@cyanideisabitterpill Well stated! Hats off! Unfortunately, the answer about the 'complete idiots' has the same address as where the kid was taking his question, and very likely why he was stopped...The game is rigged!
If he had asked one question in a timely and courteous manner like EVERYONE else did none of this would've happened. Instead he had to make an ass of himself and embarrass the school by being a pompous douchebag. They asked him to leave and he wouldn't.. I really don't understand why people are confused about this. He wouldn't leave and was being disruptive so they had to use force to restore order. He wasn't tased for asking a hard question. He was tased for being disorderly. That simple.
No one, not a single one stands up for him, and yet you Americans claim U.S. is the freest, most democratic country in the world and bomb others for suppressing human right???????????????????
They arrested him for inciting a riot. He was showing aggressive and uncontrollable behavior. He also resisted arrest multiple times. This isn't a conspiracy. This isn't a violation of freedom of speech. It's a nerd getting tasered for breaking the law.....
There's no freedom of anything in the U.S. When you realize that and start complaining, then they start gang stalking you. Watch GANG STALKING TV, GANG STALKING SURVIVOR, MONARCH II (PT TWELVE) videos on YouTube to see what I mean.
And people wonder where the term "only in America.." comes from .. Here's one for you "Only in America where freedom is considered a right, does freedom come through 30,000 volts."
To all those saying this was free speech infringment here. He was'nt arrested or tazed because of what he was saying, he was arrested for wanting to ask 3 questions instead of 1, and instead of asking his first question he just goes into a massive idiotic tirade. By being an obnoxious prick on the mick he was selfishly denying he fellow students time to ask their questions. He was tazed because he was actively resisting arrest as can be seen on the video.
That's not a crime, I've seen people do it all the time. He had the right to resist because he hadn't done anything, the police officers were abusing their power and he screamed because he had around 30,000 volts running through him, it really fucking hurts.
@adster700 Him stopping his fellow students asking questions is not a crime or a bad thing? Also its stupid to physicly resist the police, you won't win against them and they'll only use the fact you resisted against you later, you don't have a "right" to physicly resist them. If you feel the police abused their power you file complaints against them and the force, go to the courts and you contact the media and say what happened. And come on, he was blatantly milking it after they tazed him.
Actually, he is allowed to ask the police why they're arresting him. They didn't answer or give a reason, and if they did it wasn't valid. Disallowing other students to not ask questions isn't illegal, it's just ignorant but ignorance isn't illegal. I didn't make it clear when I said he had the right to resist, I didn't mean physically but I meant verbally he was allowed because the police were wrong in this scenario. This is why American police seriously suck.
@JustAnotherGuy186 Thank you. The psuedo hippies of today need a cause to make them feel self important so they defend douche nozzles like this guy for being a chode. He could've asked one question and sat down but he felt like he had to right to get up there and grandstand on a soapbox instead of waiting his turn like everybody else. They asked him to leave and he didn't.. so force was used. People trying to equate this to some sort of civil rights violation need to pull their heads out
And it's the amount of retards that lack the knowledge of what else is going on in the world. And the ones who think the US is the greatest country in the world. And the racists, the retarded politicians who know shit about the rights. There's lots more, but once you get past all the crap the US is an alright place.
The police was just doing their job (though looked stupid), the student was just innocently asking question, Kerry was just helpless as usual. So whose fault for this episode?
It's the stupid UF that didn't rehearse the forum. All questions should have been approved in advance. Only students with approved questions could hold the mic. So simple as that.
Forget about freedom of speech. It doesn't happen anywhere.
@nighthour Oh, YAY! Way to roll over! Life is simple & easy if you weaken, right?
Wrong, slave! Many good men died to defend the rights you're so willing to toss on the ash heap of history. Won't you be surprised when you find out how right it was to fight for them, when you discover just exactly how un-gilded & confining your cage can become!
he resisted arrest....its a crime....when he was tlking he started to yell, tht was his first mistake...then when they told him to stop he snapped at them and continued, also a bad mistake..then when they tried to remove him he started to flail and yell and run away..which if u do so u r allowed to b tazed
he resisted arrest....its a crime....when he was tlking he started to yell, tht was his first mistake...then when they told him to stop he snapped at them and continued, also a bad mistake..then when they tried to remove him he started to flail and yell and run away..which if u do so u r allowed to b tazed
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that fuckin troll got what he deserved...Jesus H. Christ, I fuckin hate wannabe know-it-all journalists....""DONT TAZE ME BRO!!! WAAAAHHH!!!""....what a pussy lol..
@cr4yv3n For what? this isn't what these vids or these "protest for tyhe sake of protest" people pretended it to be. look it up. It was simply a case of a kid getting kicked out for his behavior then pretending to be arrested for speaking his mind.
@cr4yv3n Yes, he was pretendig to be arrested BEFORE the video starts according to eyewitneeses and ON VIDEO for the first 60 seconds or so after they cut the mic,. he was NOt being arrested and it is obvious, but he is screaming that he is. That is one of the reasons HE WAS eventually arrested. if he would have siply walked out, that would not have happened.
The footage COMPLETELY supports the cops. This has already been invesitgated and in court. Even the ACLU says the cops were not wrong.
Actually the fact that he refused to leave after being ejected did give the cops the right to remove him by force, and his resisting them gave them the right to tase him. Which is why they were cleared, and he lost in court.
No, dearmeat1971, but I can say no grounds for any suit. Like it or agree with it, or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
Can you say "Meyer pled"? Cause that is what he did. Can you say "ignorant twat"? Cause that is what you are. The "rent-a-cops" were florida state police. And Meyer tried to sue. His lawyers warned him not to, the ACLU dropped him as a client, and he pled guilty.
@dearmeat1971 LOL There is no room for a civil suit. too many eye witnesses and video evidence. Meyer actually worked out an apology and guilty plea. He has no grounds for a suit.
"Just because his question seems like an action of acting out to some that doesn't give those fucking cops the right to taze him. This is ridiculous.." Yes, that comment IS "ridiculous" & has NO foundation in what happened that day. Meyer was not removed, let alone arrested or drive-stunned, for anything he said that day. Like it or agree with it, or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
They shoulnd't have tased him, sure he was acting like a jackass but he wasn't breaking any laws. Almost noone in the crowd supported him so all he was doing was making an ass of himself anyway. What an idiot...
"They shoulnd't have tased him, sure he was acting like a jackass but he wasn't breaking any laws." Simply not true. By the time he was drive-stunned into compliance he'd broken at least 4 laws. The laws he broke, in the order he broke them were; Disturbing the Peace, Trespassing, Resisting an Officer with Violence, Inciting a Riot & Resisting Arrest.
Yeah, he DID make an "ass of himself" & he WAS an "idiot" that day.
His right to free speech was definately denied by thugs. It's obvious. Isn't it amazing that a young man cannot ask a simple question with some passion without getting physically abused for doing so ? Weak minded security guards are like dogs with simple brains. No ability to reason. Thankfully much of America is actually better than this
Well it is obvious that you do not understand freedom of speech. Do you think you have the right to come to my house and talk about anything you like? Do you think the fact you have something to say overrides my right to throw you out? If you do, you are wrong. I can throw you out by force if I like. Same for a forum. If you break their rules, then they can tell you to leave, and at that moment you have no right to be there for any reason. Speaking or otherwise.
And no, he may not ask more than one question at this forum under any circumstances. Forum rules 1 question 30 seconds no vulgarity. And speaking of being weak minded, those weren't security guards, they were Florida State police, there to ensure that the forum was peaceful. And they had a far superior ability to reason than you. They understood that the moment Meyer refused to leave, he was trespassing illegally, and when he became disruptive, their duty was to remove him.
Furthermore, Meyer is free to talk about his bullshit conspiracy theories all he likes on his own time. He has a web site where he rants periodically. And if he were to come to a forum I was running, he would be welcome. Until he broke one of my rules, and then he would leave. My throwing him out doesn't violate his rights. It upholds mine, and the rights of every other attendee. Of course, you are very narrowminded to think that only Meyer had rights there.
In the US, we are expected to understand these principles by 6th grade. Of course, most people are idiots and don't understand a bit. You could go to the ACLU's web site and read Sibyll Liberty's articles for children, explaining what freedom of speech means, and what the limitations are.
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And sweetness, arrest isn't physical abuse. It is restraining a person against their will on the suspicion of violation of laws, or for the safety of the public. Meyer was arrested. Legally.
But you are correct that much of America is better than this. At MY alma mater, this kind of behavior would have NEVER been tolerated. Meyer would have been removed at the FIRST violation of the forum rules, and had he made a scene like this one, then he would have been expelled and prosecuted. Of course the college I attended expected the students to act like adults, not overgrown 2 year olds.
And you are wrong on several other points. I will correct you. He didn't ask a simple question. He asked over a dozen. Rules allowed 1. And telling Ambassador Jett (the moderator) to "fuck off" for asking him to come to the point wasn't "some passion," it was rude, vulgar and a violation of the student code and rules against vulgarity. And it is amazing that so many people are so stupid as to think Meyer's behavior was in any way proper. It wasn't.
FOS denied? Wrong. FOS has nothing to do with this event. The supreme court has consistently ruled for the last 200 years that forum & meeting organizers may restrict the behavior of attendees for the safety & productiveness of the meeting. ACCENT has had the same rules for over 50 years, and they have been upheld a dozen times in court. Including this time. So sorry. You are wrong.
And reggieworth hates all authorities because he was expelled from Winthrop college for behavior similar to Meyer's and invited to leave the US and never return because of his drug dealing and douchebag behavior toward the courts.
MissTeenNottingham, you are one the LAST people that should be talking about someone elses inability to reason after all the pathetic, fallacious & irrelevant bullshit you wrote. Well, all but the last comment, "Thankfully much of America is actually better than this", though I'm sure you were talking about the Police & not as Meyer, as should have been the case. Pathetic, truly pathetic.
@MissTeenNottingham Looks like you've got some of those "simple minded dogs" snarling at you now. Not to worry, the same little trolling crew (often using different aliases) been doing their 'cowardly cur thing' at everyone who comments in opposition to what we see happening here for years now. Amazing isn't it that people could sell themselves & their country out so cheaply, in favor of a brutal police state?
"His right to free speech was definately denied by thugs." Simply not true, not in any way.
It's clear that you either know next to nothing about the events of that day or choosing to ignore the facts. Meyer was not removed, let alone arrested or drive-stunned, for anything he said. Whether you agree with it or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
Did you know that this video was filmed with Meyer's own camera? Did you know that it's been edited? Did you know that the Q&A had been announced to be OVER prior to this footage? Did you know that Meyer had started throwing a fit, yelling & cursing at Kerry because he was pissed off that he wasn't going to get to ask a question? Did you know that he started pushing people out of his way in an effort to get to the nearest mic? cont)
MissTeenNottingham cont) Did you know that he was confronted by ACCENT, the group that had sponsored the forum & that was moderating the Q&A, members AND Police & was ORDERED to leave? Did you know that he, by his own admission in a written interview for MSNBC, refused to do so? Did you know that's Disturbing the Peace &, under Fl law, Trespassing?
You are one of the LAST people that should be talking about a lack of "ability to reason".
It is great to see the forum organizers stand up for their rights. Now if the democrats would grow some balls at their own forums & stand up against the teabaggers LEGALLY, it would be a step forward. Not using union thugs, like they are doing now, because that is illegal and a violation of everyone's rights, but using the Time Manner & Place restrictions to have those people ejected & removed by force if they won't leave peacefully.
"like its been interpreted in different ways based on circumstance" Only if you are an idiot that never understood it in the first place. It is very consistent. Only my property, you have no freedom of speech once I have told you to leave. Same thing in a forum, theatre, movie, meeting. Once you are ejected, you have no right to be there for any purpose. You are such an idiot reggums, no wonder Winthrop expelled you.
"you create dozens of accounts and vote yourself up" Yep. Who told me? You did. Not just me, you've told dozens of people. sk8wurm, ftwwhatever, bullcur, n1k1mon, and so on. I don't care to keep up with your psychosis, but I find it hilarious.
It is hilarious that you have enough time to google every single post I have ever made to respond to them. That is patheticus majoris. But it keeps you distracted from reality, so you haven't killed youself.
seems like its been interpreted in different ways based on circumstance. in this case a lot of people interpret it to mean that when someone asks a question in public they are engaged in protected discourse & hearing the answer to their question is not an unreasonable thing to expect
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you really havent thought this thru have you TROLL?
UF doesn't lack freedom of speech... they lack tolerance for douchebags like Meyer who ignore their rules of conduct & the student code. And they deal with them properly, as he was. Meyer's rights were violated? Then why didn't he take them to court? Why did the ACLU refuse to help him? Why did he plead guilty? Durrrrr.
thats why i keep getting helpful tips from interested parties, like a police officer from oregon who wrote to me telling me about "Megan Meier" and how police are very interested in seeing cases of internet bullies goading people into suicide
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"why didn't he take them to court"
seems to me he exchanged for getting off scott free
Exactly ilsefous... actions >>> words. ACLU abandoned Meyer the second these videos went public because they knew that retard deserved everything that happened to him.
The ACLU? Hmm. Seemed like they talked about his rights being violated... but when it came time to help him in court, they ran for the hills. Any idea why? Well their own lawyers explained it: "The videos released since the event prove that Mr. Meyer's rights were in no way violated. Going to court would be foolish. We have advised Mr. Meyer to accept the plea deal & avoid prosecution because of the probability he will be convicted & jailed."
perhaps because the abuse of power by police was so obvious that only the threat of action was enough to convince the judge that Andrew should receive no fine, no jail & not even community service? [and that he should be let back in school right away]
you really havent thought this thru have you?
if he was guilty of all you lay on him, how come hes not still in jail?
The ACLU statement? LOL! Actions speak a lot louder than words there reggums, and their actions were crystal clear. They refused to help Meyer with his court case, with his plea, or with the university. They hung him out to dry because their lawyers got a good look at this video, and they realized they had zero, zilch, nothing, nada. If they had gone to court, Meyer would be sitting in jail to day. Wish they had.
Oh I flat love with douchebags like Meyer set themselves up for a hard lesson. 1st amendment? SCOTUS has ruled that forums may set time manner & place restrictions. No violation of the 1st. Confirmed when the cops were found to have acted properly, Meyer pled, and the ACLU refused to help him.
Lacks freedom of speech? You'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that. This was a forum. Had rules. He broke them and was thrown out. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
he should be able to ask his question America is slowly becoming a country of stupidity the guy has some pretty good points and the people cheering are morons they should have been enraged that their right to freedom of speech is being trampled all over its like the "rights" people claim we have are just a bunch of empty promises
He is free to ask his questions. He was not free to ask his questions there at that forum, at that time. He violated their rules & was told to leave. End of discussion. Once he was told to leave, he had no right to be there at all. Speaking, taking a shit, sitting, whining, nothing. For no purpose whatsoever.
So sorry, the moron is you, because you don't know that OTHER people have rights too. Follow my forum rules, or get the fuck out.
Also, after the mic was cut-off, just after the "Skull & Bones" reference, the police had no right to lay hands on him until after he was asked to leave or to go outside the forum for a discussion with them. Again, what happened earlier has no bearing on this since he was given permission to question Kerry, after & in spite of his initial outburst.
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@bevewyvewyquiet What happened earlier has every ounce of bearing on this... he acted out, and committed disorderly conduct...was given a second chance to act civilly, and just because he was given permission to ask his question, doesn't mean he is automatically aleviated from what he just did... There's still probable cause to arrest him...that doesn't go away... the police were still going to talk to him after his question, why do you think they were standing behind him?
@batman Fine, they "were still going to talk to him after his question". If he's actually given a "second chance" to address the speaker, no unusual limits on his speech are implied. If he's then confronted & hassled while doing nothing more than addressing his issues with Kerry, without regard to "attitude", you are violating his right of expression. This is not debatable. We do see this clearly in the video.
@bevewyvewyquiet "no unusual limits on his speech are implied" SURE THERE ARE...He still had to follow the rules of the event, no vulgarity, no profanity and 30 seconds to preface and ask a question. Kerry doens't have all day to sit there and hear 400 questions, that's why there were only about 4 people that were given a chance to ask a question. He was told to get to his point, not hassled. His right to freespeech is not what it's cracked up to be in this event with RULES.
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@bevewyvewyquiet his "right of expression" also has limits in the event. He can't just go in there and do what ever he wants with out consequences. Was he arrested for what he said? Nope, he was arrested for his behavior and not wanting to leave, and then added charge of resisting arrest. His right to expression can be expressed in his own event if he wants to organize his own. Then HE can make the rules, kick out anyone he doesn't want there, and act like a jackass all he wants.
Ah... so he gets a second chance, but it's going to be contingent on his choice of subject matter & how he puts it, & this unstated limitation is automatically implied by what they think he was guilty of earlier, even though he was not arrested for it. Is that what you're saying?
@ErsatzFreedonia No, the subject matter is not what got him ejected...he had already acted out and disrupted the event, so he's on thin ice not to break rules. Then when he acts like an asshole hogging the microphone for a minute and a half firing question after question not letting kerry address any of them, their patience was wearing thin (the moderators that is) and THEN when he used the word "BLOWJOB" that was the final straw because there were rules agains profanity and vulgarity.
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so when they cut his microphone for that, then asked the police to remove his disruptive, rule breaking ass, he decided not to comply, now causing a BIGGER scene. MORE DISORDERLY CONDUCT, which at this point they decided enough is enough, and placed him under arrest, of which he resisted, which is why he got tased.
"& this unstated limitation is automatically implied by what they think he was guilty of earlier, even though he was not arrested for it. Is that what you're saying? "
lol. totally
never mind thebatman & ccr5cxcr4, theyr just the local obsessed TROLLs
would you beleive they have been here for years?
they are just pissed off because a federal court has now ruled tasering an unarmed man who poses no immediate threat to be 'excessive force'
The police had every right to "lay hands on him" or drag him bodily out the moment that he refused to leave the premises.
And Kerry wasn't in charge of the forum. He had no ability to grant Meyer the right to stay, or to ask more questions. That was ACCENT's right. And they had already told Meyer to leave.
He was given permission to ask ONE question of Kerry. Not 14.
And actually they CAN limit the topics of discussion. You need to read "time, manner & place" restrictions.
@ErsatzFreedonia shut him down after a few second? LOL didn't get to ask him any questions? HE ASKED 7 questions that I counted. Go to my channel and watch the video I have there, read carefully and learn something.
My count of 14 questions is based on the transcript posted on the ACCENT web site & to listening to this video. If you count only questions that include a complete sentence, then he asked 7.
Also, the rules of the forum were 1 question, 30 seconds, no vulgarity, respectful, student code applies. They had the right to throw him out for any one of the violations, but they were far too patient with him. They should have thrown him out the first time he violated their rules rather than let him get rolling.
Actaully you are wrong. The police had every right to "lay hands on him." He was told to leave, and refused to do so. Eventually they cut his mic off (if you actually watch the video you see that the signal was given BEFORE the S&B question).
And what happened earlier has every bearing if ACCENT decides it does, since it is their forum. They did so decide, and it was so decided.
BTW, if you are going to allow a question at this or any other kind of event where the public is in attendance & especially if a public servant is involved, you CANNOT place limitations on the subject matter of the question. Whatever gripe you may have about the prior conduct of the individual has absolutely no bearing on this. If conduct is bad enough for an arrest to have been made, then arrest, but this was not done. The police should not have been bothering him during his question at all!
@bevewyvewyquiet the issue was not of the content of his questions, it was when he crossed the line and said "blowjob" that the moderators deemed he crossed the line and was now to be ejected. It was when he resisted leaving and caused a bigger scene when the police decided he's under arrest now. They gave him every opportunity to behave as well, and he didn't.
Yeah. Actually, it's supposed to be a Constitutionally limited Republic, in which democracy plays a central role., but it's all unraveling very quickly now, as we can all see.
@bevewyvewyquiet It's not unraveling, it's called following the law, with out them it would be anarchy. The moderators of the event wanted him removed for his behavior, not because of what he was speaking about. They were in charge of the event, not Meyer, not Kerry.
It is unravelling Batman, when cops don't understand the importance of Freedom of Speech & how they're being misused to suppress it. You'll have plenty of "order" in Tianamen square nowadays & in Havanna., but they also have torture, dungeons & unlimited internment for dissidents. Most police there probably think it's great, since they're elevated & empowered over the common people who cower in their presence.
We're not quite all the way there yet, but that's where things are headed, as we now have so called "free speech zones" in cities where politicians and bureaucrats have speeches and conferences & now have people like you arguing that it's a fine thing for police to be used to derail a college kid's questioning of a politician, which certainly is what we see in this video, however you'd like to break it down & weight & rearrange the pieces.
@bevewyvewyquiet I'm not rearaging the pieces... what's so hard to understand there are rules in place for the event and he broke them. THAT got him kicked out of the event. If he would have gone peaceably out of the event, nothing would have happened and he wouldn't have been arrested. HE decided to cause a huge scene which now escalated his behavior into an arrestable offense of which he resisted that arrest now.
@bevewyvewyquiet This was NOT and open town hall forum where you could come and say anything you wanted, start and argument with a politician. It was an organized school event where they had a guest speaker to come and address the students and then take some questions. The event had rules that were to be followed. He was not arrested for what he said, he was arrested for his behavior after being asked to leave.
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The Constitution proves his rights were not violated. Care to dispute that with facts, not opinion?
"no it wasnt"
Was it held by a private company? Yes. Did they put forth their own set of rules? Yes. Did Meyer violate those rules? Yes.
"why do you feel the need to misinform people"
Like when you say the cop sexually molested the female in the skate video? Make sure you bring that up in the Google forum. I'll ask you a question about your hypocrisy and you will run away as usual.
@MisterDTE nope, go to my channel and watch the video I have there that explains everything in detail... the description of this video is misleading. and you don't have to mirandize someone while arresting them, only when you want to ask them questions about the crime nor do you have to tell them what they are being arrested for if they're fighting, UNTIL you get them into custody, which they did inform him what he was under arrest for.
you mean like the ACLU did before making a statement that the police interrupting discourse was a violation of rights as someone who is invited to ask a question has a reasonable expectation to hear the answer?
"This a private event"
no it wasnt liar
it was an open event, ticketed only for space concerns & tickets were first come first served
says so on the accent website. why do you feel the need to misinform people just to push your hate here?
Polise protocal (and federal law) requires the police to read them their rights and inform them of why they are being arrested. And even though I don't agree with the guys point of views the situation could have been handled in a more civilised manner by both police and Meyers. The video does however cut off a few times. Maybe something happened there that makes the cops look liek the bad guys when left out, maybe they did read him his rights and it was cut out. I don't know.
You are correct. At the proper time. Which was after he was in custody, at the station.
The police had no options. Their job is to enforce the law. The property agent (ACCENT) instructed Meyer to leave, and he didn't. So he violated trespassing laws, followed by a half dozen others.
Meyer made a plea deal to escape jail, and the cops were found to have acted correctly in every way.
@Darklink152 That ios not true at all. The rights are read before quesitoning. It is to let them know anything they say will be used in the case against them.
They are supposed to subdue and apprehend someone BEFORE that. I guess people get that crap about reading rights from TV and movies.
@Darklink152 Also, for the first minute of his screaming about being arrested, he was NOT being arrested. Only escorted out and the reson was explained to him when he was initially kicked out (BEFORE this video starts).
@Darklink152 you don't have to read someone their rights in the process of being arrested, only when you want to ask them questions. If they are fighting, you dont' have to inform them until they are fully in custody, which they did inform him after he was in custody. Go to my channel and watch the video I have there of this incident.
@OneLancelotLink they were answered... there's a book that's been written and published about it, you don't think he's responded to it? He did on news shows a long time before this happened.
Kerry tended to vague & generalizing answers which tended also to shift the subject to more innoccuous matter, & as is so typical with politicians on network TV, the questions themselves seemed designed to give him room to make himself look good rather than get to the truth, unlike the more articulated & exampled questions Meyer was framing, as he fended off the flack from Kerry & the "moderator" via the police.
I'd love to have gander at the book, though I can't see how there will be any exonerating answers that actually hold water. It would be fun to compare it to Pallast's & others corroborating his information. Do you have the title/author of the book you refer to?
So you really think he's going to answer some smartass college douchebag causing a scene with the sought after answers? Please. If Meyer wants to get these questions answered, he should organize his own event and do it then! Then he wouldn't get cut off by any moderators and can act anyway he wants. That's freedom of speech.
No Batman, I think he would rather have'"danced a jig" than given a real answer, but it's a fine enterprise anyway to put these slippery, pretend public servants on the spot & make them try to explain away the legit gripes against their conduct.
And I don't think that this kid was just "some smartass college douchebag" as you so smugly, and dismissively put it
(the bias is in neon lights there, bud).
For Senator Kerry, he is a CITIZEN, exercising his right to ask the questions of his choice.
@bevewyvewyquiet they were beholden to the citizens running the event. Kerry wasn't running the event, the student group ACCENT was running the event and told the police they were done with his behavior and wanted him removed. It was their event, it was not a public town hall forum as people think. So what are the cops to do, ignore the people in charge of the event and not remove him when he broke the rules and student codes of conduct?
Sir. Did they offer him a chance to address Kerry? I think so, since I see him getting called upon after waiting quietly as Kerry finishes with the last person.
Next we see a cop pestering him immediately after beginning to explain his question, with nothing more than a bit of irony in his tone. That's not illegal or threatening or dangerous except to Kerry re: his reputation, for being asked to respond to some very troubling "stuff" he'd obviously prefer not to deal with....
...So we rescind his opportunity based on what, again...? Unh huh,... What he's asking about.! And you see sir, this is exactly what you are not allowed to interfere with in this wonderful land of ours, known as the U.S.A.
@bevewyvewyquiet@bevewyvewyquiet The cop did not pester him immediately, she told him to get to his point after about 30 seconds after the moderator asked her to have him get to his point, which was the time limit to preface and ask a question. He then went on for a full minute asking 5 more questions not stopping to let Kerry address even one of them. AND by the way, if you go to the U of F's ACCENT website, you can read the transcript of the event, and Kerry answers the questions
I hear a male voice in his ear @ about 24 seconds & then the female cop has a hand on his back by 30 seconds; quite a ridiculous limitation anyway, which I seriously doubt anyone else would've had to comply with. Again we come to the nature of the questions as the problem. He was getting to his point and the questions were all related, distilling to the spectre of rigged elections & real conspiracy, which is quite an exlposive topic, especially for one so apparently complicit with it as Kerry.
@bevewyvewyquiet that male voice is the MODERATOR of the event asking the police officer to tell Meyer to ask his question because his 30 seconds to ask it is up.Those were the rules, everyone else followed them. He was getting to his point...WHEN? he wouldn't shut up to let Kerry respond to the 7 questions he kept firing at him...if they hadn't of cut his mic off when would he have shut up? By the way, Kerry answers the questions if you read the transcript of the event.
Interesting about the 30 seconds thing now, since your own video said one minute was the standard. I wish I would've been resent to see if the others really were limited so severely. I think you ctually counted the rhetorical "isn't that amazing" as a question & I think this shows your agenda very clearly.
@bevewyvewyquiet The one minute or 30 seconds thing was not clear to me, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and first said one minute, but I also found something that said 30 seconds which I then included in the begining posts inside the video. I'm pretty sure it's 30 seconds to preface and ask a question which is what my video says.
@bevewyvewyquiet It was not HIS event. He was not the host, he was a person attending it and the event was over. He broke the rules and used a vulgarity and the ACCENT event moderators had enough of his grandstanding and wanted him removed. Before what is even shown on this video, he caused a disturbance because he initially wasn't going to get to ask a question.
He is also a citizen & has his basic rights. The forum was not actually over, it was extended & then curtailed. Once they extend it, you can't go back & claim that what happened earlier becomes an excuse to have police bothering him so soon after starting. Kerry himself was trying to cut off his prefacing remarks as soon as he mentioned the book. To me, this is by far the greater vulgarity.
@bevewyvewyquiet "you can't go back..." yes you can.. he disrupted the forum while Kerry was answering what was supposed to be the last question of the day... That's disorderly
Freedom of speach?
dinkus4727 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
notice how it was the NIGGER that said "tase him." fucking filthy CRIMINAL NIGGERS
Lvc6iferi6Satani6 1 month ago
Well, he shouldn't have talked openly. I mean there is free speech but it doesn't mean you can say what you want.
Titant2 3 months ago
The female clown with a badge was crawling up his leg before he took things out of the warm & cozy zone.
His question was somewhat protracted for a mind the size of Kerry's but the only real mistake he made was resisting arrest.
How complete idiots like Kerry and even moreso Bush rose to high positions in govt. is just amazing.
US policing is ridiculous joke.
cyanideisabitterpill 3 months ago 3
@cyanideisabitterpill Well stated! Hats off! Unfortunately, the answer about the 'complete idiots' has the same address as where the kid was taking his question, and very likely why he was stopped...The game is rigged!
HungrySmeade 2 days ago
If he had asked one question in a timely and courteous manner like EVERYONE else did none of this would've happened. Instead he had to make an ass of himself and embarrass the school by being a pompous douchebag. They asked him to leave and he wouldn't.. I really don't understand why people are confused about this. He wouldn't leave and was being disruptive so they had to use force to restore order. He wasn't tased for asking a hard question. He was tased for being disorderly. That simple.
brandon9271 4 months ago
@brandon9271 No. They tased him because he was speaking freely. That's illegal in this country.
TheXemnas 3 months ago
Fail in it's greatest form.
sickweirdo 4 months ago
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Lolbutthurt.
We have freedom of speech.
Just not freedom of jackassery.
DocWilyZ 5 months ago
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No one, not a single one stands up for him, and yet you Americans claim U.S. is the freest, most democratic country in the world and bomb others for suppressing human right???????????????????
kwokshsee 5 months ago
And this is the highly-praised democracy of the US.
Cybraxas 6 months ago
dude look at those people that just blindly look straight ahead while some dude is screaming for help behind them. Jesus, its disgusting as hell.
slangshotstudios 7 months ago 2
Always remember. People run their government. The government dont run their people.
Stevie654321sc 7 months ago
this is why cops are considered scum by 99.9% of people living in newzealand
paceha 8 months ago
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Good title. It does justice to the video.
MisterDTE 8 months ago
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They arrested him for inciting a riot. He was showing aggressive and uncontrollable behavior. He also resisted arrest multiple times. This isn't a conspiracy. This isn't a violation of freedom of speech. It's a nerd getting tasered for breaking the law.....
TheCaptainLucky 8 months ago
FUCK THE POLICE.
They're a bunch of pigs for the most part. I know some good cops, but most of them are just gestapo assholes like thsi.
Sebas3440 8 months ago
que merda hein. olha onde se chega por querer liberdade de expressão.
O melhor é que ninguem fez nada para ajudar, sendo que ele não fez nada alem de perguntar.
scadoufax 9 months ago
What a free country!
rafaelburigo 9 months ago
wow. i cant even begin to express how much this pisses me off. FUCK YOU
somikicksass 10 months ago
False Arrest and Police Brutality, The University's Gestapo should be fired
MrBlah15000 11 months ago
There's no freedom of anything in the U.S. When you realize that and start complaining, then they start gang stalking you. Watch GANG STALKING TV, GANG STALKING SURVIVOR, MONARCH II (PT TWELVE) videos on YouTube to see what I mean.
1975Aspen 1 year ago
I hate America. Videos like this make me sick.
ReAveRv 1 year ago
And people wonder where the term "only in America.." comes from .. Here's one for you "Only in America where freedom is considered a right, does freedom come through 30,000 volts."
itsfkndemsiibaby 1 year ago
I fucking hate people. Im goin an hero.
Marzbarz007 1 year ago
I didn't do anything!
BZZBZBZBZZBZZZBZZZ
Greysnow187 1 year ago
dont tase me, bro, dont tase me!!! ^^ LMAOO!
Cindineitor 1 year ago
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To all those saying this was free speech infringment here. He was'nt arrested or tazed because of what he was saying, he was arrested for wanting to ask 3 questions instead of 1, and instead of asking his first question he just goes into a massive idiotic tirade. By being an obnoxious prick on the mick he was selfishly denying he fellow students time to ask their questions. He was tazed because he was actively resisting arrest as can be seen on the video.
Also he squeeled like a little bitch.
JustAnotherGuy186 1 year ago
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That's not a crime, I've seen people do it all the time. He had the right to resist because he hadn't done anything, the police officers were abusing their power and he screamed because he had around 30,000 volts running through him, it really fucking hurts.
adster700 1 year ago 3
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@adster700 Him stopping his fellow students asking questions is not a crime or a bad thing? Also its stupid to physicly resist the police, you won't win against them and they'll only use the fact you resisted against you later, you don't have a "right" to physicly resist them. If you feel the police abused their power you file complaints against them and the force, go to the courts and you contact the media and say what happened. And come on, he was blatantly milking it after they tazed him.
JustAnotherGuy186 1 year ago
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Actually, he is allowed to ask the police why they're arresting him. They didn't answer or give a reason, and if they did it wasn't valid. Disallowing other students to not ask questions isn't illegal, it's just ignorant but ignorance isn't illegal. I didn't make it clear when I said he had the right to resist, I didn't mean physically but I meant verbally he was allowed because the police were wrong in this scenario. This is why American police seriously suck.
adster700 1 year ago
@JustAnotherGuy186 Thank you. The psuedo hippies of today need a cause to make them feel self important so they defend douche nozzles like this guy for being a chode. He could've asked one question and sat down but he felt like he had to right to get up there and grandstand on a soapbox instead of waiting his turn like everybody else. They asked him to leave and he didn't.. so force was used. People trying to equate this to some sort of civil rights violation need to pull their heads out
brandon9271 4 months ago
Its stuff like this that fuels all the anti american hatred.
maggru91 1 year ago
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And it's the amount of retards that lack the knowledge of what else is going on in the world. And the ones who think the US is the greatest country in the world. And the racists, the retarded politicians who know shit about the rights. There's lots more, but once you get past all the crap the US is an alright place.
adster700 1 year ago
The police was just doing their job (though looked stupid), the student was just innocently asking question, Kerry was just helpless as usual. So whose fault for this episode?
It's the stupid UF that didn't rehearse the forum. All questions should have been approved in advance. Only students with approved questions could hold the mic. So simple as that.
Forget about freedom of speech. It doesn't happen anywhere.
nighthour 1 year ago
@nighthour Oh, YAY! Way to roll over! Life is simple & easy if you weaken, right?
Wrong, slave! Many good men died to defend the rights you're so willing to toss on the ash heap of history. Won't you be surprised when you find out how right it was to fight for them, when you discover just exactly how un-gilded & confining your cage can become!
EffinghamHuffnagle 1 year ago 7
Freedom of speech my ass!
Tazors FTW!
liuton2005 1 year ago
this guy screams for help six or seven times and what do the americans do nothing yep sounds just about right
Mrtruthfulspeaks 1 year ago
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What a fag.
Flarkman383 1 year ago
what is wrong with those people... some smiling on camera.. some just ignoring it.. why the thell no one is standing up and saying fuck you uf!!!
dographik 1 year ago
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he resisted arrest....its a crime....when he was tlking he started to yell, tht was his first mistake...then when they told him to stop he snapped at them and continued, also a bad mistake..then when they tried to remove him he started to flail and yell and run away..which if u do so u r allowed to b tazed
pangexp 1 year ago
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he resisted arrest....its a crime....when he was tlking he started to yell, tht was his first mistake...then when they told him to stop he snapped at them and continued, also a bad mistake..then when they tried to remove him he started to flail and yell and run away..which if u do so u r allowed to b tazed
pangexp 1 year ago
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BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that fuckin troll got what he deserved...Jesus H. Christ, I fuckin hate wannabe know-it-all journalists....""DONT TAZE ME BRO!!! WAAAAHHH!!!""....what a pussy lol..
SirkleMusic 1 year ago
Hopefully those worthless fucking pig cunts get beaten to death at some point. Scumbags.
VanishingWish 1 year ago
I was fined $500 for offering to teach a child how to play chess. The USA really sucks nowadays. I wish I could afford to leave.
Please see my vids for more info.
georgegrasser 1 year ago
Typical for a fascist state. Arrest anyone who says things which are uncomfortable.
dihydrohydroxycodein 1 year ago 5
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@dihydrohydroxycodein That did not happen at all.
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
what...the fuck....is happening over there ( in the US i mean ) ?!!?
Damn why don't the people there do something !
cr4yv3n 1 year ago 2
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@cr4yv3n For what? this isn't what these vids or these "protest for tyhe sake of protest" people pretended it to be. look it up. It was simply a case of a kid getting kicked out for his behavior then pretending to be arrested for speaking his mind.
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
@tobiasrobbins72 I'm sorry.."pretending to be arrested" ?So what, like he imagined he was arrested or what?
Too much footage of US cops getting trigger happy on these new electric toys they got.
"Oh it's not lethal, fire at will boyz!!!boooya!!"
cr4yv3n 1 year ago 8
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@cr4yv3n Yes, he was pretendig to be arrested BEFORE the video starts according to eyewitneeses and ON VIDEO for the first 60 seconds or so after they cut the mic,. he was NOt being arrested and it is obvious, but he is screaming that he is. That is one of the reasons HE WAS eventually arrested. if he would have siply walked out, that would not have happened.
The footage COMPLETELY supports the cops. This has already been invesitgated and in court. Even the ACLU says the cops were not wrong.
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
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Actually the fact that he refused to leave after being ejected did give the cops the right to remove him by force, and his resisting them gave them the right to tase him. Which is why they were cleared, and he lost in court.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
Can you say "Civil Suit"? These rent-A-Cops would so be in the soup lines!
dearmeat1971 1 year ago
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No, dearmeat1971, but I can say no grounds for any suit. Like it or agree with it, or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
redrumrob 1 year ago
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Can you say "Meyer pled"? Cause that is what he did. Can you say "ignorant twat"? Cause that is what you are. The "rent-a-cops" were florida state police. And Meyer tried to sue. His lawyers warned him not to, the ACLU dropped him as a client, and he pled guilty.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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@dearmeat1971 LOL There is no room for a civil suit. too many eye witnesses and video evidence. Meyer actually worked out an apology and guilty plea. He has no grounds for a suit.
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
your country is fucked up.. soon there will be concentration camps, and a hitler on power...
freenando75 1 year ago 21
@freenando75 Sheriff joe maricopa or whatever it's spelled has already his concentration camps LOL!
JordanWilde 1 year ago
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"Just because his question seems like an action of acting out to some that doesn't give those fucking cops the right to taze him. This is ridiculous.." Yes, that comment IS "ridiculous" & has NO foundation in what happened that day. Meyer was not removed, let alone arrested or drive-stunned, for anything he said that day. Like it or agree with it, or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
redrumrob 1 year ago
ahah that was hilarious DONT TAZE ME BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
nephew455 1 year ago
They shoulnd't have tased him, sure he was acting like a jackass but he wasn't breaking any laws. Almost noone in the crowd supported him so all he was doing was making an ass of himself anyway. What an idiot...
thewowhead 1 year ago
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"They shoulnd't have tased him, sure he was acting like a jackass but he wasn't breaking any laws." Simply not true. By the time he was drive-stunned into compliance he'd broken at least 4 laws. The laws he broke, in the order he broke them were; Disturbing the Peace, Trespassing, Resisting an Officer with Violence, Inciting a Riot & Resisting Arrest.
Yeah, he DID make an "ass of himself" & he WAS an "idiot" that day.
redrumrob 1 year ago
what a lot of mofos. Fucking retards cops... What the fuck is wrong with em....
irlrp 1 year ago 22
@irlrp for your information they're not cops....they're rent-a-cops, glorified police farts bleh. u get the idea
coutiya2007 1 year ago
Hooray for police brutallity
MisterDTE 1 year ago
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His right to free speech was definately denied by thugs. It's obvious. Isn't it amazing that a young man cannot ask a simple question with some passion without getting physically abused for doing so ? Weak minded security guards are like dogs with simple brains. No ability to reason. Thankfully much of America is actually better than this
MissTeenNottingham 1 year ago 17
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Well it is obvious that you do not understand freedom of speech. Do you think you have the right to come to my house and talk about anything you like? Do you think the fact you have something to say overrides my right to throw you out? If you do, you are wrong. I can throw you out by force if I like. Same for a forum. If you break their rules, then they can tell you to leave, and at that moment you have no right to be there for any reason. Speaking or otherwise.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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And no, he may not ask more than one question at this forum under any circumstances. Forum rules 1 question 30 seconds no vulgarity. And speaking of being weak minded, those weren't security guards, they were Florida State police, there to ensure that the forum was peaceful. And they had a far superior ability to reason than you. They understood that the moment Meyer refused to leave, he was trespassing illegally, and when he became disruptive, their duty was to remove him.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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Furthermore, Meyer is free to talk about his bullshit conspiracy theories all he likes on his own time. He has a web site where he rants periodically. And if he were to come to a forum I was running, he would be welcome. Until he broke one of my rules, and then he would leave. My throwing him out doesn't violate his rights. It upholds mine, and the rights of every other attendee. Of course, you are very narrowminded to think that only Meyer had rights there.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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In the US, we are expected to understand these principles by 6th grade. Of course, most people are idiots and don't understand a bit. You could go to the ACLU's web site and read Sibyll Liberty's articles for children, explaining what freedom of speech means, and what the limitations are.
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And sweetness, arrest isn't physical abuse. It is restraining a person against their will on the suspicion of violation of laws, or for the safety of the public. Meyer was arrested. Legally.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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But you are correct that much of America is better than this. At MY alma mater, this kind of behavior would have NEVER been tolerated. Meyer would have been removed at the FIRST violation of the forum rules, and had he made a scene like this one, then he would have been expelled and prosecuted. Of course the college I attended expected the students to act like adults, not overgrown 2 year olds.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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And you are wrong on several other points. I will correct you. He didn't ask a simple question. He asked over a dozen. Rules allowed 1. And telling Ambassador Jett (the moderator) to "fuck off" for asking him to come to the point wasn't "some passion," it was rude, vulgar and a violation of the student code and rules against vulgarity. And it is amazing that so many people are so stupid as to think Meyer's behavior was in any way proper. It wasn't.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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Thugs? Wrong. Florida State police. Found to have acted correctly in every way. Abused? Wrong. Arrested for breaking several laws.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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FOS denied? Wrong. FOS has nothing to do with this event. The supreme court has consistently ruled for the last 200 years that forum & meeting organizers may restrict the behavior of attendees for the safety & productiveness of the meeting. ACCENT has had the same rules for over 50 years, and they have been upheld a dozen times in court. Including this time. So sorry. You are wrong.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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And reggieworth hates all authorities because he was expelled from Winthrop college for behavior similar to Meyer's and invited to leave the US and never return because of his drug dealing and douchebag behavior toward the courts.
Rasnixful 1 year ago
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MissTeenNottingham, you are one the LAST people that should be talking about someone elses inability to reason after all the pathetic, fallacious & irrelevant bullshit you wrote. Well, all but the last comment, "Thankfully much of America is actually better than this", though I'm sure you were talking about the Police & not as Meyer, as should have been the case. Pathetic, truly pathetic.
redrumrob 1 year ago
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@MissTeenNottingham Looks like you've got some of those "simple minded dogs" snarling at you now. Not to worry, the same little trolling crew (often using different aliases) been doing their 'cowardly cur thing' at everyone who comments in opposition to what we see happening here for years now. Amazing isn't it that people could sell themselves & their country out so cheaply, in favor of a brutal police state?
Salud
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago 12
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"His right to free speech was definately denied by thugs." Simply not true, not in any way.
It's clear that you either know next to nothing about the events of that day or choosing to ignore the facts. Meyer was not removed, let alone arrested or drive-stunned, for anything he said. Whether you agree with it or not, the fact remains that THESE Officers, in THIS situation, did NOTHING wrong.
redrumrob 1 year ago
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Did you know that this video was filmed with Meyer's own camera? Did you know that it's been edited? Did you know that the Q&A had been announced to be OVER prior to this footage? Did you know that Meyer had started throwing a fit, yelling & cursing at Kerry because he was pissed off that he wasn't going to get to ask a question? Did you know that he started pushing people out of his way in an effort to get to the nearest mic? cont)
redrumrob 1 year ago
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MissTeenNottingham cont) Did you know that he was confronted by ACCENT, the group that had sponsored the forum & that was moderating the Q&A, members AND Police & was ORDERED to leave? Did you know that he, by his own admission in a written interview for MSNBC, refused to do so? Did you know that's Disturbing the Peace &, under Fl law, Trespassing?
You are one of the LAST people that should be talking about a lack of "ability to reason".
redrumrob 1 year ago
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FTWEVERYONE / TopLayerEscort / Padraa / 311roadrag / 5k88 / 5k8r2 / sk8wurm / SG55OVCam / Nicholasix / Tedknows / OneLancelotLink / Idolcruisefix / Fantasiosis1 / greenspeakryan
All the same person. Look at the accounts. Read the comments. All the same guy. Roflol.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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"All the same person. Look at the accounts"
im glad you recommend that people look at the accounts. it just shows how wrong you are
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it has been a pleasure watching you unravell
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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It is great to see the forum organizers stand up for their rights. Now if the democrats would grow some balls at their own forums & stand up against the teabaggers LEGALLY, it would be a step forward. Not using union thugs, like they are doing now, because that is illegal and a violation of everyone's rights, but using the Time Manner & Place restrictions to have those people ejected & removed by force if they won't leave peacefully.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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wow, a real comment! very good TROLL!
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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All the same person. Look at the accounts. Read the comments. All the same guy. Roflol.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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"like its been interpreted in different ways based on circumstance" Only if you are an idiot that never understood it in the first place. It is very consistent. Only my property, you have no freedom of speech once I have told you to leave. Same thing in a forum, theatre, movie, meeting. Once you are ejected, you have no right to be there for any purpose. You are such an idiot reggums, no wonder Winthrop expelled you.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago 3
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"you create dozens of accounts and vote yourself up" Yep. Who told me? You did. Not just me, you've told dozens of people. sk8wurm, ftwwhatever, bullcur, n1k1mon, and so on. I don't care to keep up with your psychosis, but I find it hilarious.
It is hilarious that you have enough time to google every single post I have ever made to respond to them. That is patheticus majoris. But it keeps you distracted from reality, so you haven't killed youself.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago 4
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Lacks freedom of speech? In what way? Bullshit. You don't know what FOS means. They threw Meyer out for breaking forum rules. It was their right.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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@MeyerDeservedArrest
"You don't know what FOS means"
seems like its been interpreted in different ways based on circumstance. in this case a lot of people interpret it to mean that when someone asks a question in public they are engaged in protected discourse & hearing the answer to their question is not an unreasonable thing to expect
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you really havent thought this thru have you TROLL?
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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UF doesn't lack freedom of speech... they lack tolerance for douchebags like Meyer who ignore their rules of conduct & the student code. And they deal with them properly, as he was. Meyer's rights were violated? Then why didn't he take them to court? Why did the ACLU refuse to help him? Why did he plead guilty? Durrrrr.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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"they lack tolerance for douchebags like Meyer"
and TROLLs like you
thats why i keep getting helpful tips from interested parties, like a police officer from oregon who wrote to me telling me about "Megan Meier" and how police are very interested in seeing cases of internet bullies goading people into suicide
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"why didn't he take them to court"
seems to me he exchanged for getting off scott free
you do know he went straight back to school
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"Durrrrr"
nice of you to sign your comment
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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Exactly ilsefous... actions >>> words. ACLU abandoned Meyer the second these videos went public because they knew that retard deserved everything that happened to him.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago 5
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The ACLU? Hmm. Seemed like they talked about his rights being violated... but when it came time to help him in court, they ran for the hills. Any idea why? Well their own lawyers explained it: "The videos released since the event prove that Mr. Meyer's rights were in no way violated. Going to court would be foolish. We have advised Mr. Meyer to accept the plea deal & avoid prosecution because of the probability he will be convicted & jailed."
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 1 year ago 4
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"Well their own lawyers explained it"
reference?
"they ran for the hills. Any idea why? "
perhaps because the abuse of power by police was so obvious that only the threat of action was enough to convince the judge that Andrew should receive no fine, no jail & not even community service? [and that he should be let back in school right away]
you really havent thought this thru have you?
if he was guilty of all you lay on him, how come hes not still in jail?
find a new hobby loser
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
I swear if i had been there i would have done everything in my power to get the cops of him and probably get tazed and arrested too.
AkamuSlayer 1 year ago
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The ACLU statement? LOL! Actions speak a lot louder than words there reggums, and their actions were crystal clear. They refused to help Meyer with his court case, with his plea, or with the university. They hung him out to dry because their lawyers got a good look at this video, and they realized they had zero, zilch, nothing, nada. If they had gone to court, Meyer would be sitting in jail to day. Wish they had.
daveyj60 1 year ago
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freedom of speech doesnt exist
ratcunt999 1 year ago
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All the serious discussion about the ethics of the situation, how was in the wrong here, and was this suppression of the 1st amendment aside...
I was just cracking up at the taser part. :D
Bonziibomb 1 year ago
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Oh I flat love with douchebags like Meyer set themselves up for a hard lesson. 1st amendment? SCOTUS has ruled that forums may set time manner & place restrictions. No violation of the 1st. Confirmed when the cops were found to have acted properly, Meyer pled, and the ACLU refused to help him.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 1 year ago
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"SCOTUS has ruled that forums may set time manner & place restrictions"
it wasnt the forum or forum workers who interrupted Andrew's discourse with Kerry. it was the agents of government a.k.a. police
"Confirmed when the cops were found to have acted properly"
you mean the taser inquiry?
it was confirmed that the police acted inappropriately when the judge laffed out a bunch of the charges then gave him a light slap on the hand
find a new hobby loser
Reggieworth 1 year ago 2
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Lacks freedom of speech? You'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that. This was a forum. Had rules. He broke them and was thrown out. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
MeyerDeservedArrest 1 year ago
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shut up TROLL
"Nothing to do with freedom of speech"
you need to read the ACLU statement on this. they were pretty clear
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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he should be able to ask his question America is slowly becoming a country of stupidity the guy has some pretty good points and the people cheering are morons they should have been enraged that their right to freedom of speech is being trampled all over its like the "rights" people claim we have are just a bunch of empty promises
iamprincessashley 1 year ago
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He is free to ask his questions. He was not free to ask his questions there at that forum, at that time. He violated their rules & was told to leave. End of discussion. Once he was told to leave, he had no right to be there at all. Speaking, taking a shit, sitting, whining, nothing. For no purpose whatsoever.
So sorry, the moron is you, because you don't know that OTHER people have rights too. Follow my forum rules, or get the fuck out.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago 7
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Also, after the mic was cut-off, just after the "Skull & Bones" reference, the police had no right to lay hands on him until after he was asked to leave or to go outside the forum for a discussion with them. Again, what happened earlier has no bearing on this since he was given permission to question Kerry, after & in spite of his initial outburst.
& I think you know this very well, 101069!
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
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@bevewyvewyquiet What happened earlier has every ounce of bearing on this... he acted out, and committed disorderly conduct...was given a second chance to act civilly, and just because he was given permission to ask his question, doesn't mean he is automatically aleviated from what he just did... There's still probable cause to arrest him...that doesn't go away... the police were still going to talk to him after his question, why do you think they were standing behind him?
thebatman101069 1 year ago
@batman Fine, they "were still going to talk to him after his question". If he's actually given a "second chance" to address the speaker, no unusual limits on his speech are implied. If he's then confronted & hassled while doing nothing more than addressing his issues with Kerry, without regard to "attitude", you are violating his right of expression. This is not debatable. We do see this clearly in the video.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 2
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@bevewyvewyquiet "no unusual limits on his speech are implied" SURE THERE ARE...He still had to follow the rules of the event, no vulgarity, no profanity and 30 seconds to preface and ask a question. Kerry doens't have all day to sit there and hear 400 questions, that's why there were only about 4 people that were given a chance to ask a question. He was told to get to his point, not hassled. His right to freespeech is not what it's cracked up to be in this event with RULES.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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@bevewyvewyquiet his "right of expression" also has limits in the event. He can't just go in there and do what ever he wants with out consequences. Was he arrested for what he said? Nope, he was arrested for his behavior and not wanting to leave, and then added charge of resisting arrest. His right to expression can be expressed in his own event if he wants to organize his own. Then HE can make the rules, kick out anyone he doesn't want there, and act like a jackass all he wants.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
Ah... so he gets a second chance, but it's going to be contingent on his choice of subject matter & how he puts it, & this unstated limitation is automatically implied by what they think he was guilty of earlier, even though he was not arrested for it. Is that what you're saying?
ErsatzFreedonia 1 year ago 2
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@ErsatzFreedonia No, the subject matter is not what got him ejected...he had already acted out and disrupted the event, so he's on thin ice not to break rules. Then when he acts like an asshole hogging the microphone for a minute and a half firing question after question not letting kerry address any of them, their patience was wearing thin (the moderators that is) and THEN when he used the word "BLOWJOB" that was the final straw because there were rules agains profanity and vulgarity.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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so when they cut his microphone for that, then asked the police to remove his disruptive, rule breaking ass, he decided not to comply, now causing a BIGGER scene. MORE DISORDERLY CONDUCT, which at this point they decided enough is enough, and placed him under arrest, of which he resisted, which is why he got tased.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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"& this unstated limitation is automatically implied by what they think he was guilty of earlier, even though he was not arrested for it. Is that what you're saying? "
lol. totally
never mind thebatman & ccr5cxcr4, theyr just the local obsessed TROLLs
would you beleive they have been here for years?
they are just pissed off because a federal court has now ruled tasering an unarmed man who poses no immediate threat to be 'excessive force'
do not feed the loser TROLLs
Reggieworth 1 year ago
The police had every right to "lay hands on him" or drag him bodily out the moment that he refused to leave the premises.
And Kerry wasn't in charge of the forum. He had no ability to grant Meyer the right to stay, or to ask more questions. That was ACCENT's right. And they had already told Meyer to leave.
He was given permission to ask ONE question of Kerry. Not 14.
And actually they CAN limit the topics of discussion. You need to read "time, manner & place" restrictions.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago
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@ ccr5. 14 Questions? You're funny. But, they didn't do it then (drag him out before this video starts).
They agreed to let him talk, but then began to shut him down before he'd asked any questions, after only a few seconds of beginning to address Kerry.
After they cut him off they grabbed him before even asking & giving him a chance to come out of the room peaceably.
His reaction is easy to understand, and these "police" were anything but professional in their conduct.
ErsatzFreedonia 1 year ago 7
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@ErsatzFreedonia shut him down after a few second? LOL didn't get to ask him any questions? HE ASKED 7 questions that I counted. Go to my channel and watch the video I have there, read carefully and learn something.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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My count of 14 questions is based on the transcript posted on the ACCENT web site & to listening to this video. If you count only questions that include a complete sentence, then he asked 7.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago
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shut up TROLL
Reggieworth 1 year ago
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Also, the rules of the forum were 1 question, 30 seconds, no vulgarity, respectful, student code applies. They had the right to throw him out for any one of the violations, but they were far too patient with him. They should have thrown him out the first time he violated their rules rather than let him get rolling.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago
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Actaully you are wrong. The police had every right to "lay hands on him." He was told to leave, and refused to do so. Eventually they cut his mic off (if you actually watch the video you see that the signal was given BEFORE the S&B question).
And what happened earlier has every bearing if ACCENT decides it does, since it is their forum. They did so decide, and it was so decided.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago
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BTW, if you are going to allow a question at this or any other kind of event where the public is in attendance & especially if a public servant is involved, you CANNOT place limitations on the subject matter of the question. Whatever gripe you may have about the prior conduct of the individual has absolutely no bearing on this. If conduct is bad enough for an arrest to have been made, then arrest, but this was not done. The police should not have been bothering him during his question at all!
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 5
@bevewyvewyquiet the issue was not of the content of his questions, it was when he crossed the line and said "blowjob" that the moderators deemed he crossed the line and was now to be ejected. It was when he resisted leaving and caused a bigger scene when the police decided he's under arrest now. They gave him every opportunity to behave as well, and he didn't.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
The american democracy
Rimber6 1 year ago
Yeah. Actually, it's supposed to be a Constitutionally limited Republic, in which democracy plays a central role., but it's all unraveling very quickly now, as we can all see.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 7
@bevewyvewyquiet It's not unraveling, it's called following the law, with out them it would be anarchy. The moderators of the event wanted him removed for his behavior, not because of what he was speaking about. They were in charge of the event, not Meyer, not Kerry.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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It is unravelling Batman, when cops don't understand the importance of Freedom of Speech & how they're being misused to suppress it. You'll have plenty of "order" in Tianamen square nowadays & in Havanna., but they also have torture, dungeons & unlimited internment for dissidents. Most police there probably think it's great, since they're elevated & empowered over the common people who cower in their presence.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 6
We're not quite all the way there yet, but that's where things are headed, as we now have so called "free speech zones" in cities where politicians and bureaucrats have speeches and conferences & now have people like you arguing that it's a fine thing for police to be used to derail a college kid's questioning of a politician, which certainly is what we see in this video, however you'd like to break it down & weight & rearrange the pieces.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 3
@bevewyvewyquiet I'm not rearaging the pieces... what's so hard to understand there are rules in place for the event and he broke them. THAT got him kicked out of the event. If he would have gone peaceably out of the event, nothing would have happened and he wouldn't have been arrested. HE decided to cause a huge scene which now escalated his behavior into an arrestable offense of which he resisted that arrest now.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet This was NOT and open town hall forum where you could come and say anything you wanted, start and argument with a politician. It was an organized school event where they had a guest speaker to come and address the students and then take some questions. The event had rules that were to be followed. He was not arrested for what he said, he was arrested for his behavior after being asked to leave.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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The Constitution proves his rights were not violated. Care to dispute that with facts, not opinion?
"no it wasnt"
Was it held by a private company? Yes. Did they put forth their own set of rules? Yes. Did Meyer violate those rules? Yes.
"why do you feel the need to misinform people"
Like when you say the cop sexually molested the female in the skate video? Make sure you bring that up in the Google forum. I'll ask you a question about your hypocrisy and you will run away as usual.
xxYouTub3Policexx 1 year ago
Stop using troll accounts and spamming these videos. This is a cut clear case of police brutallity. Now get a hobby.
MisterDTE 1 year ago
"This is a cut clear case of police brutallity"
It is? Not according to Meyer.
xxYouTub3Policexx 1 year ago
Good title. It does justice to the video.
MisterDTE 1 year ago
@MisterDTE nope, go to my channel and watch the video I have there that explains everything in detail... the description of this video is misleading. and you don't have to mirandize someone while arresting them, only when you want to ask them questions about the crime nor do you have to tell them what they are being arrested for if they're fighting, UNTIL you get them into custody, which they did inform him what he was under arrest for.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
Freedom of Speech was not violated in this incident. Read the Constitution regarding pertaining to the issue. This a private event.
xxYouTub3Policexx 1 year ago
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"Read the Constitution"
you mean like the ACLU did before making a statement that the police interrupting discourse was a violation of rights as someone who is invited to ask a question has a reasonable expectation to hear the answer?
"This a private event"
no it wasnt liar
it was an open event, ticketed only for space concerns & tickets were first come first served
says so on the accent website. why do you feel the need to misinform people just to push your hate here?
find a new hobby loser
Reggieworth 1 year ago 4
THAT is fucking bullshit
ImACoolGuy1901 1 year ago
A very very stupid man. He got tasered because he was resisting arrest. You do not resist the police, ever.
bahoxu 1 year ago
Polise protocal (and federal law) requires the police to read them their rights and inform them of why they are being arrested. And even though I don't agree with the guys point of views the situation could have been handled in a more civilised manner by both police and Meyers. The video does however cut off a few times. Maybe something happened there that makes the cops look liek the bad guys when left out, maybe they did read him his rights and it was cut out. I don't know.
Darklink152 1 year ago
You are correct. At the proper time. Which was after he was in custody, at the station.
The police had no options. Their job is to enforce the law. The property agent (ACCENT) instructed Meyer to leave, and he didn't. So he violated trespassing laws, followed by a half dozen others.
Meyer made a plea deal to escape jail, and the cops were found to have acted correctly in every way.
ccr5cxcr4 1 year ago
@Darklink152 That ios not true at all. The rights are read before quesitoning. It is to let them know anything they say will be used in the case against them.
They are supposed to subdue and apprehend someone BEFORE that. I guess people get that crap about reading rights from TV and movies.
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
@Darklink152 Also, for the first minute of his screaming about being arrested, he was NOT being arrested. Only escorted out and the reson was explained to him when he was initially kicked out (BEFORE this video starts).
tobiasrobbins72 1 year ago
@Darklink152 you don't have to read someone their rights in the process of being arrested, only when you want to ask them questions. If they are fighting, you dont' have to inform them until they are fully in custody, which they did inform him after he was in custody. Go to my channel and watch the video I have there of this incident.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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never mind thebatman, hes just the local TROLL
him & tobias72 have been harassing people on this vdieo together for over TWO YEARS
look how when you didnt reply to tobi for a week, thebatTROLL repeats the same stuff to try and bait the argument with you again
these guys claim to be adults!
do not feed the loser TROLL
Reggieworth 1 year ago
This is disgusting!
Those are questions that need to be answered!
To think that it's come to this in America....!
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago
@OneLancelotLink they were answered... there's a book that's been written and published about it, you don't think he's responded to it? He did on news shows a long time before this happened.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
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@Batman I saw some of those "news" programs...
Kerry tended to vague & generalizing answers which tended also to shift the subject to more innoccuous matter, & as is so typical with politicians on network TV, the questions themselves seemed designed to give him room to make himself look good rather than get to the truth, unlike the more articulated & exampled questions Meyer was framing, as he fended off the flack from Kerry & the "moderator" via the police.
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago 4
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I'd love to have gander at the book, though I can't see how there will be any exonerating answers that actually hold water. It would be fun to compare it to Pallast's & others corroborating his information. Do you have the title/author of the book you refer to?
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago 4
So you really think he's going to answer some smartass college douchebag causing a scene with the sought after answers? Please. If Meyer wants to get these questions answered, he should organize his own event and do it then! Then he wouldn't get cut off by any moderators and can act anyway he wants. That's freedom of speech.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
No Batman, I think he would rather have'"danced a jig" than given a real answer, but it's a fine enterprise anyway to put these slippery, pretend public servants on the spot & make them try to explain away the legit gripes against their conduct.
And I don't think that this kid was just "some smartass college douchebag" as you so smugly, and dismissively put it
(the bias is in neon lights there, bud).
For Senator Kerry, he is a CITIZEN, exercising his right to ask the questions of his choice.
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago 2
And by the way, if you're a cop, you are a public servant & beholden to the citizens also.
You need to adjust your attitude & respect this concept, because it is the foundation principle of this Nation.
'Better "get some religion" !
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago 2
@bevewyvewyquiet,
Exactly right. Well said, too.
OneLancelotLink 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet they were beholden to the citizens running the event. Kerry wasn't running the event, the student group ACCENT was running the event and told the police they were done with his behavior and wanted him removed. It was their event, it was not a public town hall forum as people think. So what are the cops to do, ignore the people in charge of the event and not remove him when he broke the rules and student codes of conduct?
thebatman101069 1 year ago
Sir. Did they offer him a chance to address Kerry? I think so, since I see him getting called upon after waiting quietly as Kerry finishes with the last person.
Next we see a cop pestering him immediately after beginning to explain his question, with nothing more than a bit of irony in his tone. That's not illegal or threatening or dangerous except to Kerry re: his reputation, for being asked to respond to some very troubling "stuff" he'd obviously prefer not to deal with....
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
...So we rescind his opportunity based on what, again...? Unh huh,... What he's asking about.! And you see sir, this is exactly what you are not allowed to interfere with in this wonderful land of ours, known as the U.S.A.
OK?
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet @bevewyvewyquiet The cop did not pester him immediately, she told him to get to his point after about 30 seconds after the moderator asked her to have him get to his point, which was the time limit to preface and ask a question. He then went on for a full minute asking 5 more questions not stopping to let Kerry address even one of them. AND by the way, if you go to the U of F's ACCENT website, you can read the transcript of the event, and Kerry answers the questions
thebatman101069 1 year ago
I hear a male voice in his ear @ about 24 seconds & then the female cop has a hand on his back by 30 seconds; quite a ridiculous limitation anyway, which I seriously doubt anyone else would've had to comply with. Again we come to the nature of the questions as the problem. He was getting to his point and the questions were all related, distilling to the spectre of rigged elections & real conspiracy, which is quite an exlposive topic, especially for one so apparently complicit with it as Kerry.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet that male voice is the MODERATOR of the event asking the police officer to tell Meyer to ask his question because his 30 seconds to ask it is up.Those were the rules, everyone else followed them. He was getting to his point...WHEN? he wouldn't shut up to let Kerry respond to the 7 questions he kept firing at him...if they hadn't of cut his mic off when would he have shut up? By the way, Kerry answers the questions if you read the transcript of the event.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
Interesting about the 30 seconds thing now, since your own video said one minute was the standard. I wish I would've been resent to see if the others really were limited so severely. I think you ctually counted the rhetorical "isn't that amazing" as a question & I think this shows your agenda very clearly.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet The one minute or 30 seconds thing was not clear to me, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and first said one minute, but I also found something that said 30 seconds which I then included in the begining posts inside the video. I'm pretty sure it's 30 seconds to preface and ask a question which is what my video says.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet It was not HIS event. He was not the host, he was a person attending it and the event was over. He broke the rules and used a vulgarity and the ACCENT event moderators had enough of his grandstanding and wanted him removed. Before what is even shown on this video, he caused a disturbance because he initially wasn't going to get to ask a question.
thebatman101069 1 year ago
He is also a citizen & has his basic rights. The forum was not actually over, it was extended & then curtailed. Once they extend it, you can't go back & claim that what happened earlier becomes an excuse to have police bothering him so soon after starting. Kerry himself was trying to cut off his prefacing remarks as soon as he mentioned the book. To me, this is by far the greater vulgarity.
bevewyvewyquiet 1 year ago
@bevewyvewyquiet "you can't go back..." yes you can.. he disrupted the forum while Kerry was answering what was supposed to be the last question of the day... That's disorderly