was better than what most people think DEFENSIVELY. The Leonard flurries while on the ropes did not do as much as when you are moving forward and throwing punches. Like Ali vs. Frazier - 1. Ali's flurries while on the ropes were not as damaging as Frazier's body shots.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
By the same token, Duran almost never hit Leonard cleanly. Most of his shots he rode, and many were blocked by his arms.
It's not the same was with Ali, because Ali's back was against the ropes many times. Also, Frazier got hit by someone in the ring, hard. Look at his face.
Leonard would spread his legs and throw big shots. Listen for the boom when he hits. Also, what was making Duran's head fly back? Bad breath?
The bodyshots really drained Duran. He couldn't finish fighting.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Are you kidding! Duran hit Leonard cleanly with hard shots throughout the entire fight. To repeat your repetitive line, "what made Leonard's head snap back and stagger, bad breath?!" There were times when they were exchanging clean shots, but Duran did control the tempo for the MAJORITY of the fight. You underestimate Duran's defensive ability cause he was the aggressor during MOST of the fight. Is there a way of getting the compu-box numbers? U R a Die-hard fan of SRL, can't admit defeat.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
He didn't snap Leonard's head back that often; most of the time it was Leonard riding his shots. He was taller, and many times Duran's shots weren't very clean.
Leonard would hit him with uppercuts,and Duran's head would move abruptly. That's not how you ride a shot.
If you give a guy a lot for aggression, which I don't, you could favor Duran. I score more on who's landing, not who's charging.
It's a close fight, a lot depends on how you score. I normally favor boxers.
TA152H01 2 years ago
I also favor boxers, that's why I liked Sugar Ray Leonard when he was boxing. You need to watch this fight again buddy, I know that the video is not the clearest but at least give credit where credit is due. I also don't give points for being the aggressor but if your controlling the tempo AND landing punches and giving what your taking in the exchanges, which is what Duran did, then he won. Where can you get the compu-box numbers of this fight? Also, too many people say Duran won this one
BXGUY73 2 years ago
I've watched this fight many times, and have the video on VHS which is much cleaner.
You can't go by compubox numbers, because that's just someone else putting in the numbers as they see it. It's not magically right. Of course, it doesn't show who hit harder either.
Most of the people here love Duran and aren't unbiased. Mostly Hispanics, you'll notice. I'm white, I'm not trying to boost a white fighter. Leonard is black. I just think he won.
TA152H01 2 years ago
You MIGHT be UN-biased, or better an American fighter win than a Latin American, I don't know. Now you say you can't go by compu-box numbers? I just think that it also helps as an indicator to who did what. BERT SUGAR said Duran beat Leonard in the first fight. But then again, what does he know? LOL! No bias there huh? I'll check out this fight in a clearer video than this one and I might change my mind. Muhammad Ali's decision to refuse military service, what do you think?
BXGUY73 2 years ago
I agree with you about Bert Sugar. He's a buffoon. He's wrong so often with his predictions, it's amazing people still listen to him, but, you know how it is, he's a publisher so people assume he's an authority figure.
Compubox numbers are just people like you and I deciding when a punch lands or doesn't. It's not really as objective or as pure as you might think. It's just people doing it. It doesn't register how hard someone hit, or how cleanly either.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Oh, by the bias - I don't care where a fighter is from. I was a Lennox Lewis fan, and always was pulling for him over American fighters. I'd love to see Pacman whip Gayweather too, and he's not American.
I don't know what Ali was really thinking, but he's a very easy man to hate. He's also easy to like. I think it went along with his anti-establishment thing, and him wanting to make a point and be different. I don't know how to judge him on that, since I wasn't in his shoes.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Regarding Muhammad Ali, Malcom X helped bring him to a different outlook on politics and history. I think Muhammad Ali was 100% correct in his refusal to be drafted and his reasons for it, especially because during the time African-Americans were fighting for Civil Rights and Equal treatment as U.S. citizens, ESPECIALLY in the SOUTH. Ali being from Kentucky experienced it. He's the GREATEST in and out the ring. U might dislike Mayweather but he is good. Paquiao will give him a good fight.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
Well, inside the ring Ali was a very limited fighter, with some very strong talents. Greatest fighter? Not even close. He was very good though, but just too many flaws.
Outside the ring, he was a complete ass, but then could be very likable. The things he would say to other boxers was disgraceful. He said ugly, hurtful remarks, that were completely unnecessary, to cover up his own inadequacies. He also cheated on his wives, while proclaiming how great a Muslim he was. He was very mixed.
TA152H01 2 years ago
"Limited?!?!?" If by that you mean in punching power, then yeah cause he even said he was NOT a powerful knock-out puncher, but he did knock a lot of people out. ALI did NOT lack a tough chin, STAMINA, footwork and SPEED. I found him to be funny, although he did go to far with Frazier, but all else was hilarious. What he did with women was his business, the was not perfect outside the ring but he was the GREATEST inside the ring and did more than athletes nowadays ever did out the ring.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
He hit like woman, couldn't throw body punches (a HUGE flaw), pulled his head back, had a lousy left hook, and didn't like to train.
He was far from the greatest fighter. He struggled badly against fighters that leaned back.
He had plenty of good too, so don't misunderstand me.
He went too far with just about everyone. You might find it funny, but the guys he fought against found it hurtful and malicious. Cheating while proclaiming yourself a man of values is hypocrisy.
TA152H01 2 years ago
If Ali hit like a woman then everyone he beat was a B!TCH! He b!tch slapped them! Ha, ha! You sound like one of those CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS that were going after Pres. Bill CLITON (yeah CLITON not Clinton) just for getting a blow job and cheating on his wife. Who cares!!! That was also their business. No one is perfect and that was ALI's flaw, once again - WHO CARES what he did with women, that was between him and his wives. At least he wasn't a drug user, commit crime or ILLEGAL stuff
BXGUY73 2 years ago
@TA152H01 Hit like a woman, couldn't throw body punches, pulled his head back, had a lousy left hook and didn't like to train. Well, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers, Liston, Patterson, Lyle, Quarry, Chuvalo, should be ashamed of themselves for losing to such a bum.
bangitslo 1 year ago
@bangitslo Ali had much more natural talent then guys like that. In reality, he should have been ashamed to lose to Frazier and Norton. They weren't at his level of talent, and only his flaws made those fights close.
All those guys you mention have serious flaws too, but ones nature gave them. Foreman/Liston very slow, Patterson no chin at HW, Quarry no defense, Chuvalo no real talent, Shavers the same but with a punch.
Ali was born with a lot more.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 Should have been ashamed to lose to Frazier and Norton? WTF do you think you are? Frazier could beat all your family at the same time. You should be ashamed at how dumb you are. Frazier beat Ali and was beating Ali in Manila because he is a hell of a champ, Norton not as much but Joe, come on dude, the guy had more heart, wicked combos, very cool style and a paralyzing left hook. They guy could go 15 hard freakin rounds, the guy was one of the best ever. You are only insulting Ali.
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13 You missed the point, because you're a complete idiot.
Joe Frazier was a good heavyweight, not a great one. He did not have the talent of Ali, or even approach it. Almost no one did. Ali should have beaten him the first fight, except he threw too many outside uppercutsleft hooks against a left hooker, dropped his right hand too many times, and probably took the first fight too soon.
Frazier more out of his talent than Ali did. As good as he was, Ali should have been better.
TA152H01 1 year ago
Oh, about Gayweather, he's good for a fighter from today. Let's be real, Pacman and Gayweather would be ass-clowns in the 80s. They don't even approach the talent of these guys. It's night and day. In Pacman's defense, he's fighting at the wrong weight. He uses steroids, that's pretty obvious, but if they'd let him fight at a more natural weight, he wouldn't have to.
It will be a good fight, because both fighters are good, but only good. Not great. Mosley might give a good fight too.
TA152H01 2 years ago
I agree with you that Mayweather and Paquiao would be chumps or sparring partners during the 70's and 80's. LOL! Damn steroids!! ruined everything.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
I'd like to see Gayweather and Pacman fight at 140 instead of 147. Both are better at that weight, and you'd probably see more action. Also, Pacman wouldn't need the juice as badly, if at all. Asking this guy to fight again and again at 147 is really not fair to him. It's so far above his best weight.
TA152H01 2 years ago
140lbs. or 147lbs. it doesn't matter to me, I just want to see them box each other, and if it is a close fight, then they should have a REMATCH. Just like in the good old days of boxing. I didn't think that Paquiao would be using steroids, but nowadays you never know unless JOSE CANSECO has anything to say about it, CANSECO is the GOSPEL on who takes steroids in baseball, like him or not.
BXGUY73 2 years ago
I think the weight does matter to Pacman.
If Pacman weren't using steroids, he'd have gone along with Gayweather's request. When you don't want to be tested 20 days out, you're hiding something. Blood loss would be recovered in a few days, certainly not more than a week. Why wouldn't he allow this.
Also, he's so small for 147. He needs the juice to make that weight. At 140, it would be much easier for him. Gayweather was also better at 140.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Like I said, nowadays you never know whose using steroids and it's to the point where it shouldn't surprise you if they are using 'roids. It would should be a good and interesting fight.
BXGUY73 1 year ago
@TA152H01 Pacman was never caught using steroids and he has never failed a test for them. stop spreading bullshit you freakin idiot.
blite13 1 year ago
Also, if you go to the forums on boxing fights, probably a slight majority favor Leonard in this fight. The majority of people here are morons, and just want to lick Duran's backside. They even give him credit for losing to Hagler (a boring, one-sided sparring session), and make every excuse for his embarrassing loss to Leonard. It's a very biased crowd here, and most want to have Duran's child. Do a search for the real fight sites, and you'll get a different perspective on who people favor.
TA152H01 2 years ago
interesting poin u made there bishop,..the leonard of this fight against all the others,..had those rematches been made it wouldda been something,..ray had it all too. Just on this nite Roberto wasnt gonna have any of it. helluva fight. and yea,..differences in duran are glaring in fight number two against ray.
northpoint43m 2 years ago
Duran was the man in this fight, but there is no denying SRL's heart here. When he came back, he definitely was not the same fighter, there had been drug abuse, plus the retina surgery as well. I think the SRL you see here would have had rematched everybody he faced, the latter SRL had to be selective with opponents to survive, as most boxers do in their twilight. I'm not condoning it, because in reality it sux, but it's the name of the game.
bishop92882 2 years ago
hearns was boxing leonards ass off in their first fight,.had never been past ten rds before it,..and technically,..hearns best fight was his dicision over benitez,..tommy just wasnt durable enough in his career, n i give him kudos for his titles,..he had the body and style to do that,..but he'll always be known for having a glas jaw n suspect stamina. tommy was built for style, not wars,..and in every wars he had,..he lost. But boy,..that punch he hit duran with ,..i still feel it,.he could hit!
northpoint43m 2 years ago
Didnt see leonard asking for any rematches did u?..he couldda had 2 or three trilogys , but never chose to make them.
northpoint43m 2 years ago
Leonard never rematched his big wins, at least not when those fights would have meant something. Benitez and Hagler never got one, and Hearns/Duran were well past prime and well above their best weight by the time they got a chance. It's especially glaring when you consider how close or controversial those fights were.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
@FlaviusConstantius I agree. I find it interesting that when Leonard briefly stepped up to win the 154-pound title, he fought No-Name Kalule (who a year later got his butt handed to him by advanced amataur Davey Moore) rather than go after Benitez again, the same Benitez who the next year would have an easier time with Duran than Leonard had at that point.
vidnut67 1 year ago
TA152HO1...say all u want,..it aint the fact he quit,..it's the fact he came back,..and redeemed himself,..which makes for the rest of the story,..and what a story it was...it's just a great story. it's about rise n fall,..and rise again. Don't you agree?..like him or not?
northpoint43m 2 years ago
Duran didnt seek a rematch vs hearns cuz even he knew it was a mismatch,..hearns too big, n in his prime. Roberto was 33, 5 yrs past his peak, but still fought on against other bigger younger guys. Cybiria, u must be a wwf kinda guy. Both guys had plenty of knockouts, and this fight had it all. it aint about knockouts, it's about fighting!
northpoint43m 2 years ago
u call this a great fight? what a waste of time.not one of them has a knockout punch.
cybiria2000 2 years ago
I know one thing, Roberto Duran, win, lose, or draw feared no man in the ring. He really was, imo, crazier than a shit-house rat.
GBeret83 2 years ago
@GBeret83 After he got annihilated by Hearns, you can be sure he was scared of him. To be so humiliated, and not try for a rematch shows just how mastered and afraid he was. Are you also forgetting what a coward he was in the second Leonard fight?
TA152H01 2 years ago
Duran was approx. the same age when he fought Hearns as Leonard was when he was beaten up by Norris. By your reckoning, failing to chase a rematch with Norris shows how "mastered and afraid" he was, lol.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
Leonard knew he couldn't beat Norris at that stage.
Here's the difference, since you don't seem to see it. Leonard lasted the fight. He had nothing that fight. Duran fell flat on his face. He was also two years younger, by the way.
Also, I never said Leonard had no fear. He was careful about fights when he came back, that's obvious. He had to be, he wasn't even close to the same fighter. He said Duran knew no fear, but, clearly he did. Heck, he quit in the middle of a fight.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Duran also had twice as much mileage as SRL, and was well north of his peak weight, not just in the next junior division.
If Leonard had been fighting the '84 Hearns instead of Terry Norris, he'd have been KO'd too. Heck, a few years later he was knocked senseless by a feather-fisted feather, who needed a gift against a near 50 y/o Duran.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
Leonard did drugs, and drank. He was never the same fighter after he came back.
You can talk all your stupidity that you want, but Hearns was considered unstoppable when they fought, and the favorite.
Hearns couldn't take Leonard's punches, and that would have been even more obvious at 154. It just amounts to that. Hearns didn't have the chin.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Leonard couldn't out-box Hearns. He won but 4 rounds of their first fight and enough to lose their rematch, regardless of ropey scorecards.
It was Hearns' suspect stamina which cost him as much as anything. He overtrained for fight 1. He wasn't as tight at 154, and it may well have been over 12 rounds anyway. Oh the irony of SRL requesting a 15 rounder!
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
Hearns had great stamina, and lost a whole lot more than 4 rounds. He t hrew a ton of punches, and it was actually Leonard that got tired. Even when he beat Hearns down, Hearns was throwing more punches.
It is really simple, even for you. Hearns couldn't take Leonard's punch. He'd have a harder time at 154.
The second fight was meaningless, both looked horrible. They were really slow.
TA152H01 2 years ago
Do you just make things up to make your poster boy look better? Hearns did not have great stamina, especially at 147, and he overtrained.
Given how you scored Duran-SRL I, and think the rematch was a beatdown, I wouldn't be surprised if you had Ray pitching a shut-out against Hearns.
For the rest of us it's patently obvious Ray lost the majority of the rounds in their 2 fights. In a 12 rounder at 154, chances are a less tight Hearns survives the late onslaught, as he did in the rematch.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
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All I know is that there were five great fighters during that era; sugar ray, hagler, duran, hearns, benitez. each one of those guys whipped duran and sugar ray whipped each one of them. sugar was king.
1URESAM 2 years ago
two rounds to leonard, 1 to Duran.
connymat 2 years ago
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robertina duran quit because he was a coward with no balls,he could never adjust to his opponents should they switch games during fights
duran did well if he knew what you was going to do but if you changed it up a little,he was a clueless little beaner
duran was exposed in the second leonard fight as a coward and a fraud and he was also exposed as a boxer against bums like kirland laing and robbie simms
duran was an overrated insecure little bean head
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
"Oh my achin' back, what a fight!"
garethac81 2 years ago
this broadcast was ruined by Pacheco's Leonard nuthugging.
andrelebaron 2 years ago
Al I saw was Leonard holding Duran's hands.
sappstuf 2 years ago
this fight proved that Duran had Leonard's number. I think the second fight was fixed though, I dont think Leonard even in his prime could've ever beat Duran, Duran was a better boxer and fighter all around, Sugar couldnt handle him
gonzomoya420 2 years ago
leonard was 24yr old! but this was the day he became a man!!! GREAT FIGHT
fasttcut 2 years ago
Can't believe that these guys can keep going for 15 rounds, non-stop. I wonder how todays top fighters would do against these great warriors.
fhsfem 2 years ago 2
Duran was mean here....Scared Leonard
566791967 2 years ago
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If you look at the fight from a judges seat looking at each round with a microscope you will give it to Duran.But Leonard fought like a champion should to retain his title.Leonard should have retained his title.
ESSENCEOFEACHTHING 2 years ago
Only a spirit could hold up people like this.
diamondcalves 2 years ago
round 12 Duran 10-9 close round
120-110
81bulldog 2 years ago 12
I watched and scored Duran/Leonard I a few weeks ago. AFter 13 rounds I had it 8-7 for Duran. I thought Leonard eked out round 14 which made it 7-7 on my card. Round 15 came down to Duran thinking he already had the fight won and not even trying to win the round. Consequently, I had Leonard winning 8-7 on my card.
Granted, most of the rounds (after round 5) were close and competitive... could've gone either way.
Duran was the dominant force the first 5 rounds though.
eugenemcgirt 2 years ago
I meant 7-6 for Duran after 13 rounds.
eugenemcgirt 2 years ago
I watched the fight when I was a kid, and even though it was a very close fight, I gave it to Duran. From round one, Duran didn't stop (he did play around in the 15th) and hit Leonard with some solid punches. I was really disappointed when I saw the rematch, seemed like Duran loss his heart but then again he is a very talented fighter and I guess he knew he didn't stand a chance when Leonard came in dancing. Great fighters till the end.
fhsfem 2 years ago
11 duran 10-9 ( 110-101
81bulldog 2 years ago 2
round 10 10-10 Duran 100 leonard 92
81bulldog 2 years ago 2
round 9 duran 10-9 (90-82)
81bulldog 2 years ago
8:10-8:22: Watching these two fighting is like watching two Shaolin Masters fighting to the death.
dennissinned71 2 years ago
Aaron pryor was a f*cking alternate in the 1976 Olympics..Leonard was the "boxer of the games". Are you in someway related to Aaron? You're out of touch.
alxadm 3 years ago 2
Aaron pryor isn't even in the top 50 of P4P greats. Duran is in everyones top 10.
alxadm 3 years ago 2
I mean Duran after 16 years of boxing pushed one of the greatest middleweights of all-time to the brink (he lost by a single point on the judges cards) Marvin Hagler....Aaron Pryor couldn't even survive the Terror Bobby Joe Young after a mere 11 years.LOL...you're a too much. Avoided Aaron Pryor.HAHAHA!!! Pryor meant nothing to Duran. Leonard was the one he wanted and got!
alxadm 3 years ago 2
Bobby Joe Young?...I'm not kidding that was the first welterweight Aaron Pryor ever fought. And got his ass beat. Imagine what Hearns, Duran, and Leonard would have done to that little bitch boy. Shit.....you're too much. Duran avoiding a guy that can't even beat Bobby Joe Young. Still in his prime. Only fighting 11 years. Duran fought Hearns 17 years after turning pro!!!!!! Aaron Pryor couldn't have beaten Duran with a baseball bat.
alxadm 3 years ago 3
this boxing stuff all sounds new to you, so I'll explain. leonard fine fighter, not a puncher by any means, moved up from 140 to 147 to not compete with Pryor in the'76 Olympics, Pryor was considered the USA's best shot at gold
As a pro leonard avoided Pryor ignoring many challenges (some on youtube). Incidentally, how did no-mas fare against hearns? pryor beat hearns as an amateur. Pryor took the best punches of Arguello, he could definitely take the best punches of no-mas
mollkatles 3 years ago
Do you work for the amateur boxing comission? Who care about what they did as amateurs? It's a different style and judging of fights. Lightpunching, shoe-shine fighters are great amateurs. Mark Breland was the greatest as an amateur? As a pro, he sucked. Aaron Pryor was a good,small fighter. He never beat a single opponent over 140 lbs. Duran after 13 years as a lightweight beat Leonard. Pryor after only 11 years as a pro stepped up in weight and lost to Bobby Joe Young.LOL.
alxadm 3 years ago 2
@alxadm I agree that Pryor would have been hard-pressed to beat the top welterweights of his era, but let's be fair about the Bobby Joe Young fight; by that time cocaine abuse had robbed Pryor of his prime. Maybe he wasted himself, and maybe he wouldn't have been champion at that weight, but don't tell me he wouldn't have beaten Young even two years earlier.
vidnut67 1 year ago
Couple of things here... for one, Hearns as an amatuer was not nearly the same puncher as when he was a pro. He punched much harder and became a KO welterweight later... not in the amateurs. Secondly, Leonard was a good welterweight puncher... definitely solid. Pryor would have very little chance against Leonard and zero against Hearns as a welterweight during that time. Those guys were superior in every phase of boxing to Pryor and would have KO'd the Hawk. Hawk was a good fighter though
eugenemcgirt 2 years ago 2
You're attracted to him in a way that disturbs you, so you lash out at him whenever you get that "special feeling' that you know is wrong. I own you. i see through you like you're a piece of glass. That's why there are always gay references in your posts...
alxadm 3 years ago 2
thank you sigmund freud. I guess you know allabout the faggs, bein a doran fan. what do his lavander shorts tell you?
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Robert doran makes elton john look like john wayne
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
hes the hgappiest fag in san francisco, duran is
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
There you go again. What boxing fan knows or cares what color Duran's trunks where on any given fight? Who would even call them lavander or care to remember?....gay fans would remember that's who.
alxadm 3 years ago 2
I guess all boxing fans must be gay then, because nobody ever forgot the night when doran sasheyed himself into the ring in his bright new lavander shorts to get his ass spanked by kirkland lang. he was just crying to come out of the closet
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
How do you feel about Ali wearing tassels on his boxing shoes? LOL.
alxadm 3 years ago 3
duran. If he wasnt quitting or cheating, he was dressing like a woman in perfume, lavander & jewlry- all sexed up for action. he might not have been such an honorable fighter, he was more a lover. Make love, not war- thats durans motto. & he prooved it with every man in sight i bet
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Is that you Ben?
Aurelian147 3 years ago
Nobody ever forgot that night?...really? I've never heard anyone other than you and all your other personalities talk about lavendar trunks. I was at the Laing fight. He was wear bright red trunks so do you even know what color lavander is? it's a shade of light purple, not red.
alxadm 3 years ago 3
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dorans a fag
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Dorans?
alxadm 3 years ago 3
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thats rite- a fag
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
a flaming homo in lavander, thats him
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
a fat homo too
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
I mean, the dude should have had enough self respect to keep his figure in shape for his boyfriends instead of letting his self get all unsightly like he does
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
I mean, i bet Ray stopped fucking him after he got above the 190 mark
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Nice talking to you BoDiddley badmotorscotter Newseriff, boxingbasics1989, see ya soon.
alxadm 3 years ago 3
Do a search of the Laing fight he's wearing red. Moron.
alxadm 3 years ago
dude, are you as boring in person as you are on youtube? grab ahold of yourself and show a little self control, how many times can the dull mook make the same "fag" joke?
I am not fan of duran (since predictably that is what you would assume, and then make yet another "fag" joke), the only thing he did well was avoid Aaron Pryor, and get fat between fights.
so why don't you give the keyboard a break and go drive people out of their minds with boredom in person - run along now
mollkatles 3 years ago
"Avoid" Aaron Pryor?...to fight Sugar Ray Leonard? LOL...you don't avoid easier opponents to face tougher ones. That's like someone "avoiding Bob Foster" to take on Ali. LOL. Get a clue moron. If Duran could beat Leonard (undefeated,3" bigger, 9" reach advantage in his prime) then Pryor would have been a walk in the park. Pryor was exactly the kind of boxer Duran ate up. Plus he was smaller than Roberto. Duran would have KILLED Aaron.
alxadm 3 years ago
You've been watching that Beyond the Glory fluff, haven't you? Duran did not duck Pryor. Nor did Leonard for that matter, since he was never a relevant fighter in their divisions.
When Duran moved up from 135 at the end of '78 Pryor was still a novice fighting journeyman in small venues. I doubt Duran had even heard of him.
The one time the Duran fight could have happened, circa '82, Pryor was in dispute with one of his many attorneys and left the contract unsigned, and the chance passed.
Aurelian147 3 years ago
As for Hearns against Duran... serious questions about that fight. Duran was paid BEFORE the fight... which brings the question of legitimacy. Theory being setup to make the Hearns vs. Hagler fight more appealing. This is just objective commentary. Duran is an all time great... do not think he would avoid Pryor... would be Pryor... probably by KO. Pryor was a high energy fighter... but could not hang with the great welters of that era.
eugenemcgirt 2 years ago
fact is Duran didn't have a chance vs Hearns beyond 147; and your right! Pryor couldn't of hung in there with the welters of that era! that's why he didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions, choosing instead a jr/super 140. Truth is he knew exactly where he belonged and that was away from fighters like: Duran, Leonard or Hearns.
judaschongo 2 years ago
Pryor was at 140 because he couldn't get a title shot at 135. Had he the chance, he'd have fought Ray Leonard any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Aurelian147 2 years ago 7
you keep believing that?
judaschongo 2 years ago
Course, tis a fact.
Aurelian147 2 years ago 4
@Aurelian147 hahahahaha.. I love it, have not heard that in a long time.
songnow 1 year ago
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81bulldog 2 years ago
Do the history son, if Duran fought Hagler he would fight anyone.
warszawa45 2 years ago
You're obsession with Duran continues....you can't stop. Why? If you don't like him why are you pulled to his youtube video's?.....I know the answer, but it would be lost on you. You wouldn't accept it.
alxadm 3 years ago
nobody accepts your bullshit i guess
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Did you ever hear of the Fitzsimmons shift?
alxadm 3 years ago
Well,well,well badmotorskooter,bodiddley is back calling himself thenewsheriffintown. With no new thoughs.
alxadm 3 years ago
& what would you know about new names??? Anytime anyone even THINKS about watching this poor excuse for a boxing-match, you are alerted to it within the very minute. Now isnt that something. You hibernate here as though your very life depends on pretending Duran has guts, & it is your mission to make everyone else pretend the same thing. Good for you.
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
We cant figgure out one thing about you & the rest of your names though: Is it Doran that you are in love with, as you like to make it seem, Or is it Leonard you just hate?. It must be that its Ray that you hate, cuz who the fuck would ever be so in love with this tummy-hurting, fight-backing-out-of, chikken weasel as you like to say you are?
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Well you need to understand that I fell in love with the sport of boxing when my dad brought me to Deer Lake to watch the great Ali train. After that I devoted my life to the sport. When I saw Duran at Gleason's Gym in New York, I knew he was the ONE. His story is similar to Jesus. The glory (lightweight days, Leonard 1), the fall (New Orleans) and the redemption (Moore, Hagler,Barkley). The High Priest Of Pugilism has spoken.
alxadm 3 years ago
Consider me a pastor of boxing. Better yet call me the High Priest of Pugulism, here to save the ignorant, which you are most certainly one.
alxadm 3 years ago
whatever you say. it dont matter what I consider you, because everyone else dont even consider you at all- not none of your names. You the high priest of SOMETHING, we all bet that. high priest of bullshit, of quitting maybe.
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
how the fuck can someone who hates the man who fukkin DEFINED boxing, who made it an art, be the 'high priest' of anything, especially boxing?? You the high priest allrite. thats cuz you are high all the time. you must be high
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
& damn, It seems you are as much into me as you are Doran maybe. I dont know why, I never quit against no one
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
One thing you never "quit' was watching Duran. You can stop. The High priest knows why. It's spiritual.
alxadm 3 years ago
Ali fought all wrong. I loved watching him but he was not the ONE. Anyone who leans back, holds his hand low, never attacks the body, lays on the ropes and needlessly take punishment didn't "define" boxing. He did it poorly. His natural talent got him through. He was losing to leon Spinks, before he was even 38.
alxadm 3 years ago
wow, thanks for telling us mr high priest. you are so smart. is there anything else you can teach us with all your boxing wisdom that you read about in your boxing magazines please? are there any other brave, proud black athletes who make you jealous like they do? please teach us to be wise like you
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
you are so spiritual
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
It requires wisdom to understand the boxing wisdom I share. Music is nothing if the audience is deaf.....you sir are deaf. You don't hear my music.
alxadm 3 years ago
aw, poor me. gee, i dont hear your music, boo hoo.
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
I hear you music any time they play a record by Clay Aikken I bet
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
28 years ago and I still remember it as if it were yesterday!
ProudConfederateSon 3 years ago
this wasnt close. ray lose. probably every round.
LeonardHearns1981 3 years ago
I have this a close fight. After 11 rounds, I have it 6 rounds for Duran, 4 rounds for Leonard, and 1 round even. I have it scored 106-104 in points.
corytclark 3 years ago
with 10 seconds left in the 11th SRL throws a 10 punch combo or so...none landed and the crowd roars...Durans punching weren't always clean and crisp in this fight but he definitely dictated the fight...thats why he won...great fight
JoeyPencils 3 years ago
Great fight bwtn two hall of famers. This fight was Duran at the peak of his powers. After this fight, he thought he was invincable and slacked off on the rematch. Wow what a fight.
lp32862 3 years ago
Don't want to be negative, but the commentating here is very amateurish; even annoying, to be honest.
pnutbutrncrackers 3 years ago
the great roberto doooooooooorahn,,,
nastylefthook1 3 years ago
Bodiddley, are you paid by the Leonard publicity team or what?
Obamawright 3 years ago
how much does duran pay YOU?!? he must have paid you to keep your eyes closed while he quit too, cause you act like that never happened
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
Leonard is the biggest coward - lost against hagler and planned it so duran was unfit for the next match. Search why duran quit and you will see even leonard admit it. Thats wat u call a coward - knowing he cant beat a fully fit duran so he fights a half fit one.
ShahenshahG 3 years ago
he never quit, i know that. only a TRUE coward would quit
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
And that aint opinion, its FACT. you dont like Ray, you say doran wasnt fit, thats just your opinion. even if your not fit, only a COWARD quits. thats fact. Duran QUIT like the biggest coward who ever lived. thats fact too. cuz he was scared to get beat
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
LOL!!!
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
And only a WORSE coward always makes excuses. "Aw, he wasnt in shape"- LOL!
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
cowards also run...SRL, he knew he could not stand toe to toe with Duran, so he ran around the ring...not even Mayweather Jr ran,and he was/is considered one of the best in/out fighters ever...call it what u want, SRL ran..by the way I was betting in favor of SRL on their second fight and I felt ashamed of taking the other guy's money.
NomasRifandomela 3 years ago
scuse me, but dancing is a legitamate form of boxing as anyone who has ever watched Mr Muhammad Ali or Mr Sugar Ray Robinson or Mr Ray Leanord knows. If you knew anything about pugilism you would know that also. But you favor quitting like a rat I guess- "no mas meestor Ray. i got a bellyache, I theen I go home now, & screw all those fans of mine who paid for a ticket too, my tummy hurts, I a cheekin.' thats what you think fighters are made of I guess
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
I mean shit, in just 5 months Leonard came back & beat on this dude like he was his pappy. He fukked the little runt all the fuck up, for life. Duran was never even the same again after Ray popped his cheery. He started losing to every fighter who was liscensed to fight. No more spitting on peoplles girlfriends for him no more, nosir.
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Then, right soon after Ray got done showing everyone what a coward this runt was, he then puts on one of the all time classic welter weight wars with hitman hearns. A fight so awesome that he got his eye almost blinded. & you say all the dude does is runs? Tell that to Tommy in that first fight. Tell that to duran as he is quitting against him.
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
& people say, "alright, but do you have to call Duran a runt, a coward" Fukkem, they are the ones who start that shit. They want to call Leonard a coward because he dances. He never quit like a fukkin chikken ass cowardly thief-in-the-night
TheNewSheriffInTown 3 years ago
Its not Leonards fault Duran wasnt in Shape. Your a fighter its your responsiblity and Leonard knew Duran wasnt taking care of his weight and used it as an advantage.
NormenBatez 3 years ago
No it wasnt his fault - but if you see - Leonard was banking on this. It was his entire plan - to make sure Duran came to the ring less than match fit. This wasnt a disputed fact - he freely admits it. The one time they both fought at peak fitness Duran won. Despite the fact he had disadvantages in every way.
Height
Reach
Natural weight.
This is why it rankles that SRL supposedly one of the greatest of all time needed even more advantage than the natural ones he already possesed to beat RD.
ShahenshahG 3 years ago
How was it Leonard's plan to make Duran come into the ring out of shape?
corytclark 3 years ago
duran gave leanord the most complete boxing lesson in boxing history, a total lesson if you really know what you looking at
shortright80 3 years ago
Your right shortright- so complete it even covers QUITTING! Ray didnt need to be learning nothing about quitting tho, he only WINS
BoDiddley24 3 years ago